UFC 89 “Bisping vs. Leben” Recap: Bisping, Jardine Score Decision Victories
Middleweight contender Michael Bisping extended his 185-pound win streak to three-straight on Saturday night, defeating challenger Chris Leben via unanimous decision in the main event of UFC 89 “Bisping vs. Leben” in front of a sold out crowd at the National Indoor Arena in Birmingham, England.
Despite entering the bout in his best physical and mental shape of his career, Leben pressed forward but was unable to connect with his knockout power, while Bisping employed a perfect strategy to top Leben on the judge’s scorecards, avoiding Leben’s power while countering with precision strikes.
Leben opened the bout aggressively with leg kicks but Bisping took control midway through the close opening round, countering with punches and bloodying the nose of his opponent. In the second it was all Bisping, who dodged Leben’s attacks while carefully countering with punches. In the close final round (which MMAFrenzy.com scored in favor of Leben), a desperate Leben was again aggressive, chasing Bisping down with wild strikes, but was unable to score a knockout.
The judges rendered a unanimous decision victory in favor of Bisping with scores of 30-27, 30-27, and 29-28 in favor of the English fighter.
With the win Bisping improved to 17-1 on his career, including a perfect 3-0 record at 185-pounds, and moved closer to a middleweight title shot, though when questioned on a potential title fight after the victory, Bisping said he feels he needs several more wins over quality opponents before he’d be prepared for the middleweight title holder.
Up next for Bisping is a stint as a coach on The Ultimate Fighter 9 with a key middleweight matchup against Dan Henderson or Rich Franklin looming in 2009.
The obviously-improved Leben dropped to 18-5 in the loss, but was gracious in defeat, thanking the UK fans and Bisping for a fight he called the most-enjoyable of his career, despite being a losing effort.
In the co-main event of the evening, Keith Jardine defeated Brandon Vera via split decision after three close rounds. After a exchanging early, Jardine captured the first round with a takedown and ground and pound, escaping a near-submission by the Jiu Jitsu brown belt to punctuate the round with a late-flurry of strikes. Vera countered by winning the second with a knee-buckling kick and better striking, but Jardine rebounded to win the final frame on two of the judge’s scorecards to take the split decision with scores of 29-28, 29-28, and 28-29.
Despite losses in two of his last five fights, the win moves Jardine, now 14-4-1 on his career, back into the light heavyweight title picture with wins over current light heavyweight title-holder Forrest Griffin, former champion Chuck Liddell, and now the former heavyweight contender Vera in three of his last five.
Vera, suffering his third loss in his last four bouts inside the octagon, saw his record drop to 9-3 in the loss, including a 1-1 mark at 205-pounds.
In other main card action, Luiz Cane stopped Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou for the “Knockout of the Night” with strikes late in the second round, Chris Lytle and Paul Taylor went toe-to-toe in the “Fight of the Night” with Lytle walking away with a controversial unanimous decision win (29-28, 30-27, 29-28), and Marcus Davis submitted Paul Kelly via guillotine choke midway through the second round in the first televised bout of the evening.
The wins likely line up Davis and Lytle for an early-2009 meeting at UFC 93 in Ireland.
Lytle, Taylor, Cane, and Davis each took home an extra $40,000 bonus for their efforts.
On the preliminary card, Dan Hardy topped Akihiro Gono via split decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28), Shane Carwin pounded out Neil Wain early in the first round, David Bielkheden defeated Jess Liaudin via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 30-27), Terry Etim topped Sam Stout via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 30-27), Jim Miller earned “Submission of the Night” honors by choking out David Baron with a rear naked choke midway through the third round, and Per Eklund forced Samy Schiavo to submit to a rear naked choke early in the third round of the opening bout of the evening.
The UFC’s next event is just one week away as the promotion returns to the US and heads to Chicago, Illinois for UFC 90 “Silva vs. Cote”. The middleweight title will be on the line in the main event as UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva battles top contender Patrick Cote. Welterweights Josh Koscheck and Yoshiyuki Yoshida are set to clash in the evening’s co-main event.
As always, MMAFrenzy.com will have extensive live coverage of UFC 90 “Silva vs. Cote” on Saturday, October 25th.
UFC 89 “BISPING VS. LEBEN” OFFICIAL RESULTS
- Michael Bisping def. Chris Leben via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 29-28)
- Keith Jardine def. Brandon Vera via split decision (28-29, 29-28, 29-28)
- Luiz Cane def. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou via TKO (strikes) — Round 2, 4:15
- Chris Lytle def. Paul Taylor via unanimous decision (29-28, 30-27, 29-28)
- Marcus Davis def. Paul Kelly via submission (guillotine choke) — Round 2, 2:16
- Dan Hardy def. Akihiro Gono via split decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28)
- Shane Carwin def. Neil Wain via TKO (strikes) — Round 1, 1:31
- David Bielkheden def. Jess Liaudin via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 30-27)
- Terry Etim def. Sam Stout via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 30-27)
- Jim Miller def. David Baron via submission (rear naked choke) — Round 3, 3:19
- Per Eklund def. Sammy Schiavo via submission (rear naked choke) — Round 3, 1:47
Tags: Akihiro Gono, Brandon Vera, Chris Leben, Chris Lytle, Dan Hardy, David Baron, david bielkheden, Jess Liaudin, jim miller, Keith Jardine, Luiz Cane, Marcus Davis, Michael Bisping, neil wain, Paul Kelly, Paul Taylor, Per Eklund, Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou, Sam Stout, Sammy Schiavo, shane carwin, Terry Etim
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I wonder…is Bisping still going to be over rated??? I love it.
You know what??? Bisping played Lebens stand up game and picked him apart. He had a game plan and stuck to it. Awesome.
Yes Bisping is still overrated…he all but admitted that he wasn’t ready for a title shot, he admited he wasn’t trying to win, he was trying to get a decision. Leben gave him free shots at the end to prove he lacked power and only won by running around the ring and getting a few more shots in due to his reach.
He is still overrated.
Oh and Brandon Vera won that fight against Jardine. I believe there may have been some foul play setup if a split decision was imminent. Just my opinion.
HA HA BOO YA ALL YOU GUYS HATING ON BISPING AND HE SHUT ALL YOU GUYS UP. I LOVE IT AND IM NOT FROM ENGLAND. YO DANNYBOY STOP MAKING MAKING EXCUSES… AND JARDINE WON THAT FIGHT… STOP ****ING ****ING..
Leben did get picked apart, but he never stopped moving forward, that does count toward agression but not enough to win the fight the way he was getting tagged. I liked his hands down “hit me” poses. It was as if he was saying “yea your hitting me but you cant hurt me”. Did I hear Biping at the post fight say somthing close to the effect that his game plan was to win a decision?
As I expected I learned a lot from the Bisping fight. He is a very good striker, Leben is much improved. I look forward to seeing both fight again. Bisping also showed that he is in fact not ready for Silva. I was disappointed in his inability to finish the fight, but not many people can finish Leben, particularly not with strikes. Agree with the decision.
