Fedor Emelianenko Wins Gold at Russian Combat Sambo Championship
Posted by Kris Karkoski on Feb 25, 2009 at 1:01 pm ET62 Comments
Top-ranked heavyweight and WAMMA heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko captured his fifth Russian Combat Sambo Championship gold over the weekend.
According M-1’s official website, Emelienanko needed a total of just 60 seconds to defeat three opponents and capture this year’s championship. Following 14 second and 26 second quarterfinal and semifinal matchups, Fedor defeated his finals opponent in just 20 seconds.
A video of Emelianenko’s finals victory is embedded below:
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That is just crazy. Congrats on the gold, now come to the UFC and face some tough competition.
Like Herring, who he’s already defeated, or Nog again who he’s already beat, Lets see how either Brock or Mir does to see if we can consider either of them really competition (meaning if Mir subs Brock again, then obviously Brock is a sucker for submissions, and if Brock kills Mir this like like I think he will, then Mir is a one hit wonder on Nog.) I really think Arlovski and Barnet are his most serious competitors and he already knocked Arlovski down to going pro in boxing.
And Barnett won’t fight him because they are “buddies”. Really no one left in Affliction. Herring fought Fedor in 2002, not saying Herring would beat him today, but not very valid. Big Nog fight was in 2004, same concept with Herring. AA was picking him apart until he mistimed the flying knee. Bring Fedor to the UFC to face the likes of; Lesnar, Mir, Nog, Carwin, Dos Santos, Velasquez, Kongo, to name a few. Affliction does not have the talent left for Fedor to remain top HW in the world, he really needs to come to the UFC.
Barnett is a tubby hack. Why everyone is on his nuts I’ll never know becuase he looked freakin terrible against Yvel. Mount for 12 minutes before a stoppage? That’s bush league.
how did his bro do?
How did Aleksander do?
I spent some time searching the web earlier today to try to find that and had no success.
darn thats too bad i’d also like to know
Maybe one of you three that asked about it could put in some effort on google yourselves and if you find anything report back to us.
Justin, I was not able to find anything, kept circling back to Fedor winning gold, or that Fedor and Aleksander to enter Sambo tourney. M1 didn’t have anything or any other MMA site. Sambo.com isn’t updated either. Didn’t know it would be so hard to find competition results for this.
Will,
Yeah, I kept ending up on Fedor winning or the two competing. I also checked M1’s site, and other sites, but it looks like nothing was said about Aleks. I didn’t know to check Sambo.com I guess the fact that it was in Russia hurts the search a bit. If I knew Russian it might be easier to find, like try searching for it in Russian on Russian sites… but I don’t know Russian…
Fedor doesn’t need to do anything of the sort folks. He’s already proven himself over 8 years of dominance in the division. We really need to stop talking Big Nog, when we’re talking potential fights against Fedor. He got annihilated in the first fight…absolutely destroyed. The 2nd fight was going to end up exactly as the 3rd did, until the cut. And the 3rd fight, while it wasn’t as ‘punishing’ as the 1st, it was no less a mockery of Nog’s skills. Punch, throw, Punch, Throw, Punch, Throw. That’s the entire 3rd Fedor v Noguira fight. Of course, as I said, far better outcome in the 3rd, than the 1st. Which is more like, Punch…punch, punch, punch, punch, punch, punch, punch (wait a second for nogs head to stop bouncing off the canvas). Punch, punch, punch, punch, punch. End of fight.
As for Lesnar, look, the guy has a solid NCAA history. He won division, after all. But, are we really going to say he’s even remotely as talented as Fedor? Big men, do not automatically make a good fighter. If Lesnar continues to diversify his skills in the ring, he could very well become a huge competitor in the future. But…just being able to grapple doesn’t mean diddily, when you’re up against possibly the greatest fighter the sport has ever seen, let alone THE most well-rounded, versatile, and methodical fighter the world has ever seen.
