Just when you thought it was safe to get back to MMA news…
It would appear that UFC middleweight Chael Sonnen’s coach, Scott McQuarry, had planned on appealing to to the Nevada State Athletic Commission on the grounds that the “American Gangster” was hit with an illegal thigh to the face during his UFC 148 bout with Anderson Silva. McQuarry’s mind has ostensibly changed while his heart certainly has not. McQuarry will instead file an appeal to the UFC to have an immediate rematch between the two take place as he told Jonathan Snowden.
“At the point of impact, Anderson had his hand locked in the cage and his feet left the ground. We believe his intentions were clear.
We started the process of filing a complaint with the Nevada Athletic Commission. We believe the knee that Anderson Silva threw was illegal with the clear intent to strike the face. And it did in fact connect with the face. Chael bit his tongue and needed eight stitches.
We’re going to ask for a rematch. We deserve a rematch. If the only way Anderson Silva can win is by cheating, we need to keep a closer eye on Silva before and during a fight. And we need a rematch now. Legal knee or illegal knee, there’s enough doubt with all the fouls to warrant a rematch.”
There you have it, Sonnen’s coach will be angling for a third meeting with the Brazilian. Meanwhile Chael, himself, and the rest of his camp have said nothing on the topic, his manager, Mike Roberts, even denied the claims by saying, “someone is making it up.”
If we may be honest for a few moments, McQuarry doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Analyzing the knee (Gif courtesy of Zombie Prophet), one can see that Anderson’s hand was posted on the cage after his feet left the ground, not locked, most importantly, his knee landed on the chest of the challenger at the point of impact.
Pursuant to the Unified Rules of MMA, posting on the cage is not illegal, grabbing it is. The rules also state in section 15, article A:17, “kneeing the head of a grounded opponent” is a foul. Silva’s knee landed squarely on Sonnen’s sternum. Finally, filing an appeal based on “intent” is utter foolishness as there was no foul committed on impact. If a foul was not committed, an argument that a strike was intended to be a foul is moot.
If there is a case to be made, it should be pointed out that Anderson once again rubbed excess vaseline from his face onto his chest, which he’s made a habit of doing (and Lavigne wiped him off to be sure). Silva grabbing Chael’s shorts would be the strongest point to use in an appeal, although Sonnen admits that he “grabbed his shorts right back”. If he does plan on filing an appeal to Zuffa brass, he should definitely rethink his approach as the strike in question was 100% legal, despite what he feels “The Spider’s” intent was.
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Seriously. I thought I’d be done writing about UFC 148 by now. It’s taken up about 90% of my work for the last week.
Should have coached him on what to do in mount for over a minute. Some fighters can FINISH a fight from there. Not Chael
Wow Levi no credit for Spider (the GOTA) when its convenient to bash Sonnen huh. Seems about right coming from you.
I agree…sounds like someone’s crying over spilled milk…I’ll admit that I really wanted to see Sonnen win, but it just wasn’t in the cards…if his coach really thought it was illegal, she should have thrown a hissy fit in the middle of the ring when it happened…your boy lost and there’s nothing more to be said, and this is coming from someone who was disappointed that Sonnen lost…
I think adding “Despite Lack of Case” to the title is a bit of poor reporting, as titles are usually supposed to contain facts, and that is pretty much an opinion. I would say there is obviously a case, in that Spider threw the knew at his face, and accomplished his goal. The knee grazes off Sonnen’s face and hits his chest (http://www.mmatko.com/anderson-silva-vs-chael-sonnen-knee-gif-from-ufc-148/), but it’s still illegal, and still should technically be overturned. We’ve seen fights get overturned for this before (i.e. Charles Oliveira/Nik Lentz less than a year ago), and this could easily be turned into a NC. The greasing and short grabbing is not so arguable, but a knee to the face of a downed opponent, especially in a championship fight, should be called to question every single time.
Now, we all know that this will never happened, but that does not mean there is a lack of a case whatsoever. There is just lack of motivation for anyone to do anything about it.It almost seems like people were so disappointed that Sonnen blew it with that backfist, and so happy to reaffirm that Spider was the “GOAT”, that we all just quickly overlooked the knee to the face without a second thought. Even I did originally. But now that I have had time to reflect, this is obviously a fight that should be turned into a NC IMO. Although it will never happen.
