Comments on: Anthony Johnson vs. John Howard in Negotiations For TUF 9 Finale http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/ UFC and MMA News Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:29:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 By: Justin http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/#comment-88104 Justin Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:51:25 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9520#comment-88104 Jardine could beat Rampage, sure, but no he doesn't get a title shot, he's not consistent enough. I also heavily doubt he will KO Rampage. I think Silva could do quite well against some of the top 205ers, most of them like to stand and trade, where 185 is a division with a lot of good ground fighters (Maia, Leites, Marquardt, Hendo, Okami) which is the weakest of Silva's skills, but I wouldn't call it a weakness. As far as their not being anyone left at 170 for GSP, if he gets past Alves, Fitch will be better, Swick and Saunders are coming up, Rumble is growing by leaps and bounds, Hardy/Davis are both quality fighters. Conditt and Kampann are both decent fighters as well, plus Kos will get back on track, and eventually Diego will come back up. There's plenty of people getting in line for a chance at that belt. Jardine could beat Rampage, sure, but no he doesn’t get a title shot, he’s not consistent enough. I also heavily doubt he will KO Rampage. I think Silva could do quite well against some of the top 205ers, most of them like to stand and trade, where 185 is a division with a lot of good ground fighters (Maia, Leites, Marquardt, Hendo, Okami) which is the weakest of Silva’s skills, but I wouldn’t call it a weakness.

As far as their not being anyone left at 170 for GSP, if he gets past Alves, Fitch will be better, Swick and Saunders are coming up, Rumble is growing by leaps and bounds, Hardy/Davis are both quality fighters. Conditt and Kampann are both decent fighters as well, plus Kos will get back on track, and eventually Diego will come back up. There’s plenty of people getting in line for a chance at that belt.

]]> By: Justin http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/#comment-88100 Justin Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:38:36 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9520#comment-88100 I agree about the double standard, and GSP not being able to handle Silva, I actually have high expectations for Alves against him. I could be way off target, but Alves has a really good chance at a KO victory, IMO. I agree about the double standard, and GSP not being able to handle Silva, I actually have high expectations for Alves against him. I could be way off target, but Alves has a really good chance at a KO victory, IMO.

]]> By: bigchris2328 http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/#comment-88099 bigchris2328 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:38:15 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9520#comment-88099 I understand the double standard you mentioned aznstar, and to answer that: a lot of people do not like bj because of his attitude and work ethic. I also agree with the fact that alves will be the bigger fighter come ufc 100 with gsp however gsp is more well rounded. as far as my superfight I know it is a long shot for gsp to beat silva however I would love for it to happen. gsp going up to 185 will be the same as bj's move and people will dog him if and when the fight happens. there really isnt anyone left for gsp at 170 assuming he gets by alves. he has beaten everyone in that division as far as the big names. I would like to see gsp and rumble only a couple of years from now. same thing for silva outside of maia, there is no legit contender at 185. silva has beat them all. silva defintely wont face the top 5 at 205. its too dangerous for him and his "legacy" i.e. rashad, machida, rampage, forrest, jardine, shogun. silva would lose at least half of those six. I really mentioned the gsp vs. spider match for the reason of solving the mythical pound for pound title. say gsp and spider fight and spider wins, the only other guy left on that p4p title would be fedor... would fedor and spider fight??? that would be bad-ass. or say gsp beats spider, gsp wont fight a guy that is 60-80 pounds heavier than him in fedor. so then who would be p4p champ??? according to multiple magazines, the top 3 in p4p are spider, gsp, and fedor. another interesting thought. so far the co main event for ufc 100 is rashad vs. rampage or machida. what if jardine ko's rampage? jardine wont be considered for a title shot? jardine is a very underrated fighter. im sure some are laughing that I even said he might ko rampage... think about this... jardine ko'd forrest and forrest beat rampage. rampage lost to shogun and forrest beat shogun. connect the dots guys!!! jp I hope rampage loses to jardine so machida could get his shot at evans, and beat evans. I do not like "sugar" I think he is too cocky and arrogant and I despise that in peeps. yes evans has backed up his arrogance but I doubt he will against machida. imagine alves beating gsp, and machida beating evans. that would mean that brazilans would own 3 of the 5 belts in the ufc. establishing bjj as the dominant fighting background. food for thought. I understand the double standard you mentioned aznstar, and to answer that: a lot of people do not like bj because of his attitude and work ethic. I also agree with the fact that alves will be the bigger fighter come ufc 100 with gsp however gsp is more well rounded. as far as my superfight I know it is a long shot for gsp to beat silva however I would love for it to happen. gsp going up to 185 will be the same as bj’s move and people will dog him if and when the fight happens.
there really isnt anyone left for gsp at 170 assuming he gets by alves. he has beaten everyone in that division as far as the big names. I would like to see gsp and rumble only a couple of years from now. same thing for silva outside of maia, there is no legit contender at 185. silva has beat them all. silva defintely wont face the top 5 at 205. its too dangerous for him and his “legacy” i.e. rashad, machida, rampage, forrest, jardine, shogun. silva would lose at least half of those six.
I really mentioned the gsp vs. spider match for the reason of solving the mythical pound for pound title. say gsp and spider fight and spider wins, the only other guy left on that p4p title would be fedor… would fedor and spider fight??? that would be bad-ass. or say gsp beats spider, gsp wont fight a guy that is 60-80 pounds heavier than him in fedor. so then who would be p4p champ??? according to multiple magazines, the top 3 in p4p are spider, gsp, and fedor.
another interesting thought. so far the co main event for ufc 100 is rashad vs. rampage or machida. what if jardine ko’s rampage? jardine wont be considered for a title shot? jardine is a very underrated fighter. im sure some are laughing that I even said he might ko rampage… think about this… jardine ko’d forrest and forrest beat rampage. rampage lost to shogun and forrest beat shogun. connect the dots guys!!! jp I hope rampage loses to jardine so machida could get his shot at evans, and beat evans. I do not like “sugar” I think he is too cocky and arrogant and I despise that in peeps. yes evans has backed up his arrogance but I doubt he will against machida.
imagine alves beating gsp, and machida beating evans. that would mean that brazilans would own 3 of the 5 belts in the ufc. establishing bjj as the dominant fighting background. food for thought.

