Couture Willing To Fight Again In The UFC
Posted by Kris Karkoski on Aug 29, 2008 at 8:00 am ET151 Comments
UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture, who has not fought in over a year due to a contract dispute with the promotion, may return to the octagon one final time before the end of the year as part of a settlement with the UFC.
MMA Junkie reported the development late-Thursday.
According to the report Couture, who last defeated Gabriel Gonzaga via third-round TKO at UFC 74 in August 2007, is “willing to fight once more for the UFC, possibly before the end of the year, as a potential resolution to his ongoing legal battles with the fight promotion”.
It is not yet known if the UFC, who is currently in arbitration with Couture in Nevada, would accept the offer.
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vs Lesnar UFC 91 Portland
i have info that Kongo will require surgery on hs shoulder and wont fight again this year
WAR LESNER please shut randy up and retire him!!!!!!!
Card could be huge
Randy vs Lesner
Kongo vs Gonzaga
Florian vs Stevenson
Wandy vs TBA
Can you say dream card
that would be nuts…if lesnar beats down randy i’m sure dana would LOVE it!
brock is to big for randy but i would love to see that fight.
Brock!!
are you guys joking? you must be joking. I hope the randy brock fight happens so I can see randy kill this overgrown steroid.
This has completely gotten out of hand. He won’t fight. He will fight. Then again he won’t and yadda, yadda, yadda. I do hope he fights again. I do hope he takes on Lesnar. I sooooo hope he puts Lesnar out to pasture.
Somebody please send Lesnar back to the WWE. Then again, someone send him to the Minnesota Vikings as a tackling dummy!
c’mon people think here, it won’t be Lesnar. Couture is still named on the UFC’s site as the Heavyweight Champ so if he does fight anyone it will be Big Nog to decide the title unless Couture vacates.
I have always stated, if Randy has one fight left on his contract, just honor it and leave to fight Fedor. I sometimes feel that Randy purposly didn’t do that so he can dodge Fedor. What do you guys think?
Randy is king because he is the UFC champ. And he says he wants to fight Fedor, but is not allowed to.
He makes a lot from his gyms, merchandising, and movies. If he loses to Fedor, some of those may dry up.
I’d like to see him fight the winner of Norguiera and Mir. But that couldn’t happen until March ‘09. So I’ll take anything, fight Mark Coleman, Tank Abbott, Homer Simpson.
brock lesnar shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same paragraph as randy couture.
ALL HONESTY IF HE FIGHT BROCK I THINK RANDY WILL LOSE… BROCK IS JUST TO MUCH
I agree YZ
I love Randy but i cant see him taking out Lesnar in any way he is too big & strong as is Fedor.
Brock will win a decision over Randy it pains me to say.
Randy beat the bigger stronger Tim Silvia. Plus Brock’s never been in a five round fight (if it indeed ends up being a title fight). That’s an extra two rounds he has to lay on top of a guy. Also, Randy’s a wrestler so he might be able to actually stand up if he gets taken down. Randy’s got better strikes too.
Couture vs Lesnar
Age vs youth
strength vs technique
outcast vs the new it guy
Get the agreement then strip him of the belt so even if he(Randy) wins he doesn’t damage the company.I think the learning curve is so far ahead for Brock that Couture would take a beating.
Rupture your L5 then go out and fight a 5 round MMA fight.Tim’s not great but let’s be fair.
(L5 problems lead to mobility issues)
Ok I’m not one to blog but has everyone gone insane? Randy has gotten where he is by never dodging a fight and in the heavywight divison he’s always been the smaller guy, look at Gonzaga(I know I can’t spell and I’m using a blackberry). I do not like Lesner at all and the disrepect he showed Heath in the final seconds of there fight was uncalled for. Randy should vacte the title. Tale the fight with Lesner and show him what the UFC is all about. Take him down and just beat the heck out of him. Lesner is as over rated as Kimbo Slice just a better athelte
Everything that Randy is wrestled wise Brock is at least an equal. Throw that out. Randy has experience. Brock is a cardio machin. He can make 5 rounds. Throw that out. Brock will have 50 pounds on him and double the strength and speed. Brock will not get knocked out unless the ref pulls a screw job on the backside. Randy has most wins by tko. I don’t think he could tko Brock. I would have to side with Brock. Randy won’t submit him. And that’s the only way Brock will lose. Bet the farm on it kid.
I don’t have the same repect for Randy but if he comes back to the UFC I will be very happy to see him kick Brock’s arse.
Big tim is a big gollute boring fighter who relied completly on his size to win fights… he is not even close to brocks, althletics, and power… and brock who keeps evolving will only get better…
that doesnt magically mean he deserves a title shot… and besdies, if he did get the title shot and won it, what would that do for the HW class in the UFC?
i dont think randy would win this fight, and i dont think he would take the fight either… he would have more to lose than gain, and chances are dana would tell brock to” eliminate him from mma” not that it would be an easy task, but i could see alot of damage being done to randy… and if he took to much damage there goes the fedor fight…
randy needs a fighter that will not kill him, but will beat him so he can leave without the belt
just saying look what happens everytime everyone counts out Randy. He kicks ass.
I just want them to get Arlovski back when his contract (3 fights?) with Affliction runs out.
Randy would lose to Brock. No way Randy can take him down. And no way he can trade stand up with him. The punch that nearly ko’d HH, would have knocked Randy’s inflated head right off his shoulders. He also would get crushed by Fedor.
Randy has better strikes, better mma wrestling, better submissions, and more experience. Lesnar would be the first fatality in the Octagon. I hate arguing about fights before they’re even announced.
DUDE I’M WITH YOU GUYS…GIVE HIS G@Y A$$ BROCK FOR BEING A **** TO THE UFC AFTER THEY TOOK GREAT CARE OF HIM!!!!!
It’s bitter sweet. Randy coming back for only 1 fight is great but crappy at the same time. I still think this is a tease and he will never fight in for the UFC ever again. If he is willing to fight because of his legal situation, I would like to see Liddell move up and become Couture’s opponent at HW. In any case, Couture is only getting rusty and older…..I hope something changes for the betters soon. Randy’s age alone has almost completely diluted any excitement I have in seeing him fight again.
