Dana White Speaks Out Against AKA; Velasquez and Koscheck Could Be Cut Next
Heavyweight up-and-comer Cain Velasquez and established welterweight Josh Koscheck could be the next UFC fighters to be cut by the UFC for refusing to sign a lifetime video game agreement with the promotion.
Jon Fitch and Christian Wellisch were both cut on Wednesday for refusing to sign the contract and, according to Yahoo Sports, the UFC is no longer willing to work with American Kickboxing Academy (AKA) or fighters represented by DeWayne Zinkin and Bob Cook.
Both Velasquez and Koscheck, along with Fitch and Wellisch, train out of AKA and are also poised to decline the agreement and face an immediate termination of their contract. Welterweight Mike Swick, who also trains at AKA, has contacted the UFC and confirmed his intention to continue to fight for the promotion.
“We’re looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I’m just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it’s not even funny,” said UFC President Dana White to Yahoo! Sports. “Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren’t partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them.”
According to the report, Fitch’s issue with the agreement was not a matter of money, but was instead with the contract’s lifetime term and that it would “not pay his family in the event of his death”, though Fitch indicated he is willing to work with the UFC in reaching a compromise.
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Since when is a [Expletive] video game the main [Expletive] focus of the [Expletive] UFC? [Expletive] this. I want to see the best [Expletive] fighters in the UFC. Not just the fighters who will sign off on a [Expletive] video game deal. Seriously, Dana needs to get his [Expletive] together.
Wow. No offense, Dana, but you might have just given Affliction their new Welterweight Champion. Not a good move, man. But hey, you’re Dana and you built the UFC. I can’t say I understand it, but I do understand loyalty.
I take SOME comfort in “…though Fitch indicated he is willing to work with the UFC in reaching a compromise.”
Best of luck, Fitch….hope we see you in the Octagon again.
This video game better be good if it’s worth going through all this trouble, LOL.
So Swick will be in the game? YES! LOL Looks like business might slow down for AKA.
total slavery – signing away yourself forever. talk about over-reaching. Is this Dana or Lorenzo? Randy was thrown to the wolves for his contract contretemps, is this outrageous and abusive treatment of it’s players going top end the UFC – if so it is a deserved death.
Pure evil. Sickening disgusting greedy scum = UFC today.
Dana is being completely unreasonable.
In no way should a fighter have to sign away their image for the rest of their life. For any video games being developed during their contract, yes.
It’s a shame about Fitch. He is awesome to watch.
The main thing with the video game and all forms of promotion (which is exactly what a video game is) is the UFC wants to build thier company with thier fighters.
The best example that I can think of is this: Anytime I watch Strikeforce, eliteXC, etc. they always make sure to mention when a fighter formally faught for the UFC. I’m sure the UFC hates this. The last thing they want is a fighter to move on and have his new promotion bank off the UFC.
well that actually didn’t make as much sense as it did when I thought it up. I’ll still leave it there hoping someone will do me the favor of expanding my point or maybe someone could even tear me a new a$$hole for attempting to make a good point and failing.
Regardless of how expletive hard Dana is trying to work to build the UFC mega-brand, axing Fitch (if it comes to that) and Koscheck takes away a huge chunk of talent from (what used to be) one of the UFC’s deepest divisions. Not to mention what will be left of the already scarce HW order once Velazquez and Wellisch leave town. Also, cutting off an entire camp, especially one as strong as AKA, is rather ridiculous. I would have thought that White would be a bit more rational about his cuts these days, given the other wolves(Affliction, Strikeforce,usual Japanese suspects)sniffing around every corner for just the faintest hint of strong talent.
The UFC should sell their product and not their brand name. I don’t know what the hell they’re thinking.
Agreed Eric.
I agree 100%. I believe losing Fitch and Koscheck is a very bad idea. It has to be a two-way street. UFC gives some, fighters give some.
PS: Who wouldn’t want to be their own character in a video game?
Here’s the deal.
Not signing the vido game contract is pure stupidity. You do all of this to get fame and fans; and then you want to not sign the rights to be put in a video game??? These guys are going to hate themselves someday for not only blowing it in the UFC, but for giving up the CHANCE TO BE IN A VIDEO GAME!!! Do thy really think without the UFC they would ever get that chance?
