BJ Penn Calls For Harsh Penalties In Formal NSAC Complaint
The dead horse resumes its beating. It looks like BJ Penn’s camp has finally submitted their formal complaint to the Nevada State Athletic Commission regarding the alleged “greasing” of UFC 94 opponent Georges St. Pierre. The 20 page novella not only re-states Penn’s original grievance with St. Pierre’s corner lathering him up between rounds, but further alleges that GSP “ingested a substance that would cause his body to become highly and unnaturally slippery during the bout.” Now them’s fightin’ words, Beej.
But the most eye-catching part of Team Penn’s complaint is, as you might have guessed, in the punishment section. According to the report, it is requested that Georges St. Pierre, Phil Nurse and Greg Jackson among others have their licenses suspended along with a fine of (up to) $250,000. The complaint is also seeking to change Penn’s January TKO loss to GSP to a no-contest. Lastly, and this is the best part, it is recommended that Georges St. Pierre “undergo a pre-bout shower to make sure no substances exist on his body.”
Yea, I see that last one happening. Right after Dana White partners up with Don King to co-promote Joe Rogan vs. Wesley Snipes.
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Bj just over reacting. I wanted him to beat GSP but he lost. Get over it.
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I have always respected BJ as a fighter and trash talker, but this is getting redonkulous! Take the time you needed to be with your daughter and then focus on training for KenFlo. You got beat by GSP, let it go.
hahaha dude holy $hit! this is gayer then my home city of san francisco. I didn’t know penn’s ego was way too big to accept that st pierre beat his ass and owns him. This is redicolous
Are you kidding me???
I know there may have been some grease on GSP’s back and chest from the muscle relaxing exercises, but come one, did anyone else see the same fight as me? What difference would it have made if George had bathed in vaseline before the fight? GSP was dominating the standup and took BJ down and G&P’ed him senseless. As far as I am concerned George just proved to be the better evolved and better all around fighter that night, and now BJ is whining about it (some of his fans are probably whining about it too).
Eric, I get the tone of the post, but what are your thoughts on the fight and this whole grease-gate thing? Like I said, I think it’s BS, BJ should just go back to the LW division and dominate there for awhile. I think BJ is a great fighter, and could dominate in the LW div for a long time, I am just not interested in seeing GSP beat up Penn again.
I’ve said it all before so here is my abridged version: Yes, GSP’s corner was wrong. No, I don’t believe said “greasing” was responsible for St. Pierre’s victory. If any action is to be taken, it should be preventative measures against all fighters so that this sort of mess doesn’t ruin another fight. And no, I am not talking about standard pre-bout showers.
Crybaby Jane Penn is at it again huh. He’s just too embarrased about talking sooo much $hit before the fight and getting his a$$ kicked. He’s really the biggest pu$$y i’ve ever seen in MMA. A real man accepts when he loses. Come on! He wants GSP to take a shower before each fight? He wants their fight to be changed into a no contest? What a Bi*ch. GSP owns you BJ DEAL WITH IT!…..and Ken-Flo is coming for ya.
“ingested a substance that would cause his body to become highly and unnaturally slippery during the bout” if he cant name the substance then this should just be laughed out the only way this is any funnier is if penn asks to be allowed to observe the shower to make sure gsp gets all the soap off
THIS ISNT AS ONE SIDED AS U GUYS THINK.
i have read interviews with several other mma fighters who did mentioned the very same issue- GSP was just too greasy.
as dominating as he was, lets make sure it was 100 kosher.
at least give them a re match!
or- how about fighting in t-shirts to absorb the grease?
after all, part of the appeal of mma is its similarity to real street situations.
on the streets there is no rubbing of bare chests on each other!!!
I can’t recall the source, but GSP apparently offered a rematch to Penn and offered to fight in a rash guard.
Is this a joke? BJ.. lose with some dignity. Absolutely no class. GSP won. The greasing allegations were already addressed by the NSAC and they said that the minor amount of vasoline added, and the fact that it was vigorously wiped off could not alter the fight in any significant way. Suck it up BJ. I had respect for you before.. but its gone, just like your dignity.
This was to be expected. Like a court case, he’s going to ask for as much as possible to be done so that at least something happens. I’m pretty sure because of this GSP will be hanging out with the NSAC from the moment he wakes up, until he walks in the cage. I really hope that doesn’t mess with his mind the whole time.
I still don’t think this was intentionally done to cheat, and I still think BJ can’t except the loss. I’m not the least bit surprised on this update though.