To be honest, the HW division as a WHOLE, needs new blood. Lesnar, Mir and Fedor, are not enough to carry the entire division. And we really should be concentrating on finding new blood, rather than recycling old fights, or fights that have no chance to go anywhere special. At this point, I don’t believe there’s anyone we know of, that can take Fedor down. That’s my honest opinion.
Morne
indeed
The UFC is currently trying to inject new blood into the division via Carwin, Velasquez, Lesnar and Dos Santos. You can tell that the are letting Carwin and Velasquez mature as fighters instead of throwing them to the lions as they have done with other UFC new comers.
There is new blood coming into the HW division in the UFC is WHY he needs to move over. Affliction picks up the veteran MMA fights and matches then against him. He has dominated the HW division for awhile, but let’s see how he does against these new guys. I found this amazing background on Fedor while trying to find how Aleksander did, might explain why Fedor has been so dominant:
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fedor
That was pretty funny.
Lesnar vs Fedor?
Fedor is da King, but…
Lesnar is just so big as well as fast!
I see a pretty big chance for Lesnar to be able to overcome Fedor.
Having said that I dont think it would be a fair fight.
Lesnar is too big to be considered fair.
There should be a limit on how much weight difference there is between the fighters, unless it isnt a ’sporting fight’ but a freak show circus attraction.
does anybody agree with me that Lesnar is too heavy for most guys?
How about lesnar vs tim silvia
The whole thing about the weight difference, that’s part of being a heavyweight, if you can’t handle the potential weight gap, lose some weight and fight at 205. Lesnar is one of the few people in MMA that are that big, and still athletic. In the past there were guys that big, but they just weren’t that athletic.
To limit the weight difference between fighters you would have to create a super-heavy weight class, and as thin as HW has been, it would be a bad idea to break it up into two weight classes.
Actually, I take that back, I’d pay to see Fedor fight anyone. Doesn’t matter what else is on the card…he’s enough to keep me coming back.
Morne
That link to uncyclopedia was absolutely hilarious and answered all my questions about fedor… On a serious note we(the mma community) will probably never know the answer to the question is fedor the absolute best? Why you say… because it will take a lot of money for fedor to come to the ufc and dana white is a tightwad when it comes to paying fighters. There is better competition in the ufc for fedor, Brock, mir, couture, kongo, etc. sadly it probably wont happen. In a couple years, at least 2, brock will be ready to take on fedor, but fedor will be two years past his prime. What would really suck and I would hate to hear it happen, but wouldnt be suprised is this headline… Fedor is killed/mauled by a bear. It is crazy to fathom that fedor is absolutely capable of armbarring a bear, not a cub, but a full grown wild bear. I know in a previous post I said fedor isnt the top fighter let alone hw in the world. I stand by that statement, he is an excellent fighter, yet hasnt faced top-notch competition in a few years. Yes when he was in pride he was fighting high level fighters, since then he hasnt. just my opinion though. feel free to debate guys.
Then who do you think is the best in the world HW?
I agree bigchris, in Fedor’s PRIDE days, he was the best HW in the world due to competition he was facing. Between his 2005 fight against CroCop and 2009 AA, he has faced 6 opponents and most people only know of 3. An aged Mark Coleman in 2006, undersized Matt Lindland in 2007, and over the prime Tim Sylvia in 2008. The other 3, at the time 3-0 Wagner da Conceicao Martins (now 5-6), 5-2 Mark Hunt (now 5-5), and 1-0 Hong Man Choi (now 1-2)
You really can’t say who the best HW in the world is right now, a lot of up and coming fighters. IMO, winner between Lesnar and Mir would share 50/50 rights with Fedor as the best HW.
Overall, the UFC pays better than anyone else. Stop the myths, they’ve been thoroughly debunked.
I wasnt asking you big mouth
I wasn’t addressing you, dumbass.
Another looser know it all
Maybe you have debunked them, doent mean nobody else can
whatever you should really watch your mouth man and your manners you cant just barge in here and talk to an mmafrenzy original like dbiz like that!
