Despite Speculation, Fedor Is Human After All
Fedor Emelianenko has come up short in a Sambo tournament this past weekend, earning only a Bronze medal after losing decisively to Bulgarian Blagoi Ivanov, according to a report from MMAMania. As one might imagine, this is somewhat of a big deal since Fedor practically had to scour the earth just to find a willing Sambo opponent in the past. Not to mention that Fedor walked through Ivanov with ease in their previous meeting. Of course, Sambo is not exactly MMA, but it isn’t terribly far off either. If pressed, I would have to agree that combat Sambo is about as close as one is going to get to modern mixed martial arts.
Additionally, Fighters Only is now passing along the rumor that Ivanov’s performance has earned him a contract with Affliction, which was apparently inked “immediately after winning the tournament.” Wow, that Atencio guy must work fast.
The overall point remains that Fedor has finally lost at something, and he just might not be the Skynet-created cyborg some thought he was. I can also imagine Andrei Arlovski (a highly accomplished Sambo man as well) getting wind of Fedor’s shiny new bronze and smiling just a little bit. If nothing else, it couldn’t hurt his confidence when he steps in to face Emelianenko at Affliction: Day Of Reckoning on January 24th.
Tags: Blagoi Ivanov, Fedor Emelianenko
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As someone who practices combat SAMBO it is the closest thing to modern MMA of any of the Martial Arts Systems. It utilizes a different point system and what not but it is very close with only a few rule differences. It’s impressive that Ivanov defeated him, it’s not exactly easy to do when Fedor practically runs the sport in Russia. I’m curious to see the video of the event.
i agree but i dont think he’ll come close in the ring but you never know.i think fedor might use this as some inspiration and turn it up a notch. they say when you lose you get better and maybe hes getting board so this is a good thing.
Fedor does the job, clean in the middle to setup the big money rematch. Talk about workin smart, kid
I wouldn’t want to be AA. This may have lit a fire under Fedor.
Randy and Fedor lose in the same week, owell, Combat Sambo 3x World Champ lost once in competition…. Thats they way it goes sometimes I hope he didnt hurt his hand, with the AA fight coming up and all…
Back in England SurfingK5?
are there sub’s in sambo or ground fighting at all?
real Q not being a smart asss!
Trolls- haha yeah certain ones are barred and certain ones are stopped in certain positions. If I lock in a submission from the guard if my shoulders come off the mat then the hold must be let go(to avoid slams), also you can only hold the sub for 60 seconds if you do that or the guy submits you gain what’s called a “total victory”, and certain holds are illegal. If you need complete rules go to FIAS website at http://www.sambo.com
Sure he’s human but he’s also been 90% winning or placing Silver or bronze in the World combat sambo championships and russian sambo championships since 1997….
Pretty impressive to keep being that competitive in Sambo and Judo when your the king of MMA……..
fedor isnt the king of mma… not far from it, but he is not the decisive king…
if Fedor isn’t king of mma, then mma has no king
fr, I hate to disapoint chap, and am honored you thought I’m English…But I bleed red, white and blue through and through mate!!! Straigt up American and proud!
Just a lucky world traveler. Try to be educated and accepting to all. Appreciate all cultures.
But, yes I’m back in Colorado from my great trip to Okinawa. All is well and I’m feeling refreshed! Thanks man!
TO ALL
As for Fedor, Chuck, Randy and other magnificant fighters…Don’t lose any more fights gentlemen or your fans will abandon you. You have done nothing, fought no one, accomplished little and have no futures!!!! GOD forbid someone lose… THAT IS ME BEING SARCASMIC AND IRONICAL
I hope it spells out for you that know so damn much about mma. I’ve got news for everyone………
WE ARE IN NEW TERRITORY, WHERE FIGHTERS CAN AND WILL BE OLDER, WHEN YOU FIGHT SOMETIMES YOU LOSE, YOUNG OR “OLD” THOSE THAT DON’T KNOW OR UNDERSTAND YOU AS A FIGHTER AND AS A MAN WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY’VE NEVER BEEN THERE.