What you mean to say TMoney is Randy has:
1. more accurate striking, which would do no good against Lesnar’s chin,
2. better wrestling technique, but he’s not taking down a guy built like a skyscraper
3. and better submission skills, except you can’t choke out a guy with no neck
The only thing Randy’s got is experience, which would be highly outweighed by the very plain fact that he is OLD and his body can only go so far. Ever heard “man’s reach exceeds his grasp”?
“The Natural” couldn’t touch him. Not to mention it would be a very lose-lose situation.
Lesnar hasn’t been tested against a striker like Randy so no one knows how his chin is. Randy is used to mma wrestling which means he can use those skills to get Lesnar in a position to be submitted. Randy has also proven that he has dangerous submissions.
He is old though
Its an old saying but all other things being equal the bigger stronger man usually wins. Brock has had more than enough time with Nelson to handle Randy…
If Randy wants out this is the only fair way to do it.
He cost Zuffa way more in this fit of his.
Johnny-
HAHAHAHA Dude you nailed it!
Randy is way passed his prime so all this talk about his skills don’t really matter against a dude like lesnar
Man, sometimes I wonder if this is an MMA forum or a WWE forum.
Lesnar beat Fedor?
Lesnar beat Couture?
You guys are pretty funny! =)
Anyways, if and when Randy fights again for the UFC it will surely be against the winner of Nog/Mir. However if he doesn’t agree to a second fight, I don’t see this happening at all. Randy is getting old, he just needs to fight and get it over with. His UFC contract would almost be DONE now and he could be fighting Fedor in a few months if he had just honored the contract in the first place. Come on Randy…. just get on with it…
Johnny is right. Randy beat couldn’t knock Tim out. Brocks head is huge and with his neck at thick as it is there is no way you are going to KO him. Randy’s a great wrestler but Brock is just gonna be to big for him to take down. Brock made Heath Herring look like a 6th grader, how much bigger is Brock gonna be compared to Randy. I was going to go this card anyway, but Randy Brock is much more interesting than Brock Kongo.
Markus J
Dude i NEVER said anything about liking the WWE, or about lesnar beating fedor.
But I do agree with you and also think if he were to fight that he will get the winner of nog vs mir, but i would rather watch brock destroy him. I have no respect for a dude who does not honor his word and/or contract, and bad mouths the company that MADE him what he is.
Yes, because the only submission is a choke out, guys…
Brock has already shown himself to be prone to leg submissions, surely he still has legs that can be taken? No, he has no legs anymore just one giant pummeling muscle?
Brock can not finish a fight. Period. Herring should never have made it out of the second round but Brock can not finish. That alone gives Randy more than a small chance.
What the hell is all of this Brock talk??? Wouldn’t Randy come back as the HW champion? You think Lesnar deserves a title shot after 2 fights… one a loss? Wouldn’t he fight Nog to unite the title?
definately brock that would be a whole ppv in itself, randy has lost so many fans due to him bein a big baby and quit when he doesnt get his way, id love to see brock manhandle him and what better way to get randy out then have his dead beatin in, if randy doesnt fight brock i rather not see him fight at all
DBiz,
Exactly. Brock just hasn’t impressed me at all. This fight will probably never happen though because Lesnar just isn’t in Randy’s league. He needs to prove himself.
Why the hell does everyone think Randy would be fighting Brock. He is the HW champion. Brock in 1-1 in the UFC and 2-1 overall. That’s hardly enough to get a title shot. If Randy fights this year the UFC will probably have to change the schedule for December so they can have a clear champion. If Big Nog wins he is the champion. If Randy wins and then he is free to walk away from the UFC Big Nog and Mir will fight for the vacated HW title.
If they keep the line up the way it is for December and Randy still has to fight one more time then he would end up fight early 2009 against the winner of Mir vs. Nog.
I like Brock but he won’t be fighting Randy.
i think you’d all be shocked, after that last fight you know brocks coaches are on him hard bout jit its su and his submissions, his body is just so huge he has a hard time getting in a rear naked choke or a kimora, i bet hed have a mean armbar though, he knows he has the power, he knows he can manhandle ANYONE in the ufc, i think randy brock would be a huge fight everyone would be happy with
why does no one think brock should get a title shot after accepting and putting on a fight in both fights, but penn drops down to lightweight gets a title shot right off the back, now is saying he’ll gain some weight and get a welterweight title shot right off the back and his past 3/4 fights were horrible boring fights where he didnt do anything impressive
The reason B.J. Penn got the title shot and the reason he is gonna get another one is because he is one of the best P4P fighters in the world. I dont know how you can say his last 2 fights were boring. He was dominating in both of them!!! And that’s coming from someone who is not a big B.J. Penn fan.
mr1000lbs
you have no clue what you are talking about. Penn didnt get a title shot right away. he beat jens pulver and dominated that fight. Sherk got stripped of the belt and the UFC took the top 2 fighters in the weight class and they fought for the vacated title. Penn won…dominating again. we all know what he did to Sherk. I saw Sherk in MN in Aug and I think he still had black eyes from that beating.
Werdum seems the obvious opponent but all this Brock makes makes sense.
What better way to send Randy packing than having the future of the division beat him in to retirement.
But it is all ifs & buts
man it pains me to hear all u guys bad mouthin randy cuz im willin to bet there was a time when he could do no wrong in all ur eyes an athlete had a disagreement wit his employer it happens arod did it last year manny did it this year chad johnson was doin it it happens in sports all the time its not randys fault that he wants more money and its not the ufcs fault they dont wanna pay its buisness i hope randy comes back and has the best fight of his life
huerta
i agree with you completely. unfortunately sports are a business and when employees have a falling out with their employer the fans seem to get the worst end of it all. Randy will be able to get signed with someone else and UFC will sign someone else. but the fans who love the UFC wont get to see one of the best fighters in the world fighting in the best organization.