]]> By: fr702 http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/#comment-88092 fr702 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:34:37 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9520#comment-88092 anzstar, *sidenote*~~~~ I completely agree with you, hell a guy that has never fought at 185 (UFC) is going to get a title shot my goodness, damn double standards.... I'm a fan of both The Greatness and BJ Penn I just hate the double standards that specific fans have, its quite juvinielle imo anzstar,

*sidenote*~~~~ I completely agree with you, hell a guy that has never fought at 185 (UFC) is going to get a title shot my goodness, damn double standards…. I’m a fan of both The Greatness and BJ Penn I just hate the double standards that specific fans have, its quite juvinielle imo

]]> By: aznstar_inc http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/#comment-88088 aznstar_inc Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:15:03 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9520#comment-88088 I love Demian, he is sick and jumped up as one of my favorite fighters watch. but he needs to face Nate and prove that he can handle a striker, plus Nate has made a solid case maybe he should be in that mix. As for Silva Vs. GSP its not even in question that the Spider would own GSP. GSP is a huge welterweight but Anderson is a Huge Middle wight, GSP will give up 4 inches in height, giving up a huge reach advantage, and come fight time will be 30lbs lighter. Anderson is possible the greatest striker ever in MMA and I still question GSP chin (which is why I think Alves is a huge threat and all the GSP fans are looking way past him) Plus GSP likes to be a bully, use his size to hold people down and push people around. He will not impose his will against a man that is bigger (which is another reason i like Thiago cause he will be the bigger man in that fight), its hard to GnP someone with the length Anderson has and the BJJ skills to back it up. So the Spider via KO in the 1st. But as for the "ifs" 1st "if" GSP wants the fight, he stated he would want 6 months to prep for it (thats a long time to have 2 belts on hold.) 2nd "if" GSP wins he would have to defend both (thats what was to happen had BJ won that fight) or he would vacate one if he felt he didnt want to defend both. on a side note i love the GSP fans talking about this fight happening, yet when BJ/GSP was being discussed everyone was freaking out about how BJ didnt deserve a title shot and this n that. Well GSP would fight in a weight hes never fought in and all of a sudden he leap frogs everyone in that division, wheres the outrage now? Atleast BJ fought and was the Champ at Welterweight and loss a close SD to GSP, to set up to the fight. (BigChris this statement isnt aimed at you just a thought as we discuss the possible fight) I love Demian, he is sick and jumped up as one of my favorite fighters watch. but he needs to face Nate and prove that he can handle a striker, plus Nate has made a solid case maybe he should be in that mix. As for Silva Vs. GSP its not even in question that the Spider would own GSP. GSP is a huge welterweight but Anderson is a Huge Middle wight, GSP will give up 4 inches in height, giving up a huge reach advantage, and come fight time will be 30lbs lighter. Anderson is possible the greatest striker ever in MMA and I still question GSP chin (which is why I think Alves is a huge threat and all the GSP fans are looking way past him) Plus GSP likes to be a bully, use his size to hold people down and push people around. He will not impose his will against a man that is bigger (which is another reason i like Thiago cause he will be the bigger man in that fight), its hard to GnP someone with the length Anderson has and the BJJ skills to back it up. So the Spider via KO in the 1st.

