Carlos Condit outpointed Nick Diaz to win the interim UFC welterweight title and earn a shot at champion Georges St-Pierre with a unanimous decision victory in the main event of UFC 143 on Saturday night in Las Vegas.
Condit stuck to his game plan throughout the five-round fight, as he frequently tagged Diaz with well-timed punches and kicks while constantly circling away to avoid Diaz’s patented combinations. Diaz threatened to finish Condit in the final minute as he took his back, controlled him with a body triangle, and tried for both a choke and armlock, but ran out of time before the final bell sounded.
The judges then awarded Condit the unanimous decision win by 48-47, 49-46, and 49-46 scores.
Condit, now 28-5 with five-straight wins, applauded Diaz’s efforts and said it will be an honor to challenge St-Pierre in a fight that is expected to take place around November, though whether Condit fights in the meantime remains undecided, while Diaz’s first loss in more than four years seemed to baffle the 28-year-old, as he said he may call it quits after believing he did enough to win the fight.
Heavyweight Fabricio Werdum successfully returned to the Octagon in UFC 143′s co-main event as he earned a unanimous decision over The Ultimate Fighter 10 winner Roy Nelson. Also on the pay-per-view main card, Josh Koscheck edged Mike Pierce in a split decision, bantamweight contender Renan Barao earned a unanimous decision over Scott Jorgensen, and Ed Herman continued his momentum with a second-round submission of Clifford Starks.
Rising featherweight Dustin Poirier capped off UFC 143′s preliminary card with a first-round armbar and triangle choke combination from mount over newcomer Max Holloway, while Edwin Figueora, Matt Brown, Matt Riddle, Rafael Natal, and Stephen Thompson were also victorious earlier on the card.
The complete UFC 143 results were:
MAIN CARD
- Carlos Condit def. Nick Diaz via unanimous decision (48-47, 49-46, 49-46)
Interim UFC Welterweight Championship - Fabricio Werdum def. Roy Nelson via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)
- Josh Koscheck def. Mike Pierce via split decision (28-29, 29-28, 29-28)
- Renan Barao def. Scott Jorgensen via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)
- Ed Herman def. Clifford Starks via submission (rear naked choke) – Round 2, 1:43
- Dustin Poirier def. Max Holloway via submission (mounted armbar/triangle) – Round 1, 3:23
- Edwin Figueroa def. Alex Caceres via split decision (28-27, 27-28, 28-27)
- Matt Brown def. Chris Cope via KO (punches) – Round 2, 1:19
- Matt Riddle def. Henry Martinez via split decision (28-29, 29-28, 29-28)
- Rafael Natal def. Michael Kuiper via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 29-28)
- Stephen Thompson def. Dan Stittgen via KO (kick) – Round 1, 4:13
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awesome fight love diaz and condit!
I love how all these Diaz lovers are already complaining how Diaz got robbed. Saying he had to chase Condit the whole fight. But in reality Condit took a page from Diaz’s own book. He out pointed him in the striking category.
Reality is Ryan, Condit literally RAN when Diaz was punching him the face against the cage. scoring is based on aggression, effective striking, and octagon control. All went to Diaz hands down. I gave the fourth to Condit, but Diaz clearly won that fight.
You can win a round off of agression and octagon control, but not if you take more damage than the other guy in the process.
Condit outstiking Diaz > Diaz chasing condit
Thats what won this fight
agreed sempeckx, coming forward and damaging is one thing, coming forward and getting damaged is another…
These judges are boxing judges. In boxing, if a fighter is backing up the whole time and landing the occasional “pitter patter” strike they will win the round nine times out of ten. Timidness is a foul in the unified rules of mma. Compubox goes to Diaz in EVERY round except for the fourth. He won aggression and he had condit backing up about 90% of the time.(octagon control.) Congratulations your about to see the most boring title fight in UFC history, (GSP vs Condit.)
And I’m sure you’ll be around to complain about it the whole time, right?