Didn’t name it. Linked a gif in the article too. Knee clearly hits the chest and Chael had his guard up so the thigh barely even touched the face. If McQuarry wants to have a case, he needs to change his argument. As it stands, everything he said was incorrect. Also, this is predominantly an editorial piece, not a news article, save for the intro which was needed to give a background as to what I was talking about.
I am bewildered how anyone could watch that GIF, and claim that there is no way that Spider’s knee hit Sonnen’s face. Even if you are biased towards Spider, I dont get it.
BTW tip on posting links in WP – you can change the settings so they open in a new window. Much easier for the users. Thanks.
Because I’m looking at the oversized gif and zoomed into it.
i watched it for five minutes and did not ever see the knee hit sonnen’s face. It hit his sternum. I think you might need some glasses sir.
Funny. Chael (or his camp is) that Anderson cheated to win. Though what would have been the case if Chael won back in the original fight. I call juicing up to 16.5-1 is way worse. Sonnen go tell someone who cares
Chael hasn’t said anything about it, neither has the rest of his camp, just the coach. Chael even said in the post-fight presser that the knee hit him in the chest.
Considering he was never even charged with juicing, that makes you a
tool, “Bob.”Unnecessary – Lex415
I am bewildered how anyone could watch that GIF, and claim that there was any way that Spider’s knee hit Sonnen’s face. Even if you are biased towards Sonnen, I dont get it.
I am bewildered as to which fight u watched and what illegal strike u are referring too…and im a chael fan
LOL I also read that Chael had to get 8 stitches cause he bit his tongue? Is there any truth to that since I saw no blood afterwards at all. I think Chael knows what happened. And I think the vicious part of the knee landed exactly where it should have. And the soft part of his thigh pressed against his face in the process.
Wow Panda you made a funny. Well guys, I can’t tell you what you’re seeing, but if you can’t admit that knee makes contact with the face then you have some serious integrity issues. Is it enough to overturn the fight, maybe not. Will it get overturned, of course not. I don’t really care if people want to deny it, or whether it gets overturned. But if that’s your guy taking the knee, or if the guy throwing the knee isn’t your guy, it may be a little easier to admit the knee was thrown at the face and connected. Sonnen did end up getting 8 stitches on his tongue too.
What’s the point of denying it so vehemently anyway. Spider won. He looked good in the second round. It won’t be overturned and all is intact.
To me I can’t see titling it that way, even as an Editorial. As at worse its a judgement call on whether the knee touched the face or not (apparently) so saying he doesn’t have a case borders trying to sway opinions into facts. Not saying that’s what you’re doing or anything, but you know how impressionable people aren’t ;) Anyway its your show, so who cares what I think :)
NSAC already denied the appeal, hence there’s no case.
And Chael, himself, said the knee hit him in the chest in the post-fight conference. So… yeah, pretty much no case.
plus it didn’t hit him in the face…
If this decision gets overturned for that then Jorge Riveras decision against bisbing should also be overturned lol, and when josh Koscheck got glanced with the knee and faked getting hit by it fully. You have to be joking, a guy gets just touched by an illegel blow and goes on to lose then they will appeal and get a win, what next a suspect blow that may of hit the back of someones head causes a decision to be overturned lol
Get Real he lost convincingly, go back and earn another shot and try again
all u guys saying that the knee hit his face or any other part of his head are fu*king crazy or blind. i hate Anderson Silva and was pulling for Red White and Blue all the way…sh*t, i even had my avatar bet on Chael over in the forum section, but no way Andersons knee hit chaels face. his thigh came in contact for sure..clear as day. But to say his knee hit Chaels head is a far cry to insanity. the gif posted on here sucks as far as quality wise, but i have watched it on my tv in HD 100 times real time and in super slow mo and well….no way in he*l, heaven or earth did the knee hit Chaels face. a little grease..yes, some shorts pulling..for sure, illegal knee to a downed opponent…not a chance. Anderson won that fair and square as far as the strike goes.