The Vera fight was disappointing as well. I wanted Vera to win that fight, and he did not move in at all and try to take advantage at all when he buckled Jardine’s knee, biggest mistake of the whole fight for him. I don’t take much away from Vera for losing this fight though, Jardine got owned in his last fight so he was due to win again, Vera should ask for an immediate rematch so he can knock him out in less than a minute, like Alexander and Silva did to him, otherwise someone else will get that honor. Definitely don’t disagree with that decision though.
Sokoudjou needs to work on his conditioning, and maybe try using that 2nd degree black belt in Judo.
Cris Lytle did okay, but many other people at that weight class would pick him apart, way too sloppy.
Davis looked really good in this fight.
Ed,
he said “My game plan was to come in here and get a unanimous decision.”
Leben was the constant aggressor. Quite a few of his shots rocked Bisping and had him running. Plus he scored a takedown. None of Bisping shots really hurt Leben. It only looked bad. The area around the eyes bruise easier. Leben won I don’t care what anybody says. Hamill also beat Bisping in England. The judges were biased then and now. England sucks.
I never want to see another fight from England. The fans are disrespectful with there booing. I can’t wait for UK vs. USA Ultimate fighter. I predict a clean sweep. I really can’t describe how strongly I feel about how bad England sucks. A nation of effiminate snobs. I going for some tea and strumpets.
Brandon,
You’re dead wrong about Leben winning, I don’t even think it was close. Damage helps when its a close fight, but when one person (Bisping) is basically able to land strikes on the other person at will, and also avoid strikes from that person, they win. While I agree that some of the booing was uncalled for, and unnecessary we’ve seen the same thing from US fans at times. Don’t start the UK vs US crap. Also, in regards to the Hamill fight, yes Hamill won, but it was the two American judges that scored the fight in Bisping’s favor, and the Britt judge that gave it to Hamill. The judges in the Evans/Bisping fight got in a make up call though so its okay. The moral of both of those stories, don’t leave it to the judges.
One final thing, even Leben admitted he got beat.
Still a Leben fan after that fight, Bisping was trying to be a very poor Lyoto Machida act at least Lyoto can finish a fight. Bisping is still a punk for saying that he was trying to win a decision, people want to see finishes not decisions, hands down.
Luiz Cane looked like he could of beat either Jardine or Vera tonight
I thought Leben won that fight. Leben was the aggressor, he was chasing after Bisping the whole fight.
Leben got 2 take downs and rocked Bisping a few times. All Bisping did was jab and box.
Leben was classy after the fight and wasn’t a sore loser and I respect that.
Dang I was rooting for Leben, he is the man. I think he needs to drop down to Welterweight he is outsized as a middleweight. That was a great night of fights, but too many dang commercials!
I was very impressed with Leben. His attitude and sportsmanship were top-notch. He was aggressive, always moving forward, and even scored a nice takedown. Plus, he looked to be in the best shape of his life. There’s no doubt about it, Leben was the more entertaining fighter. I can’t wait to see him fight again.
Having said that, Bisping used his reach-advantage very well and definitely inflicted the more damage. I was impressed with his performance right up until he admitted that his game-plan was to win a decision — I mean really, that’s such a negative way of fighting. Nobody likes to see fights go to the judges. Anybody who fights for a decision is eventually going to come unstuck.
I still think that Bisping won the fight, although I don’t think Leben was ever in any danger of being finished. Actually, I kind of wish they’d bent the rules and made this a five-rounder.
-Matt
Bisping did what he needed to do to win. He avoided Leben’s hard hands and inflicted damage. It was a smart game plan. I’m not surprised that some people still wont give Bisping the props he deserves though.
Okay, I am a HUGE Leben fan and was rooting for him 100% in this fight. I really wanted him to win, but to be honest he didn’t. Bisping had much better footwork and movement and landed many more shots. While Leben’s punches were a lot more powerful, he didn’t land enough, or ‘the one’. Leben needs to stick to his new gameplan of boxing and not simply stand and trade. While it does work for him a great deal of the time, it doesn’t always. If he would just work on using his jab, doubling and trippling that up to set-up his massive left hand he would be a 127% better fighter. He showed marked improvement with his leg kicks, although past the first round he seemed to forget about them and be content with throwing hands.
Bisping won, people need to stop digging on the guy, he is a GREAT fighter, not ready for a title shot yet, even by his own admission, but certainly on his way. Showed that he really does have a great chin, just needs to work some on his power.
On the other hand the other fighter i was rooting for, Brandon Vera just flat out pissed me off. This guy has not had a decent fight in the UFC since he KO’d Mir back at UFC 65. He was pathetic last night to be honest. He simply did NOT throw anywhere’s near enough strikes. I don’t think i saw a single combination from him. All that talk about wanting to finish the fight was pure B.S. I am a fan, but he’s making it difficult with these four lack-luster performances. He doesn’t throw hands, he doesn’t throw kicks or knees, i don’t know how he expects to win these fights. Smiling at your opponent alone will NOT do it, that’s for sure, last night proved it.
Yes Bisping is still overated. I have never heard of a game plan to go to a decision in my life,wtf? Without the home town judges Bisping ain’t
sh!t. When is this guy going to fight outsude of Europe. The last time he did he got spanked by Rashad Evans. OVERATED.
paul taylor vs lytle was the only good fight. i am sick of vera and bisbing they both suck and he may of won last night but im not sure he even won a round against matt hammell.
timcat,
Actually the last time Bisping fought outside of Europe he beat Charles McCarthy. His game plan was to box with Leben and use his technical striking to counter Leben’s big sloppy punches. Everyone knows that Leben has a great chin so going for the one punch knockout would have been a bad idea. While I obviously wanted to see a KO, Bisping did the smart thing and won the fight because of it.
Now YZF..I wasn’t saying Leben won like others were. I clearly think Bisping won the fight. But the question I was answering was “Is he still overrated?” The answer to that question is YES.
Anyone who runs around the ring and then ADMITTING he was only trying for a decision gets a thumbs down in my book. England fans should be ashamed of him after admitting that. I have zero against England and love their country and their people. Michael Bisping just happens to be one I am not a fan of. His wussy attitude was apparent last night.
However, Leben did lose the fight. A 70″ reach at Middleweight does not help him…as someone else said, he needs to drop a weightclass.
However I still stand by my decision on Vera. Vera won that fight, period.
As for the other brit that fought…yikes he got owned by Marcus Davis and the brit’s fighting style was as ugly as McCain’s tongue.
Timcat, er canada is not in europe
Dannyboy your last comment explains a lot.
Assuming your comment wasn’t sarcasm Surfingk5, I appreciate it. I would never want to convey a hatred or even a dislike towards England. I have a few friends who live there and absolutely LOVE the country. In fact, if somehow G.W. Bush “rewrote” the rules and won a 3rd term as President, England would be the country I’d move to.
I understand that people want to see an action packed fight, I am the same. I wanted to see an explosive fight but come on and admit it. Was anyone expecting an all out brawl? I for one wasn’t.
There is nothing wrong with having a game plan to take you to a decision! Nothing at all. If you don’t think you have a chance at Knocking the the guy out, then what are you supposed to do? Let him beat you? NO! Get a clue people.