I think criticisim of older fighters is obsurd and childish and reflects the type of person you are. THEY’VE FORGOTTEN MORE THAN YOU’LL EVER LEARN
Is there a time to quit? Yes, when they say. Not when you say, the guy sitting on a bean bag chair with a bag of cheetos in one hand and his tiny, small insignificant manhood in the other….please
THE GREATS ARE OUT THERE DOIN IT MAN!!! and you have your cheetos and blog you’re reading from some guy that thinks he’s witty calling himself SurfingK5!!!
I understand SurkingK5,I did think you were British no I know that u are just a lucky world travelier… Colorado huh that’s a wonderful place cheers to you and I didn’t read what u have said about Fedor for I’m on my CrackBerry and my nice quiet neighborhood is surrounded by police and they have two coppters up and sooo I’m paying attention to that now
SurkingK5 – if your not English then why the hell are you sayin things like ‘chap’ and ‘mate’? i’ve never heard of an american saying those words….not to mention you got an english football team as an avatar. little suspect man.
good stuff surfingk5.
scary stuff fr702, hope all is well.
@Fr702,
Your neighborhood Sounds like America’s Best Value Inn off the strip in Vegas…Advice for the tourists…Don’t stay there…
Hope all is well…
As for Fedor I don’t think the Sambo loss means anything except to the UFC press machine…Sambo is a different animal from MMA as is all the other disciplines. I respect him for showing up. The reign of an unbeatable fighter is a myth designed to sell tickets,posters,action figures and whatever Zuffa can negotiate.
“jiujitsuMAN said:
fedor isnt the king of mma… not far from it, but he is not the decisive king…”
I would say very far from it. Outside of Timmeh (and most would question whether he really fits the description) he hasn’t fought a high-caliber MMA fighter since 04 or 05, depending how you rate Cro Cop at that time. To say he is the king right now, he would have to be fighting high quality opponents. I just don’t think Mark Hunt, a middleweight opponent, and Hong-Man Choi fit that bill. Go past those, and you’re over 2 years in the past.
King? Nah. Barely a prince.
Fedor is a smart man and he is that awesome he gives Bulgaria a new national hero well done lad
Yup Fedor is still the P4P King although Dana will not admit it.
Dietrich, its not like that at all but I know what u are talking about… Its an old neighborhood with huge oak trees and such and guess someone thought they could hide in them, thx for the concerns, cheers…
is the points system like that of college wrestling? i missed the sambo episode of human weapon so im not too familar wit sambo but i did see the pankration episode and that was pretty close to modern day mma. is sambo more like mma then pankration? as for fedor mayb this loss will make it so he doesnt want a nonexclusive contract from the ufc and hell finally sign wit the big dogs.
Us and Chuck, you have to actually fight to be the p4p king. 2 a year, and none of them even top-10 (except maybe Timmeh) and one of them a middleweight, CAN NOT make you p4p best. I’m sorry. It can’t.
Fedor has fought nobodies for 4 years. That isn’t opinion. That is stated clearly in his record. Mark Hunt (5-4)? Hong-Man Choi (1-1)? Zuluzinho (5-5 since 03 – his sanctioned fights)? Matt Lindland the middleweight/part-time light heavyweight? That leaves Tim Sylvia…and his reputation is well documented.
To be the best, you have to fight the best. In 2005, he may have held that title. Not losing doesn’t hold onto something like p4p best. Fighting the best and not losing gives you a chance to heold onto it.
He has been passed by both A. Silva and GSP in the p4p best race. He’s gonna have to really go hard to get it back.
Actually he’ll need to sign with the UFC to get it back, and he’s repeatedly said he won’t because the UFC doesn’t want its investments in its fighters to be jeopardized by the sort of freak shows he likes to engage in.
dbiz i made that same argument months ago thank god im not the only one who can see that uve made me a tad saner sir thank u
Nah DBiz don’t buy in to that Anderson no chance GSP Maybe look at Fedor’s record Cro Cop, Tim Tim, Babalu, Herring, Schilt Nog twice Coleman twice & so on.
Fedor is also a small heavyweight which speaks volumes of his talents.
Anderson has beaten Mr protected himself Rich Franklin & Hendo who prepared himself terribly for his fight physically no one else that is it.
GSP & Penn i agree certainly give Fedor a run for his money all have beaten legit No 1 contenders and also are involved in the 2 best weight divisions in terms of talent.