I think I got this figured out… Devin is Scott McQuarry
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8 stitches in his tongue? He didn’t seem to be bleeding/wiping blood from his mouth in the rogan interview nor the press conference. Does this mean he was sewed up before the presser? If so he spoke very well for a guy who has stitches in his tongue, I couldn’t detect any impediment.
I’ve been saying the same thing all day
I wondered that myself, especially since he’s wearing a mouthpiece
Jim miller almost bit his tounge off with a mouthpiece in.
he lost his if you’re referring to the Diaz fight
@thatguy1369
I was pretty sure Miller had spit out his mouth piece, assuming you are talking about his fight with Nate Diaz.
Ur right,he did. I stand corrected. Was still cool tho
No guard for your bottom teeth.
Yeah but usually when you’re hit you clamp down on the mouthpiece, it’s possible, but Chael did a crap load of interviews and such after the fight. I know I’d never been able to talk that much after I bit a part of my tongue off in training, but I also made the mistake of having my mouth open.
Well he could conceivably bite his tongue wearing a mouthpiece, they do pop out. Somehow he apparently got stitches, I mean unless his coach just made it up.
Yeah Chris, but the tense the title is written with, was stating it as before the appeal was made, and hence denied. But I can still be wrong, I don’t mind.
I’m not Scott McQuarry although my middle name is Scott, so there may some bias there. ;)
I don’t think the knee firmly planted into his jaw, but just that it made some impact with his head. You say thigh, I say upper knee. Whatever. The point is that spider threw it full force while standing into Sonnen’s face and body while he was sitting. It was pretty brutal. Some similar instances have resulted in NCs so it was at least conceivable. But we all knew there was no way it was being overturned. Had it been the other way…maybe. maybe not. Sonnen’s coach said he admitted it to him that it landed, so it did, unless Sonnen or his coach was lying.
Sonnen did not say specifically that the knee didn’t hit his face Jesse, sorry, but he didn’t. He said it wasn’t his job to make that call and didn’t make it an excuse. At least not at the presser.
It either did hit him or it didn’t, only spider and Sonnen really know. So for anyone to declare definitely that it did or didn’t is really arguing opinion. That’s really the point.
NSAC rejected the claim and McQuarry said he would appeal to the UFC literally as the article was being written. Note, it says “to the UFC.”
What is the UFC going to do? They don’t have the authority over NSAC to change anything.
“It either did hit him or it didn’t, only spider and Sonnen really know. So for anyone to declare definitely that it did or didn’t is really arguing opinion. That’s really the point.”
sorry bro I like reading your stuff and enjoy your debating talents especially since I have issues of putting my thoughts to keyboard. but this doesn’t make sense. Not only does Spider and Sonnen know, so does everyone else who has this dvr’d, googled, gif’d or whatever. I’ve watched it a few times because someone outside of this site said that silva used the fence to apply force. (which isn’t true) But upper knee doesn’t work for me.
There was contact but the force of it was easily into his sternum. The thigh or upper knee as your saying is more of a push to the face and not an attack. Maybe it made him bite his tongue but I don’t believe that he did that either way.
I like how u put it dude. I am baffled myself about the big debate. Even a blind sac judge could see it was a clean shot. If it hit hom in the face, u can bet ur house that xhael would have been the first person to point that out..it should be a no brainer and ALL the footage proves it.
If the knee cap connects to the chest and the thigh hits the head, the thigh does not matter according the way the rules are. The main impact point (the kneecap) has to occur to the head, not the secondary impact, for it to be a foul. That’s how the refs are taught. You can’t compare it to Lentz and Oliveira because that wasn’t even debatable, the ref straight up missed it. Lavigne perfectly refereed the strike by moving in as it occurred to be sure, if there was any doubt he could have looked at the monitor. This strike was much closer to Rashad vs. Tito and in that case the top of Evans thigh also makes contact with Tito’s head, still a legal strike.
Upper knee?
Oh for sure they don’t. I mean if the NSAC didn’t overturn Bradley/PacMan then It was almost laughable for his coach to even present it in reality. :) Per the letter of the law I thought it was at least conceivable it could be overturned, but in reality I never assumed they’d even look at it.