With a one dimensional fighter like Leben, you have to be smart, use your brain. You cant just go wading in because the fans want to see it. After all. The fans arnt the ones that will be with you at the hospital if you suffer an injury. The fans arnt the ones that will take a punch for you, your in the all on your own. YOU HAVE TO BE SMART. Its fighting.
Now why is everyone being so over protective of a fighter who is such a gimmick? I have a lot of respect for Leben, but having only “one string to your bow” makes it very tough for you to fight and more importantly, WIN!!!!
I knew we would hear all this crap about Bisping “running”. He did his Job in there. Now Kalib Starnes last fight in the UFC was a masterclass of running. What Bisping did last night was BOXED! He simply hit without being hit.
Have any of you ever been in a fight? I don’t mean a **** ass little fight behind Burger King or in the School Playground. I mean a real competition fight? I have been in loads and can tell you that “If you don’t fight smart, you will lose dumb”!
Now while I don’t agree with Bisping being over-rated, I would like to see him in a real test. Having watched many of his fights here in England I know that there is more to come. I DO NOT think… in fact I KNOW he is not ready of Anderson Silva anytime soon.
Lay off the guy, Let him grow as a fighter and then when he starts getting better opponents, then you can slag him down. But to run down a fighter who is not a main contender is just dumb on all your parts.
People always tell us fighters what to do and how to do it, but we are the ones that have to be in there, we have to feel the pain, feel the pressure and deal with the situations. Bisping wouldn’t tell you how to do your Job, so let him get on with his. He’ll work out any problems in his own way and time.
No way Brandon Vera win the fight **** that **** !
Jardine give all he had and Vera did nothing at all. The fight sucked in general but im happy with the win for Jardine.
Vera has a long road to come back in the top contender game.
I was pleased for Jardine too
I do agree that Bisping fought a smart fight, and that he won the fight fair and square. But fighting for a decision is a dangerous tactic — and it could easily backfire depending on the judges.
But I guess you have to give the guy credit for being honest and stating his game-plan. And I also respect him for admitting that he’s not quite ready for a title fight.
-Matt
I agree with pretty much everything Ryan said in that long one. I think to the normal person’s expectations of Bisping he it not over rated. The guys that say he could take out Silva if that was his next fight are over rating him.
In regard to having a game plan of going to a decision, while I would have liked to see Bisping go for a finish, Leben’s fight with Martin showed that to be a very dangerous thing to try for. The decision to go for a decision is a matter of respect for the finishing power of your opponent.
Finally!!! Thank you Justin! Well said
I admit my former comments were a little harsh. I was upset and a little drunk. I was a Vera fan but his performance was pathetic. Bisping’s performance though smart was a let down as well. He scored jabs but none of them had Leben in any danger whatsoever. Chris Leben was the aggressor the entire entire time. He made the fight exciting. Some comments above about trying not to get hit being smart, maybe so. But if he doesn’t like getting hit he should have stayed in. Without fans watching them they have nothing. There primary goal should be to entertain the fans. The ref will stop anyone from being seriously injured. Look how much more dangerous and exciting fighters are when they are not scared of losing and just go out there and have some fun. When losing gets in there head they stop fighting well ex. (Sokodjou, Houston Alexander, Brandon Vera).
Wow, there are some absolute morons in here!
There’s plenty of room for one more.
really enjoyed ma 3rd ufc,thot bisping leben was close but bisping just edged it.vera pissed me off,just looked like he was holding something back let your hands go man!hardy cane impressed me and gono’s entrance was bizarre to say the least
Bisping is still an overrated punk. He hasn’t “beaten” anyone yet (No he did NOT beat Hamil. He got awarded the decision for whatever reason…) He got beat when he fought one of the top fighters (Evans).
I’m American and I don’t hate Bisping because he isn’t American.. I hate him because all his fans try to put lipstick on that pig trying to make him the best thing since sliced bread. He sucks.
The biggest reason I hate him is when he got his a** beat by Hamil he still came out and talked sh!t as if he actually won, when in reality he got some home town judging.
Bisping executed his game plan perfectly. GREAT JOB!!! However, that style of fighting/game plan will not get him far in the division. How does Bisping handle a guy like Marquardt or Hendo who will push and shoot for the takedown like there is no tomorrow? What does Bisping do against Anderson when the cage is cut off and he catches a kick or gets locked up in the clinch? Bisping got past Leben with a great game plan but by no means did Bisping show anything other than he is a very good counter puncher in last nights fight. I do not want to take anything away from Bisping. I just want to see him engage with fighters of Leben’s status. I cannot help but question Bisping’s willingness to really get into a war. Bisping is a good fighter but as of now he is not going anywhere fast. His being a “star” in the Engalnd will only get him so far. Fighting Leben was Bispings chance to move himself up a notch. He may have beat Leben but did not move up **** in my opinion.
I agree with KOuch there.
He did what he needed to do on the night but is a long way from being a contender.
Justin and RyanMoney, way to glorify being a p*ssy. This is MMA not olympic boxing, where you score points with precision strikes. If you can’t finish him standing up, you take your opponent to the ground and finish him there. I think Bisping might of shot for one take down the whole fight and he didn’t even try to use his “Best ground and pound” that he always talks about. Yes, Bisping won one of the most dissapointing fights i’ve seen since Vera/Jardine, but before that it might be Starnes running from an ass whooping.
Well put KOuch, I still think Leben would match up better against a Marquardt, Lietes, Maia, or a Kampmann then Bisping.
Bisping will be nothing more than a gate keeper if he keeps on fighting the way he did last night.
Bisping stuck to a gameplan and it paid off. Who cares about entertaining the fans, winning is what matters. Bisping won, where’s the argument?
B Free
What you have just said is total crap. Just because its MMA does not mean that you HAVE to finish a fight!
I’m not even gonna waste my time trying to explain it to you. Let someone else.
When there are people like Dana out there trying to prove that MMA fighters are not crazy street fighters and that the sport is not human cock fighting…, there are “fans” like you that are saying that just because this is MMA and not Olympic Boxing, we should see some knockouts and people putting it on the line! Yes, that’s what I’m saying, even MMA fighters have to be sensible.
Maybe Bisping should have stood in Lebens face and just waited to be knocked out, that would have been great for us to see. But what good would it have done for Bisping who is trying to make Money! Trying to move up the ranks.?????
I believe that Bisbing’s gameplan to win by ud was chicken shhhh yet it seemed he did enough to win on points but never pissed Leben off enough to get ko’d… Leben allowing Bisbing to take “free” shots was entertaining as F#ck. Just hearing that Bisbings wanted to win by ud is irritating as hell.
Soko has nooooo gas tank, Cane ehh I don’t see him going to the top of the 205 division.
When Vera kicked Jardine in the knee and that sh!t bent backwards Vera should have kept with the leg kicks that would have ended the fight, I don’t believe that Vera has that “killer” instinct… I found the Jardine Vera fight entertaining yet both lookd pretty sloppy, and I didn’t think that fight would go to a decision.. Vera is not a elite LHW rightnow imo…
I don’t get some of you people. It’s a free country and you can watch MMA for any reason you want but most of us like to see fights finished. Leben was the aggressor and Leben was more exciting. Bisping scored more but jab and run is not exciting to me. It won’t help Bisping at all when he fights the top guys at 185. The jab is a great weapon to set other things up but should not be used as one’s only line of defense. I like Chris Leben but I’m not stupid and realize he is a gatekeeper of the MW division. If Bisping can’t beat top opponents more decisively he won’t be holding a title anytime soon.