Us and Chuck, let’s try fights from the last 4 years if you want to talk about CURRENT best p4p. That leaves Cro Cop and big Nog once. Make it the last 3 years and you’ve got Cro Cop. That CAN NOT PUT YOU NEAR THE TOP. Not when you run from real competition with the excuse that you want to do freak shows against ROOKIES in Japan or Korea.
Since Jan 1, 2006 his opponents have been: Mark Coleman, Mark Hunt, Matt Lindland, Hong-Man Choi, Timmeh. That is 3 calendar years, 5 fights. That isn’t even being a champion, much less best p4p.
Silva, for you calling him Mr. Protected, has fought Franklin twice and Hendo in that same time period. Incidentally, both of them are top-10 in that weight class (or were before Franklin moved up out of it). Add in Leben, Travis Lutter, Nate Marquardt, James Irvin, and what part of the Cote fight happened and you have a much stronger record than Fedor has had. In fact, you have to go back to the heyday of Pride to find ANY stretch where Fedor has had any real string of matchups.
You, and the rest of the Kool Aid drinkers, don’t want to realize that Fedor hasn’t been the same since the mysterious hand injuries began. He picks and chooses fights and is just as protected, if not more so, than anyone the UFC has ever hyped.
Hell, Lesnar has had tougher opponents recently than Fedor has since 03-04. If he doesn’t start fighting real opponents with some regularity, he won’t even be considered #1 heavyweight because he isn’t taking himself or MMA seriously.
Us & Chuck, com’on saying that Anderson has “only” beaten Franklin and a ill prepared Hendo wow ok, I will give a ill prepared Lutter but Hendo I think not, here are a few others u forgot:
Lee Murray
Jermey Horn
Carlos Newton
I’m a Fedor fan but fighting a 187 pound man (Lindland) when u are 230 and not Fedors best performance mind isn’t something to jump up and down for
He fought Babalu in what his 6th fight or something like that I wouldn’t mind seeing them go at it now
Semmy Schilt was essentially the birth place of Russian Lay n Pray technique
Now I can go on and on about this, bottom line p4p is perspective if you see it for someone specific you will argue til the death about it, I will state that Anderson Silva would have a easier time making it to HW to fight Fedor than Fedor would ever have trying to cut weight to fight Silva
Both are great fighters I’m fans of both they both have decent opponents throughout their carrers Hong Man-Choi doesn’t cut it tho imo
Huerta- Human weapon showed a very small side of SAMBO. The scoring system is vastly different from College Wrestling and is more like freestyle/greco-roman wrestling(it was considered the 3rd form of international wrestling for a while) like take downs, more points for certain throws depending on the height, type, control, etc., you also get points for a dominant position and hold downs, reversals. Very similar to wrestling. However, that is regular SAMBO, Fedor usually only competes in Combat SAMBO which allows different things to be used in a match like certain strikes etc. Almost resembling Judo match-ups. The same scoring applies but other criteria are added for the other things allowed. SAMBO, Marine Combat Training, and pankration, were all made for complete military combat so they all have similar aspects and vastly resemble modern MMA.
Anderson’s list is poor in fact his list is piss poor compared to Fedor’s i don’t buy in to him being P4P king Silva has beaten only 2 men who he will get credit for.
I do agree GSP is close to being the P4P King if he beats Penn you can not argue with that the man has beaten Trigg, Sherk, Fitch, Penn & Hughes twice already.
Fedor’s opponents records = 395-214-17 (4nc)
Tim Sylvia, Hong Man-Choi,Matt Lindland (185),Mark Hunt,Mark Coleman, Zuluzinho,Cro Cop,Tsuyoshi Kohsaka, Big Nog, Naoya Ogawa, Kevin Randleman, Yuji Nagata, Gary Goodridge, Kazayuki Fujita, Egidijus Valavicius, Heath Herring, Semmy Schilt, Chris Haseman, Les Hasdell, Ryushi Yanagisawa, Babalu, Kerry Schall, Mihail Apostolov, Ricardo Arona, Hiroya Takada, Levon Lag Vilava
Anderson Silva opponents record= 420-202-12 (3nc)
Patrick Cote, James Irvin,Dan Henderson, Rich Franklin,Nate Marquardt,Travis Lutter,Chris Leben,Tony Fryklund, Yushin Okami, Curtis Stout, Jorge Rivera, Ryo Chonan, Lee Murray,Jermey Horn, Waldir dos Anjos, Daiju Takase, Carlos Newton, Alexander Otsaka, Alex Stiebling, Roan Carneiro, Hayato Sakuri, Israel Albuquerque, Tetsuji Kato, Claudionor Fontinelle, Jose Barreto, Luiz Azeredo
That’s everyone they both have fought, combined records of opponents I didn’t add in rematches (ie Fedor has fought Big Nog 3x yet he didn’t get Nogs (31-4-1 1nc) record tallied 3x), cheers
thanx chris l so there all pretty closly related. u sound pretty knowledgable of ur military combats so remind me not to get on ur bad side lol.
