Comments on: UFN 18 Results: Kampmann Tops Condit; Bader, Griffin, and Miller Victorious http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/ UFC and MMA News Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:54:42 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 By: RJA http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/#comment-92386 RJA Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:05:29 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9819#comment-92386 Yea,fitch going the distance with GSP was maybe not the best way to argue his legitamacy as a top fighter.Going back to the original comment by marvelknight though i just don't think he's overated.I do respect his opinion though.I'm just bias.lol Yea,fitch going the distance with GSP was maybe not the best way to argue his legitamacy as a top fighter.Going back to the original comment by marvelknight though i just don’t think he’s overated.I do respect his opinion though.I’m just bias.lol

]]> By: Justin http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/#comment-92379 Justin Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:58:31 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9819#comment-92379 Yeah, mostly I threw that out there for the fun of it. The point though is that if you say Fitch is the second best at WW "at least untill(sic) someone can go the distance with gsp(sic)" you open yourself for that argument. I definitely think Fitch is better than Serra, and that Fitch is either the number 2 or 3 WW in the UFC. The problem with judging Serra, or Fitch against another opponent based on how they did against GSP is that GSP didn't take Serra 1 very seriously (plus he was having personal problems) and he didn't take Fitch very seriously either (so he has claimed). Obviously GSP made up for Serra 1 when he pwned him the second go round. We'll see about Fitch if they ever have a second go round. I think one of the problems some people have with Fitch is that he's on a 4 fight decision streak, and 5 of his last 8 fights went to a decision (both numbers including the decision loss to GSP). People tend to not like guys that get decisions all the time (see discussion of Lyoto Machida pre UFC 94). Yeah, mostly I threw that out there for the fun of it. The point though is that if you say Fitch is the second best at WW “at least untill(sic) someone can go the distance with gsp(sic)” you open yourself for that argument. I definitely think Fitch is better than Serra, and that Fitch is either the number 2 or 3 WW in the UFC. The problem with judging Serra, or Fitch against another opponent based on how they did against GSP is that GSP didn’t take Serra 1 very seriously (plus he was having personal problems) and he didn’t take Fitch very seriously either (so he has claimed). Obviously GSP made up for Serra 1 when he pwned him the second go round. We’ll see about Fitch if they ever have a second go round.

I think one of the problems some people have with Fitch is that he’s on a 4 fight decision streak, and 5 of his last 8 fights went to a decision (both numbers including the decision loss to GSP). People tend to not like guys that get decisions all the time (see discussion of Lyoto Machida pre UFC 94).

]]> By: RJA http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/#comment-92378 RJA Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:39:06 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9819#comment-92378 Justin, Good point.I guess i have a hard time taking that fight to seriously.But you could definatly make the argument that serra is better than fitch if your one of them people that like to argue just to argue.I think we all know that fitch is probally the better fighter though.I do believe your just throwing that out there for the fun of it though.either way fun topic. Justin,
Good point.I guess i have a hard time taking that fight to seriously.But you could definatly make the argument that serra is better than fitch if your one of them people that like to argue just to argue.I think we all know that fitch is probally the better fighter though.I do believe your just throwing that out there for the fun of it though.either way fun topic.

]]> By: fr702 http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/#comment-92371 fr702 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:55:05 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9819#comment-92371 Ok ok well look at my rankings ya what ;-) The road to the shot against The Greatness.... Fitch~ Larson, Burkman, Alves, Hironaka, Fioravanti, Carneiro, Sanchez, Wilson Alves~ Allessio, De Souza, Hironaka, Lytle, Karo, Hughes (Alves missed weight), Kos (Kos took the fight on 5days notice) Looks kinda like the road to the title shot imo, both are really good fighters thats why they are in the UFC bottom line IF Alves beats The Greatness then the rematch will happen... Ok ok well look at my rankings ya what ;-)

The road to the shot against The Greatness….