I don’t think they would give a title fight to Lesnar this early, despite who would win that match its too early to give him a shot
What putting Randy against Werdum for the title then ofcours u have Mir v Big Nog for the interium title soo yay still have two champs in the HW division…. But I guess u could have the unification in March but then again Randy would only be fighting 1 fight so I dunno
I wonder what the response will be when Randy comes out of the tunnel how will the fans react, how would Dana market Randy now and would he put Randy on the undercard ala AA
Also a one fight Fedor v Randy type thing is possible an option but hey the Randy saga continues good times
If Randy were to come back for one fight it would be a special fight only.Zuffa will not allow him to defend(It would cost them too much revenue if he won). Plus he has already vacated the belt. Dana only has to honor Randy’s request after the contract is signed. That’s a win win for Dana.If Randy beaat Brock he beat a guy with 3 fights. Should Randy get retired by Brock then Dana is rid of Randy for good and Fedor has to come see him again. Plus a Brock win would line him up for a win against the Mir Nogueira victor.That’s 3 arse kicking fights in what has been a dead division.
oooh now this is interesting…
i wanna see randy vs. nog…
this will be an interesting fight..
but after the fight he needs to just walk away from the sport and work on the scorpion king part 3!!! lol
Yes Brock and Randy will fight in Portalnd. It will not be for the title cause this is Randy’s last fight in the UFC and he said he has vacated the title already. This will be a win win situation for the company, cause 1st its gonna be a big PPV (without this fight its close to a fight night worthy card) 2nd If Brock wins that raises his crebility to rockstar status. 3rd even if Chuck wins the UFC will blow it off again as Brock is facing the best in the world and got caught (like they did with Mir). And most importantly the venue will be sold out (since its in Randy’s backyard) and the PPV buy should be in the 600K – 700K range. Not to mention if Brock beats Randy it kills the hype of a Fedor Randy fight and affliction’s big mega card, please believe nothing would put a bigger smile on Dana’s face than that.
BROCK VS RANDY!!!! If Brock loses i’ll go to his house and do to his wife what he can’t do in the octagon “make her tap”.
Also, Bj penn doesn’t deserve a title shot at ww. He’s LAZY DUDE> HE WANT THE EASY ROUTE TO THE TITLE AND HE”S USING HIS “NAME” TO JUSTIFY HIM FIGHTING GSP FOR THE TITLE< WHEN IN REALITY< HE”S TOO LAZY TO CLIMB THE LATTER (1 or 2 fights max). he just wants to hold 2 titles but BJ FANS…IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN AS LONG AS MY BOY GSP(VAN DAMME JR) HAS THE TITLE.
OMG I LOVE MMA!!!! OMG I’M ABOUT TO GO ACROSS THE HALL AND CLINCH UP THE FIRST A$$HOLE I SEE!!!!
Anzstar_inc
“3rd if Chuck wins”, did u mean to say Randy?
Jazz,
that was kinda funny, BJ Penn can do things “off of his name” because he IS BJ Fuking Penn, and I hope that your “clinch” work well for you
Haha yes I meant Randy, sorry doing this at work. I do like how Dietrich beat me to the punch, well done sir. I guess I’m not the only one that sees why this is great for the UFC.
I wonder what Mark Cuban thinks of all this?
Jazz and all GSP fans please stop whinning about the fight. Its gonna happen, its gonna be huge, stop complaining about it on every freaking artical, accept it and move on.
FR702 I think Cuban has to be pissed, Cuban spent all that money on lawyers to get Randy out of the deal only to end up with nothing. And now if Randy losses, this “mega fight” with him n Fedor is dead. Cuban must be steaming.
Anzstar, nicely said about BJ v GSP fight it does seem as tho in every article it turns into the great question of why does BJ deserve a fight with GSP and GSP has fought four times in a year (365 days) he needs a rest argument, but whatever I guess
If I was Mark Cuban, I would be on the phone with Randy and be like what the fu{k guy u owe me $$, I tried to help u out put my lawyers on it and now u might be going to fight “one last time” for UFC
I would be pissed forsure
I would be amazed if Randy fights Brock. Expecially since Randy IS still the UFC champion. He didn’t retire from the UFC, he tried to quit. The problem is you can’t quit when you are under contract and try to go sign with a competing company. It doesn’t work like that. I really don’t think Dana is gonna do anything to try and screw Randy over either because he has always said that Randy has done as much for this sport as anyone if not more.
Randy vs. Brock…..not gonna happen.
cuban doesnt care “all that money” that he spent is probably pocket change to the guy who owns the mavericks who is lookin to buy the cubs and owns his own tv station im probably forgettin a whole lot of other **** he owns point being the man can spare some change also i wouldnt b surprised if cuban advised randy to take the fight and get the legal bull**** over wit
Huerta, that’s the thing is you don’t become a Millionaire let alone a billionaire by just giving away “pocket change” imo
Now on the fact that Cuban probably advised Randy to take the fight to get the legal stuff resolved I could see that
Anyone who would even considering Lesnar as a favorite against Couture is a certifiable moron.
Wow.
wow anyone who thinks lesnar has a chance at beating randy is dumb……randy is too good…randy by tko rnd 2…….these guys saying lesnar will beat randy are probably the same guys who were saying houston alexander would be the next lhw champ after two fights….destroying heath herring and destroying randy the f’n natural couture are two very different things
At some point in time Randy will have to acknowledge that he’s over the hill. I know he can still beat some guys, but Feder? In his prime, Randy and Feder would have been a great match, but at 45 I’m afraid it would just be a big payday for a quick fight. I would love to see how things would go if Randy could get his chance to fight Feder… Would Feder take the fight right away or make Randy sweat a little. At 45 he ain’t got much time to sweat.