Again looking through the names Fedor has had harder fighters that is what i’m arguing Silva has not fought the same caliber fighters as Fedor in some cases yes Fedor has foght Bums but wasn’t people saying Leben, Irvin and Cote were bums too.
Silva is sort of like the Joe Calzaghe of MMA he has been fighting mid level fighters and seems to enjoy being the big fish in a small pond like Joe he is super talented and easily on the best pure fighters out there but has been wasting away in a poor weight class
Again IMO he is not the P4P king i’d go Fedor due to his record but GSP a razor close second
FR,
Did you account for the losses that Anderson and Fedor gave those guys in the fights? IE, Nog has 4 losses and 1 NC, 2 losses and 1 NC were to Fedor, so maybe take those 2 losses and NC out of his record for the total? I don’t know if that makes sense or not what I’m saying or to do it…but yeah.
In regards to the P4P thing, I can see how people could argue that Fedor could be the P4P king because he has a stellar record, but I agree that the P4P title should be something that you have to continue to support your whole career and based on what guys have been saying about Fedor’s career the last few years, he hasn’t done much to support him keeping that title, while Anderson has, who else at middleweight do you Anderson to fight? He has already beat the UFC fighters in the top 10 except (5) Okami, which was a DQ. Lee Murray would be in the top 10 if he wasn’t a criminal that should be in jail. Fedor has only fought 3 guys that’s in the top 10 right now, one of them being big Timmeh and many of us don’t feel he belongs. But none recently, except for Timmeh.
I think Fedor could get down to 205 if he wanted to, in which case, if Anderson proves he can fight and win at 205 by maybe taking the belt there, it would be nice to see him and Fedor go at 205, neither of them’s natural weight, so it’s kinda like playing on a neutral field if you will.
do you want Anderson*
(5) was referring to the fact that 5 of the top 10 are UFC, not that Okami was number 5
Here u go perhaps you will get a headache from this
GSP combined opponents record = 309-102-5 1nc
Fitch,Serra,Hughes, Kos,Penn,Sherk,Trigg,Mayhem Miller,Dave Strasser,Jay Hieron,Karo, Pete Spratt,Thomas Deny,Galbrauth,Brukman,Menjivar
Same rules appy
Now you say higher caliber of opponents huh well what about Chuck? His opponents record= 457-186-14 2nc
Evans, Wanderlei, Jardine,Jackson, Ortiz, Babalu, Couture,Jemery Horn, Vernon White, Alistar Overeem,Vitor Belfort, Amar Suloev, Murilo Bustamante, Guy Mezger, Kevin Randleman, Jeff Monson, Steve Heath,Paul Jones, Kenneth Williams, Jose Landi~Jons (Pele), Noe Hernandez
Same rules, I did add Coutures loss on Saturday in there
Toughest comp goes to Yuji Nagata
Cheers enjoy
haha yeah it’s what I enjoy doing for fun and I’ve been doing SAMBO for about 6-7 years, Muay Thai for 5, and Krav Maga for 2. I cannot compete(broke my neck a few years back) so I just do it to give me something to get my mind off things.
SAMBO is technically not even a 100 years old since it was developed for the Red Army Special Ops. So you see a ton of influence from all sorts of martial arts like Judo, Pankration, Kickboxing, Jiu-Jitsu(not Brazilian the original), etc. MCT is the same way.