But as for the “ifs” 1st “if” GSP wants the fight, he stated he would want 6 months to prep for it (thats a long time to have 2 belts on hold.) 2nd “if” GSP wins he would have to defend both (thats what was to happen had BJ won that fight) or he would vacate one if he felt he didnt want to defend both.

on a side note i love the GSP fans talking about this fight happening, yet when BJ/GSP was being discussed everyone was freaking out about how BJ didnt deserve a title shot and this n that. Well GSP would fight in a weight hes never fought in and all of a sudden he leap frogs everyone in that division, wheres the outrage now? Atleast BJ fought and was the Champ at Welterweight and loss a close SD to GSP, to set up to the fight. (BigChris this statement isnt aimed at you just a thought as we discuss the possible fight)

]]> By: bigchris2328 http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/#comment-88082 bigchris2328 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:40:18 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9520#comment-88082 To clear things up, I didnt mean to say that hardy is a step up from rumble. if anything rumble is a higher caliber talent then rumble. I started thinking about a match between hardy and rumble and got ahead of myself. As far as the GSP destroying the spider comment, I stand by it. Yes GSP has to get by Alves, and I believe he will because he is more well rounded than Alves in all the categories except striking and ko power. If GSP does and the spider gets by Leites then hopefully this superfight will happen by december. I dont see it happening for a few reasons. 1.) Maia should get a title shot at 185, he seems like the dominant contender in that division. yes I realize he hasnt defeated the guys who have had title shots recently, however Maia's bjj is sick and the best in that division, possibly the world. 2.) Silva's handlers are afraid to put him up against a tough opponent and rush will be the toughest opponent for the spider and vice versa. 3.) what will dana white do if GSP were to win? would he force GSP to fight at 185 and 170? give up the 170 title and stay at 185, give up the 185 title and stay at 170 thus creating a tournament for either title. GSP has all the tools to beat the spider, the only disadvantage for him is the reach and height advantage. I think if GSP were to think him down he could GnP him and deliver those insane knees to the spider's body. I am sure I will cause a heated argument for this but I stand by my points for GSP beating the spider. To clear things up, I didnt mean to say that hardy is a step up from rumble. if anything rumble is a higher caliber talent then rumble. I started thinking about a match between hardy and rumble and got ahead of myself.
As far as the GSP destroying the spider comment, I stand by it. Yes GSP has to get by Alves, and I believe he will because he is more well rounded than Alves in all the categories except striking and ko power. If GSP does and the spider gets by Leites then hopefully this superfight will happen by december. I dont see it happening for a few reasons.
1.) Maia should get a title shot at 185, he seems like the dominant contender in that division. yes I realize he hasnt defeated the guys who have had title shots recently, however Maia’s bjj is sick and the best in that division, possibly the world. 2.) Silva’s handlers are afraid to put him up against a tough opponent and rush will be the toughest opponent for the spider and vice versa. 3.) what will dana white do if GSP were to win? would he force GSP to fight at 185 and 170? give up the 170 title and stay at 185, give up the 185 title and stay at 170 thus creating a tournament for either title.
GSP has all the tools to beat the spider, the only disadvantage for him is the reach and height advantage. I think if GSP were to think him down he could GnP him and deliver those insane knees to the spider’s body. I am sure I will cause a heated argument for this but I stand by my points for GSP beating the spider.