jeremy, bj didnt earn his shot he fought a washed up jens pulver, im not denying that hes a good fighter he could take a hit but if you want the best lightweights shoulda been clay guida and kenny florian, bj got a title fight for being up danas ass, lightweight has some of the best fighters in the ufc, tyson griffin, roger huerta, clay guida, kenny florian, nate diaz, and more joe stevenson and an old jens pulver who didnt get to fight for 4 years makes him in line for a title shot is bull****
as for gsp, i dont care i think gsp will win, but i think its dumb that he gets to jump up and fight for title right away, and deny the lightweights of getting a title at least anderson sylvia beat the best of best in middleweight before fighting a few in light heavyweight and says he’ll fight whoever bjs time is limited
BJ > GSP
mr1000lbs,
I saw Silva destroy Irvin, as did everybody else, but you said he fought a few 205s. What other 205 were you talking about Silva fighting? As far as BJ Penn is concerned, he’s the top 155 in the world… not just in the UFC… in the world. He is unbeatable at 155. He might well be the best at 170. I can’t imagine what you mean by saying he didn’t deserve a title shot. That’s like saying that, should Feder join the UFC, he doesn’t deserve a title shot for the heavyweight championship. When you’re the best there is, you should be the champion.
While I’m at it, let me just say I can’t stand Shinya Aoki… the big crybaby. JZ beat him fair and square and because he sat in the ring and cried, they called it a No Contest.
Mr1000lbs, imma break this down for you (the rest of you GSP fans please read this so I won’t have to repeat this again)
BJ is the LW champ cause after he lost to Hughes, Dana need coaches for TUF and since it was the light weight divison Pulver Penn made sense. He beat Pulver than soon after Sherk got stripped of the title. Joe Stevenson was a contender. But NO ONE else was a credible contender. Sherk had beat Florian, Huerta had still fought no one, Griffin and Guida were still making their way up, Hermes just lost to sherk for the title. So coming off that Pulver win and the fact tha B looked better than ever Dana gave a shot to BJ. BJ destroyed Joe and would eventually destroy Sherk. All the while his only goal was to move back up.
BJ would have had his rematch a long time ago had he not gone down to help the UFC. GSP beat BJ in a very close split desicion and now that GSP and BJ are at seemingly their best it makes perfect sense to put 2 P4P fighters in a 5 round war. This will be thee biggest PPV ever. Dana is estimating 1.15 million buys, and that right there is enough to justify the fight.
PS no outrage when Randy fought Tim for the HW title, after losing twice in a row at a lighter divison. No whinning when Dan Henderson lost to Rampage, then went down and fought Anderson for the belt the very next fight.
THIS IS A BUISNESS PEOPLE, DANA IS IN THE BUISNESS OF MAKING GREAT FIGHTS HAPPEN. BJ GSP IS A GREAT FIGHT! STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT AND SAY THANK YOU MR. WHITE FOR GIVING WHAT 95% OF THE FANS WANT TO SEE. IF KENNY FLORIAN HAS NO BEEF WITH THE MEGA FIGHT, YOU SHAMS SHOULDNT EITHER. JUST EXCEPT IT ALREADY!
alright, alright… stop yelling alreeady
FR702 im a dallas mavericks fan and the guy pays out his ass in fines for some pretty stupid **** sometimes and doesnt give a flyin rats ass i became a mavs fan in 03-04 and since then i dont think there has been a season where cuban doesnt get fined this is straight from wikipedia “Cuban has been fined by the NBA, mostly for critical statements about the league and referees, at least $1,665,000 for 13 incidents” “Cuban said that he matches NBA fines with charitable donations of equal amounts” “In a playoff series between the Mavericks and Spurs, Cuban cursed Spurs forward Bruce Bowen[50] and was fined $200,000 by the NBA for rushing onto the court and criticizing NBA officials.” now does that sound like someone whos a penny pincher? the mans worth almost 3 billion i doubt he paid as much for the lawyers as he has in fines
Huerta, I get your point forsure but to say that Cuban pays out his a$$ for his own personal fines that he alone causes and paying for a guys defense attorneys is the $ame I don’t think it is imo, but it is super cool that he matches his own fines to charities…
Anzstar_inc good breakdown
i would like couture to fight NOG to see if hes the real ufc champ! then he can go and fight fedor if he wants
mr1000lbs
how can you say that clay guida should have gotten a title shot when he had just lost to huerta on the ultimate fighter finale? and as much as i like clay his UFC record isn’t great. florian was working his way back up after losing to sherk. tyson griffin hasn’t beaten the best in the division. diaz hasn’t been in the ufc long enough to deserve a title shot, he is just now on a main event. at that time joe stevenson had lost only one fight in the UFC and Jens was the first lightweight champion and he lost the belt cause he left the organization. BJ had only one loss in that weight class. now who else do you think should have fought for that title.
AZNSTAR
you are exactly right! i’m with it this is business and for Dana and the rest of the UFC business is good!!!
FR702, thanks. I’ve posted that comment so many times, I’ve had the chance to fine tune it lol.
DolfanG, I didn’t mean to go YZFOX wit the caps. But this topic comes up in almost every discussion, its sickening how much all these GSP fan boys whine about the fight. I hope we can just stay of the topic and just accept that the fight is gonna happen and its gonna be great.
COUTURE VS. NOG IS THE ONLY WAY TO DETERMINE WHO THE HW CHAMP REALLY IS!!! mir can wait and fight the winner after that.
well guida did lost to huerta but i think hes better because he dominated till huerta got all pi$$ed off and he won his last fight and ya he doesnt deserve a title shot and kenflo does he really got much better since the sherk fight
and no mir and nog is set so winner of them face couture
Anzstar_inc, its kinda funny I have been making the same argument about the BJ v GSP situation hell probably as much as u have, and will continue to do so til the “Superfight” happens and probably a few times after
UFCfan, what would u do with the fight of Mir v Big Nog in Dec? Scrap it for Randy v Big Nog then what do with Mir?
idk give him gonzaga that would be interesting gonzaga leg kick KO round 1
FR702
Make Mir wait and fight the winner of Couture vs. Nog. If Randy wins and he still wants to walk and is free to do so, let him. Then we will be back to where we are now and Mir and Nog can fight for the title except it won’t be interim then. Straight up champion after that. Nog has nothing to lose.