Dana’s right. There are too many good fighters that want to be a part of the UFC to put up with those who don’t. The UFC is giving them a chance in a liftime. Don’t they realize THEIR KIDS COULD PLAY A VIDEO GAME WITH THEIR DADS IN IT!!!
Drop the agents and managers who would tell you to get more money, because nothing else matters to an agent. Because, the agent doesn’t get to be in a video game.
It really makes the game cooler if it has everybody that’s under contract.
Why would you not sign that release? Why would you need to get paid to be in a video game???
Dana, drop anyone who won’t sign!!!
First Tito, then Randy, then Arlovski, now Fitch & Koscheck.
Trust me, St. Pierre could be next.
Dana’s in ****ing charge, and the fighters are dumb bastards (Dana calls his own fighters dumb basterds and retards – in public). It’s been documented.
Why would Fedor want to sign away his life – to Dana White of all people.
Affliction must survive – if only so talented fighters have options to fight.
Dana White is one step closer to becoming a Vince McMahon clone.
Is this an issue solely with AKA or just certain fighters it is a blow releasing Fitch and possibly Koscheck but the UFC still has great WW fighters coming through and still some established names too.
So i assume Dana still knows what he is doing
It is complete bullsh1t that you have to sign away your likeness and name.
This is not the WWE, where Vince McMahon creates the character and control their likeness. This is a DAMN VIDEO GAME we are talking about. Come on Dana White get your head out of your A$$.
Just got this sign-up thing right, finally!
For all you [Expletive] Dummies, this is a BUSINESS!..Who cares what you want? [Expletive] you!
“regoillin said:
The UFC should sell their product and not their brand name. I don’t know what the hell they’re thinking.”
Everyone else trades on the brand name, why shouldn’t Dana? The UFC stands to make a metric sh*t-ton of money off this video game. THQ is likely pushing for these or the game won’t come out. You don’t want it tied to the UFC contract because when a fighter leaves the UFC, THQ doesn’t have rights to the likeness anymore.
Therefore, when a fighter refuses to sign, especially high level and popular fighters, it stands as a road block to the game coming out. That is directly working against your employer and in any real job that WILL get you fired.
I agree with Fitch that the payments shouldn’t stop in the event of his untimely demise. As long as they are using his likeness, he or his estate should get paid for it. However, if it comes down to losing your job or not getting everything you want…well, that’s life. We all make choices and now he and Dana both have to live with it.
Something doesn’t smell right.
Only a few hold outs from pretty much one camp. All other fighters sign??? The point has been made, who wouldn’t want to be on a video game? Doesn’t make sense when top to bottom everyone else signs. Someone is allowing the fighters to think again.
However, most of you know I’m a huge Dana supporter. I hope he is being cautious and has good reason for his attitude.
All in all I don’t think Dana makes rash decisions and there must be reasoning behind it. I predict the fighters will come to their senses…
I’m with surfingk5, it doesn’t quite make sense that all the other fighters are signing, but this one camp is not. I think its a case of Zinkin, as a representative of this fighters, trying to strong arm Dana, and Dana said “[expletive] you I’ll show you who’s in charge.” Bear in mind, that the agents representing athletes usually get paid based on a percentage of what their client makes. Zinkin may have tried tried to block this because he didn’t stand to make much money off of it, and now he’s out a pay check until he signs his fighters to a new promotion.
a lot of you guys are ufc fanboys.
Let me clarify my point, most missed it.
There is no way the fighters should have to sign away their likeness for the REST of their lives.
Anytime a fighters likeness is used for any merchandising sold (dvds, books, etc) they should be compensated. Whether this is in the terms of their contract or as royalties when they leave the company (ie. past PPV DVDs).
However, once the fighter has left the UFC they should have the right to deny usage of their likeness in Video games if they wish.
See that there is a choice.
All you saying ‘who wouldn’t want to be in a video game?’ are denying the fighters the choice to control how they are promoted.