I wonder what BJ is going to do when Ken-Flo takes his belt. He’s problably gonna cry in the Octogan and later make up some crazy $hit again. He wants to rub GSP down with soap before each fight, that’s what he really wants. If he would have accepted his loss and comeback like a true champ we would all respect him more as a fighter and a man.
I honestly think that GSP ended bj’s career. I mean after all this, bj still can’t get over it and probably never will. Does anyone honestly think that bj is going to be able to 100% focus on his title defense? He probably doesn’t even feel like a champ anymore or “the prodigy”. And when he loses to florian, YOU KNOW he isn’t going to be able to handle that either. GSP OVERED PENN.
Like Couture said when rampage kod lidell “He’s done!”
If KenFlo does win, Penn will probably take a long time off and focus on his daughter. As far as being 100% focused, I don’t know. Rampage was able to refocus after losing his mind with the Forrest fight and now is in-line for a title shot after surgery. If BJ is able to focus, defend his title, and retire as champ, he might be able to do so with some dignity from fans.
BJ Penn is an overrated ****. I have paid for virtually every ufc pay per-view event in the last three years. I will never again pay to watch BJ Penn fight. He got his ass beat by GSP before BJ quit between rounds. Who wants to pay to watch a main event fighter quit! What an embarrassment for all of those affiliated with BJ Penn and his camp.
BJ Penn and his camp are bi*ches. GSP is your daddy cryBabyJane. Dude i can’t wait to see Ken-flo take his belt. Whats he going to do after he loses his title? Nobody cares about BJ Penn anymore. “I only want to be the best ever, is that too much to ask” Dude your not even in the top 5 or maybe even 10 so it is too much to ask
there are two sides to every story. u might want to look up BJ’s website for his side of the story.
>BJ’s website
Yeah, because that will be totally unbiased, amirite?
We’ve seen Penn’s “side” to the story, he’s repeated it to everyone who would listen. NSAC didn’t buy it, most of us don’t buy it, and hopefully NSAC will again tell him to shove off.
He sounds like a complete whiny bi+ch now. I didn’t have a lot of respect for the man outside of his fighting skills to begin with, this is just making it even harder to not root for his ass to get beat to a pulp.
He’s not overrated. He was fighting a guy 15 pounds above his natural weight class. I know it dosn’t sound like a huge diffence but it is. When I wrestle guy who are like 10 pounds heavier it hard just to get up. So what can you expect is going to happen to a fighter fighting probley the 3rd best fighter in the world only besides Anderson Silva and Fedor. And Kenny isn’t going to become Champion. Bj showed amazing striking in the match against Sean Shark.All kenny does is gets them down a tries to ground and pound or get a submision. And i’ve never seen him Tapout. Plus all the guys he has lost to are champions.
you use the weight not necessarily as an excuse but what i’m unsure of, tell me how many of those guys fighting in the all the divisions besides heavyweight don’t cut. Anderson Silva cuts weight, Brock Lesnar cuts weight, Rashad Evans cuts weight, BJ PENN CUTS WEIGHT, so what really is the point behind using 15 pounds as a reason( one of the many I might add) for losing. I’m not just pro GSP for any reason other than he kicks ass, i’m a fan of mma in general and WAS a fan of BJS till he started up the bull****, he has shown the same character of a 7 year old kid who didn’t get his way at the playground, typical spoiled rich whiny brat all he is whooooooooooooo!
Wellfire, your missing the point.BJ DID NOT cut weight before the fight. He came in at 168, which means he didn’t gain any weight before the fight. GSP cuts to 170, then adds prolly around 10lbs after the fact. Meaning he tips the scales at around 180 to 185 come night of the fight. BJ still came in at 168, that’s a huge weight difference.
I find it funny that so many people log on just to rip BJ for giving an excuse. Yet rewind a few years ago and lets look at GSP/Serra 1. How many times have I read the “well Matt punched him behind the ear which is illegaly.” Trying to defend a clean loss that had no controversy. With no Then of course GSP humbly accepted the loss, only to turn around and say “well I had family issues, that’s why I lost”. But 90% of you are GSP homers or BJ Penn haters (or a mixture of both) so you guys easily forget when the shoe was on the other foot, GSP came out and whined just as much.
You also forget GSP DID get caught cheating by the commision, during the fight. The guys in red jacket saw Nurse apply vaseline to his face then rub GSP’s shoulders and back. So its not like BJ is making it up after the fight and there is no video proof.
