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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://mmafrenzy.com/9332/ufc-fight-night-17-discussion-thread/#comment-85556</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>---Misc UFC thoughts

Time to give Anthony Johnson a big fight -- top five -- where the winner gets a title shot.


The UFC should do more free TV fights.   Especially fighters ranked outside of the top ten.  Keep the pay per view focused on the C in UFC, actual championship fights and top ten fights leading to a title shot.


Brand new fighters should not have to fight established vets.  They are far too frequently fed to the lions.  Why not have the new fighters fight each other ?


---Fights I&#039;d like to see

Couture should fight big nog


Machida should fight Evans


There should be a four man tourney to establish the fighter to next get a title shot against A. Silva. The fighters should include:

Dan Henderson (4-2)
Demian Maia (4-0)
Nate Marquardt (6-2)
Michael Bisping (7-1)
Alternate = Patrick Cote (4-5)



Okami should fight A Silva.



T. Alves should fight GSP


There should be a four man tourney to establish the next title shot--

Jon Fitch (9-1)
Josh Koscheck (9-2)
Mike Swick (8-1)
Matt Hughes (16-5)

-- If Fitch and Koscheck won&#039;t fight each other they should be required to survive TWO additional fights from top ten fighters.



There should be a four man tourney to establish who&#039;s the man among the following;

Carlos Condit (0-0)
Marcus Davis (8-2)
karo Parisyan (9-3)
Matt Serra (6-5)



Gray Maynard should get a top five fight.  


There should be a four man tourney among the following:

Sean Sherk
Tyson Griffin (5-2)
Joe Stevenson (6-3)
Gray Maynard
Alternate Clay Guida</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;Misc UFC thoughts</p>
<p>Time to give Anthony Johnson a big fight &#8212; top five &#8212; where the winner gets a title shot.</p>
<p>The UFC should do more free TV fights.   Especially fighters ranked outside of the top ten.  Keep the pay per view focused on the C in UFC, actual championship fights and top ten fights leading to a title shot.</p>
<p>Brand new fighters should not have to fight established vets.  They are far too frequently fed to the lions.  Why not have the new fighters fight each other ?</p>
<p>&#8212;Fights I&#8217;d like to see</p>
<p>Couture should fight big nog</p>
<p>Machida should fight Evans</p>
<p>There should be a four man tourney to establish the fighter to next get a title shot against A. Silva. The fighters should include:</p>
<p>Dan Henderson (4-2)<br />
Demian Maia (4-0)<br />
Nate Marquardt (6-2)<br />
Michael Bisping (7-1)<br />
Alternate = Patrick Cote (4-5)</p>
<p>Okami should fight A Silva.</p>
<p>T. Alves should fight GSP</p>
<p>There should be a four man tourney to establish the next title shot&#8211;</p>
<p>Jon Fitch (9-1)<br />
Josh Koscheck (9-2)<br />
Mike Swick (8-1)<br />
Matt Hughes (16-5)</p>
<p>&#8211; If Fitch and Koscheck won&#8217;t fight each other they should be required to survive TWO additional fights from top ten fighters.</p>
<p>There should be a four man tourney to establish who&#8217;s the man among the following;</p>
<p>Carlos Condit (0-0)<br />
Marcus Davis (8-2)<br />
karo Parisyan (9-3)<br />
Matt Serra (6-5)</p>
<p>Gray Maynard should get a top five fight.  </p>
<p>There should be a four man tourney among the following:</p>
<p>Sean Sherk<br />
Tyson Griffin (5-2)<br />
Joe Stevenson (6-3)<br />
Gray Maynard<br />
Alternate Clay Guida</p>
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		<title>By: dbiz</title>
		<link>http://mmafrenzy.com/9332/ufc-fight-night-17-discussion-thread/#comment-85476</link>
		<dc:creator>dbiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 04:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lose points.  Bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lose points.  Bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
		<link>http://mmafrenzy.com/9332/ufc-fight-night-17-discussion-thread/#comment-85471</link>
		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 04:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watched on DVR, I practically fast forwarded the first 20 minutes of the broad cast.

I&#039;m not complaining that there were free fights, and the fights were good.  I just don&#039;t want soooo much ad time.  I think that for the casual viewer this could be a big turn off.  I am glad though that we got to see a couple of the under card fights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watched on DVR, I practically fast forwarded the first 20 minutes of the broad cast.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not complaining that there were free fights, and the fights were good.  I just don&#8217;t want soooo much ad time.  I think that for the casual viewer this could be a big turn off.  I am glad though that we got to see a couple of the under card fights.</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 04:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I noticed... freakin ridiculous.... but I gain points by their mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I noticed&#8230; freakin ridiculous&#8230;. but I gain points by their mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: dbiz</title>
		<link>http://mmafrenzy.com/9332/ufc-fight-night-17-discussion-thread/#comment-85469</link>
		<dc:creator>dbiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 04:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also...the UFC fantasy site is calling Lauzon&#039;s win a choke?  Lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also&#8230;the UFC fantasy site is calling Lauzon&#8217;s win a choke?  Lame.</p>
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		<title>By: dbiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 04:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10 minutes of fighting in an hour is ridiculous.  Normally I defend free cards from people who rag them.  And this one is no exception.  These were good fights.

BUT....total payout is going to be about 400k for this card.  Tops.  To make us slog through 15 minutes of &quot;sneak&quot; previews is just wrong.  Toss in the ad breaks (after a 10 minute intro) and you&#039;re looking at a 4-1 ads-to-fights ratio.

That was just crappy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 minutes of fighting in an hour is ridiculous.  Normally I defend free cards from people who rag them.  And this one is no exception.  These were good fights.</p>
<p>BUT&#8230;.total payout is going to be about 400k for this card.  Tops.  To make us slog through 15 minutes of &#8220;sneak&#8221; previews is just wrong.  Toss in the ad breaks (after a 10 minute intro) and you&#8217;re looking at a 4-1 ads-to-fights ratio.</p>
<p>That was just crappy.</p>
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		<title>By: B W</title>
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		<dc:creator>B W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 04:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*us. Sorry blackberry smart type bs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*us. Sorry blackberry smart type bs.</p>
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		<title>By: B W</title>
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		<dc:creator>B W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 04:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get a TiVo. Start  watching like a half hour late. That&#039;s what I do. 

They have to sell time to sponsors in order to bring is free fights. 

All the fights were good as well and we got to see some under card fights. No complaints from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get a TiVo. Start  watching like a half hour late. That&#8217;s what I do. </p>
<p>They have to sell time to sponsors in order to bring is free fights. </p>
<p>All the fights were good as well and we got to see some under card fights. No complaints from me.</p>
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		<title>By: dbiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waugh did a great job moving to watch for a tap on the Lauzon win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waugh did a great job moving to watch for a tap on the Lauzon win.</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.

Also, Stojnic was OUT CLASSED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>Also, Stojnic was OUT CLASSED.</p>
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