As I stated many times over, the UK UFC PPVs are boring. Nothing exciting and not the top fighters. The Affliction PPV and the 1st and 3rd CBS Elite XC were far superior to any UK UFC. No one would have paid for this one. It was good, but only as good as Spike TV’s UFC Fight Nights. Leban was the aggressor and should have won. This reminds me of Bising vs. Hammill. That should have gone to Hammil also.
“far supeior”?? Ehh I’m going with no on that one.. ProElitle wishes that they could put on bad card such as UFC89 and Affliction ya I’m still waiting for their 2nd card.. UFC89 wasn’t the best collection of fights I agree but com’on it wasn’t that bad to compare it to anything ProElite has put out there (and yes I’m saying the entire ProElite family not just EliteXC)
I believe that the UFC is held to such high standards that when u don’t have 5 ko’s in 5 fights everyone gets a bit pissy. If the UFC had the main event of Tank Abbott v Kevin Fergouson 6 monts ago on a free card everyone would be pissed and saying how much they suck yada yada.. ProElite is not a better product than the UFC bottom line never will be and last nights ****ty card was better than ProElite any day
Affliction, I’m still waiting for the next event, atleast UFC allows the oppritunity to watch “new” MMA atleast once a month..
Oh RyanMoney
Did you notice that Bisping/Leben didn’t get the fight of the night honors? Maybe if Bisping engaged Leben a little more than jab-jab-run-jab-jab-run-jab-jab-right straight-run and repeat he would of got a bigger purse.
Yeah Bisping might of moved up a notch or two in standings but since he didn’t push himself to the limit he didn’t get an extra $40000 in his pocket and won’t get recongnized for having a great fight on cable tv around the world infront of millions of fans, where he could get endorsements deals everywhere(not just the UK) and made millions in t-shirts, action figures, hell maybe even a role in a crappy action movie, etc. So where is the money in not finishing an exciting fight?
And if he would of have had a great fight he would of shut up all of his critics, which he obvisiosly did looking at this site alone and gained hundreds more compared to gaining fans. What was your point again?
oh my bad i meant didn’t shut up his critics, sorry i blame my inferior american edumacation compared to Britain.
I think people are missing what an exciting fight it was, I’d was rooting for Michael but Chris looked dangerous every second. I was on the edge of my seat. I found an exciting tactical battle with I felt Michael won because of the skill that he displayed. There’s a part of me that wants to see a brutal knockout and a good slogan replay. But to be honest that’s kids stuff.
One word, rematch.
Well said B Free. RyanMoney is full of crap. I thought the fight was only exiting because of Chris Leben. He was throwing bombs. I also liked how he dropped his hands and let Bissping hit him. He made the statement that while Bisping can outscore with his crummy jab he’ll never be able to hurt him.
Just another boring UK night of fights, drier than a popcorn fart with little action. Bisping claims he wants to give the fans a great show and in the same breath says he was just aiming for a decision. Im ready for the UFC to head to Brazil where some real bad ass fighters are, this UK thing is an experiment gone wrong and after this event i will be shocked if Enland gets another for a long time. Vera did not help the night with another lacklustre performance, thats 3 in a row for him, he’s done.
first off i dont know who i hate more bisvagina or dannyboy, he has no idea what he is talking about. micheal bisbing got knocked silly by eric schaffer and elvis s. everyone knows he is such a vagina he does not want to get hit, evans beat him hammil beat him and got robbed. thalies laties, nate m.,martin kampman, nate quarry,patrick cote, and anderson silva would all beat him 80 percent of the time. gsp,diego sanchez,jon fitch and josh koscheck would handle him also and they are 170.i have never voted and never will,everyone knows hillary was the best for the office because she is aleast as smart as both of them and she is not to old or a risk to all our safety. anyway you should still have respect for people who risked the lives for all of us and definately loves this country.you should leave the bs off this website.and ufc should leave bisbing and vera off the fights that we see.
This fight was more like a gentlemens evening of boxing and lacked what seperates MMA from Boxing, you know the exciting stuff, Leben did try and has shown improvement.
all you guys just hate bisping..why??? he won that fight clearly! All you keep saying is leben is the more exciting fighter..exciting he walked forward and got his face smashed for 15 minutes. Why stand infront of leben and stand and trade with him..leben has knockout power so surely if bisping did that he’d get kocked out therefore a loss therefore slip down the rankings. Stop hating on him because he fought a smart fight. Stop hating on England because we boo a little and calling us snobs…what are you talking about.
also u say this was boxing and all the bisping haters keep wining about it…did u all do this when bj jabbed his way to a win against sherk?
The only reason you like Bisping is because he from England. Everyone he fought on TUF couldn’t make it in the UFC. Anyone he fights who is good he can’t finish. You guys need another poster boy because Bisping will never hold a title. Get mad if you want to but in a few more years and Bisping is still on the mid card or out all together I’ll be overjoyed to say I told you so.
Some of you are nuts, maybe instead of bashing Bisping you could suggest that maybe Leben needed a better gameplan, he didnt do anything besides throw left hands the whole fight. He didnt look good at all. Bisping knows he is not a power puncher and Leben has a good chin, so having a gameplan to outpoint Leben is very smart. You know why Leben had his hands down and wanted Bisping to hit him? Because he’s an idiot, he was losing the fight clearly and instead of trying to actually turn that around he’s more interesting in trying to show up his opponent. The guy is a loser, always has been. He’s a hothead who talks and acts like he can beat anyone, except he has a real lack of talent. Yeah he can get lucky and catch someone every now and then, but thats only gonna take him so far. Also, I knew he had no chance of winning once I saw his awful hair, get real Chris. Another thing is Brandon Vera should start getting ready for his Affliction or Elite debut, the guy needs to change something in his gameplan cause he is sliding fast.
knightboy not sure what you’re talking about, but you just agreed with what I said about Bisping… if I offended you somehow, I apologize. Hate is such a strong word, and is what I feel is wrong with American politics today. Having a laugh over a picture of someone works both ways in politics. Here’s one of the other side since it bugs you so much. However, this is more about Bisping than anything else, and you agreed with me on that…so let’s move on.
Did anyone notice RyanMoney trying to justify Bisping’s actions by saying Leben is a “one dimensional fighter?” Uh, what? Yes, he said, “With a one dimensional fighter like Leben, you have to be smart, use your brain.” which is a total oxymoronic statement. One dimensional fighters, as you call them, tend to be easier because you only have to worry about one aspect of their game.
Calling Leben a “one dimensional fighter” is disrespectful and, IMO, wrong. However, let’s say he is…then this makes the case against Bisping even more devastating. His “plan” was to eek out a decision and move on to the next guy. That’s about as wussy of a plan as I’ve heard from any fighter in the UFC, EVER. Didn’t you hear the smack talk he was saying to Leben in pre-fight interviews? I believe “knocking his head off” is not the same gameplan as, “my plan was to win a unanimous decision.” It’s utterly ridiculous and just gave any other fighter facing him a confidence that wasn’t there before. If I know that a guy is going to just try for a decision, I will likely change my gameplan when fighting him/her.