Unbridled greed anyone?? Jon Fitch earned every penny of the $170,000 from the fight in Minneapolis. It is funny that Dana brings up that fight and how much Jon made because as the headline bout, he probably made 5 times what he normally does. MLB/NFL/NBA all operate with unions and the players call the shots or at least has a say in things – it will be hard to start and you will have to get guys who are willing to sacrifice when they don’t have to (example – Forest Griffin) for the sake of all fighters dealing with the UFC. This sounds pretty oppressive. Stand strong Jon. It will work out for you in the end.
Sounds like AKA was working something out with Affliction and it came to light for the UFC when the video game signings had to be done.
That’s an interesting point, WM. Why is no one noting that this is CLEARLY a concerted effort by AKA? Why is the UFC (Dana) the only bad guy when whoever is on top at AKA is obviously orchestrating this?
EA have been rumoured to enter the MMA Market so maybe they were negotiating deals with camps directly opposed to a promotion and this might be the reason why they didn’t want fighters signing deals ?
IM JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER SHOW…. SINCE ON UFC.COM EVERY WEEK THEY HAVE JUNIE BROWING DO A BLOG. DOES THAT MEAN HE DIDNT GET KICKED OFF AGAIN… BECAUSE IF THATS WHAT THAT MEANS THATS 3 MUTHA FUKKIN CHANCES THATS BULL****… AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THAT ANY OF THE PAST LW TUF FIGHTERS CAN BEAT THIS SEASONS…
fitch was a bad cut but sylvia and werdum were boring and thats why they got cut has nothing to do with power, no one can power brock. Especially Sylvia got booed what 4/5 of his last fights?
WOW…what kind of dictatorship are they running??? so the fighters are for the most part, underpaid to begin with…but now they are stolen of any freedom in choosing whether or not they want to be part of a video game??!! does this not sound absolutely immature, irresponsible? the UFC has become that giant money grubbing corp. that takes everything, and expects to give nothing. sickening.
A F-ing video game is going to start diminshing the UFC’s pool of talent now? This is not good. The whole situation is so stupid that there has to be something “HUGE” missing from all the facts. Why does AKA and the UFC have this issue over a video game all of a sudden? What are we missing?
i’m down with whatever dana says! he has proven himself to be right so far… even when it appears at some moments he may be wrong. once all the facts come out… he has always been vindicated in his actions!
As i said Kouch maybe it is to do with EA entering the MMA market they have been rumoured for a while and maybe offering to sign camps in favour of dealing with promotions this might be a cheaper option and give them better options in terms of fighter quality.
Who knows though i’m sure Dana & AKA have had previous problems
Who ever is making these descisions is going over the top for a game . These games are poor quality and are notfun to play …. even though they PROMISE this one is different .For me it comes down to choices and the UFC stepping in to make you agree with them which isnt right . What ever happened to signing a simple release form … lifetime contracts are poor ideas .
What the f*ck is going on here ?
This is the problem with having no competition. The UFC can do whatever the (expletive) it wants because it is still the only viable game in town. I’d like to see Fitch move up to MW and head to Japan; could be some great fights in DREAM.
dana white sounds like a drugged out 80s lead singer. i mean really dana r u getting ur buisness advice from axl rose. this is wat i got from danas quotes “this is my band and my mic stand and my scarf im the lead singer I AM THE BAND.” dana ur not the band the ufc doesnt run because ur ass is in there every month fighting. good luck getting ppv buys when the main event is dana white vs lorenzo fertita for the undisputed shmuck of the world. i hope kos goes out there on the 10th touches gloves falls down and taps and flips dana off or even better i hope he wins and in his interview wit rogan bashes dana so bad they need to cut to commercial. i liked dana i was a huge dana supporter now i just think hes a big time tool. DANA IS A TOOL! DANA IS A TOOL! DANA IS A TOOL!