FR702, I know you have been supporting the fight since day 1. Cause like me, you see the big picture.
UFCfan, the reason Brock Randy is most likely to happen is cause. Brock has no opponent since Cheick is hurt, its gonna be in Portland Randy’s backyard, the reason Randy has decided to fight 1 more fight is cause he wants to get to Fedor asap (which means fighting before the year is out, tuling out Nog). And not to mention since it is for sure his last fight with the UFC, they don’t want him walking away with their belt. That’s why Brock Randy make the most sense
aznstar_inc
the problem with that is if lesnar beats couture then he can say he is champion. look at the UFC website. randy is the champion. his resignation didn’t mean $h!t since he was in the middle of a contract. that is why he is still listed as the champion.
aznstar_inc
as for Brock not having an opponent for in November…don’t be surprised if it’s Mark Coleman.
I’m prettys sure in this deal the UFC will cut with Randy it will state that he will vacate the title. Cause there is no way Dana allows Randy to walk away as the HW champ. Randy has come out and said he recognizes Nog as the HW champ, so he should have no issues with it. And then you just announce that the winner of Mir Nog will be for the undisputed HW title
Forget that $h!t. If there is no one in the UFC who can beat Randy he should be allowed to walk away with the belt. It’s not like they only make one of those belts. But if he wins his last fight and no one has been able to beat him to take his title he is the champion.
By all means though if Randy fights in November and wins and he walks away from the UFC then the fight in December is for the title. NOT interim title.
If Randy wasn’t coming back Coleman would be in the mix. I had a autograph signing where Mark kinda just showed up. and Mark was really pissed that he heard somewhere that Brock said Mark was scared of him, so I know Coleman would love a shot at him. But one issue the Portland card is having is that it doesn’t have a great headline match. Randy fills that need and is the name. Not to mention a lot of people compare Kimbo and Brock. So feeding Brock Mark is like Kimbo fighting Ken, it seems set up and just a chance to say look he beat an a hall of famer he must be great.
Anzstar_inc,its always about the big picture, cheers
Jermey, I would believe that Randy would fight in Dec soo ZUFFA can make the most dollars from having Randy fight on the biggest card of the year
I agree Portland doesn’t have a big enough main event yet but when I got tickets for UFC 87 it didn’t either. The first business day after I got the tickets is when GSP Finch was announced. If Randy fights in Portland they will put him up against a big name. I just dont see Brock as being that person. Or Coleman. I see Brock v Coleman as a co-main event not the main event. Rampage agains Rua may be in November too. But I don’t think that will be a Main event since both of them lost their last fights. I don’t know who Randy would fight if they don’t have Nog fight him. There is plent of time that they could move Nog up to Nov and then give him time to recover before fighting Mir. If they don’t have Randy fight Nog I couldn’t even guess who it may be because if someone where to beat Randy and they still have Mir v Nog for the title then whoever may beat Randy could say they are the champ. Thats why I think it’s only fair to have Nog fight him. But I think Lesnar’s next fight is Coleman.
Anzstar_inc
But who if not the interim champion? See my post before this for the reason.
Anzstar_inc
To compare Brock to Kimbo is an insult to Brock. Brock isn’t one dimensional like Kimbo is. He knows how to stand and fight and he knows how to wrestle and do basic subs like arm bars, chokes, he might even know how to pull of a knee bar now. When Kimbo goes to the ground he is as lost as a penguin in the desert.
I by no means was comparing the 2. Brock is a collegiate wrestler while Kimbo was beating cats up for a ham sandwhich. Brock would destroy Kimbo in a fight. But there are alot of MMA fans that do feel that way about Brock and Kimbo. And to put Coleman against Brock will prolly get the same response from critics that Kimbo Shamrock got, paper fighter beating up the elderly to pad their stats. I think Dana has to avoid that stereotype by letting Brock fight the best in the world, which include Randy.
Coleman was the one who said he wanted to fight Brock the same night they put him into the UFC Hall of Fame. He asked for it and was getting it until he got injured. I’m sure he wants that fight still and I’m sure he will ask for it.
I doubt Shamrock was campaigning to fight Kimbo. I think he is just desperate since he doesn’t have his IFL team anymore. If he was campaigning for it he is dumber than I ever thought he is.
randy would beat brock to me only challenge is big NOG since hes pretty much the real champ since couture wasn’t fighting so randy vs NOG would be good to me but NOG vs mir is already set
UFC fan
I think it would be justified though for the UFC to delay Mir v Nog for Couture v Nog. And as long as Mir still get the winner of that I’m sure he wouldn’t care. Even if Randy wins and walks afterwards then you can still have Mir v Nog. In my stoned, ripped, twisted, demented, playful mind it’s the only thing that makes sense.
NOG vs MIR
RAMPAGE vs RUA
LESNAR vs COUTURE
WANDERLEI vs RASHAD
if he loses to chuck then
LIDDELL vs FORREST
GONZAGA vs HERRING maybe..
then undercard fights!
THATS WHAT I CALL A DREAM CARD!!!! UFC 92!
I’m happy about Randy fighting again but, Brock… come on guys. I hate watching him, its like watching turtles bang. I seriously do not understand what he is doing. The guy has serious strength and power but, he is boring as hell. IMO he should not be making the money he is, or even be in the octagon. I understand Dana’s reasoning to bring more people into MMA like the wrestling fans, good busine$$.
Either way, your UFC HW champ is not going to be fighting him. I said when the whole dispute first came up, Randy should take a fight. Walk into the octagon, touch gloves and have his corner throw in the towel. Then he fulfilled his contract and made some decent cash.
Either way I always respect Randy.
nicely said lol i only said lesnar vs couture because alot of people want to watch that fight i would like to see couture go inthe ring beat nog to prove hes the real champ!
ALL RESPECT TO COUTURE GOOD LUCK WITH FEDOR!
ONCE THAT HAPPENS!!