From all the pre-fight smack talk, Leben was under the impression that Bisping was gonna bring it… he didn’t…and as someone stated earlier, he never made Leben mad enough to really lay into him. While I blame Leben for that, I still find Bisping’s strategy silly and thus, his “overrated” status holds true.
Rashad beat Liddell…I doubt Bisping could beat Marquart or Hendo and not even come close to Silva, which at least you admitted. I’m a huge Monson and Freeman fan…but I doubt you’d EVER hear that they were purposely “fighting for a decision” come out of their mouth in a post-fight interview by Joe Rogan.
Rashad won my respect by beating Liddell. He danced around similar to Bisping but finished the fight because HIS gameplan was to BRING IT. Bisping’s plan never included knocking out or submittnig Leben. Sorry, but in my book, that equals WUSSY.
Yikes, sorry so long…
Oh and Pete90…BJ Penn was always pressing the action with Sherk. He wasn’t dancing around him and running away when Sherk came forward. You should really watch the fights back to back and then try and make that comparison. BJ’s fight with Sherk was exciting. Bisping/Leben was not.
OK, I’m a piece of crap speaking the truth?.
I have never claimed to like Bisping. Just because I’m from England does not mean I like him. I hate his attitude. I really like GOOD, respectful fighters such as GSP, Guida, Couture, Florian, etc. Bisping doesn’t even come in my top 20 of my favourite fighters.
B Free. What does fight of the night honours have to do with anything that I have on this page? Everyone knows this wouldn’t have been fight of the night because everyone knew what Bisping had to do if he wanted a win. He had to stick and move. WTF does action figures have to do with it.
IM like all of you, I would love to see Bisping give a performance that we can all say, “wow, he gave it his all” or “****, Bisping looked sick”
Fact is, if your not confident about the guy your fighting, then you have to work out a game plan that gets you through it by any means possible.
I can take a great punch, nothing seems to get me, but If I fought Leben, i wouldn’t wanna get hit either. If Bisping got in there and was willing to take a few of his shots then it could ruin Bispings winning streak and I would wanna do the easiest thing possible against a hitter like Chris.
Another thing. Leben wasn’t pissed with the fight. If he was, he would have complained after all, it is Leben! lol
I don’t care who didn’t or did get fight of the night, I’m just saying that Bisping did what he had to do.
I think Bispings method of Stick and Move was a great show of respect to Leben. He knew the guy had power and didn’t want any of it.
I hope to see a better Bisping in the future. I will go on to record to say tho that I do not think he will ever be UFC Middleweight Champ.
DannyBoy
Your right, I used to term “One Dimensional” in the wrong sentence. Just an error. He is one dimensional though. Please tell me how he is not DannyBoy.
Both of them are one dimensional.
My point, RyanMoney, was that even if he IS a one dimensional fighter, it makes him eeking out a decision even worse. Considering Bisping always brags about his “ground and pound” skills, you would think he would have done more damage on the ground when he couldn’t KO him standing up.
Leben has excellent take down defense and has won more than a couple fights via submission. He’s not one dimensional because he doesn’t just have his left, he has a killer chin, great takedown defense and some submission skills.
ryan money guida may seem nice but he can be a classless punk sometimes…..look at the sherdog article leben vs bisping the pros pick in it clay guida says micheal bisping is the most overrated tuf winner there is…which in my opinion you dont say about soemone and i dont think thats true he has lost one fight against rashad who is going to be champ soon i guarenttee…if any tuf winner is overrated it would definitly have to be matt serra or kendall grove
Gunslinger, i never read that article on Guida, I’m surprised.
I see what your saying Dannyboy. I cant answer why he didn’t take him down to the mat to work on him. All I could say is either maybe he wanted to try and beat him at his own spoken about game or he thought that it was what the fans wanted to see. I cant say what he was thinking, all I said is that he fought a smart fight.
i saying you dont know what your talking about because vera did not win at all. and only people from england overrated the count. we all knew he sucked so how can he still be overated when everyone i know can see he hasnt done anything good tuf. and im just sick of hearing election ****. i would never want to deal with what bush had to deal with. katrina,attacks peolple like barney frank and others leading us down the wrong path. dem. and rep. both dont look out for us so dont bring that crap in here.
well all can agree bisiping and vera are boring fighters when they have to fight anyone who is good its all true they pull a kalib starnes booo on them
RyanMoney, the reason I even got in this debate with you was because you said, “Get a clue people.” I took this to include me since I was one of the more vocal previous posts.
I may not be a professional fighter, but I know professional fights. I see them live, watch every HDNet event, Affliction, EliteXC, Strikeforce, WEC, UFC, etc, etc, etc… so I may not be right all the time…but I certainly have a “clue.”
Anyway, we’ll just agree to disagree on whether it was an exciting fight.
knightboy, you seem angry with a chip on your shoulder…no sense talking to ya…
this fight went exactly as i thought it would, except for the end where leben just said **** it and took those shots. i thought that right there showed exactly where bisping is in the game. good enough to win but unable to really handle a dangerous opponent. he is overated and i think this fight had him realizing how overhyped he is. the whole time he was backin off even when he was landing big shots. yes i know that that was a strategy and alot of guys use it, but even counter strikers go in for the kill unless they know they can only win via decision. now just cuz i hate him and think he’s overrated doesn’t mean i think he sucks. he’s obviously a good 185er but i think this showed that he’s got at least a couple more big guys to beat till he gets whooped by silva.. and i’m glad he admitted to it. and although he earned the loss, i have a new found respect for leben just for takin those shots and puttin on a great show.
Does it matter at all that Leben said he lost? Once again I say, Bisping had a game plan based on the type of fighter Leben is. They all do it. Who has knocked out Leben??? As far as I know Anderson Silva is the only one. I think his psudo Machida game plan worked fantastically. Bisping chose his shots and picked Leben apart.
I have also said before he is a quick learner and is always adapting. Some of you have some double standards you need to check. Game plan changes with each fight. You hear it all the time. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. This time Bisping had a better game plan than Leben.
Is he ready for Silva??? Who the hell is?
As for Brandon Vera…I think he’s lost the heart for it. He doesn’t have that look in his eye he used to. It’s unfortunate, as he used to be one of my favorites.
Glad to see Marcus Davis win. Great fight as expected from him.
What are you even talking about Dannyboy?
I stand by everything I said, but go back and read my posts and tell me when I said it was an exciting fight. I didn’t mind the fight, but it wasn’t exciting. Jeez. That’s how arguments start on here. People either not reading things correctly, making things up or being totally blind to the fact of what has happened.
I’m sure you do know your stuff Dannyboy and I respect that, but what I mean is that until you step into a ring or cage you will never understand what its like to be in that situation. Lots of people watching, constant cheering, the only thing you can hear is your ears ringing from the noise, pain all around your body, sweat running in your eyes, making sure you keep both eyes on the opponent at all times and not letting him see you working him out or showing him that your hurt. All that has to be taken into consideration during a fight. What fans think during a fight hardly goes through the head of a fighter. Its a totally **** environment for your sense’s to be in. Its like the term “Back Seat Driver!”