Yesss Swami….upper kneee…give me a break :) shouldn’tt you be calling the homerun derby right now anyway ;)
@Chris Leslie
And of course, he was only looking for an immediate rematch, which was probably the only plausible result he hoped for. I know that would never happen either, but if Sonnen really did get hit in the face with the knee area at all, I can’t blame the coach for trying.
Kizer said Chael never brought it up when they spoke while Chael was going through his medicals and that was the time to bring it up.
Actually, they could have overturned it, by rule, but Lavigne and NSAC agreed the knee was not illegal before and after seeing a replay. They changed that after the controversial decision in the first AJ vs. Kevin Burns fight because they were handicapped by the rules then.
Sorry if i offended you. I take it back back back back GONE!
This ones outa heeeeerrrrrrreeeeee
Devin,
I used to respect your takes, even when I disagreed with you.
Please quit fiending on denial, and get help. It’s beginning to get embarrasing…..
1. The knee was illegal.
2. The soulder was nothing but a suckerpunch.
Haha. Alright alright, well I’ve already lost seemingly 2 of my cyber friends tonight, so maybe its time I start cleaning up my act a bit :) haha. No but I am not trying to make any one wrong here or create antagonism, which I have occasionally been guilty of…on purpose or not. So I’m sorry if I Did. I will say I didn’t really have a take, nor did I bring up the knee to any of my friends or even live at the bar I was at (actually I was just bummed and murmuring that Sonnen threw that errant back fist and put himself on the ground in the first place), and definitely paid close attention to how he handled the imminent question about the knee, which he glazed over as a nonissue. And it wasn’t until I read that his coach said Sonnen admitted to him that the knee did strike his face did I start to think there might be an argument there. I will say I only saw it on the big screen from afar and on a crapy gif on my laptop, and I can’t honestly say that I know it hit him or know it didn’t hit him. But obviously, as Chris said, Sonnen didn’t bring it up when it would have been appropriate (to me indicating that Sonnen knew he was outclassed regardless, and one thing you can say about him is he doesn’t make excuses), and anyway depending how the strike landed it may not have been per the letter of the law anyways to make it illegal.
I basically just based it off what Sonnen’s coach said. And @clown that was my point. I can’t fully tell how it hit him, and truly probably only Sonnen knows if he felt any knee bone. But yes, if he honestly told his coach he felt it was illegal, regardless of whether 99% of the people commenting agree or saw that, I would believe him. I personally just think that if Sonnen did actually feel it, it wouldn’t matter what we all say. But again it depends if his coach is even telling the truth. And @frantzfanon, I’m sure you usually disagree with me, and I’d like to find a happy resolution where we could get back to you having a pure respectful disagreement with my thoughts haha. I swear I’ll repent all denial ;)
Anyway, this is my first taste of message boards ever, so its taken me some time to figure it all out. At first it can be this confusing annoying cluster of f where it seems like people are just spouting random tangents and trolls (partially true) mixed in with people letting off steam, or just being d*cks, but then there are the rational just honest, interested takes, which I personally come here for and enjoy. Now I basically know who all the regulars are, and who the pundits are etc, and who are the trolls and passerbyers just stirring up stuff. And I genuinely love basically all the banter. But I realized early on that we are all basically just big mma fans, who whether we have opposing favorites or not, prob we’d agree on 99% of eachothers true feelings, which can sometimes be hard to put into words. Hell 5 of you could have been at the bar with me and we would have had good chatter about the fights even if one of us thought for sure tito won and the other forrest. That’s why I try to stay away from all the personal stuff now and just at least try to keep it somewhat respectful and on subject (although occasionally integrity to uphold a particular belief gets the best of me;)).
Anyway I love the banter, and I love the debate, and I even love talking smack from time to time, but overall I come on (mostly thru the mobile app) not to make baseless accusations or points, but instead to just talk good mma with other people who share my unhealthy addiction. I honestly didn’t come on and share my thoughts that I thought Sonnen did get hit to be a troll or to be combative (and I never make a comment just for that sake), so I hope that no one feels I’m making them wrong or just trying to be a d*ck or a douche…although I admit I still am learning how to word some things better ;). I dowish I knew what was really going on between Sonnen and his coach, and why his camp doesn’t seem to know anything about it. But at the end of the day that chapter is over, at least for now, and the only real topic to me is who will spider fight next. I think (hope) Hendo, as my top choice…after bones of course, and hopefully one day soon Belcher. But I am no Joe Silva ;)
I watched it over multiple times in regular and slow motion. It looks like the quad hits Chael’s face first, then the knee hits the body after. I asked chrisl if it was still a legal blow and he said yes. He knows what he’s talking about, so I believe him.