“whatever” has been banned. They’ve been attacking dbiz for a couple days now using various names but I’ve just been deleting them. Finally caught them though, so they won’t be a problem anymore.
It is a common misconception that Fedor won’t fight for the UFC because the UFC won’t pay him enough. What actually happened is Fedor’s people wanted the UFC to go in on building arenas for concerts and such in Russia, as part of the deal to get Fedor to fight for them. If not wanting to build arenas in Russia constitutes being a tightwad, then I guess it’s because Dana is a tightwad…. but I wouldn’t be interested in that myself, even if I had 20 million dollars to throw away.
Otherwise, yes, we’ve debunked the whole “UFC doesn’t pay enough” thing at least a dozen times here.
Unless they go to the old No Holds barred approach of the beggining there will be no true way to see who is the toughest .Real fights dont have rules . plain and simple . There is a make shift code that you fight fair , but whats fair ? And in who’s eyes is it fair play ? So if you dont allow certain moves then its not a true fight in the absolute way . These guys are the best fighters that can fight by the rules in their organizations . They arnt the toughest guys in the world . They are the ones who are wanting to try and prove they can do it .
one mma fighters are the toughest people in the world…..
I agree with WILL about we really dont know who the top hw in the world is because of the quality of fighters fedor has faced recently. I also agree with the fact that the winner of the mir-lesnar match will share the top hw rights. The top hw is all subject to opinion. We as a community would never know until fedor gets into the cage with mir or lesnar, and even then if fedor would lose people will say it was because he hasnt fought in the octagon before, and if the fight were to happen in a ring there would be arguments for the other fighter about them losing. I personally think that with a year or two more of training and fighting high caliber fighters lesnar will be the number one hw. Espically if he were to develop some bjj skills to go along with his wrestling, striking and speed… the guy would be unbeatable. Im not saying he has to become a black belt, that wont happen for a bunch of years of bjj training. All he needs is to get to blue, maybe even purple and learn the basic submissions (armbar, triangle, kneebar) and he is unbeatable. Just my opinion though.
I agree that Lesnar is going to force the HW division to find bigger guys that are fast and powerful (Sylvia doesn’t Count in my opinion of the bread of fighter Lesnar is.) But I hope that when you talked about Lesnars skills (”westling, striking, and speed…”) that you didn’t sincerely believe Lesnar has ANY kind of skill in striking. He is slow with his punches and sloppy! He is just devastatingly powerful, so when 1 of his incredibly slow and sloppy punches land, it is like getting hit from a truck.
Did Fedor get to fight the guy he lost to last time?
I’m talking about the last Sambo tournament where Fedor lost to some guy, did he get to fight him again?
What makes Fedor so amazing is he finds a way to win. Like it or not people Fedor’s striking is not superb. He keeps his hands very low with not a lot of head or foot movement, and when he throws they are usually looping punches and often times he opens up his guard when he is throwing leaving him suspect to a straight punch. His KO Punch on Arlovski had his face down staring at the floor.
His Wrestling is not that great. While Matt Lindland is of coarse a silver medalist in the Olympics and that does carry weight, people have been able to take Fedor down with scoops, slams, body locks, and even double leg take downs. Lindland is 2 weight classes under Fedor and man-handled him. And Fedors inability to take down Arlovski from the body lock shows his wrestling isn’t the best in the biz (Jake O’Brien, Tubby Tubby Ben Rothwell, Marcio Cruz all took Arlovski down)
His Submission game is fantastic! Armbars from a HW are a sight to see for sure! And repeated Sambo tournament wins will give proof to that.