Lets take this out of fighting. The little league world series had this kid Daniel almonte (sp?) he was striking kids out left n right. If I am a coach that discovered he was 3 years older than my kids and he cheated, is it being a sore loser if I report him for being older and cheating? I don’t believe so. If you were cheating that’s the risk you take.
I know imma get ripped for my opinion and blah blah blah. How I’m a loser who doesn’t know MMA or a BJ appologist. Whatever. Cause the word Fan is short for Fanatic and you can never have a reasonable debate with a fanatic. So bring on the hate, I could careless.
so what is it then, the weight or the lube that ****ed penn, or a combination of both, no need to hate on you, i’m just trying to see where your going with this. Nobody likes to lose, especially bj penn as we have all seen, how come he wouldn’t have them call the fight while this **** was going on, why would he wait till the fight was over and then start the tirade. These are the things that are causing penn the problems with the fans, if that fight would’ve been stopped because of the greasing and all the other allegations it would be different, but bj laid there and got beaten like a filthy hooker and we have what it is.
1st the 2nd reply was suppose to be a comment and not a response to anything. The phone I’m using for some reason reposted it as a reply. 2nd I was trying to help explain Quintin’s point about weight since you seem to think that BJ had to cut weight before the fight, he didn’t. And no I don’t think the weight really factored into it. BJ’s won that belt before and beat Hughes despite giving up around the same weight.along with losing a split desicion to GSP at this weight. Hell he’s fought Lyoto at 185 before, so weights not a factor IMO.
But being slippery does have an effect, especially with BJ since he loves to use the rubber guard to defend on the ground. Why was the fight not stopped? Idk. The commision clearly saw it and tried to have it removed. Their is a GIF on one of the previous threads of that. The reason they might have caught it this time is cause Rudy (BJ’s trainer) warned the commsion of this happening before the fight. But to say that its not a factor is a joke. GSP did all of his damage on the ground. I’ve watched every PPV in the last 3 years, I’ve never seen anyone slip out of guard as easily as GSP did. Add that to the fact that he was caught getting vaseline on him and you have some questions to answer for. I’m not saying GSP knew and I’m not even calling for a No Contest. I’m saying Phil Nurse should have his liscence put on probation for a year, cause he clearly broke the rules.
Hello aznstar, I am going to try to look at some of the points you made as objectively as I can (I am a GSP fan) without bashing you, and also provide some insight on the matter that is only my opinion as well.
First of all, you say there are similarities between this and GSP/Serra 1. I understand that there are rabid GSP fans to go with the rabid Penn fans, and there were people claiming the punch was illegal, and yada yada yada. I can’t speak for those people, but I will tell you that when I saw that fight, I was not one of those complainers…however, as I said, I am a fan of GSP and I believed that he was the better fighter in general (i.e. more well rounded and better all around skills in MMA then Serra), but that he did get caught and lost the fight, so therefore we have to say Serra was the better fighter that night. It doesn’t matter because GSP redeemed himself anyway in their second encounter in a convincing fashion. I understand GSP blamed the loss on outside factors at first, but it is well-documented that he definitely feels he simply lost that fight because Serra was better and he made a tactical mistake that night. He went through the anger/disbelief stage of a loss, and moved to the point where he accepted it, and learned and got better from it. Penn, on the other hand (and this is partly my opinion) has a history of believing he doesn’t lose fights, and I don’t think he ever gets to the point after a loss where he can accept it, and accept the fact that he got beaten. Even if he says that he does, he always manages to cling to some kind of excuse as to why he lost, other than his own lack of skills (just look at how he feels about GSP 1, Hughes 2, and now this). He never can let go and accept that he just lost a match. So no, I do not think GSP whines as much, and I do think that he is able to accept the fact that he can and has lost, and move on from there. BJ has a history of not being able to do that. His whining continues, whereas GSP’s is temporary if at all.
You also mention that ‘GSP DID get caught cheating…’ No he did not. That is an assumption. First off, in regards to the context of your statement, it was Nurse that got caught applying Vaseline, not GSP, do not mix the two. Secondly, cheating as a formal definition implies a deliberate violation of the rules. The deliberate, intentional violation of the rules has yet to be proven for Nurse, let alone GSP so do not call them cheaters when it is simply not the case (based on what we know now).