Oh and I’ve been trying to stay on the subject of SAMBO but I do have to say something about P4P… it’s all opinion but moreso I cannot consider someone the P4P king if he only has only one real title defense win (GSP and BJ Penn both only have one)…yet. Once GSP and BJ Penn have a defend their titles I’d put them in there but until they defend their titles more than once I think it’s premature to call them the P4P best. Until then I’m still saying Anderson Silva over Fedor just because Silva’s recent record speaks for itself and Fedor just doesn’t fight enough.
Justin very basic deal, Big Nogs record and everyones wins/loss/draw (nc) get added together colum by colum and there is the total, when an opponent shows up again I do not count that record for it has already been included in the total..
Us and chuck, you keep making the same argument, but you aren’t backing it up. You’re just repeating what others say. The problem is you lack facts. Who Fedor fought 5 years ago has no bearing on whether is the best p4p TODAY. Who has Fedor fought recently? Nobody. Who has Silva fought recently? The entire UFC middleweight division. Fedor’s 5 weak fights in the last three years against Silva’s 10 stronger fights. It’s a no-brainer.
Fedor has had 1 fight against a top-10 fighter in that time period (Sylvia). Actually, 2, if you count a top-10 middleweight Lindland but that doesn’t exactly count. Silva has had 4 (Franklin, Henderson, Okami, Marquardt).
But you’ll still say Fedor has fought bette competition and rely on fights from six to eight years ago to make your point. You are unable to support your argument so you just stick your fingers in your ears and yell “NER NER NER NER NER NER NER” until you are blue in the face. I’m done with you.
Yes FR but Chuck has lost 3 out of his last 4 Fedor, Silva & GSP have won their last 4…………so if we are using records & current form whats the point ?
Happy Tuesday to DBiz he is well rested and ready to spar yet be aware he is (for a little longer) on medical suspention, cheers
The point perhaps is that the person who has fought the toughest competiton over his carrer might not be on the most impressive role in late 2008 heading into 2009
P4p imo is a now thing not and rightnow well kinda for the last two years Anderson Silva has been the p4p guy not in just who he has fought nor how many times he has fought, yet moreso by the way he has destroyed his opponents
Dbiz you have no facts your self your just going on about Silva & GSP previous fights blah blah and dismiss Fedor because he has had easy fights OK you are a Silva fan boy i get it i’m trying to present my side yet you shoot it down because you don’t agree ?
The fact is Silva has fought no one decent apart from Hendo & Franklin twice and Fedor has beat Nog twice and a prime Cro Cop overall.
I can argue it to i’m blue in the face too if Fedor was in the UFC you would be raving about him no one gives him any credit here because he is not in the UFC.
Fedor 29-1-1
Silva 23-4-0
That is my argument FFS !
hey Us and Chuck do you realize that Marquardt(7) is ranked above Dan Henderson(8) in the middleweight sherdog rankings…don’t forget Marquardt when you count his big wins. Fedor will lay in the 2 slot until he faces AA in January and if he wins then he will edge A. Silva. It’s going to alternate with a lot from win to win really.
If Fedor dominates AA in January, then beats another top 10 guy like Werdum (arguable if he deserves to be in the top 10) or Overeem in April, then another in July or August, he could lay claim to P4P right now. Yes he’s got a great record, yes 2 years ago he was the p4p guy, yes he’s a great fighter, is he the best p4p fighter right now, maybe, but what has he done lately to prove it? A. Silva has done something recently to prove he deserves that title. If you say Fedor 4 years ago, vs. Silva right now, you have an argument, but we’re talking about right now. I think that’s where a bulk of this disagreement is coming from, and why both sides are “going in circles” Us and Chuck is arguing Fedor 4 years ago vs. Silva now, and the rest of us are talking about both of them right now.
justin is the voice of reason. justin for emperor of MMA in 09!!!
haha agreed I still want to see Fedor-Barnett, I think that is a match-up that is YEARS overdue…
Justin i’m not arguing Fedor 4 years ago i’m arguing their overall records
I have to go now work finishing before i go on current form boths last fight lets say Sylvia love him or not was possibly No 3 or 4 and where is Cote in the The MW top 10 possibly not in it.
I’ll be on here tomorrow if this still rages on
Fedor-Barnett would be nice, but they won’t do it.