Condit won fair and square he ran yes but only when he was pressed against the cage where diaz would have huge advantage that’s smart and Condit threw and landend at least twice maybe even triple what diaz did. Diaz lost bcause he was lazy, he slowly walked after condit in stead of rushing in and throwing punches, he mocked condit for three rounds when condit was winning and he deserves to lose because he didn’t fight seriously and hes showing what a child he is by threating to retire. Dana should have dragged his ass out of the octagon gave him his pay check and fired his ass.
I have to agree with SempeckX2, Condit’s striking outweighed Diaz’s ‘control,’ though I would argue Condit dictated a lot of the fight by forcing Diaz to come to him, picking his punches carefully, and moving away.
I have no problem whatsoever with Condit’s running, it’s not like you can expect him to just stand in front of Diaz and get punched. He ducked under Diaz’s punches, set up in a new spot, and waited for him to come get him and got the better of the exchanges. If Diaz didn’t like him running away he needed to find a way to shut it down and he didn’t until he got him down in the last minute.
When he ducked under Diaz punches and moved out to the side he was landing big body shots too…call it running but the big factor in the fight was the footwork and movement of Condit, he fought a great gameplan.
@kriskarkoski @SempeckX2
I agree with you guys. I believe Condit controlled that fight by making Diaz follow him, then outstriking him with smart punches and kicks and avoiding most of Diaz’s strikes.
I don’t really look at it as Condit was running. He was circling Diaz and when he would get close to the fence then he would quickly move out of the way and back into the middle of the octagon. while doing that he would land strikes of his own on Diaz as well.
IMO running is when you’re being out struck by your opponent and are unable to land strikes of your own so you stop striking and start to run away to avoid all the punishment. Condit continued to strike and wasn’t taking any punishment from Diaz, he was avoiding it, using great footwork/movement and landing shots of his own. Great gameplan from Condit and his camp and great job in executing it to the fullest.
brandon…i take it your a diaz fan. Octagonal control goes to diaz?? Condit outclassed him in delivery…faster and more accurate striking. How is that acheived without controlling the fight? Condit picked him off piecemeal from start to finish and diaz seemed to be clueless at dealing with it…especially the low-kicks=excellent strategy because if i recall in diaz’s last fight he was leg-swept many times. Condit has obviously studied his opponent beforehand, but with diaz I wonder. Diaz’s behaviour in the ring demonstrates to me that he lacks substance as a person. He hasn’t the motor alacrity to make such arrogant displays (think Muhammed Ali) nor the mental strength to deal with an opponent that has a sound measure of his ability. Hence, we all saw at the end of the fight the emotionally bitter diatribe that came from his mouth. Choose another champion mate..there are better ‘men’ in there.
Well said Mark.
Nate diaz was swept many times in his last fight not Nick. If you cant tell the difference, then you dont rate to comment on this site.
okay..my mistaking the identity..nevertheless….how do you give effective striking to Diaz? Condit outclassed him with speed and accuracy…text book art of war…he delivered more damage to Diaz and at the same time largely preserved himself via skillful manouevering…what you call RUNning away. Condit had too much of an accurate measure of his opponent, and that demonstrates intelligence; to match his skill level. He fought to his strengths, again intelligence, in that he relied on his faster reflexes to evade and faster striking to deliver damage …because anybody can see that Diaz is physically much stronger..so toe to toe exchange would have been folly. Diaz clearly sulked during his post-fight speech because his opponent frustrated the hell out of him…is that the character you worship? Basically his speech equated to thus…Condit didn’t do what I wanted him to do so I’m not coming back. Cus D’Mato, Angelo Dundee, Sun Tsu (art of war)all expound(ed) the same fundamental tenet concerning combat on any scale….preserve yourself…and watching Condit do it in the manner in which he did was absolutely delightful
So counter punching, leg kicks, and striking doesn’t count as aggression? Why should Condit sit against the cage and let Diaz tee off? Just cause you guys wanted Diaz to win? He evaded the strikes, and countered out of the corner. Reset his feet and won the striking game hands down. Cause look at the numbers of strikes in favor of Condit and the damage his striking did compared to Diaz’s. And its not even a debate that effective striking went to Condit. Just cause Condit didn’t give into stupid childish headgames that Diaz wanted him to do is the reason why people should champion Condits gameplan. He was evasive, quick striking, and evaded damage. I don’t see how it wasn’t Condit’s win.