You also think it is unfair to Penn to call him a sore loser because he is trying to call out cheating. The reason I disagree with you here is because I (again, this is opinion) do not think that Penn is calling this out from the noble stance of trying to do away with ‘cheating,’ or ‘greasing,’ for the betterment of the sport. I think he is filing complaint because he is being a sore loser. Let me ask you, if BJ had won the fight, and all this controversy was still brought to light by the NSAC, do you think he still would have made these rampant greasing allegations, produce a ‘greasegate’ video with music and jingles on his site, and tried to ask the NSAC to punish GSP and his corner as severely as he is now? I do not. Once again, this is my opinion, and my opinion is partially influenced by the obnoxious way in which Penn is behaving and acting in response to his loss, and from what I know of Penn that I illustrated in the 2nd paragraph of this post. So again, no, I do not think Penn is calling out cheating for the sake of eliminating cheating, I think Penn is calling out GSP because he hurt his ego.
Lastly, you make a point that Vaseline had a tangible influence on the outcome of the fight. This post is already way too long, so instead of giving you the argument typed out, I would reccomend you check out GSP’s response to the greasing allegations, specifically you should look at John Danaher’s response to this point. Here’s a link to the entire 17 page response (Danaher’s comments are on the last 5 pages of the letter) http://mmapayout.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/gsp-nsac-response.pdf. In short, he makes a good argument concluding that Vaseline does not discriminate, and would be equally detrimental to different aspects of each fighter’s game. You also say that GSP did all his damage on the ground. Well, he did do most of his significant damage on the ground for sure, but you can’t argue that he did damage BJ on the feet as well, and won the standup aspect of the match as well where greasing would not have had an effect. You say that you’ve never seen BJ’s guard passed so easily. That does not mean we have to assume cheating on GSP’s part. GSP is also a beast of an athlete and mixed martial artist, and his top control has been amazing in every single fight he has been in. His guard passing skills are among his most highly touted aspects as well. So I do not think the fact that he was able to pass Penn’s guard is a good argument for cheating. Sorry, crazier things have happened in this world. Crazier things have happened in MMA in general. Again, Danaher touches on this point as well, and I’d reccomend you to give that section in the response a read as well.
Sorry for the obnoxiously long post.
Amen Brother!
marvelknight4 I couldnt agree more. this is seriously stupid. I cant think of another word for this new bs. he claims gsp ingested a tablet or something that made him slippery. that is a new low. and bubba, bj would only be happy if he himself gave gsp a shower before the fight, then when gsp wins bj will say someone swapped the soap with a different one that was made with vaseline. let it go bj. ken-flo is gonna destroy you. I cant wait to hear the allegations on why he lost that fight. unreal bj, I cant believe him and his camp came up with that crap. I bet gsp is just laughing his ass off right now or whenever he heard this.
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Seriously dude, that’s wishfull thinking like hell. BJ is never going to retire as a champ unless he retires now and again ducks kenflo.
IMO GSP ended his career, or atleast helped. It looks like bj needs no help tarnishing his reputation and giving up his dignity not only as a fighter but as a man.
Oh I know, that’s why I used the word If..
WOW, this is crazy. I can understand asking, maybe demanding a rematch, but pre fight shower? GSP getting suspended? Makes no sense to me. Perhaps he feels his priviledged Hilo lifestyle needs to follow him around everywhere he blesses with his presence.
nothing is gonna happen bj is just whinning because hes not used to losing so i hope kenflo takes his belt in the first round. i wonder what he’ll say about kenflo beating him.
What top contender has Florian bet. Joe Stevenson he’s lost 3/4 last fights. Plus kenny only made it to the finals of the Ultimate Fighter is because he cut Chris’s eyebrow so the doctors stoped it. And when he did fight a top contender like Sean sherk he lost a decision 50-45 and 49-46. Sherk didn’t even make it 3 rounds with BJ penn.
We also don’t allow personal attacks.
…..I said it before the fight…Camp Penn is to cocky! Look at Kendall Grove….what a piece of sh*t….did you hear his comments after he won…Not a class act at all. The show leading up to the GSP Penn fight showed it..They act like bunch of high school bullies..and when they get beat up they dissapear for a year. Let it go…you may have already lost too much and I’m not talking aboput the fight!
its funny everyone was talking **** along with what BJ said befor the fight, now that GSP beat the crap out of him everyone has changed sides. stay loyal to your fighter people.