Dana has made questionable, yet later warranted decisions in the past but seriously…. Dana you a royal expletive pecker for the way you treat your fighters! Your goal of monopolizing mma has worked so far but there’s a reason most mma fans will turn to other promotioms.. Its called “watching awesome mma athletes whether they are in the ufc or not!” You are actually helping mma by creating great “catches” for smaller promotions to gobble up and subsequently hurting ufc’s monopoly by throwing AMAZING fighters to the wayside so you can pad you expletive wallet. Thank you for creating awesome competition for the ufc! Did I mention you’re a pecker? Also, stop wearing tight t-shirts like you have some muscle on your body… You look like 10 pounds of sh!t in a 5 pound bag… And you’re a pecker… I’m done venting now.
Doesn’t Zinkin represent Chuck Liddell?
I wouldn’t sign over my likeness on a lifetime deal, especially if that company is going to continue to use my name and likeness when I’m dead, and family members or heirs don’t receive compensation. That decision to reject that deal seems pretty obvious to me.
I can see both sides of this argument. I can see why Jon Fitch and the other fighters would not want to sign a lifetime contract, but I can also see why the UFC would want them to. I don’t understand why many of the fighters have already signed this contract, but this camp refuses. I am a fan of Dana’s and have to go with trey trey “he has proven himself to be right so far… even when it appears at some moments he may be wrong. once all the facts come out… he has always been vindicated in his actions!”
We don’t yet know all the fact and circumstances, and in all reality, without seeing the actual contract, we won’t know. I’m more inclined to side with the UFC because not being willing to sign this contract shows disloyalty, but I am still not ready to fully commit to either side. I still want to know more. I’m not ready to fully jump behind Dana, that’s for sure, but I also think that now is not the time to jump on the Dana White is evil bash…err bandwagon.
E-ROC,
They do represent Liddell, but only in his sponsorship contracts, Chuck deals with the UFC personally.
I posted this last night in the other forum dont know if everyone got a oppritunity to read it…….
Justin or anyone else for that matter, Dwayne Zinkin and his brother were instimental in Kos growing with the UFC, they started out in MMA because their family has A LOT of $$$$ and their grandfather started out farming nuts and various types of vegies… Dwaynes father spent half his time farming then went into developing land here in the Central Valley of California, the boys Dwayne and his brother really don’t have the nack for farming soo with “their bankroll” the started to provide Chuck with sponsorship $$$ and developed Zinkin Entertainment which houses Chuck, Bob Cooks entire team (that’s how they constantly aquire new equipment), Zinkin has sponsored many of THE PIT fighters, help Hack with equipment, they have ties to Cung Le and Casey Olson (local fav on the cusp of becoming someone in the WEC)
Not that Dwayne is a bad guy, yet he does get a little head strong and perhaps isn’t the best business mind outthere…. I by no means am pulling anyones chain I will tell you this I can definately see Zinkin Entertainment pulling some strong arm move against the UFC and Dana saying fuuuuck you, in all reality this isn’t good for Zinkin & Co they could have easily tried to minipulate the situation and put all their eggs in a basket thinking there is no way UFC would cut Fitch and Kos and tried to demand some retarded shhhit….
fr,
I got to read it, but thanks for reposting it.
whatever Justin, noone cares its cool
Huge piece in USA Today on this.
Dana White is making a bad choice here … one that will only benefit AFFLICTION . Affliction now has access to a larger talent pool that will be able to challenge some credit of the ufc . especially if others follow
Dana what the hell. i understand loyalty but dude you are not the comander and general of the roman army. Why should these guys sign away their lifes to you or a video game. They fight for you and make you money. Now a f-ing video game is taking away some of the best fighters in the sport. The fans are pissed and they should be number one. i don’t even want the damn video game if this is what its going to do to the UFC my favorite sport.
welcome to america boys money money money. welterweights are already stacked but it is sad to see fitch go
If the fighters were going to sign away their likeness for as long as they were with the UFC it wouldn’t be an issue. The UFC isn’t going to take care of the fighters for life, so why should the fighters take care of the UFC for life? 20 yrs from now if the video game makers wanted to put out a UFC Greatest game they would be able to use the likeness of anyone, from any era to make a$$loads of money off of. Even if a fighter were to be fired and move to a different promotion.
There is no legitimate business reason for this to be a lifetime contract.