@swami lol
@thatguy1369 I’m glad we could agree and I could be insane to you all in one take ;) sorry dude I just thought it looked pretty close. Close enough to cause quite a bit of banter anyway. And apparently even Sonnen telling his coach it hit his face. But I could be insane. Well I am insane, but I could be wrong :)
The quad hit Sonnen’s face, so maybe that’s what he felt.
@devin
Hey man, im not tryin to start drama with ya and the “insane” comment was just a figure of speach..i wasnt attackin ya. I pop off at the mouth or in this case…the keyboard alot. Its just the way my head works and when i see something with my own 2 eyes a thousand and one times and at 500 different speeds and picture defanitions and see the same obvious thing everytime …and then read 20 diff people see something different, im like WTF? Was there a hidden round that i missed? Was my 55 bucks not enough to see what a few others saw?lol. I. Knew there would be a good debate over the situation untill the gif or vid poped up and it would be clear cut and put to rest…but its not. All and all the i just post on random comments i either agree with or i really really really disagree wirh. Ill admit that that im not a good main page poster and ive been mod’ed plenty of times. Not as many as my copyright hero dbiz but a few. We have a good time in the forum section where all of us old and new schoolers chat it up MK and MMA style. I will be the first to invite ya over and im sure the other forum members who are reading this will agree that….its more of the big boy table of the site. Besides the avatars half of our forum members are about to be rockin…myself included, its a little more mature and alot less main page bull shlt..hope to see ya over there.
@5
Whats up with the avatar pics and sigs?
@thatguy1369
I was supposed to do the avatar and signature for Team Silva if Chael won. People from Team Silva, like Will and Jason are supposed to do the avatar and signature for us Sonnenators to sport. If you guys want me to find or think of something, just let me know and I’ll figure something out, but I’m guessing Will and Jason would like to do it.
@thatguy1369
Totally cool man, I didn’t even think you were. I appreciate you mentioning the forums and I really wanna get on them. I almost always use my phone when accessing mmafrenzy and the forums don’t have a mobile version yet, so I think I somehow jacked up my login trying to do it over the phone.
Speaking of which…
@Chris Leslie
Do you handle IT too by any chance? I emailed the generic email address for mmafrenzy a couple weeks ago trying to get my login figured out and don’t think I ever heard back. Haven’t checked by spam in a bit so it could be there, I’ll check…
I don’t get those emails unfortunately, is the email you have listed for the site valid? I’ll email you through there if need be.
Hey Chris, yes that email is good. I’d really appreciate any help you can give! Thanks…
@five-alive
Yeah up above Chris said that the knee cap has to strike the head on primary impact, its not even illegal on secondary impact. It Is possible that it was the thigh he felt. I still feel like it was too dangerous of a shot, and too close to 100% definitely guarantee that no knee cap came in contact with chin, but apparently its easier to see on bigger screens.
@Chris Leslie
Yeah it wasn’t the same exact circumstance, but from the angle I remember it wasn’t completely in view how the knee hit, but close enough to be more obvious (and much closer than Sonnen/spider to be clear). But damn you just love shutting me down, but never giving me any props huh ;) prob has nothing to do with anything I’ve ever said in the past right haha :) I’m playing, its all good. But I would say this instance was not as clear as Rashad/tito, and was more somewhere in between that and lentz/oliveira. Just saying.
@devin
I can 100% guarantee that the kneecap didn’t come in contact with the head. I have it recorded and I just looked at it again. It was the bottom of Silva’s quad that hit Chael’s face, right above the knee, it wasn’t the knee cap though. When Anderson was throwing the knee, Chael started to bring his arms up and tuck his chin, then turned his head to the right. Right after that, the bottom of Andy’s quad hits Chael’s face, then the knee hit his chest. It was close, around a few inches higher and the knee cap would of made contact with his head/face.