Last time I’m stating this:
:::Bisping did what he had to do to ensure himself a win.
:::Bisping will not get far as he is at this period in time.
:::The fight was not an exciting fight but it was a great fight to see someone take a game plan and use it! What ever the game plan was.
That’s it, I wont be going back on what I have said. My knowledge has got me very far in the sport and it will not be changing now.
Get it, Got it, Good! lol. no hard feelings towards anyone.
FR702,
All I’m saying about Affliction and the 1st and 3rd CBS ELite XC it lived up to the hype. I love the UFC and believe that have 90% of the best fighters and put together great cards. Just not in the UK.
Everyone here, it seems, is a “UFC Nazi” and I try to stand up for all the other MMA promotions. The UFC, obviously cannot employ all the fighters. And they couldn’t or wouldn’t get Fedor. I just like to give credit where credit is due. Just not here in the UK, again…
Yea Gonzo
Ive been to all the UK PPV’S and a few in the US and we always get a **** deal
However I did like UFC 72 in Ireland. Maybe that was just because of the war Guida had with Griffin though lol
Other MMA promotions are great. i don’t care where the fight is being held, if its a good fight or one i wanna see, Ill check it out. It sucks that MMA is so hard to find on TV here in England. Elite XC was shown on Sky Sports a while back but due to piss poor ratings they have axed it. What do they expect, putting it on the same night as a Ricky Hatton fight here in England! Of Course no one will watch.
I would love to be able to watch E-XC, WEC, Strike force, Affliction.. and so on. I have to search so hard on the net to find these fights, and its ridiculous being in the day and age that we are.
i agree with you
@ Gonzo, I understand where u are coming from am I for the UFC ya, also I’m for DREAM StrikeForce and MMA as a whole, I like other orgs but many people harp on the free cards that the UFC puts on saying they suck and whatnot but in all reality those sorry ass free cards that UFC gives us are still better than 98% of domestic MMA put on by other orgs (DREAM, WVR ect are a different beast because Japanese MMA is different in sooo many ways)….
So just to be clear I’m all about MMA I also realize that the UFC is clearly the top organization out there and I enjory watching other orgs cards..
Ok ok RyanMoney
We all know Bisping fought the smart fight by letting Leben’s aggresiveness turn against him. I scored the fight 29-28 giving the edge to Bisping. Was the smart fight “smart” for his career, GOD NO!!! The postfight interview said it all with Bisping stating “I’m not ready for Silva or i wanted a decision victory.” Come on!! He’s supposed to be a fighter and fighter’s fight anyone at anytime and any real fighter in any organization wants to be the baddest man on the planet or they wouldn’t be in the ring in the first place and not just spray n’ pray to get the decision, i’m glad i don’t train with the guys you do.
Also, if you’re a fighter RyanMoney you should know exactly how to knock out anyone, regardless of their chin strength. With Leben sticking his chin out expressing, “Execute me” as idiotic as it was, he let Bisping kick, not punch, F*cking kick him in the head and it didn’t even phase Leben.
Oh, and the stupid action figure thing and the fight of the night comment was about your comment about Bisping making money by playing it safe and not letting it all out to get the extra $40000 and maybe get some endorsement deals. Cuz i know Stephan Bonnar and Forrest Griffin got some Xsyience commercials for their great fight and Bonnar will always have a place in the UFC for it, even after admitting steroid use.
No hard feelings RyanMoney its just that if i were Marquardt, Leites, Kampmann, or Maia i’d be licking my lips to fight Bisping thinking, “He’s easy money.”
Damn that was long
Wow, I’ve missed a lot, that took me a while to read. Most of the arguments have pretty well been laid to rest so I’m not going to bring them back up.
However,
Knightboy,
Unless I missed something that got deleted, you were the one that brought politics on here, so don’t talk about not bringing them on here. Secondly, if you don’t vote you forfeit your right to complain about any political leader because you have not taken the one real action that you can legally take to have an impact.
B Free,
In regards to the endorsements, I bet Mark Ecko paid a pretty penny/pence to basically be Bisping’s only visible sponsor. I don’t think he’s got to worry too much about the endorsement thing.
When will they throw Poster Boy for England Bisping a real fight that will challenge him?
The reason I hate on The Count is pretty simple.
1. He can’t finish fights
2. He doesn’t want to finish fights
3. He runs around the cage and is never the aggressor
4. He either refuses or doesn’t get to fight fighters of equal skill at the middle weight level
5. His post fight comments are beyond idiotic. (The crap he said to Hamill or admitting he was trying to score a decision over Leben)
Yes, he is a talented fighter. But he is also an incredibly boring to watch fighter. I am sorry but Leben is not top competition for him in that division. It’s only a matter of time before Michael Bisping is exposed for what he is. And that is not a top dawg in the middle weight division.
Franklin destroys him hands down
Hendo whoops his butt hands down
Okami probably takes the decision
Silva doesn’t break a sweat and knocks him out in 2 minutes
Just my 2 cents.
I can’t wait for the next TUF. Hendo will run through Bisping.
Sadly to this point I have come to believe my faith in Bisping has been merely blind with both he & I being English. I must admit to feeling quite uninspired by his decision victory on Saturday evening. Leben is a good fighter but not a great fighter and as such I had hoped to see Bisping make a real statement in the MW division by doing something spectacular, whereas in reality he does not have the tools to do so. This fact then poses another question, if Bisping does not have the tools to take out Chris Leben, what will he do if eventually faced with the likes of a Henderson, Marquardt, Franklin or even Silva….. Although it pains me greatly to admit I believe the answer now to be “nothing”. Whilst I do not expect all Bisping fans to agree with me I feel many will share my view that England does not have a fighter capable of challenging for titles in the UFC.
On another note, Birmingham was/is the worst venue the UFC has used in the England. The NIA lacked real atmosphere, the locals speak like retards & it is infested by immigrants. I hope the next time and event in England, for selfish convenience the MEN in Manchester would be perfect or the o2 in London would also be a good choice.
B Free, get a clue now, son. ok? your making yourself look totally idiotic now.
I agree that Bisping has to push the action more if fights if he wants to get anywhere close to a title. But have you noticed that what I have been saying on this page was all about Bispings game plan on the night? I never mentioned Bisping winning fights in the future, infact I spoke about Bispng not being ready for any of the contenders.
Now to your comment about knocking people out. Yes I do know how to knock people out and I also know that if someone has a chin as strong as Lebens and a great punch as well, its gonna be very hard for someone like Bisping who has a weak punch to knock someone like Leben out with a chin as good as it is.
Who is this J guy? Never saw you here before. The last time I checked Canada is in North America. What fight were you watching? It was from England, which I found out in 1st grade was in Europe.
Who cares if Bisping beat Charles McCarthy? Who the hell did he ever beat?
Great fight in the Bisping Leban match up, but I couldnt belive he didnt go for a finish!
Does anyone else think Mike still has some “pressure” issues? Seems like he logs his worst performances under the big events. I’m a total Bisping fan, since TUF3 he is a really intelligent and dangerous striker. I will say that to keep his fans he has to get over this “gotta win” mental block and go for broke in these big matches. I think his fans would understand if he got caught by a bomb while trying to put in a finish vs picking shots and avoiding takedowns and damage.