But that means Fedor is another Hermes Franca, or Travis Lutter if you look at it that way.. except one gigantic difference. He is not anything like those guys. Fedor finds a way to win every single fight. Now you can argue he was in trouble against Arlovski and maybe his striking was exposed? Buy you could also reasonably argue his wrestling was exposed by both Lindland and Randleman, but he beat those guys too. He is able to take someones strength and work it against them. He also tends to beat people using their strength! (KO of Arlovski, out striking Timmah Sylvia, out grappling Coleman). The guy is a freak. Plain and simple.
muaythai4life : man you said it all right there! to find a way to win if what makes Fedor the King of mma. look 8 years and 26 straight victories his even fighting the odds on this what great hw or just great fighter has never had a bad day in the ring! never slipped up once and lost! come on it does not happen! like when anderson silva lost to ChonanRyo Chonan by Flying Scissor Heel Hook Submission! or Georges St-Pierre lost to Matt Serra tko from Punches or chuck liddell when he lost to Keith Jardine just random bad luck but yet Fedor still stands tall!
How can anyone say no one knows whos the top HW is??????????????
That is beyond me!! What else has this man to prove???? Fedor has dominated so hard and long people are trying to throw anyone in the ring with him ex. Brock lesner.
He practiculy has beat every relavent fighter thrown at him. What Randy coutoure aint good enough anymore???
LOL at those who kept saying the guy HAS NO ON TO PUSH HIM!!!!!!!
Well please explain if you will how he got to this point and how is he still champion???????????????
Cause he fights in a ring and not a cage. Lately he has fought fighters on the down slope of their career and not the other side. He fights 2 times a year for a organization that has no competition left for him, really only had AA to begin with. Looking over Fedor’s 30 professional victories, only 2 have have impressive records, Big Nog and CroCop. Fedor beat Big Nog twice by UD and CroCop also by UD. Sylvia’s record is decent, but besides AA, no real top notch victories. The rest have sub par or below average records. Of course I am not a Fedor fan, I do believe he is over hyped, not over rated, and with the new comers in the HW division, he is no longer #1.
Cage or ring didn’t matter when he punched the lights out on the competition.
But however you wanna call it whomever you put in front of him he wins. To have victories over Big Nog, CroCop Sylvia, AA, Linland, Randleman, Coleman, Hunt, etc. etc. etc. means something.
So if he signs with ufc, beats Randy, Then it will be said ohh randy was on the down side. If he beats Mir, ohhh mir was just lucky aqainst nog anyway, or if he beats Brock, ohhh Brock was still to inexperienced..
We can always find ways to make excusses, But at the end of the day the man has proven himself repeatedly. NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCE, OLD, YOUNG, A NOBODY, A ONCE SOMEBODY, A GLASS JAW whatever.
The crazy part is I’m no big fan of Fedor either. I was rooting for AA to knock him out. But I have to give it up to the man, he is the truth. He is beatable. Very Beatable but no one has proven it so far…
I don’t want to see him fight a 50yr old Couture at all. He beats Mir or Lesnar, nothing but HUGE props for him. Then he would be the GREATEST of all time, to beat top notch fights in two different structures. And a cage or a ring does matter, ask CroCop or Wandi in his 1st fight, guys that didn’t train in a cage. I will give him a thumbs up for the victories over Big Nog and CroCop, well deserved. The Randleman fight was pretty sick, Fedor got dropped right on his dome and still won, but again Randleman was on the backside portion of the hill. AA fight was pure luck, Lindland should have never fought that fight, weight disadvantage, Hunt pulled off a couple shocking wins against Wandi and CroCop, but lost to Barnett and Fedor the same way back to back, and Coleman come on, Fedor 30yrs old vs Coleman almost 42yrs old. My point was if you look at each person he has fought and what their overall record is, not very many of then stand out in MMA.
I agree with WILL a 100%. Fedor is a talented fighter, but he doesnt fight in a organization without top level hw fighters. he got picked apart by AA’s boxing and looked like he knew he was gonna lose. he couldnt stop AA and that ko was luck. he was looking at the ground when he swung. had matt lindland had more strength fedor would have lost.
my last point is that brock lesnar’s striking might be slow and sloppy but when that mofo hits you it will do damage. i.e. herring flying across the ring with a “slow sloppy” strike, couture getting worked. there are fighters that have great striking speed but no ko power. ko power, what brock has, matters. ask mir after the hw unification bout coming up. that fight is gonna end with either mir getting ko’d or brock getting submitted. I doubt it will go to decision. brock is pissed he lost the previous fight and wants to leave no doubt he is number 1 in the ufc.