I predict after this, Fitch will be “in talks”, and they’ll bring him back…..IF he signs the contract
It doesn’t matter if Fitch goes to affliction, who cares. He will never beat GSP. Affliction can have all the 2nd rate champs they want.
Kos & Fitch both got their shots at the title and came up short, so next. If the UFC can entertain me with out them then F*@k them. Just like Dave Chappelle, I ain’t his friend, I don’t care about his feelings, ENTERTAIN ME FOR MONEY!
I don’t pay to watch them be hard nosed negotiators or savvy business professionals.
actually I don’t think Kos’ fight with GSP was for a title
it wasn’t. it was GSP’s fight directly after losing the title.
however a win in that Koscheck v. GSP fight would have put Kos in front of GSP for a title shot against Hughes/Serra, which turned out to be a shot at interim champ against Hughes, which even though I like Hughes, I think Kos could have won.
you don’t want to lose Fitch or Kos. fitch is still a top contender and Kos is always willing to take any fight given to him. Don’t be dumb Dana.
Why do so many people not understand how this conversation would work at any other job?
“Well, ________, we’ve got some new rules for work here. Sign here saying you will follow them or pack your desk and go home.”
“But boss, I feel that this rule needs to be different.”
“You can think whatever you like, the rules are written. If you don’t sign, we will find someone to replace you.”
“I really think this is isn’t fair. I was talking to a bunch of guys I hang out at the watercooler with and we all think some of this stuff needs to be changed. I’m not going to sign it because I think that part of it could be more beneficial to me personally.”
[door hits the newly unemployed in the ass]
Whether you agree with the rules or not, no one was forcing them to stay (clearly). Everyone here thinks Dana should have changed the contract (which he likely couldn’t do on his own) but no one is paying attention to the fact that a group of people who all train together are actively seeking to undermine one area of expansion for their employer. Anywhere you work, that is termination.
except that the rules of the country are not made up by the boss.
no one can be forced to sign a waiver.
ask a lawyer.
more great fighters at large.
DBiz,
Great point, that’s why I don’t have a huge problem with it.
russiandoeboi,
And no employer can be forced to keep an employee that doesn’t follow company policy.
WOW all I have to say is something that looked so beautiful just a couple of days ago is starting to look so ugly. Dana and the boys at Zuffa are dropping the ball. Affliction take notice. Just a couple of days ago UFC looked miles ahead of Affliction. You can still have these guys in the game and not have them sign a lifetime contract. Look at WWE Booker T was in a great deall of their past games as well as Kurt Angle and Christian. The reason I said that is because those three I listed are in the new TNA game as well. Which is the rival promotion. Why the UFC would do this in this economy is beyond me. AKA has some of the toughest fighters. With Christian Wellisch I was like well tough beans. But Fitch was a big loss. As will be Koscheck and Velasquez. M-1, Affliction, and all other upstarts take notice. Though I dont want to see it but the time to compete and maybe take down the UFC is upon us. Because of some retarded lifetime video game contract. Oh well… Nothing Gold Ever Stays. They are really starting to make the sport of MMA become poisoned by the business of the UFC.
DUDE! That’s fu&in retarted! FITCH is an awesome fighter and an awesome role model for this sport. I read his article on mmajunkie and even he seems hella confused. DANA keeps saying he cares for “the growth of this sport” and has made all these sacrifises for “the growth of this sport” but cutting TOP fighters cuz they won’t give their lifes away(who fu^ing would in this position) sounds more like he cares for the MONEY HE CAN MAKE FROM THIS SPORT. I feel bad for the fighter especially during this rough and scary time with the economy being $hit. Dude i just can’t believe FITCH is gone and now even KOS. Don’t give a shat about the others. WOW dude…
D-Biz,
Not that simple. You SHOULD have a problem with it. You should always have a problem with a huge billion dollar company taking a hardline with an employee. That could be you one day and what if everyone said ‘who cares’. What is wrong is wrong. That is the UFC being a bully – realizing they are the only game in town and forcefeeding contracts on their fighters who are putting a lot at risk (their bodies, their lives). Just because companies do this doesn’t mean it is right.