Anyone else notice he just rolls thru guys he doesnt really respect, vs going to decision when he is worried too much about the outcome? Get over the jitters man and just have fun destroying whoever is in there.
Much respect to Leben in this one, but he got kinda crushed. If Mike had started to follow up I think he could have finished this, otherwise as we saw, Leben is not going to just lay down for any single shot.
I didn’t mean to say B Free was an Idiot, I just didn’t understand why you are asking me stupid questions. Your glad you don’t train with the guys I do? Like any fighter, I train for every situation possible. So what do you train for? just to be a bad ass? I have a thing called discipline! Now if you dont train with people that teach you discipline then I suggest you train with someone that knows something about the fight game.
jpmm:
Yea the MEN is the best venue for a fight. Ive seen nearly everyone of Hattons fights there and that place has draws the best fight fans around. Manchester has a great respect for fighters.
I liked the 02 in London also, but because its such an easy place to get to, you get a large amount of fans there that are not really interested in MMA, they are just there for the popularity of it. Uneducated fight fans seem to BOOOO whenever the action goes to the ground as if its a bad and boring thing. I have seem some of my most favourite fights that have been on the ground for the majority of the time.
A lot of people including myself are dissapointed in UFC 89 but it is not the UFC’s fault the 2 main events did not live up to the hype. On paper Vera vs Jardine was a killer fight. However, due to recent performances and the need to win they psyched themselves out and played it safe. Bisping vs. Leben was fun to watch to me. Everyone wanted to see them bang it out and they did. But striking is both of their strengths. One of these guys coaches should have come up with the idea of taking the other one down and winning the fight there. Bisping has talent I just didn’t like his attitude toward Matt Hamill. He had a good game plan for winning a safe fight but with a better gameplan he could have finished the fight. This is off topic but when Hamill was in England did anyone else find it ironic he was being booed even though he can’t hear it.
About Hamill getting booed, that’s funny…
haha yea. I was there that night. As soon as “Born in the USA” hit the arena, everyone booed as if to let Hamill know they they were pissed at him. Funny Stuff
i hope everyone in here realizes that there really isnt anyone in the middleweight division who is at the same status as anderson silva. so dont sit here and **** and say that bisping sucks and he isnt near a title shot. we all know that. he even said that. silva beat henderson, leben, marquardt, and franklin…twice. bisping is now the same status as all those guys i just listed, but honestly, the only guy on there who will ever beat silva will probably be henderson if he ever gets a rematch.
Also, Bisping is one hell of a fighter. You guys are gonna say that he sucks? wtf are you smoking? crack? You also cant compare the current Bisping to the Bisping that fought Evans and Hammill seeing how thats in the past and in a diff weight class. And sure bisping danced around and ran away from leben, but he landed more strikes. If you land more strikes without getting knocked out. you win. regardless. Think before you talk. Idiots.
Ok RyanMoney my man
I think were arguing with two different subjects.
We both agree Bisping won the fight hands down, i just think it was stupid he didn’t use a little ground n pound to attempt to finish Leben. MMA allows for more ways to finish a fight other than out boxing the other opponent. I just don’t know how you couldn’t train for a finish in a mma match! Leben’s ground game is better than most, but not extraordinary in any means as is Bispings. If Bisping could of worked a gameplan with a ground game it would of been beneficial to him in almost every aspect of his career if he pulled of the finish. But your not talking about his career, so i guess that doens’t really matter.
And my bad about calling out your training partners, that was uncalled for, my sincerest apologies. But yes, in lamen terms, i train to be more “bad ass” than my opponent when i get in **** ass fights outside of Burger King.
Also i was talking about a kick to the jaw not a punch because anyone knows that being kicked in the jaw does more damage than a punch.
I’m loving all the debates, i haven’t seen a good one like this in weeks
B Free
I cant answer why Bisping didn’t try a ground attack. If it were me, I would have thrown everything at him.
I wanna see Bisping prove to me what he says he can do as much as the next person. I’m not impressed with him as a whole. I was just saying what he did worked for him and is along the lines of what I would have done with an opponent like Leben.
all this disputing about who won the fights when it goes to a desision.. if nobody finishes the fight to me nobody beat the other one? bisbang got another desision he knows how to not lose… wipy doo! he STILL remains a boring fighter so he is NOT a good fighter! he was going for a UD what a punk…. he should have said “Leben is a bad ass, and the only way i can win against a GOOD fighter is make them pissed they are in a boring fight so they come at me while i run away! not as bad as Starnes but not as good as Machida! i suck, all my fans suck for being my fans just because i am from the UK!” “i am the best fighter from the UK thats like saying i am the best snow plower in Florida”
BIZBANG WILL NEVER WIN A TITLE NO MATTER HOW MANY WIEGHT CLASSES HE DROPS!
windmiller,
Let me get this straight, Big Doofy is still the UFC champ because Randy did not beat him, because it went to a decision?
Rampage is still the champion because Forrest did not beat him because it went to a decision?
Chuck Liddell neither beat Wandi, nor lost to Jardine, because it went to a decision?
What an Idiot windmiller just proved to be.
Machida ran more than Bisping. And Starnes didn’t throw a punch all night!
Another thing. I noticed people think its really funny and cool that Leben stuck his chin out at the end of the fight. Apparently it was to prove that he can take his shots all night? What a load of ****! haha
He was tired and it proved it by swinging 3 or 4 big punches just before.
Leben was the aggressor in the fight and at the beginning i noticed he meant business, but after taking the first 2 combos from Bisping, I noticed his pace soon slow down abit! Bisping couldn’t have had that weak of a shot on him. I’m not saying he is a big puncher because his isn’t. But they must be harder than you think. Deceptive is the word.
Leben didnt moan once after the fight. That must tell you something.
Ryanmoney,
You’ve gone to all the UK events in person. That’s awesome. As much as I complain about those events, if I could go with my friends and get hammered, I’d do it in a second. And probably say it was the best events. I am very jealous. I live in Florida, so all we’ve had here is a UFC Fight Night last year, 4 hrs away on a Wednesday.
Was the Affliction PPV offered in the UK?
Justin:
Randy finishes fights, Rampage finishes fights, Forrest is fun to watch Chuck Lidelle finishes fights, Wandi finishes fights Lidelle vs Wandi was the best fight i have ever seen just above Griffin vs Bonnar 1 (didn’t see 2) both dissions, all the fighters were tring to finish the fight. you will NEVER EVER EVER NEVER HEAR FROM ANY OF THEIR MONTHS ” I WAS GOING FOR A UD!” OR HAVE YOU??????? no you have not so your fighter is not entertaining may people like to see fighters run away but i don’t!
they won the fight but….. they did not beat the man! do you get it? or still disagree?.
is bisbang fun to watch to you or you just like to type shmack?