I gotta make this point. When to men train for months to throw punches with harmful intent after practicing and training and doing so for years, there is NO SUCH THING AS A LUCKY PUNCH!!! PERIOD.
Either you threw the punch or you didn’t, bottom line. Fedor threw the punch. It landed, AA sleep bottom line.
Does a baseball player hit a home run based on luck??????
Steriods maybe, but if he swong at it and it connected no one says it was lucky.. Looking at the ground or not.
AA threw a knee miss timed or not, Fedor threw a punch timed perfectly or not. End result KO!!!
Yeah AA was winning the 1ST round I REPEAT THE 1ST round OK , great but he didn’t finish.
Forrest was winning all the rounds until Rashad capitalized on him in the 3rd!!
Let face it AA glass jaw was gonna get hit sooner or later, Yeah he WAS doing great, but its not how you start its how you finish. ASK matt linland, AA, Timmehh, Hunt, CroCop, Big Nog etc.etc. etc….
Actually a baseball player can hit a homerun on luck. May times was a check swing but the ball hit the sweet spot and carried over the fence. When a pitcher hits a homerun, it is usually PURE luck. Many, many times in boxing and MMA, the knockout punch was luck, beat your opponent to the punch. Getting a KO with a haymaker is not strategy, but luck. AA was unlucky by being born with a glass jaw.
The bottom line is no matter how you break down each fighter they got in the ring and lost. NO EXCUSSES!!! NO LUCK!!!! AT the end of the day Fedor had the W on his side, bottom line playboy.
Lucky swing, does not make any sense to me in a fight, either you threw it to knock some one out or you held it back and lost. I guess what you call luck is what I call Good timing!!!
When a pitcher hits a homerun Does he not practice and train like everyone else??? To swing and make contact, not my definition of lucky.
We can sit here all night and debate on who shoulda or coulda or woulda homie but all I got is Fact, FEDOR WINS!!!! Fedor record speaks for itself in the win department. Not all the best fighters belong to the ufc or fight in a cage…
No, pitchers train completely different then hitters. I believe Babe Ruth was the only pitcher to ever lead the league in home runs. As for luck, let’s say a QB throws a hailmary pass that bounces of the CB’s shoulder pad, is tipped by the SS, and finally falls into the WR’s hands for a game winning touchdown. Luck or amazing pass? Just because you do something and it works out according to plan, does not mean a little or a lot of luck was not involved. Tiger Woods is quoted a lot as “I got a LUCKY bounce or break”. Every sport is not 100% pure ability, there is some luck in everything an athlete does.
Big dog
Really man someone getting punched in the face is different than a qb pass boucing off a ss then his reciever catches it 4 td.
I made the base ball comment cause it takes a concentrated swing to hit the intended ball by a PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE WHO TRAINS TO DO SUCH THINGS. NOT LUCK, He purposely swong to hit it. Now if my grandmother hit a homerun and never played baseball or trained to do that then that my friend is pure luck. But in this case A pichter or baseball player trains for such things and purposely swings to hit homeruns BIG WILL…..
Same as a The Fedor Punch he swong it to hit his target and it did. It didn’t bounce off another fighter and then hit AA. Instead that punch you call lucky hit my boy dead in the jaw!! Like he intended it to do!!! AND I’M PISSED STILL TO THIS DAY CAUSE I LOST MONEY TO MY TRAINING PARTNERS CAUSE OF IT….
Homeboy I agree that some accidents or lucky stuff happens I just dont agree with this being one of them… If a champion not any average joe, practices KNOCKING PEOPLE OUT AND DOES IT!! ITS NOT LUCKY THE MAN GOT SKILL AND KO POWER.