All I know is condit looked afraid to fight Diaz in the first two rounds and only out struck Diaz cuz of tons of soft ass leg kicks he picked it up noticeably in the 3rd and 4th but I thought Diaz shoulda won the 1st 2nd and 5th( and u know in the back of his mind that he hates that outta him and Diaz he knew he had to fight completely different then he normally does)
Some of those leg kicks were really hard effective kicks, despite what Diaz said…the accumulation did damage in the later going.
Soft leg kicks, lol. You obviously have never received any or you would realize the stupidity in what you said. Condit made Diaz chase and while he was chasing Condit was striking, albeit moving backwards but landing just the same.
Ron i don’t really consider the majority of leg kicks in the first two effective striking which the fight is based off of ( no I’ve never been leg kicked I’m not a freakin fighter I’m a fan but as the fight went on condit def threw harder in the 3rd and 4th
How do you know the leg kicks were soft? I could equally say that they were hard, despite the bravado from Diaz, which you should have noted dissipated during the course of the fight(a very short-sighted way to conduct himself in the scope of things). It’s a matter of opinion. But I’d be a little more circumspect in offering a statement like that without knowing Condit’s fight plan. You can only speculate from what you saw. It was an excellent strategy, because both Diaz brothers are vulnerable in this aspect of their defence as we saw with Nate in his last fight. Taking advantage of an opponent’s weakness is what it’s all about. Those low-kicks gave Diaz frustration and from my experience when some people become frustrated they are easily put off their game; definitely the case with Diaz. Did you not see that sore-loser’s behaviour from Diaz at the end of one of the rounds when he held onto Condit’s leg well after the bell; how much confirmation does a person need? Hats off to Condit for not reacting. Condit fought that fight with a clear cool mind.
Only a complete myopian thinks that Diaz got robbed in this fight. Condit not only threw more strikes but landed a higher percentage. Diaz moping like some second grader in the PFI made me lose any respect he had earned when I saw the B.J. Penn fight.
As far as Koscheck, him getting upset at the crowd was priceless. He said he wanted America to react to hi, and people have no use for how he carries himself. Quit being a jerk, and people won’t boo you.
Ron if Diaz fought the same way that condit fought then it would have been the most boring fight ever the way I look at it is the only reason condit was able to hit him with all those kicks is cuz Diaz was chasing him he coulda just ran backwards the whole fight like condit
But we aren’t dealing with hypothetical ‘what if,’ situations. Diaz didn’t move back – that didn’t happen. Condit tailored his game plan as it was precisely because he knew that Diaz wasn’t going to ‘run backwards,’ the whole time, because Diaz is a volume puncher that likes to get in peoples face and back them up against the cage to tee off. Condit countered that strategy perfectly, and deserves credit. He kept his distance and weakened Diaz’s power with leg kicks. He countered off the cage with body shots very well, and by round three, Condit was able to throw a lot of different techniques such as spinning backfists, elbow, head kicks, power punches, etc. because of the work he put in the first two rounds. He had a great plan, and executed it perfectly, and as a result, Condit won.
That was a typical Greg Jackson fight plan. Maybe not the most exciting, but Condit clearly won that decision. This should put the myth of Nick being a “great” fighter to rest. He’s good, but Condit’s better.
I agree and thought Condit was the more technical puncher and showed a lot more variety…wicked fast spinning elbows…Diaz is happy he didn’t get hit flush with one of those.