I’m a big fan of Chael Sonnen and have been for years, before he was in the UFC and put on his acts. I looked at this a ton of times and if I felt the kneecap hit Chael’s face I would definitely be behind his coach and him 100%. If I wasn’t 100% sure, I wouldn’t of said anything. Unfortunately, I am sure that it wasn’t the kneecap.
What I think Chael should do is use this knee, the grabbing of the shorts and his dominance in the 1st round to try and talk his way up the ladder. If he’s successful, he’ll get a title shot a lot sooner then, later. He’d probably have to win around 2 fights and he could get another crack at the belt. If he doesn’t use this to talk his way up the ladder, then he might not ever get another title shot again. He got 2 already, so he’d have to win a bunch of fights before getting 3rd shot and that could take too long.
I became a bigger sonnen fan for how he handled himself in post fight press conference. He did not make excuses for the legal knee or the shorts. He gave credit where it was due. So the LAST thing he should do is try to talk himself into a title fight.
@Mikemac
I know that him talking himself into a title shot would ruin his image again, but that’s probably his only chance in getting another title shot. He said he doesn’t want to come back just to fight. If he comes back it’ll be to try and become champion. If he tries to climb his way up the ladder with wins, it would probably take too long and he won’t make it to a third title shot, especially if Anderson’s still the champ.
If he talks his way into it, he won’t have to fight nearly as many fights, before getting a title shot, even if Anderson’s still champ. Maybe even more so if Anderson’s the champ because he’s using what happened in their last fight to climb the ladder. Also, if Chael talked his way into it, a trilogy fight would make tons of money and DW would love that.
I was a fan of Chael years ago, before he was in the UFC, and I knew he truly is the type of person he was in the post fight presser, that’s why I still cheer for him and never took any of the smack talk serious or personal. It would be nice to see him stay like that, but since talking his way up the ladder is probably his only chance at getting another title shot, I’m all for it.
@five
I agree and also liked him prior to his UFC run. This whole persona since his first fight with Anderson was to score another fight. He had a great interview on the joe rogan podcast and he seems very intelligent and witty. But based on this fight I just don’t see him getting another shot against silva. He’s a big dude so fighting at 205 isn’t out of the question and I think he would do well against a lot of the guys there. If he stays at 85 he needs Anderson to retire to get another shot at the belt.
@Mikemac
I agree, he won’t get another shot at Silva, unless he can talk his way into another fight with him and this issue is probably the only thing he could use to try and do that. If anyone could do it, it’s Chael.
I know Chael’s a big 185er, but he wouldn’t be a big 205er if he moved up. He probably has enough for 1 more title run and I don’t think he’ll be successful at 205. Even if he did do well at 205, he’d have a better chance against Silva, than he would against Jones. If Chael walks around with less weight and doesn’t have to cut so much in such a short period, than he should be fine at 185.
If Chael can talk his way up the ladder, he could get a trilogy fight with Anderson. He would be using what happened in their last fight to climb the ladder. If he could get a couple wins and keep hyping up a 3rd fight between Siva and him. He could very well get another shot. It would make tons of money and that’s what DW wants, so the UFC would definitely consider it.
Sincethe replay shows that it was totally legal there is no point in saying this:
but…
“Hey Chael, ain’t karma a bitch”?
Besides win or lose against Jones,
Hendo is a w a y …… w a y …….more serious threat to Anderson.
So Chael STFU & shut up and quit trying lamely to jump the queue.
I read your post and wonder how some poeple can type such stupid shiit.
First off, Chael ISN’T SAYING ANYTHING!! Nor is his camp. Its this one guy. Also, when Kizer talked to Chael about the b!tch shoulder tap, Chael said that he DIDN’T want Anderson fined. Further, Chael hasn’t asked for a rematch and even said in the post fight presser that he’s not going to ask for anything. So I’m not sure where all this misguided anger towards Chael is coming from.