Ok son, I was trying to get you to agree that LUCK DOES HAPPEN. Not to agree with me on this specific fight, but you do see luck sneaks in there every now and then. I mostly was looking to debate with you as to why Fedor is not # 1 in my eyes. Luck or not, he’s not #1 to me. Since my work days are spent in funfilled Excel spread sheets, I decided to make a list of Fedor’s opponents and their overall record. Some good, some bad:
Levon Lagvilava 0 – 2 – 0
Hiroya Takada 1 – 3 – 0
Ricardo Arona 13 – 5 – 0
Tsuyoshi Kohsaka 26 – 18 – 2
Mihail Apostolov 0 – 1 – 0
Kerry Schall 22 – 11 – 0
Renato Sobral 32 – 7 – 0 (weight disadvantage)
Ryushi Yanagisawa 24 – 23 – 9
Lee Hasdell 9 – 14 – 1
Chris Haseman 19 – 16 – 0
Semmy Schilt 26 – 14 – 1
Heath Herring 28 – 14 – 0
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 31 – 5 – 1
Egidijus Valavicius 13 – 7 – 0
Kazuyuki Fujita 15 – 7 – 0
Gary Goodridge 23 – 19 – 1
Yuji Nagata 0 – 2 – 0
Mark Coleman 15 – 9 – 0
Kevin Randleman 17 – 12 – 0
Naoya Ogawa 7 – 2 – 0
Mirko Filipovic 24 – 6 – 2
Wagner da Conceicao Martins 5 – 6 – 0
Mark Hunt 5 – 5 – 0
Matt Lindland 21 – 6 – 0 (weight disadvantage)
Hong Man Choi 1 – 2 – 0
Tim Sylvia 24 – 5 – 0
Andrei Arlovski 14 – 6 – 0
Fedor is going to be number 1 till proven otherwise and still if he where to lose his record will still be the best 29-1-1 is nothing short of a miracle.. and if ufc could ever land him which they tried but failed several times over but if they did some how sign him you dont think the ufc would turn around right now and call him the worlds best fighter because WE ALL KNOW THEY WOULD!
1. Blame Fedor’s handlers for him not being in the UFC, because they made ridiculous demands (see one of my earlier comments.)
2. If Fedor did end up in the UFC and beat everyone they threw at him, then yeah, they would call him the best fighter. Dana doesn’t deny that Fedor is good, Dana just says that in his opinion Fedor is not doing the things necessary to continue to prove that he’s the best, because he doesn’t fight often enough, or against strong enough competition.
Dana has said multiple times he believes in Fedor’s talent but like Justin said he doesn’t think that he does enough to be the best P4P, you wouldn’t be able to convince he is better that Anderson Silva or Dana White.
I am a 7 year student of SAMBO so Fedor is someone to look up to for sure but (have to attribute some of the mathematical and match-up research to Dbiz,seriously view some of past Fedor rants he backs up what he says) he really the last few years has slowed down his attempts to consistently prove himself as “the” best and not just one of the best.
The only reason UFC struggles to land him is that he is run by M-1, even his Affliction contract is through them(why do you think his disclosed salaries are lower than his opponents most of the time). That means that the UFC wouldn’t have the license directly to market him like they do a lot of other marquis fighters. That’s been a sticking point for years.
In the sort of it Its MONEY is fedor stays out of the ufc he stands to make alot more money perfight! ufc want him to take a pay cut thats the reason plane and simple! its the licenses that Fedor has that makes him upwards of 500,000 a fight in out side license.
What? That comment makes little to no sense… but I think I know what you were trying to say, and I think you’re off target. I don’t really think Fedor would be taking a pay cut if he were to fight for the UFC, Dana has said, “We’ll pay him whatever he wants.”
Before the UFC bought out PrideFC, Pride WAS the premier place for HW fighters. Randy was a LHW and the UFC had Tim Sylvia fighting guys like Jeff Monson, Tra Tellerman, Ausserio Silva, AA. Before Sylvia you had Arlovski beating guys like Sylvia, Paul Buenetello, Justin Eilers. So When Fedor was beating guys like Nog, Cro Cop, Herring, Hunt, Coleman, Arona, etc.