]]> By: fr702 http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/#comment-88075 fr702 Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:40:42 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9520#comment-88075 Here is a quick glance at something Dan Hardy 21~6~0 (1nc) Notable wins~ Markham,Gono Notable losses~ Pat Healy, David Baron (2x), Yoshiyuki Yoshida (NC)~ Diego Gonzalez A.J. 7~2~0 Notable wins~ Tommy Speer,Kevin Burns, Luigi Fioravanti Notable losses~ Kevin Burns, Rich Clementi *note* Hardy has a lot wins over guys that are just simply unheard of (atleast to me) mostly european gents so imo it is hard to gauge where he exactly is in the division tho he has a hell of a ko over a tough guy and a decision victory over Gono, hell perhaps I will do some indepth reaserch on him.. I wouldn't mind seeing these two fight tho.. I would give the edge to AJ at the moment but that is just my opionion Here is a quick glance at something

Dan Hardy 21~6~0 (1nc)
Notable wins~ Markham,Gono
Notable losses~ Pat Healy, David Baron (2x), Yoshiyuki Yoshida
(NC)~ Diego Gonzalez

A.J. 7~2~0

Notable wins~ Tommy Speer,Kevin Burns, Luigi Fioravanti
Notable losses~ Kevin Burns, Rich Clementi

*note*
Hardy has a lot wins over guys that are just simply unheard of (atleast to me) mostly european gents so imo it is hard to gauge where he exactly is in the division tho he has a hell of a ko over a tough guy and a decision victory over Gono, hell perhaps I will do some indepth reaserch on him.. I wouldn’t mind seeing these two fight tho.. I would give the edge to AJ at the moment but that is just my opionion

]]> By: fr702 http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/#comment-88072 fr702 Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:23:28 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9520#comment-88072 Justin calling the Shamrock's "Shammy Shamm"s are just me being weird, so ya on that point.. To answer your other question calling GSP "The Greatness" I believe ends (on my part) March 31st.. Actually I don't mind it too much personally, if Penn had won, my friend (who doesn't post here cuz he is a Puss) had to buy a BJ Penn t~shirt, soo I guess my loss isn't that big of a deal... He highly dislikes Penn.. Justin calling the Shamrock’s “Shammy Shamm”s are just me being weird, so ya on that point.. To answer your other question calling GSP “The Greatness” I believe ends (on my part) March 31st.. Actually I don’t mind it too much personally, if Penn had won, my friend (who doesn’t post here cuz he is a Puss) had to buy a BJ Penn t~shirt, soo I guess my loss isn’t that big of a deal… He highly dislikes Penn..

]]> By: Justin http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/#comment-88067 Justin Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:41:00 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9520#comment-88067 Yeah, I got so caught up on the Hardy being a step up from Rumble (which I don't think he is) that I neglected the comments about GSP destroying the spider, which I disagree with even more. I think that Silva would KO GSP and probably early too, that is, *if* Alves doesn't do that first. *reference* I wondered about that, but I thought that was just you being querky, like calling Ken Shamrock "Shammy Shamm". Do you have to do that on going, or does the penalty for losing the bet have an expiration date? Yeah, I got so caught up on the Hardy being a step up from Rumble (which I don’t think he is) that I neglected the comments about GSP destroying the spider, which I disagree with even more. I think that Silva would KO GSP and probably early too, that is, *if* Alves doesn’t do that first.

*reference* I wondered about that, but I thought that was just you being querky, like calling Ken Shamrock “Shammy Shamm”. Do you have to do that on going, or does the penalty for losing the bet have an expiration date?

]]> By: Justin http://mmafrenzy.com/9520/anthony-johnson-vs-john-howard-in-negotiations-for-tuf-9-finale/#comment-88066 Justin Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:35:02 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/?p=9520#comment-88066 I'm not sure that Rumble fighting Hardy necessarily means he's fighting a "higher-caliber" guy. Yeah, Hardy beat Gono, and yeah Hardy KOed Markham, but he's also got six losses. I would put Hardy and Rumble on the same level, they are both rising stars with high potential, if Hardy ends up picking up the win over Davis, that puts him above Rumble in the rankings, but I still think Rumble is well capable of beating Hardy. I’m not sure that Rumble fighting Hardy necessarily means he’s fighting a “higher-caliber” guy. Yeah, Hardy beat Gono, and yeah Hardy KOed Markham, but he’s also got six losses. I would put Hardy and Rumble on the same level, they are both rising stars with high potential, if Hardy ends up picking up the win over Davis, that puts him above Rumble in the rankings, but I still think Rumble is well capable of beating Hardy.

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