I was actuallly surprised to see Bisping win just because if you watch any of the TUF fights they always score huge on aggression. And I don’t see how chasing someone down the entire fight isn’t octagon control. So we see Leben won 2 of 3 criteria for winning the fight. I really think that more points should count for fighting and not running the whole fight. I will never again cheer for Bisping. To me he gets home field advantage when he fights in England and thats twice now. It seems fixed to me
i don’t thinks it is fixxed at all. but i do think the crowd can “sway” a split….. Tito vs Bellford and so on
Bizbang sucks
Windmiller,
These are your words “if nobody finishes the fight to me nobody beat the other one?” Bisping also finishes fights. The point I was making is that your statement implied that Bisping did not win that fight (nor did Leben) because no one finished the other one, therefore if you follow that logic…Randy did not beat Big Doofy etc. Beating them, and winning the fight are the same thing, just like beating a team in football and winning the game are the same thing, at least that’s how I view it. Bisping is not “my fighter” sometimes he is entertaining, I don’t think he ran away that fight, I think he did more in that fight than Machida did against Tito.
sp00ner,
Its not fixed, bad judging the Hammill fight, yes, this fight, not so much.
windmiller dont disrepect bisping….i was a fan of his until the whole hamill thing…but after dropping to middleweight and easily beating leben i have alot of respect for him…..dont come here and just bash fighters….and dont spell his name haha bizbang..thats a horrible and pothetic attempt to be funny…please dont try again…im sure kris didnt make this site so we could all just bash fighters….you wouldnt last a second in the ring with bisping…if you want to say people suck then go to sherdog and talk to the trolls
gunslinger:
your right i don’t need to bash fighters i got carried away, and bizbang can kick my ass (i will last more than 1 second)!i just get fired up when fighters that try to get a D are called “good fighters” i am not in the UFC, bizbang is and i am a fan of the UFC so when i watch a MAIN EVENT and the man won says he was going for a D than it erks me! just typing my opinion mang! bizbang bizbang bizbang
what is a troll?
Yea Gonzo. We don’t get much quality MMA here in England, especially in the south. I make sure I go to as much as I can. As bad as the events are. When I’m there, I have a really good time. But when I watch the fights and see the cards I know its not a top one.
Na, Affliction wasn’t offered here and I still haven’t seen the whole show. Just the Fedor fight. We get Cage Rage or used too. I think they have pulled the plug on that now.
4 weeks ago we had Elite XC Kimbo v Tank. 4 weeks ago!!! Now that’s a delay!!! haha
As much as Dana and Rogan wanna tell everyone that MMA is over in Britain, Its not even close mate. Honestly. Boxing is still the dominant fight sport over here. Its still declining but while Hatton, Haye and Calzaghe are still around, MMA wont get a look in IMO.
UFC is on a channel called Setanta Sports over here. That channel costs £10 a month, on top of our cable (Sky) subscriptions which are roughly £70 a month for me. £80 a month is a lot of cash for someone who wants to get a taste of MMA or someone who is a fan but cant pay it. We used to get all the PPV’s free, just a day late. Dana has made a bad move by moving UFC to that channel over here, its driving people away.
I would love to see all the MMA Orgs out there. I went to Orlando in March and was able to see UFN with Lauzon and Florian (i think) on the TV Live. We’ve only started getting UFC live since July ish (again i think).
We have the Fight Network here. But that’s it for MMA
I’m jealous of you though that you get all the MMA. lol
Ryan, i just read that…. Damn man that is awful kinda makes me want to make u some dvd’s and send them to you ****…
haha I know FR702.
Sucks right! Also UFC ON DEMAND wont let me register becuase of my country! That sucks also!
Yep, I have to rely on Youtube and other sites like that. Its cool tho, I get by.
that does completly suck, atleast youtube and things like that exist but damn you just got Kimbo v Tank that is ridiulous…. Is ProElite no longer putting on CageRage shows????? was the last one when Shammy got ko’d? do you get those on tv over there?
Yea man, I think ProElite might have left them. Not sure. Something has lost them a TV deal. The last one I went to wasn’t televised and that was Cage Rage 26 back in May. Freeman vs Cahoon. I just checked the site and their next event doesn’t mention being on TV.
I went to see Shammy get Knocked out. lol I just wanted to say I’ve seen him fight in person, no matter how bad it was. Ross Pointon always gives a great value for money effort on those shows. Shame he doesn’t get TV exposure now. I don’t understand why Paul Kelly is in the UFC when Pointon isn’t. At least he has a go. Kelly was too shy of a punch the other night. I would rather have Pointon representing the UK in the UFC than Kelly.
Now Kellys in for a bashing in here! haha.
Do you guys in America have to pay for all MMA? I mean, even Strikeforce and the Japanese shows? The Fight Network shows BoDog Fight here and its not that old. Just seems like they scrape the barrel when it comes to fighters.
Another company I wanna see is HDNET FIGHTS. Ive heard rumours of us getting that here.
HD.Net isn’t free its in certain satellite packages, yet not every provider carries it soo that kinda sucks and I believe u have to pay extra for it
StrikeForce use to have a half ass highlight show on CBS @ like 3am on saturdays soo if you’re good and drunk (pissed) that was fun to watch
Where I live in California we get PFC (Palace Fighting Championships the original WEC til ZUFFA bought them) on Fridays for free but its like a few months ago
UFC has their highlight show on Spike all the time
PRIDE still ocasionally runs on Fox Bay area
Japanese shows I haven’t found a way to get them even on ppv with my provider but they are on HD.Net (which I don’t have)
ryan money i know a pretty cool website that has just about every fight ever in it that you can watch its called mmaroot.com
Ryan,
We have to pay for MMA in some way shape or form, except EliteXC on CBS. You have to pay either a minimum $50 cable bill or $30-$40 (not sure) satellite to get Spike. Most of the UFCs are PPV which are $45 each, that has gotten better and better lately though, in that they are putting more on spike. ShoXC you have to get digital cable which is more than regular mentioned above, or still satellite, then pay extra to get showtime, which is like less than $10. HDNet covers the rest, but you have to pay extra to get it as well, about the same price as showtime. Other than that there are highlight shows on Fox Sports of Pride, and the replays and such on Spike. When the IFL was around you could get that for free over the air (like CBS).
HD Net has the best MMA coverage. I have my DVR record all HD Net fights, and there is something recorded every day. It broadcasted DREAM 1 two weeks later, but DREAM 2-6 live. It shows a lot of Strikeforce fights and many I’ve never heard of. They also have a weekly show hosted by Bas Rutten. Check to see if you can get it on Satellite. There has to be a awy to get the upcoming Affliction PPV. That looks to be awesome.
hey that Fight was awesome guys
Hey thanks for that Gunslinger. That site is great.!
Justin.
Yea man, seems like they know how to sting you when it comes to MMA. I would have thought it would be a good move to make more events/fights free to try and draw in a new audience. Oh well. They sure do know how to make money!
Gonzo.
I have heard about and seen great things with HD Net. Over here we only have 1 PPV provider. I think you guys have a few, I’m not sure. I’m hoping that the Fight Network will get some of Affliction. For the other Affliction event, Fight Network shown the whole first hour free. I missed it though, it was on at 3am same time as UFN. I forgot about Affliction.
The only sport we get on PPV is Boxing. Most of the time it is WWE.
I think we will be getting HD Net, or so I’ve heard.
Do you guys get Cage Rage?