So you tell me who has the better HW’s?
I wanna see what Shane Carwain becomes because while I really like Don Santos and Cain in the UFC, I think that the new wave of HW’s is going to HAVE to be guys that have to cut weight to make 265, are agile, great wrestlers, and have stamina. Brock is going to be a problem for every HW, but I don’t think he is more skilled than Fedor. I think over all the HW division is lacking in competition.
Well considering you mentioned the roster that PRIDE *HAD* and UFC *HAD* two+ years ago, what does that have to do with “who *HAS* the better HW’s?” (emphasis added) In terms of who has the better HWs, Affliction has 2 or 3 of the top 10, DREAM has 2, and the UFC has the other 5-6. So while Affliction may have the two best in a lot of people’s eyes (Barnett, Fedor) If you take their top five against the UFC top 5, Affliction comes out 2-3 at best, IMO.
I think that Fedor is the best HW, the next is Brock Lesnar and MAYBE Barnett. That being said I fully believe that Lesnar’s wrestling/size/power are the things that put him up there, not his all around MMA skill. I just don’t think many (any) HW’s will be able to beat him simply because of his size. I also think Mir’s victory was a fluke and won’t repeat, but we will see. So that being said I think the best HW’s isn’t an organization argument. Because the UFC has 5 of the top 10 doesn’t mean much for that division.
Gabriel Gonzaga gasses out every fight he doesn’t finish in R1, He is powerful but if he can’t land huge bombs he isn’t a danger in striking, His BJJ is great, but only really utilized on garbage fighters
Randy Couture – love the guy to death! one of my all time favorite fighters, and I think there are a LOT of HW’s he still beats, but he’s no real threat to anyone for the title anymore (Unless another Sylvia gains the title.) He won’t ever beat Brock, and I think Fedor would take him too. Barnett would also be a problem for Randy and I think AA would break him as well.
Herring is good for sure, not a title contender, not a threat to Brock/Nog/Fedor
Nog has always suffered in striking, not a threat to people with good BJJ defence
So my point is that Fedor is the top HW in the world, Lesnar is the top HW in the UFC and will force the HW division to change for sure, but he is not fighting competition at the same level that Fedor is (Mir, Herring, Mir again?), Couture withstanding, and so Fedor’s competition is still stronger than Lesnars.
I think in order to be the best in the division or even P4P, you need to be in the conversation when comparing all aspects of MMA; striking ability, striking defense, take downs, take down defense, ring control, ground control, submissions, etc. Of the 7 I have listed, I honestly believe Fedor is better then Lesnar in only 2 categories, ground control and submissions. The reason I give the others to Lesnar; his striking my be slower, but it’s like a keg coming at your head with a lot of power; striking defense because he has yet to take a real punch that has daised him; take downs with his size and college wrestling background; take down defense same as take downs; ring control by his size, speed, and ability to make angles.
Most the fighters we talk about P4P best, can be argued in everyone of these categories as why they are the best at it. All but Fedor, IMO.
will you give ground control to fedor > lesnar..theres no way….lesnar would destroy fedor on the ground via ground and pound rape knees to the ribs like in his herring fight
I don’t think to be best P4P you have to be questionably considered best in every category of MMA, BJ Penn is not the best wrestler or striker, but his Jits is insane. A Silva is not the best wrestler by far, but his striking and jits are great! GSP is not the best BJJ guy, neither is Randy (if we still consider him up for nomination) sooo I disagree with that statement.
who are any ufc guys as heavy as lesnar?
Maybe Carwin, GG is 256, Niel Grove is pretty big too… off the top of my head.
When most of the fighters that people put in the p4p best bracket say that Fedor is p4p best and beyond any other fighter then I think you people should stop crying he isn’t in the UFC.
UFC heavyweight is balls division anyways.
(play nice -Justin)