UFC fan
That would be a bad @$$ card. But I just don’t see Brock fighting Randy. Even without that fight on there it would still be pretty damn sweet.
I’m glad people finally quit b!tch!ng about BJ fighting GSP.
ya who cares he didnt really doeserve it but who cares he dominates the light-wieght division and everyone will love this fight! like alot of people say GSP VS BJ PENN 2 = SUPER FIGHT!!
looking forwards to it
Randy would eat Lesnar and his inexperience alive! I think Randy is gonna take on Brett Favre next. They say Favre has a great right hand…
That could be the fight of the year if BJ can have the same fitness level at 170 as he does at 155. At 155 he is unbeatable right now. 170 remains a question cause he wasn’t nearly as dominating when he fought at it before.
well ya he lost to GSP u know IMO bj is the better fighter but since he goes up to fight a huge! WW it’ll be really hard fight for him and i also think that GSP improved more so if i would bet i would bet on GSP.
I will be pulling for GSP during that fight and after no matter how the fight turns out. They are both great fighters and I think it will go down in sports history as one of the greatest fights ever.
GSP will BullDoze BJ… GSP is the best wrestler in MMA bar-none. You can say what you want about NCAA Champions but in the Octagon, GSP is what… about 87% successful in his takedowns and has been on his back for 5 minutes of his already illustrious career. BJ wont submit GSP. BJ wont outstrike GSP. BJ will not take GSP down. BJ will be looking for the cage door near round 2. FACT.
I agree with the fact that BJ will have to improve his fitness over his last fight with GSP at 170. If he does, I don’t see how GSP can beat BJ Penn. GSP is good on the mat… Penn is one of the greatest on the mat… GSP is good at standup… Penn is outstanding at standup… ask Sean Sherk or Caol Uno… GSP has excellent kicks and he’ll have to use those kicks effectively in order to have a chance with BJ Penn… IF BJ Penn has better cardio than the last time they fought… Somehow, I think he will be in better shape.
well most people think GSP is going to win i agree will see who wins
I wonder if Dana is trying to set up Couture for a win then a possible Fedor fight later on.
If Randy signs than Fedor might, Randy might be 50 by then though.
ya randys only chance would be now.
its gonna be way to long for him to get a chance so he probaly gonna lose
dan henderson and randy coture shouldnt have gotten title shots either you definately got me there but i didnt log onto this site before then, and florian has gotten way better, guida’s record isnt the best but his past few fights hes dominated and what bout nate diaz, he hasnt had a fight go past the first round since after the ultimate fighter? everyone whos been put in front of bj since hes fought are old washed up people, or return guys who havent fought in a couple years
i know coture and lesnar wont happen id just like to see it, im goin for mir and coture
Mr1000lbs, old washed up fighters really? Haha ok. Cause at 26 Joe Daddy is really falling apart. And yes Sherk is 35 and Pulver 33. but GSP beat up on Matt Hughes 34, Jon Fitch 30, Josh Koscheck 30, and Matt Serra 34. Yet you clain BJ has fought the old washed up guys haha. If nothing else B finished off those guys in a convincing fashion, unlike GSP that couldn’t finish a very hurt Fitch and won a glorified wrestling match with Kos.
GSP is slowly becoming the most overrated fighter ever. You GSP fans are so high on him you can’t see the flaws. In the 3rd round against Fitch Fitch was hurt and stumbling against the fence with like a minute left. Does GSP go in ala chuck or Anderson and try to finish him? No he slams him down and lays on him for the rest of the round. All of you saw a awesome slam by a great wrestler. What I saw is a guy that was scared to trade punches and finish a fight cause he got caught once and was KO’d. BJ hurt Sherk with an uppercut, what did he do? He went after him and ended his night with a Knee. GSP is a great athlete, but that doesn’t make him the greatest MMA fighter.
As for florian, guida, and nate not getting the shot at the belt when it was up for grabs. Nate had just won TUF, Guida was coming off a loss, and Florian had lost to Sherk. And while all of them (and Tyson) have been on a roll. At the time of the fight for the vacant title none of these guys were a) worthy at the time to even be in the discussion for that fight
b) couldn’t draw any PPV buys (and lets not forget, this is a buisness). BJ was the biggest name in the division at the time and looked like an animal ever since he focused. And guess what it was the right choice cause he’s torn through all his fights. So I don’t understand why this is even an argument.
Anzstar_inc, here we go again the great argument of BJ v GSP
HAHA FR702, you know it never ends.
Jeremy, see what you need to understand with this site is it has a ton of GSP fans and they never let anything go. And GSP can do no wrong, evidently he has replaced Jesus christ as the son of God. So whenever you think the GSP man love has stopped, what’s really going on is they are going to the GSP fan club meeting where they all wear spandex and and draw little Japanese characters on their chest. Then they talk about how if GSP and Jesus fought, GSP would win by arm bar lol. Seriously one guy called GSP Jean Claude Van Damme JR, how do you have a serious discussion with that level of fan boy?
HAHA FR702, you know it never ends.
Jeremy, see what you need to understand with this site is it has a ton of GSP fans and they never let anything go. And GSP can do no wrong, evidently he has replaced Jesus christ as the son of God. So whenever you think the GSP man love has stopped, what’s really going on is they are going to the GSP fan club meeting where they all wear spandex and and draw little Japanese characters on their chest. Then they talk about how if GSP and Fedor fought, GSP would win by arm bar lol. Seriously one guy called GSP Jean Claude Van Damme JR, how do you have a serious discussion with that level of fan boy?
Wow u pulled of the long missing double post, you can’t be stopped anzstar_inc
haha i figure Kris will delete it eventually. i dont know why it double posted, i guess thats what i get for using my phone to post
aznstar_inc , you said it best with the ages of the fighters. BJ Penn’s opponents all old and washed up??? C’mon now… 35 is still a prime age if you haven’t taken too much punishment. Look at Couture, Shamrock, Frye and the rest still fighting in their 40s. Is Liddell old and washed up? Face it, at 155 BJ is unbeatable. At 170 he could be champion again. I would love to see him fight GSP again. It will be a different outcome the second time around.