BJ has a point 4 a rematch , but does he really think he can come in out of shape again and still beat GSP… he’s crazy… he would be better off if he got off his lazy ass and trained his body … as much as he trains his skills come in at around 160-165 muscle and cardio instead of getting himself up to 169 fat and out of shape. BJ’s remarks are stupid if he had came to that fight in the best shape of this life and GSP was all “greased up” I’d be pissed because the grease would have stolen a fair and great showing from two of the best. But when I saw the shape he was in at the weight ins I didn’t even buy the Card {just watched the fights after on the internet} because I knew he was back to his old ways “all talent no train”.
Get your legal action on kid…..
what up Fr
Man you crazy funny.
I think Bj and his camp, are doing all this and going soo far overboard just to get the nsac to do anything, even if its a minor punishment to GSP.
The skeeky wheel gets the oil.
If they complain and go overboard with this then maybe NSAC will punish him some kind of way just to get BJ to shut up and leave them alone.
So that way BJ and his camp will be able to say SEE YOU GUYS we were justified in losing to GSP. So it will be a ? mark by that GSP’s win, and they can save face for losing.
UNTIL Ken/Flo beats him.
after kenflo beats him i wonder what the crybaby will have to complain about then
I want to step in and say, lets not turn this into the bash BJ thread.
Should of known that would happen anyway my man. I don’t want to comment on this because I would get into one of those rants again and just bash BJ Penn back to Hilo.
The most that will happen here is Phil Nurse and maybe Greg Jackson will get a fine, maybe Nurse gets a little suspension but that’s about it. A NC, dream on BJ. GSP suspended, keep right on dreaming…
The problem with BJ is, his legacy is forver tarnished thanks to this fight with GSP. He went in, being seen as one of the best pd for pd fighters of all time, ready to avenge a controversial loss and came out, getting smashed, having never been in the fight. Nobody will ever put him in a GSP’s class ever again. So he is trying desperately to get some kind of excuse, for why he was beat so bad. Over the years, he will sing the same tune about this fight. “GSP greesed, it was a big reason why i lost” Penn can’t take defeat like a man, his actions have proved it since UFC 94..
The problem with this whole argument is intentionality – in other words, how is B.J. Penn going to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was intentionality on GSP’s part to grease? I don’t think any of the footage at the fight is really enough to prove intentionality on either GSP or even Nurse’s part. To me, the heaviest accusation Penn is making is calling all of this an orchestrated, preconceived scheme. No way in hell he is going to be able to prove that based at least on what we the people know.
Beyond that, his whole argument is filled with holes. Non-cited, anonymous fighters tipping him off to greasing???…it’s all hearsay. Even some of the people who originally came out implying or saying GSP greased have since revised their statements, or have completely denied ever saying anything (Kenflo). Even Hughes recently reiterated, ‘I’m not saying GSP greased.’ Even if he does say that GSP felt greasier than just sweat, and somehow could prove this after the fact, the whole argument on the ease of transference of Vaseline completely debunks it anyway. In other words, even if Hughes or anyone thought they felt Vaseline on GSP in a fight, that is easily explained by it getting from their face to literally any other given part of their body. Penn frickin’ slaps his hands on his Vaseline covered face before every fight for chrissake. Anyway, you can check out Sherk and Hughes’ thoughts on the whole incident on mmafightaction.com, there’s a new interview with them.
Also, accusing GSP of ingesting a substance to make him more slippery….what???? uhm, proof???? How can you just make wild claims like that? A pre-fight shower??? Really…is this a joke?? Does Penn’s camp really take themselves seriously saying that??
Like I said, the weakest and most horrendous part of Penn’s argument is trying to insinuate intentionality…that is egregious simply because he CAN’T PROVE IT. Same with this substance being ingested before hand…PROVE IT. YOU CAN’T. I mean I would almost go so far to say that GSP almost has grounds to get Penn on libel or false accusation. I’m not saying I would want to because I kind of just want to see an end to this, but at the same time, I think it would be pretty hilarious if I read a headline on this site about it tomorrow.
I agree with Onlytrue1. Penn is making this wild accusations just so he can get SOMETHING and then fall back on that as his excuse for getting dominated, and say, ‘I told you so.’ That is the most aggravating part of this because they might be able to get Nurse on doing the thing unintentionally. Although I would like to share a quick link that has a link to a gif of Hughes unintentionally getting ‘greased,’ and a video of Franklin getting rubbed down in a fight http://www.yardbarker.com/mma/articles/Before_Passing_Judgement_on_GSPTake_a_Look_at_This/529880
After watching that, it really made me realize how completely blown out of proportion, this whole greasegate thing is…I’m sure those incidents aren’t the only ones of mistakes like that being made.
damn dude the one one of Hughes is equivalent to the gsp incident the franklin one was way over the top although if im not mistaken that was under a different commission and potentially different rules and i don’t have time to look them up now
The Hughes gif IMO is too short and doesn’t give enough context. Though it does look somewhat indicting, that looks much more unintentional then the rub down that GSP received.