It’s because they all missed. Very bad accuracy.
Couldn’t have said it better. Typical GJ fight plan. “Well, you’re not the better fighter, so dance around him and poke for 5 rounds and hopefully that works.” Seriously getting tired of him training fighters to win in mediocre fashion when they shouldn’t be winning at all.
MMA, and fighting in general isn’t just about who can stand in front of each other and bang it out in the pocket until one guy gets KOed. If that’s what you are entertained by, then Youtube or your local Toughman competition can oblige. Condit was the better fighter that night; Diaz didn’t have an answer for Condit’s strategy. It wasn’t like Condit just ran like Kalib Starnes the entire fight. He outstruck Diaz in total and significant strikes by a very comfortable margin. He threw elbows, spinning backfists, head kicks, etc. as well, so it isn’t like Condit was just ducking and dodging, and not throwing anything himself.
Exactly it never felt like a fight it felt like one guy was trying to hurt the other guy and one guy was trying to just win on pts I think condit won two rounds and I think it was smart for him to avoid getting cornered but he didnt have to continually get backed into the fence in the 1st place condit knew that he couldn’t throwdown the whole fight so he changed his g.p. to conserve energy the whole fight
@the end…love your post. Well said.
Well how do you discern better in this case? If you mean that Diaz would make mince-meat of Condit in a slug-it-out then I would agree with you, but that didn’t happen. Condit demonstrated to everybody objective enough to see it that he can carry out a fight plan with a cool clear mind; and that is a far harder skill to attain than just brawling. Condit fought with his mind; Diaz with his instinct. Johny…i sense that your lust for a Diaz slugfest wasn’t satisfied, so now you’re doing what Diaz did in his post-fight interview…having a sulk. If you can’t appreciate a skillful fighter such as Condit then don’t watch him…”seriously getting tired”…r u that easily upset?
nick diaz: I’am taking my ball and going home
look at diazs face and look at condit who landed the harder punches diaz sore loser
If you think confit won I am done watching UFC bill shit
Bye.
take your ball and go home
awe, poor little guy. Go home and cry little biotch
Well Mitch…you stop watching UFC and go have a suck of your thumb…oh look at the time…2:21am, way past your bedtime son
can’t wait for nate to leave now 15 more min
stockton has left the building
I believe Condit won that fight hands down. He did more damage, he landed more strikes(punches and kicks), he landed a higher percentage and IMO he controlled the fight. He made Diaz come in while he would land his strikes and avoid most of Diaz’s strikes. Just because Diaz was coming forward doesn’t mean he controlled the fight. He was coming forward and getting hit by Condit most of the time. Diaz was playing into Condit’s game and allowing him to control the fight. Anyone that thinks Diaz won is in denial.
great comment
dana was sad as fuck cause diaz won straight the fuck up 4 to 1 there should be rematch
Run Forrest Run! Yep I didn’t think you could make a fake belt look worse… until now.
diaz is running back to stockton nothing worse than a sore loser
DIAZ: I’AM TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME
If running and kicking legs wins fight i think you guys don’t no shit about mma
Mitch, what did Nick land that was more effective then what carlos did?
Strikes to the face & body. Diaz out-landed Condit 111 to 91.
He also had the only successful takedown during the fight, turned into dominant position (taking his back, body triangle, & submission attempt).
Is there anything confusing about that chromie?
Carlos landed leg kicks and a single head kick that didnt even stutter Diaz. Your very bias and uneducated about mma if you really believe Diaz wasnt robbed…
I could say that you are very biased and uneducated about combat sports if you fail to recognize the time honored tactic of “stick and move.”
How did Diaz get those cuts on his face, and that shiner if Condit only threw leg kicks? I haven’t heard of many leg kicks landing in the facial region.
Quite certain Condit had a pretty nice shiner himself man.
And he sure has heck didn’t look like a guy who thought he “clearly won” the fight prior to Buffer announcing his name. He knew how close it was.