But he ignored my points
didn’t even acknowledge them awww owell I mean how good can this Fedor guy be anyway he just lost a SAMBO match against a nobody goodness
Ha
I feel like, and I think some of these guys do as well, p4p is somewhat based on body of work, but also what you’ve done lately. If the body of work that supports you being p4p tapers off as you get closer to whats going on now, you start to lose grounds for the argument of p4p. The strength of Fedor’s body of work has fallen off lately, that’s why I said you were arguing Fedor 4 years ago v. A. Silva now.
It is a weighted average, honestly, and to what degree you weigh career vs recent is a subjective thing. That is also the crux of the argument, and what Justin is trying to be diplomatic about saying.
With that having been said, I’m moving on to a less contentious debate for a few days: Democrat vs. Republican.
on your second subject bsbiz…both are worthless at this point, but one more so than the other.
@Fr702,
I kind of figured it was a special event and not a police presence kind of day there…its just COPS was on here and I saw the ???Hotel??? I mentioned before.
@ Justin,
I kind of agree with you on discounting Fedor in favor of Anderson in the P4p based on the lack of challenging opponents.Tim presents a problem however one looks at it because if one doesn’t acknowledge him then you take away credit you may have given Randy. I don’t like Fedor but he handled Minotauro (albeit years ago) which puts him in a separate tier.Thankfull its just on paper.
@ everyone else,
I haven’t read a lot of the posting what is the Fedor vs Brock consensus?
Not many people have mentioned Brock, but he could be able to beat Fedor, though I don’t think right now. He’s got the physical attributes, now he’s got to get the skill set together.
That’s in a fight, not p4p, I don’t even want to bring another candidate into the p4p thing, but his career is too short right now for that anyways.
Dietrich all is well, hey as far as Brock v Fedor rightnow this very moment I would say it would be very similar to Bob Sapp v Big Nog…!! That is how I think it would turn out. in the future I dunno
i think fedor had a severe fever that day (read it from mmajuknie.com) and looked really pale and sick but just went out and performed anyways. He had to lose sometimes though, bronze medal aint that bad. Too bad for AA though, fedor might just be miffed with this and finish AA in stunning fashion just to show he’s still the best =) AA still has a shot though, dont get me wrong.
Well do not discredit Ivanov the guy is actually pretty skilled. Competing with a fever would make life difficult though. Any edge helps but that does not take away from Ivanov still pulling it off. I agree though I think this will light a fire under Fedor because of all the attention it is getting. Do not forget that AA is an extremely accomplished SAMBO guy himself so this makes for a really interesting fight. I know I will be watching.
Brock would lose to Fedor pretty handily IMO. Fedor is extremely hard to KO and once he’s on the ground he has a lot of ways to finish. He, unlike Randy, can eat a lot of punishment and keep going. I think it’d get to the 4th or 5th rounds before he gained a significant edge though. He would probably let Brock try to punch himself tired and then take over late. Then again if we are talking a year from now it’d be a really close fight. Lesnar will only get better.
yeah I do agree that the guy who beat fedor- Ivanov is one sick dude- i mean that in a good way =) He did deserve to win. I’m looking forward to seeing him in MMA too, i’m thinking with a little experience he’d be good too.
Lesnar is a beast- though i’m still not sold on him. Anyone can beat anyone on a good day in MMA. With that said, Lesnar is the future of the Heavy’s. Like to see him fight Gonzaga (who looked good in his last fight) or Carwin (another freak).
Oh yeah on Brock vs Fedor- hands down Fedor right now. In a year or two- I dunno. =)
If we’re going to take whole careers and fights years ago into account, I nominate Royce Gracie for p4p best.
@ DBiz, I’m on board with you. I didn’t see any acknowledgement towards your comments and I think they’re the most on point and reasonable.
@ fr702, It’s great to have all the stats. God knows I don’t have the time and it’s always interesting to see the numbers and names. Those can’t be fabricated or emotionalized.
@ mma_k9 My avatar is to mess with fr702 since he had some other non-competetive team avatar (another funny ha ha fr!) As for the way I speak, I choose to use words to help relate with people and build repport. I’ve been all over and don’t mind using any word in proper context. fr702 is a perfect example. We seem to get along well together. I do however refuse to sound like a thug or gangbanger because someone thinks it’s cool. That’s the sound of ignorance. As for being suspect??? I find I have nothing to hide here. Others are more comfortable being someone they are not. I don’t really care. I’m interested in the forum. So, stop flirting with me and let’s move on.