Anzstar_inc, haha I usually use my phone to post, and it won’t let me double post owell gotta love technology forsure
DolfanG nice that u found where we are awaiting the GSP needs time off because he fought 4 times in a year and he tired guys
HOW THE HELL HAS LESNAR EARNED THE RIGHT TO FACE RANDY, THE RIGHTFUL HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP? The logical and rightful matchup would be Randy vs Nog to see who deserves the belt. With a record of 2-1, Lesnar hasn’t earned the right to face either of those guys yet. Put Lesnar against Velasquez or Kongo first and let him pay his dues before getting a shot at Randy or Nog.
OK no dissing couture but he was the 1 who walked out so the way i c it is that they should stick him against brock i think brock is the new day and age he will kill randy or nog or congo or mir now i think it was retarded to stick him against mir in the 1st place a great fight is him and that chump street brawler kimbo they think there giving him a good fight by putting him against shamrock what a joke even tito can beat him……lolololol
ya and KENFLO is one of those guys who dont get beat up much the less u get beat up the longer u can go like couture and kenflo and sherk washed up HA! hes only lost to hughes GSP and bj only exctremely good fighters
and GSP is a great fighter one of the best in best p4p fighters i would have a.silva b.penn g.st’pierre ya i ranked bj higher but miving up a wieght class makes it to hard whats bad GSP seem like he has trouble finishing people but he finished serra who wasn’t that good he finish old hughes twice but when hughes was in his prime he did beat him!! HAHAHAHA not that im not a GSP im just a bigger hughes fan!
i luv it how everybody disses brrrroooooccckkk because once he learns how 2 chock with those massive arms he will seriously take care of who ever think is man enough like seriously guys its like saying chuck will beat anderson…silva that is or like st pierre will lose 2 penn lol
i agree but penn is gonna get whiped my boy is st pierre and the only guy he had trouble finishing is finch and that was a joke but i do like hughs 2 and i think if him and alves went at normal weight it would be a different fight
i also think its bull**** how penn can just walk in and call a title shot against the MAIN MAN GEORGE…..total bull
i said or havent fought in years, sherk was on suspension who said that he hasnt kept on his conditioning with clearly showed, joe stevenson shouldnt even have been put in a match that high up, jens pulver didnt fight for 4 years, hes gettin old fighters guys whos prime were way back when im not a huge gsp fan im just sick of bj getting everything handed to him because hes bj
ya i guess about sherk but still do you expect any of them to beat bj penn
so if bj deserves to move up a weight class and challenge GSP for the title, then i guess GSP has the same right, and if they both have that right then why did a.silva have to climb the ranks? hes better than both of them…
if/when bj fights gsp it shouldnt be a title shot unless bj has fought a couple guys in the higher weight class…
I would say that GSP would have the right to move up to MW and fight the spider for his title immediately, the hell of the thing is that there is no “bad blood” between GSP and Silva no past GSP doest want that fight BJ Penn wants to fight GSP (but I wouldn’t mind seeing GSP v Anderson Silva damn that would be awesome)
1) Anderson Silva had to move “up the ranks” of the LHW division because that July 19th card was just kinda thrown together and Irvin was dumb to the he could beat Siva
2) Anderson Silva said the he only wants to fight the best fighters out there ie GSP, Chuck Liddell, Paulo Filho, its not (for him) about the titles its while he is in his prime or whatever to fight the best at any weight class because he is a true champion and accepts challenges
BJ called out GSP and hopefully because it is the right business decision, we will see that “superfight” early next year, why people can’t accept the fact that it is going to perhaps be one of the greatest fights of all time and BJ Penn is again going to fight GSP, rattles my brain….. Stop worrying about GSP’s title he earned it and has defended it, none of u guys did or have.. I wouldn’t complain if Uriajh Faber challenged BJ for his title without fighting in 155 for quite sometime, these are fighters why are people soo afraid of seeing the best fighters face each other?
JuiJitsuman, what you are missing is the fact that BJ would have had a shot at GSP a while ago if he didn’t move down to LW because the divison needed a name. BJ lost a close split discion so they have history. Thus making this fight possible. AND SERIOUSLY I SAID ALL GSP FANS READ THAT LAST POST WHERE I EXPLAIN ALL THIS! As for Anderson Silva he’s not trying to fight for the belt. He is friends with Lyoto and feels he will be the champ and would never want to fight him. Like BJ anderson moved divison for the UFC.
Mr1000lbs, Joe was coming off of 4 straight wins which was more than anyone else at the time. Thus he deserved the title shot. Sherk had 10 months off. That’s almost the same amount of time you are off when you coach TUF. Sherk never looked tired once so his conditioning wasn’t in question, his gameplan however was. He should have never tried to standup with a guy who has a reach advantage and is a faster more accurate striker. But that’s how much people respect and fear his ground game and his takedown defense.
Travis, really he only couldn’t finish Fitch? Did you watch the Kos fight? Cause he did nothing against Kos. He took him down a bunch of times and did very little to no damage against him and won a decision.
He is my question for Kris, I believe that u stated that u were going to come out with “rules” and possibly a “forum” type thing, ok if u open forums can u make one called (perhaps) the BJ Penn v GSP great debate wherein we can soley argue this over and over in a specific forum rather that forgeting the topic at hand? Just wondering
jiujitsuMAN, BJ Penn has fought guys in the higher weight class. He fought at least 2 of them last year and was in line for a shot at the title. He lost to Matt Hughes. Who do you think is more deserving of a shot at GSP than BJ Penn? I do agree that GSP should have some consideration to move up to 185 and fight Silva. I think that would be a mistake because GSP is a natural 170 while Silva is a natural 185. It might be interesting for a minute, but remember how Serra took GSP apart and then think about Silva. GSP is too small to fight Silva, but who knows? Let’s see it. Penn, on the other hand, is a former champion at 170. I admire GSP and his abilities, however if a rematch does take place between him and Penn, you’ll see a different BJ Penn. GSP is a bigger guy with long legs. Those kicks will pose a problem for Penn, but BJ will defend against the kicks and take GSP down to his his world. Penn will submit GSP in their next fight.
serra got lucky though.. and bj lose his to last WW fights and he gets a title match what?!?! and the only reason silva doesnt get a chance is because he want lyoto to become champ
aznstar_inc,
Great call about Portland. I missed the spectators by posting about the sport.