In regards to the Franklin video, there is nothing in that video that indicates there was Vaseline on that guys hand, it only shows Rich getting rubbed… if there was nothing on the guys hand when he rubbed Rich down, who cares?
there is a glob on the shoulder when they guy is done that isn’t there before so something got rubbed on
Good call, I missed that, I stand corrected. Now, the next issue though is that just because they didn’t get caught then, doesn’t mean that something shouldn’t be done now.
“The problem with this whole argument is intentionality – in other words, how is B.J. Penn going to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was intentionality on GSP’s part to grease?”
have you ever seen people do something wrong/illegal but make it look like they were just acting natural….then when caught they make excuses about it being accidental, etc? Oh, i didnt see that stop sign officer, etc. You cant prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Nurse greased GSP on purpose, and you cant prove that the guy in my example DID see the stop sign…but both result in a breakage of rules in which there must be penalty. am i wrong about this?!?
just like you could look at the guy’s traffic ticket history to find his driving habits, you could look at what other fighters say about GSP being greasy. you’ll never be able to prove 100% but seriously, it is a little strange that multiple people who don’t stand to gain anything from it have made claims. Maybe GSP is just a natrually greasy guy?
Looking at a guy’s traffic history is completely different from asking other fighters about whether or not someone greases up. It would be more like asking your ex-gf if you’re piss-poor driver, you’re dealing with someone else’s opinions, NOT facts.
I think it is a little bit different. The reason being that if they can prove that GSP intentionally cheated with a preconceived scheme, it is 1) most definitely going to result in a more severe punishment, rather than not proving it, and only handing out perhaps a slap on the wrist and increasing athletic committee awareness about sloppy application of vaseline to fighters in general and, 2) GSP’s name will be in the gutter if intentionality is proved rather than if it is just viewed as a case of unintentional human error.
Now, the analogy with the stop sign doesn’t really hold because the punishment for it is the same if you intentionally roll through one or not…you’re still going to get the same ticket. I would use the example between manslaughter and murder. Manslaughter is unintentional, and while there is a penalty for it, it is not as severe as a murder charge…although technically you could have the same act ending in the same result. Also, even in murder cases, a big sticking point on determining sentences is to look if the murder was preconceived, or if it was a crime of passion.
In reference to your traffic ticket vs. other fighter’s statements, I agree with sjava. Your traffic violation history is fact vs. other fighter’s statements being speculation and hearsay since there is no proof. Also, it is just weak anyhow, because Penn is referencing them as anonymous fighters probably because there is inconsistency in the argument: fighters who came out saying something initially have revised their statements to say that they don’t think GSP was greasing during their fights, or in the case of Ken Flo, there is a flat out denial of ever saying anything. Also, it is inconsistent because you have respectable fighters like Fitch and Kos who are both on record saying that they never felt GSP to be greasy. The whole argument is just inconsistent because you have guys like Hughes who claims GSP felt ‘greasy’ during their last two fights. Are you saying GSP selectively cheats? It’s convenient that he only supposedly greased against Hughes in the last two fights (the ones that Hughes lost)…if he’s been greasing since Miller, why does he choose when to cheat if he’s been so successful at getting away with it until now? Why wouldn’t he have greased during the Fitch and Koscheck fights if he was getting away with it? It’s just inconsistencies like these that make fighter opinion and speculation very weak.
I read about half the comments so sorry if i sound repetitious,but what a fn joke.Get over it bj you got wooped.Does he have any idea how pathetic these accusations sound.Injested a substance to make his body slippery.that just sounds ridiculous.I have officially lost all respect for bj and his yes men.I’m just glad greg jackson is taking the high road and not getting into a war of words with bj’s camp.
One more thing if the shoe were on the other foot and bj hypothetically was latherd up in vasaline,would the outcome have been different?I really don’t think so.Maybe if it were on his legs because of the take downs.But the back?Bj only has his cardio and lack of pushy training partners to blame.Maybe he’ll think twice before going on a vacation in the middle of training.
man this dude is the biggest sore loser in the history of mma gsp wouldve beat him down no matter what!!!!!!!!!