MMA is a sport not a fight. Condit won match and the stats (and Diaz’s face &legs) prove it.
HAha to all you who claim diaz got robbed, even though condit executed the most genius game plan! I guess you guys and your hero got totally screwed and robbed of the belt, haha!! Yeah Mitch youre right “running and kicking legs”won condit the fight. And you’re the only one who knew it was bs. Haha!! Me condit and my 400 will take it!
What an amazing was though, in all seriousness. Diaz hi a warrior, and condit and Greg Jackson straight up came with the most diabolical genius game plan..props for condit for having the nuts to carry out the game plan even after potentially losing the first 2 rounds.
Gsp is next baby. Mark my words.
I see why people call it running, but its different when he was kind of setting him up for strikes while moving backwards. He dealt the most damage while taking the least, isnt that the simplest way to put how you win a fight. If running into leg kicks, head kicks, and punches for five rounds is effective aggression, then i guess i don’t “know” much about MMA. I like both fighter, but i dont see how you can give someone a fight when they do no damage
Robbed of the belt? Youre indicating that Diaz or Condit are going to mow right through GSP, one of the most dominant MMA wealterweights aside from legends like Penn or Hughs. I really dont see Diaz standing any chance against GSP and Condit might circle backwards but GSP is a far better fighter than Condit or Diaz and will cut the ring off and execute his gameplan. As usual.
bingo!!! diaz didnt change his game plan and condit out smarted him . he was bound to get fired sooner or later , after missing the torotno press confrence he should have been let go. then theres at least one missed drug test with strikeforce.
Was a close fight. I, (like many others), had it:
Diaz rounds 1,2,5. Condit rounds 3,4.
Rounds 1 & 2 were tight though.
And it’s not simply “Diaz fans” who think he should have gotten the decision, numerous MMA fighters (peers) have tweeted stating they thought Nick won and the judging was horseshit yet again.
There really should be an immediate rematch, just as there was when Lyoto Machida edged Shogun Rua in a controversial 5 rd. UD @ UFC 104.
Condit was literally running away during a lot of the fight, yet his fans call that “octagon control” or “aggression”? following up with the ever convenient “oh, that was his game plan”, lol. Diaz was stalking Condit for the majority of the match and was the only fighter who even came close to finishing.
Hopefully Dana does the right thing and lets these two duke it out again while we wait for GSP.
I predict the same outcome. Condit didnt let Diaz smother him and out pointed. All you cryin little bitches stfu. Diaz has beat some decent names but once they were way past their primes. He has never been that great a fighter and his brother is a turd too.
Most sites, including this one had the fight scored 49-46 Condit. But aside from popular opinion, the stats do not lie. Condit outlanded Diaz in total and significant strikes very comfortably, only being outstruck in such regard by a small margin in round 2.
Condit running away was not octagon control. Being able to avoid Diaz’s game (teeing off against the cage, and throwing volume in the pocket), and implement his own game is how Condit controlled the fight. The fact that people say it was Condit’s gameplan to stay away from firefights in the pocket and against the cage is not ‘convenient,’ it was a very purposeful strategy that Condit employed. Why play to Diaz’s strength’s, when Condit can use the versatility of his Muay Thai to beat Diaz?
Condit weakened Diaz’s power in the first two rounds by chopping at his lead leg with kicks, and past round 2, Condit opened up much more with head kicks, spinning backfists/elbows, and power shots. He picked his shots and didn’t get into ‘let’s swing at each other until one of us goes down,’ type of situation, but he still got his combo’s in and still hit Diaz plenty as both Diaz’s face and all fight breakdown stats show. The numbers simply don’t lie – Diaz was outstruck in total and significant strikes.
Diaz was stalking Condit, yes, but that is not effective aggression, if you aren’t scoring with strikes/takedowns while coming forward. Condit knew Diaz would come forward because that’s what Diaz does every fight – he wades in. Condit had more effective striking and countered Diaz…why should Diaz be rewarded with ‘aggression,’ and ‘octagon control,’ simply for moving forward, but being on the losing end of the exchanges? That simply doesn’t make sense.