The question posed “What gives Brock the right to fight Randy?
Fat piles of Cash left in the Arena around the casinos and in the Zuffa account with Direct TV…
This fight will be the biggest gate yet…All fall sports consumers will be saying “Oscar who? Didn’t you see what Brock did to Randy? UFC man get with it…”
aznstar_inc
The first sentence was for you…Sorry for the typo…
Again, who is more deserving of a title shot at GSP than BJ Penn?.. He’s a former champ at that weight… he’s a current champ at the next weight down… his last fight with GSP was a split decision that could have gone either way… he has beaten with prejudice every opponnet he has faced since he fought Matt Hughes… Has anybody else got those credentials? If the UFC thinks GSP moving up to fight Silva would be a better monet maker, then let’s see that fight. If there’s anything left of GSP, then he could defend his title against BJ Penn later. Either way is fine with me.
One more thing about Captain America…
If you are a fan that’s fine. I just think we should separate ourselves from the sport and the business a little. I don’t like everything the UFC/Zuffa does but with Randy I have to agree with Dana…
Randy has a history of problems in business
We have had RAW/then TEAM QUEST/and Now Extreme Couture. All the time it was someone else not playing fair. Also he is on his third marriage and its the spouse that’s the problem(Married Guys will tell you its a 2 way street) Sooner or later you have to connect the dots. Randy’s problem is Randy.Zuffa ponied up the cash they deserve the cash. The contract was for fighting in the UFC…Own up to it…
UFCfan, the greatest part about Matt Serra getting lucky against GSP is that I won like 500 bucks (us) because my friend was off his rocker and gave me the spread or whatever u call it, I was like F it I mean I like GSP (again I’m one of the few that actually is of a fan of GSP and BJ Penn) but the +/- of the whole thing was financially benifitial as is this super fight between GSP and BJ Penn its business
Dietrich, I agree with that completely. Randy signed the contract and I’m sure he knew how much he would be paid when he signed the contract. He should just man up and fight out his contract and then move on and try to get a fight with Fedor. Time is running out, but he should have thought about that when he signed the contract. The only way he would have a right to complain would be if he wasn’t paid what he was promised and signed for.
(to many to read so will just comment) move anderson silva up and let them to go at it should be fun to watch plus a better main even for december then mir vs the human punch bag
Couture??? with him “coming back” to the UFC pretty much means he lost and wasted a bunch of peoples time and money, instead of him fighting Big Nog hell whoever over the last year he goes to court and says he only wants to fight Fedor wtf man now u are coming back to possibly fight Lesnar or Justin McCully (hahaha), shi± man we know its not going to be Fedor (no US compete clause with Affliction) soo thx for a year of uncertainty, I had to go back to the original subject matter for a minute
So 5 oz. Of pain is reporting that it is looking like the UFC and Randy are working on a new contract. The new contract would be for 3 fights with the 1st most likely coming against Brock at UFC 91 in Portland. Then possibly the winner of of Mir/Nog should he win. And even maybe co promoting a bout (like Gonzo said a while ago) with M-1 and having a Fedor Couture match under the UFC banner…and please believe Dana White is laughing at affliction and Mark Cuban as we speak.
And before we have the Brock hasent earned a title shot and blah blah blah. Rand would probably vacate the title till he could fight Nog/Mir. Remember BJ Penn didn’t lose the WW belt, he lost it cause he breached his contract. So it is very possible that Randy will have to do the same thing.
Ya I saw that at 5oz, also BE, but I won’t hold my breath over anything about Randy til either its up @ UFC.com or Dana makes the announcement himself, I do agree that Dana will be looking at both Cuban and T-Shirt boy with a “we are the fu¤king best company” grin on his face
I hadn’t been by 5oz in a long time they still all about promoting Kimbo and EliteXC cuz Caplan is the ProElite head writer?
Yea I don’t normally check that site either, but my friend reead it and then sent me the page
im a fan of both GSP and bj but to me GSP had the first fight won not a split dicision bj did won first roung but i thought GSP dominated round 2 and 3
UFCfan, you and I have different theories on dominance. I have always been real big on takedowns not counting as much as striking. GSP tripped BJ a lot in that fight, BJ would stand back up and get tripped again. If you do nothing after you take them down it shouldn’t be given as much weight as someone winning the striking game. GSP is the greatest blanket ever. He didn’t hurt Kos or BJ on the floor, that’s why I say he’s overrated.
And to be honest I was a big GSP fan. But since I’ve been posting on this site ive started disliking him more n more. The GSP fan boys on this site borderline make me sick with the nut hugging that goes on. Same thing with Roger Huerta, I liked dude had some great fights. But before the Kenflo fight everyone was just so high on him and slurping him so much I stopped liking him.
I like huerta but not as much as kenflo. iI expected kenflo to win huerta was undefeated but he won against guida who he wasnt better than he got extremely POed in the end and beat him but guida is the better fighter dominating him for 2 rounds and koing him in the 2nd round for like 3 seconds
Anyway will see who wins even though this big debate will go on forever until the fight happens and i expect GSP to win and there are you guys who think bj will win but still we will always have our different opinoins. and i will still alyaws be fans of both
And i would really want to thank kris i love this website thanks for making it!!!
Well I just got a text saying Randy/Brock in november winner faces Fedor on the BJ/GSP card. Which means that card could be a HUGE PAYDAY!
what about bjs record, when he fought for the title jens pulver was his only win since the beginning of 04′ and that was only 2nd win since mid 02′ and stevensons only impressive win was over Kurt Pellegrino joe silvas been doing a good job but give these guys title shots who deserve em