*IF* BJ Penn’s camp did forewarn the commission about some kind of greasing and to pay attention to any kind of grease rubdowns, then the commission is at fault because they did none of that. An observer (Chuck Liddell) had to inform them about it..
Still sucky that this is even an issue. If I was GSP i’d want to fight him again just to shut it up. Tainted wins blow, even if they are incorrect.
Chuck Liddell noticed but so did other commission members. If you go back and read what Keith Kizer said about the situation you will see that one of the other officials alerted him, then he went into the Octagon to try to do something about it.
aww well most of us know at least IMO grease or not gsp dominated penn…..bj should be fined for even making suck stupid claims(take a shower before every fight)…ha! i hope maynard or florian make bj quit again
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Eric, i do appreciate a well written response that leaves all the name calling aside. well done.
In regard to BJ not accepting his previous losses. I disagree, he came to terms with the Hughes loss. he was injured during the fight, but he never brings that up. people all believe he gassed in that fight, but what really happened was he tore rib cartilage at the end of the 2nd round. But youve never heard BJ use that as an excuse. As far as his losses to Pulver and GSP 1, they were both very close. Pulver he had tapped but the bell sounded which was hard for BJ to swallow (and a loss he would eventually avenge) GSP was split decision and many felt (including myself) that he won that fight (which is also the reason he pushed so hard for the rematch) and thats why till this day i HATE wrestlers who lay n pray. you should not be awarded points for trips that you do nothing with.
as far as the “cheating” what you are talking about is more of a gray area, cause you dont know that Phil Nurse or GSP did that with the intention to cheat. but to be fair we will say rule violation from now on.
in regards to being a sore loser, is it as talked about if BJ wins? no, but that doesnt change the simple fact that a major rule was broken. so if you had lost a match and the guy who won was caught for rule violations, you wouldnt want a no contest? i dont consider that being a sore loser. if you broke a rule (even if it helped you or not, cause thats not the point of this) to win a game/fight, you shouldnt have the right to complain about a rule violation that was caught not only on tape but also by the athletic commission? is that really that unrealistic to feel that way?
on to the documents which GSP camp submitted to the NVSAC, what did you expect it to say? Vaseline does help escape rubber guard? of course it was all accidental and in no way their fault. we can argue over its effect of a BJJ match, but the simple point is its against the NVSAC rules. you wanna get the rule over turned get a letter writing campaign going, but till that day it is one of the rules that govern MMA and that rule was broken.
didn’t hear Randy Couture whine about getting beat up by juiced Josh Barnett
ummm could that be cause Barnett was stripped of his title after he tested positive and Randy got a title shot at the vacant belt, thus he had no need to complain?
You have made some good points aznstar, though I would still like to take a look at some of them.
We are probably going to end up agreeing to disagree about Penn’s acceptance of loss. I am aware that Penn sustained a rib injury in the second Hughes fight. I think there are interviews of Penn stating that he lost, ‘but had a rib injury.’ So to me, he is making the excuse in a very passive way. He’s saying he accepts that Hughes beat him, but he always makes sure to qualify it with the fact that he had a rib injury, and had reduced mobility in his core/trouble breathing, etc. If he really had accepted the loss, he wouldn’t mention it at all. It’s like a fighter saying he lost because he had a broken nose and couldn’t breathe well. The bottom line is that these injuries are going to happen because you are in a fight. If you get injured and get beat, you get beat. It’s the same as not getting injured and getting beat (provided you didn’t get injured in an illegal way). I think it is clear from the primetime episodes that Penn doesn’t think he lost the first GSP fight. Listen, it was a close decision, but in the end, GSP won. He needs to accept that. Hamill/Bisping was a close decision that many people thought was judged incorrectly, but Hamill has definitely accepted it as a loss. There are many examples of fighters not always agreeing with the judges, but in the end they are able to accept defeat and move on. I don’t think from what I’ve seen in interviews that Penn feels that way. Maybe you disagree, which is fine.
As long as we both agree that from what the public knows, there was no cheating going on, then I don’t mind saying that Nurse probably did commit an unintentional rule violation.