Fitch~ Larson, Burkman, Alves, Hironaka, Fioravanti, Carneiro, Sanchez, Wilson

Alves~ Allessio, De Souza, Hironaka, Lytle, Karo, Hughes (Alves missed weight), Kos (Kos took the fight on 5days notice)

Looks kinda like the road to the title shot imo, both are really good fighters thats why they are in the UFC bottom line IF Alves beats The Greatness then the rematch will happen…

]]> By: fr702 http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/#comment-92369 fr702 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:45:53 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9819#comment-92369 10th planet ftw :P Hey I go to events in California and our crowds or either really knowledgable or just drunken retards, yet when the drunks get removed (the usually do) the crowd always tends to get better, a perfect example is the crowd at Jens v Urijah I in Sacramento (Arco Arena), the fans were god awful but by the time Torres v Maeda fight was getting ready to start (walk outs) the riffraff got sorted out, then we could enjoy the hell out of the last two fights it became a really good enviroment, like an entirely different show.... Then there was a fight at a Local Casino (Indian {feather not dot} :-) the crowd was god awful the entire time, total 2nd or 3rd rate show filled with uneducated fans who were just having blood lust like a mother.. I hate crowds like that, but again thx for the write up 10th planet ftw :P

Hey I go to events in California and our crowds or either really knowledgable or just drunken retards, yet when the drunks get removed (the usually do) the crowd always tends to get better, a perfect example is the crowd at Jens v Urijah I in Sacramento (Arco Arena), the fans were god awful but by the time Torres v Maeda fight was getting ready to start (walk outs) the riffraff got sorted out, then we could enjoy the hell out of the last two fights it became a really good enviroment, like an entirely different show…. Then there was a fight at a Local Casino (Indian {feather not dot} :-) the crowd was god awful the entire time, total 2nd or 3rd rate show filled with uneducated fans who were just having blood lust like a mother.. I hate crowds like that, but again thx for the write up

]]> By: Dietrich http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/#comment-92368 Dietrich Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:28:11 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9819#comment-92368 @fr702, Your welcome. Looking back on it all I should have known the crowd was not that educated when they booed during the Almedia Horwitch fight. Horwitch wasn't stalling he used basic 10th planet technique to survive against a great BJJ player and it went completely over their head. If it wasn't Chuck or Randy or Brock they did not care...Anyway have a good weekend D @fr702,
Your welcome. Looking back on it all I should have known the crowd was not that educated when they booed during the Almedia Horwitch fight. Horwitch wasn’t stalling he used basic 10th planet technique to survive against a great BJJ player and it went completely over their head. If it wasn’t Chuck or Randy or Brock they did not care…Anyway have a good weekend
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]]> By: marvelknight4 http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/#comment-92362 marvelknight4 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:11:09 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9819#comment-92362 Also, most of the guys Fitch defeated to tie Gracie's record were not too good, they were not as experienced. In my opinion his first true test was when he fought St. Pierre. I know he beat Sanchez, and of course Sanchez is a really good and tough fighter, but that was just one top fighter. Like i said before, whe he beat Alvez, Alvez was still growing as a fighter and was kind of a rookie. I don't think he's the number 2 welterweight, I think Alvez is, and Alvez has the ttols to defeat GSP. Also, most of the guys Fitch defeated to tie Gracie’s record were not too good, they were not as experienced. In my opinion his first true test was when he fought St. Pierre. I know he beat Sanchez, and of course Sanchez is a really good and tough fighter, but that was just one top fighter. Like i said before, whe he beat Alvez, Alvez was still growing as a fighter and was kind of a rookie. I don’t think he’s the number 2 welterweight, I think Alvez is, and Alvez has the ttols to defeat GSP.

]]> By: fr702 http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/#comment-92361 fr702 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:48:36 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9819#comment-92361 Dietrich, thx for that my friend, pretty good write up forsure Dietrich, thx for that my friend, pretty good write up forsure

]]> By: marvelknight4 http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/#comment-92359 marvelknight4 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:59:37 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9819#comment-92359 Yeah Fitch tied Gracie, but he beat Alvez when Alvez wasn't the fighter he is today. Both Fitch and Alvez have become better fighters since then. I think if they fought again, Alvez would destroy Fitch. Fitch is good, but he honestly has not impressed me, he took a beating from GSP, only proves he can take a beating. I'm not saying Fitch sucks, i'm just saying he's overrated...And he is,but i respect your opinion RJA. Yeah Fitch tied Gracie, but he beat Alvez when Alvez wasn’t the fighter he is today. Both Fitch and Alvez have become better fighters since then. I think if they fought again, Alvez would destroy Fitch. Fitch is good, but he honestly has not impressed me, he took a beating from GSP, only proves he can take a beating. I’m not saying Fitch sucks, i’m just saying he’s overrated…And he is,but i respect your opinion RJA.

]]> By: Justin http://mmafrenzy.com/9819/ufn-18-results-kampmann-tops-condit-bader-griffin-and-miller-victorious/#comment-92352 Justin Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:57:58 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9819#comment-92352 Matt Serra beat GSP, does that make him better than John Fitch? Matt Serra beat GSP, does that make him better than John Fitch?

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