Signing away your likeness away is never a good idea. Sometime read about the Beach Boys and them signing away the rights to their music for $600,000 in the 1980’s in what ended up being valued today at over 1 billion dollars. These stories are not a rare as they should be. Someday – maybe – they will have a union, they need it badly. A lot of industries have them: actors, plumbers, carpenters, writers – I can’t think of a better industry to have one than in MMA. The UFC is going to make a lot of money on this video game and it is fair that the fighters should be fairly compensated for their likeness. They are trying to make Fitch an example to scare other fighters. Look Swick already caved!!
Ram, you are seriously over reacting to this situation. Control! lol
Yeah, unions are great, just look at what they did to the big three auto makers, and now you may get to pay, with your tax money, for the union pensions that GM can’t afford.
Mujo, there wouldn’t be any reproductions of any games or movies at technology advances. It makes no sense. Thousands upon thousands of athletes do it. They are being bratts. And, yes I’m a UFC boy that is interested in mma worldwide…we’ve already heard all that bud.
that is, if you’re American.
I meant to say as technology advances. when the PS5000 comes out they recreate the old games…that was where I was going.
Last point.
I think there is a serious over reaction going on here…AND
I LOVE THE UFC AND DANA WHITE
“Steve said:
Not that simple. You SHOULD have a problem with it. You should always have a problem with a huge billion dollar company taking a hardline with an employee.”
This happens every day, in every industry. Dress codes change. Not meeting them results in sanctions or firing. Rules regarding what is late change. Same results for non-compliance.
Right or wrong isn’t the issue. If you hop over to the other thread and read the link Justin posted, this has more to do with AKA than the contract, since (are you ready?) Dana has said that if Fitch calls him and wants to work it out, they will work it out.
Read both sides. It sounds to me like the truth lies between. Dana terminated the contract because AKA’s management is trying to dick around. AKA’s management team isn’t telling Fitch the whole story. Dana has never liked Zinkin (of AKA) and this likely affected how he handled the situation….so he is cutting ties with all of AKA. If fighters want to stay with the UFC, they can contact the UFC directly (or through a lawyer to handle contracts). The UFC simply will not deal with Zinkin and whoever else was mentioned anymore.
This is not Dana saying directly to Fitch “Sign or else.” That is how AKA represented the conversation to Fitch. FITCH NEVER SPOKE DIRECTLY TO ANYONE AT THE UFC. (”I never talked to Dana directly, but they did, DeWayne (Zinkin) and Crazy Bob (Cook) did.”)
So basically, cut the assholes out of the loop and this can be taken care of.
Regarding Kos, Dana has said that he is going to keep his word to him. It’s there, in the press, black and white. “I gave my word to Josh Koscheck. Man to man, I told him, ‘You fight this fight with Thiago Alves, come in and do this — if you don’t get hurt and you have no injuries from this fight — win or lose, I’ll put you in the next fight.’ I gave that kid my word. I’ll never go back on that. ”
Further misunderstandings re: merchandising and lifetime exclusive deals therein… “No, no. There’s no lifetime deal on merchandising. The merchandising deal is non-exclusive. They can go out and do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it. with whoever they want to, and we haven’t pressured anyone to sign that thing.”
Why can’t anyone here read? This has nothing to do with individuals. It has to do with management. Arrogant management (on both sides) and incompetence on the side that doesn’t have any power (AKA). To quote Dana one last time… “And it’s not against any of the fighters. Any of the fighters can come and talk to me one-on-one. … Mike Swick called me 10 minutes after it happened and said, ‘I’m with you.’ “
Holy f*ck. I did not mean for that to be that long. Damn excessive quoting.
Josh V said:
I predict after this, Fitch will be “in talks”, and they’ll bring him back…..IF he signs the contract
According to Sherdog this is already happening
Jon Fitch was released from the UFC on Wednesday, but a discussion has reopened with the promotion.
Bob Cook and Zinkin Entertainment, who manage Fitch and other fighters from the American Kickboxing Academy, told Sherdog.com on Thursday afternoon that talk has resumed with the UFC, but they would not comment on the exact nature of the discussion.