Wanting a loss to be ruled as a no contest because of a rule violation? It depends on the context. If the rule violation was intentional, and then if it directly effected the outcome of the match, then you might have grounds for wanting it to be ruled a no contest. In the context of this fight, if I were Penn, no I would not want a no contest because there is no evidence proving intentionality and there is a debate as to whether some minuscule amount of Vaseline that may or may not have been on GSP’s back that may or may not have been wiped off could have cost him the fight. There are rule violations all the time like low blow’s, blows to the back of the head, eye pokes, etc. When a fighter loses after being a victim of those rule violations, should he file for a no contest? After all, one could definitely argue that those things can take a toll on a fighters ability to continue, depth perception, vitality, etc. The answer is no. Even though these things happen, just because there is a rule violation in a fight, it does not mean the fight automatically becomes a no contest. If those rule violations are considered to be INTENTIONAL, then there is an argument. Penn has made the accusation that GSP and his corner committed an intentional rule infraction, but he has NO HARD PROOF. Unless if he is hiding some sort of ace in the hole, then he will never be able to prove intentionality. So yes, I would say someone has the right to complain about a rule violation to the effect of getting an outcome ruled a no contest only if there is proof of malicious intent of the rule violation. The reason Penn comes off as a sore loser is because he has asked for SEVERE consequences (besides just asking for a simple no contest) for GSP and all his corner men and has implied that they all conspired against him with NO PROOF. He is simply flinging around wild accusations, which is an act in itself illegal. So Penn better watch it.
In regards to your last paragraph, you’re right – we could go on and on about the effects of Vaseline on a BJJ match. So we won’t. I simply believe Danaher’s argument on the matter is a sound one, and that’s that. You’re right though, a rule was most likely broken, and that should be handled…I do not believe it is anywhere near the realm of ruling the bout a no contest, or punishing GSP in any way. The NSAC will have to assess the evidence and the claims of both parties and determine the severity of the infraction committed. The most I could see is a fine or a small suspension to Nurse. Anything beyond that would be ridiculous imo.
i would like to say that i never agreed with changing the outcome (if they didnt change the Rumble/Burns eyepoke lose, they wont change this) i do feel that Nurse should know the rules and thus by violating them should be suspended for x amount of time. personally i would like to see his license be revoked for a year, to set a president for these violations in the future.
as for what you would do if you were in BJ’s position, you also need to recognize that Rudy told the commission to watch out for potential greasing before the fight (which could also be a reason they were caught). so with that said if the NSAC says we caught the infraction after you had warned them about it and (in your opinion) your opponent felt greasy, wouldnt that be enough cause to file a formal complaint?
“ingested a substance that would cause his body to become highly and unnaturally slippery during the bout.” that is the line that should get bj slapped by the commission it is libel and i hope he is sued over this allegation so he can have his day to present proof of what ingested that means eaten or drank substance gsp took
BJ is done, and i could not be happier, this kind of lame ass overreaction is making him look like he has a screw loose. It does not reflect well upon the UFC when this clown is supposed to represent the organization and after a sound beating all he can do is try to blame everyone else including the UFC and athletic commisson rules.
He is so self righteous, it is to the point of delusion.
Arrogance gets you nowhere, at some point you have to accept a loss and look at how to improve, like every other MMA fighter does. I have never heard a so called professional athlete with so many excuses and reasons why he lost, NONE of them pointed at him self, i used to like the guy, now i feel he has been exposed as the real person he is.
Florian by KO!
OMG Rogan vs. Snipes I have waited for this…. W000
BTW in the rules it says that nay greased applied to the body is to be removed by NSAC officials. If you watch the fight again the big morons standing in the maroon suits are NSAC.
So with two guys from NSAC standing right beside him (pretty much at all times) and doing nothing if there was something going on.. the blame is on the NSAC guys whos ****ING JOBS IT IS TO MAKE SURE BULL**** LIKE THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN.
So let’s say between round 1 and 2 a little vas was on jacksons hands, or whatever. His preforming the rub technique is not illegal even with vas on his hands as NSAC is supposed to be there and watching (if you look at those retards they are clearly not paying any attention to GSP, WTF are they getting paid for who knows) to remove any vas, etc accidentally applied (or not).
So IMO.. the guys who should be punished (if even) for the small mishap between rounds 1 and 2 are NSAC – because it was their job to be on the lookout for it in the first place, it was their ball to drop, and they dropped it.
the Vasaline wasn’t on Jackson’s hands, Jackson didn’t put the vasaline on GSP, Phil Nurse did I believe… And blame shouldn’t be passed around here and there just to make things better for The Greatness, shhhit happens and that’s the way it is…. Did GSP intentionally cheat well his camp made some mistakes and it’s on video and things happen