BTW, if I were English, British or whatever I would be just as proud and wouldn’t hide it. I am however a proud AMERICAN
shamrock p4p best fighter
playing =) kimbo is the best p4p =) hehe
Is Roids Gracie still active ?
OK then i nominate Ryo Chonan as the P4P best as he made Silva tap like a sissy and cry in his even more sissier voice then No2 Takase as he beat Silva too UFC No 1 Yahoo !
Silva is not comparable to Fedor Fedor’s only loss should have been a no contest as elbows were illegal in Rings and those 2 defeats aside from Okami were against cannon fodder opposition i can go on all day but lets put it to bed.
Fedor is the King IMO Andeson is the King in others as is GSP and BJ it about opinions and my opinion is Silva might be No 3 in the P4P it is an opinion i suppose if Fedor was in the UFC opinions might be different as i said some people only watch UFC and think that is all that is MMA while others love MMA world wide from Europe to Japan i fall in to the latter.
Now you’re just beint a troll.
We’ve all explained why you have your belief and why we have ours. It has nothing to do with liking the UFC more than others, it has to do with time frame.
What Fedor did 8 years ago has no bearing on how good a fighter he is in a fight today. That is the argument I have made countless times. Stop ignoring it and realize that Justin was right yesterday.
I weight the last few years heavier than you do and that is why our opinions are different. In the end, p4p best is not something that anyone will ever agree on.
And to answer your opinion that I am a Silva fan…I’m anything but and don’t even think he is the p4p best. But that was the argument I came into so I argued it. I do still have him above Fedor and until Fedor’s quality of opponents change for more than one fight, I will continue to think so.
Who and what is trolling ?
My opinion is Fedor is the best yours is Silva or who ever i’m not telling you to like Fedor your saying he fought no one of late but Lindland is a great fighter and is a top wrestler OK he was blown up so will be Penn against GSP and didn’t Randy fight Brock recently with around the same weight disadvantage ?
Choi is a top K-1 fighter no one credits him for that & Tim Tim is a top HW fighter he has fought good fighters but he is that good.
Silva has beat Hendo a great win no doubt and beat supposed bums Cote & Irvin so in comparison both have had a great win and arguably 2 lesser wins.
See where i went with that on current form they are equal in terms of quality and yes GSP does blow both out the water by beating Fitch, Serra & Hughes in terms of quality of opponents but Fedor is the best overall package as fighter he has a granite chin top level wrestling & submission on highly underrated striking.
Again my opinion and on current form IMO
The troll comment was based on your statement that “as i said some people only watch UFC and think that is all that is MMA while others love MMA world wide from Europe to Japan i fall in to the latter.”
That implies that anyone with a different opinion only watches the UFC and doesn’t enjoy MMA as a whole but rather only enjoys the UFC. That may not be what you intended to say, but it is what that statement implies. It is a troll statement, just as much as the insinuation that Randy took a dive the other night is a troll statement.
OK i get it now what i was saying though that a lot of people only care about UFC and not other MMA groups not and follow the sports other groups and just the UFC it was not a dig just some people not everyone base opinions solely on UFC fighters.
I can’t be bothered with this anymore lets move on……..
Ok, but I’m not kissing you when we make up.
No chance of it after watch Heath Herring vs Yoshihiro Nakao i know better not to….
[sarcasm]Aww, guys, its ok, Nate Quarry and Demian Maia kissed after their fight, and that didn’t look gay at all. [/sarcasm]
Sorry for the delay getting back online car wreck issues…(All is well now…)
Sapp is a good comparison to Brock but I would have to give the edge to Brock as a better athlete than Bob ever was or ever will be. I know people say Brock’s punches/strikes look bad but they never will look that great. It just comes from being that big a person…And it does not help that so much video exists of him performing stage combat. It is like Arnold learning Karate for Commando back in the day, Or Dolph Lundgren throwing a round kick…Some things just don’t film well given the physicality involved.
I think Brock has the better training camp too. Barnett and Hume could only do so much with Sapp…
Just my two cents. Have a great afternoon…