Hey DBiz don’t lump me in with the rest of the F@#*in martians!!!
Hey DBiz, don’t lump me in with the rest of the F***in martians!!!
surfing, you and fr702 are my boyzzzzzz
Shoji- I agree 100%.
Also,There’s obviously alot of variables involved that WE the fan’s don’t know or understand.The UFC has evolved into a $multi-billion industry,and Dana-love him or hate him,is largely responsible for that.
ONE QUESTION: Would you know who any of these fighters are if it wasn’t for the UFC?
hey, I’m on your side too, DBiz.
LOL, I thought that was funny! Keep it up DBiz, I agree with you about 99.9999% of the time.
@Jazzkok, what kind of name is that anyway???
PS. I LOVE THE UFC AND DANA WHITE
i wanted to see a fitch alves rematch – although they both improved i think fitch would be too much for alves
i can’t fn believe this.Fitch was my favorite WW,and he’s leaving because of a fn game,wich i WAS exited about getting till i heard this ****.Dana needs to get his head out of his ass,and learn how to prioritize.Unless there really is something else going on behind the seens like kouch suggests.If not this is a stupid reason to loose some of the best p4p fighters in the world.
well said dbiz.. its a job, every job has rules you dont like them go somewhere else. especially in a job like this where so many want in
you are right mr1000lbs it’s a job.
luckily for fitch he happens to be the 2nd best 170 lb’er in the world, so don’t be shocked if you don’t see him at the soup line tomorrow
“Yeah, unions are great, just look at what they did to the big three auto makers, and now you may get to pay, with your tax money, for the union pensions that GM can’t afford.”
Good to see you’ll believe whatever the cable news networks tell you. The american auto industry killed itself by ignoring the need to develope cars that werent overpriced gas guzzlers, now they are crumbling because americans finally realized they need to spend wisely.
Back to this issue though, the fighters really do need better representation and I dont see why the UFC needs a lifetime contract they should just focus on this game selling well and not sucking.
Arnold, well said…I totally disagree with you but, well said.
i agree w. arnold auto industry killed itself.
guys,
rememmber that ol song take this job and shove it, i aint workin here no more.
well guess what?
there’s a choice other than being bosses pet.
oh and likewise the america and the rest of the world will come out of these hard times better and stronger
Arnold,
Actually I don’t watch cable network news. The US automakers tried to sell us overpriced gas guzzlers to cover the 30 per person per hour extra that they pay in labor over Japanese manufacturers, that plan was a bad one and now its caught up to them. But that’s all for another forum, not here.
I agree with you that I don’t see the need for the lifetime contract, but by the same token, most of the fighters have already signed it and how likely is it that 20 years from now a 50 year old Jon Fitch is going to have an opportunity to be in any video game?
The fighters don’t “need better representation” they need to represent themselves better. They sign the contracts, if they don’t like them, don’t sign them, its that simple. Look at how the “better representation” for NHL players worked out for them, the PA didn’t take the contract offered to them early in negotiations, and a year later they ended up taking a deal that was worse for the players and better for the owners (than the original offer) just to get back to playing hockey.
Kris needs to start locking posts like this one. There is now nothing related to it to say.
i can actually understand why some fighters would not want to sign the lifetime contract because then if u ever left the ufc then they could still use your name and character and represent u any way they want to in a videogame…i could say that i would definitly talk it over with my agent for a while before signing anything…..i dont know if i would give them lifetime use of my name or character….its kinda stupid when u think about..to actually release a fighter just because of a dang videogame….come on dana i definitly lost respect for dana
gunslinger,
read the article I posted from USA today, it clearly states, from both Fitch and White that this was not “just because of a dang video game”. Fitch and his people were upset over Dana’s approach, Dana was upset over a cumulative problem (in his opinion) with AKA. The video game was just the straw that broke the camels back, as the saying goes.
Don’t expect people to read, Justin. You’ll just be disappointed.
lol
::shakes head:: Sorry what was I thinking?!
I think Danas ‘roid raging, i say they test the president and if positive suspend the bastard with a fine.
Brilliant commentary, mike.