Secondly, “STFU” and “shut up” are the same thing. There’s no need to say one right after the other. Its a little redundant. Thanks. :)
Mikemac – good point he’s a big 205 er.. Also he promised to beat up a certain karate guy. that’ll be fun to watch.. It’s gotta be the only fight ’cause its already on the table. Only thing is it’s a bad match up for Chael imo as Machida has great tdd. it might be fun to watch as machida will pepper for 2 and finish in the third probably – Chael has a good chin, and if he gets to ‘GnH’ (ground and hump) who knows.
He’s a big 185er, not 205er.
American Gangster
Maybe I am not clear on the term, but if your coach/camp plans to file an appeal that does not sound Gangster-like to me.
An American Gangster (in this case a cage fighter) should handle his business in the cage, not have his team try to overturn the fight outside of the cage. I know it’s Chael’s people and not necessarily him, but if he’s paying them, he should tell them to shut up and go sit in the corner.
Chael came to fight and was unsuccessful. He talked crap and showed up to duke it out – that’s gangstery.This type of post-fight rhetroic takes attention away from his efforts in my opinion.
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Also, I am not saying anything against Chael. He was big enough to give props to the champ so everyone else should. Also Anderson was big enough to squash the beef with Chael so everyone else should. If the two people fighting can reach agreement on what happened, I’m not sure why anyone else would have a reason for dispute on any level.
I can really appreciate your last paragraph specifically. Nice post.
@fcfighter
no but really, he is an american gangster, i saw it written on his police record under “job”.
1. The knee was illegal <– The fight should be considered NC.
2. The shoulder was nothing but a suckerpunch <– The spider should be punished. Not warned. My personal opinion is that this was just as ugly as the Daley/Kos suckerpunch (even with different circumstances).
Sonnen is to smart to whine about either of the two. Even if he shares this opinion with me.
Go Chael, whatever's next.
@Vic
1. The knee was completely legal. At no time did the knee hit Chael’s face. I think Chris worded it the best in the forums yesterday.
2. The shoulder was obviously not the smartest thing Silva has done in previous fights, but how can you claim that his actions were just as “ugly” as the Kos/Daley incident? The sucker punch Daley delivered was much worse.
its obvious that silva ws worried about losing since he had to rub vasiline on his body and throws punches while holding on to the shorts..he even was holding on to the shorts to avoid the take down…A. silva what a fuckn cheater holding the shorts to avoid a take down and to punch is as bad ass taking steriods..he cheated in plain sight and hes till champ…thats crap… anderson sux and we need a new better middle weight champ… give silva a super fight…
@Vash
Must I keep bringing back @Chris’ comments to make sense of all this Silva “Greasing/Holding Shorts” business?
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the knee might have been legal but you are all overlooking the fact that he was greasing himself and he stopped a take down by holding on to sonnens shorts…cmon what kinda crap is that….
I finally watched the GIF blown up on a big screen in slo-mo and I tell ya..it may have not been the knee cap, but it sure was close. Def centimeters. It’s more the ferocity of the knee, and how close it was that make me understand why Sonnen’s coach was so bent. And when you couple it with the grease (which was wiped off), and the shorts grabbing, that while Sonnen brushed it off, it still is a pretty big deal when you’re a wrestler. and you have just dominated 6 straight rounds using that wrestling. They can all be analyzed and overlooked on their own, but when you put them together I can see why his coach might have been a little upset.
If McQuarry was one of our coaches I dont think we’d be mad at him for wanting to defend us a little bit. So I think all the barrages of criticism are a little unwarranted. Especially anything said against Sonnen, who i think handled it all like a man.
Regardless, Sonnen put the nail in the coffin on the argument today in his interview with Fuel. I think he will continue to fight and will eventually earn another shot against Spider, or whoever it is.
Umm I’m not to experienced in video evidence but surely the fact that after the fight cheal told joe rogan that Anderson hit him with “good knee” kinda says the knee was perfectly legal!
Also cheal is very outspoken and holds nothing back so surely after the fight he would of said something…. As for andersons tactics … While wrong its very common from all fighters … Even the supposed great gsp against bj penn…. In the end sonnen when on his back against the cage gave up! He looked scared and simply got smashed !
CHAEL LOST BIG TIME WINING IS WINING SAD1 MOVE ON.
THE SPIDER STILL THE CHAMP