Actually, in strikes to the head and body, Diaz out-landed Condit 111 to 91. Diaz also secured the only takedown of the fight, took Condit’s back and nearly finished with a rear naked choke. It was only the leg strikes which Condit landed significantly more. It was Diaz who had Condit pushing back the majority of the fight, up against the fence or Carlos literally running away from him.
Secondly, I could care less how Kris from this site judged the fight, if he wants to give the first 4 rounds to Condit, that’s his prerogative, but as I said many people (fighters included) believed those first two close rounds should have gone Diaz’s way, along with the 5th, giving him the edge.
Truth of the matter is, both Rua and Penn received immediate rematches after their very close, controversial, title fight UD losses to Machida and Edgar respectively. There is NO reason why Zuffa shouldn’t afford Nick Diaz the same respect in that regard, ESPECIALLY with GSP out until November. Fans who despise Nick Diaz aside, (and there obviously are a many in this forum), that’s the correct move to make.
@learntoread
not knocking what your comment states because there is nothing to knock. But I will ask you this…
They received their immediate rematches. But in their defeat, did they cry like a baby and threaten retirement? Does that deserve even the thought of rematch.
@ Clown:
Actually, both Penn & Rua complained a lot publicly, post fight. As they should have. Very close UD title fights deserve an immediate rematch, just like Couture/Rizzo back in the day. Just because Nick Diaz is such a polarizing figure and lots of fans despise him should not alter that notion. That’s my point.
And no, (Penn, Rua, Rizzo), did not contemplate retirement, but if you take a closer look at ALL of Diaz’s close decision fights within the UFC (Parisyan, Riggs, Sherk, even Sanchez) he was given the shaft from the judges in EVERY one of them (and regardless of what anyone tries to spew, those were all very closely fought fights). That’s the reason why he was so discouraged after last nights events. I mean, even the BJ fight, (which wasn’t a close fight IMO), Nick later stated that he was extremely nervous before the judges announcement (and rightly so), that’s why he was running around shouting “I won that shit!!”. Hear what I’m sayin’?
I for one would enjoy seeing Condit/Diaz 2 before the return of GSP in November to settle the score. I think the both fans and Diaz deserve that. Hopefully Zuffa will do the right thing and make it happen.
@learntoread
Respect sir.
either way I hopefully someone talks some sense into him about retirement. The man is still crazy talented and would put up a lot of great fights. I’d personally like to see him against Hendricks or Fitch.
@ Clown:
I hear ya man, there are numerous great matchups to be had within the WW division for Nick.
Though, truth of the matter is, (and let’s not forget) that Diaz came to the UFC with the SOLE purpose of fighting Georges St. Pierre (remember it was supposed to be that whole “Champion Vs. Champion” motif). That’s the only reason he didn’t go directly into Professional Boxing after the Daley fight, because Zuffa (initially) gave him the HUGE fight he’d been after for years. Now, because of the months of drama, politics, injuries, & match up swapping, the ONLY MMA fight he was truly interested in (and the fight the majority of fans have been shouting for) is not going to materialize. That’s most likely the main reasoning towards his retiring from MMA, and it’s not like he hadn’t mentioned the potential leaving MMA before, he has hinted about it numerous times (even before the Penn fight, when he wasn’t sure they’d give him GSP if he won, he said it might be his last fight…but he did win, and Dana again gave him the fight he wanted…and yet again, it was taken away from him). See the cycle here? With that, (along with his long & aggravating history with judging/wonky decisions within the UFC), you can see how the man could be frustrated and quite frankly discouraged with how everything has panned out over the course of the last 6 months.
Now, of course the legions of Diaz-Haters here will simply snicker at all that and spew their typical: “who cares!, he’s a dumb thug and he does it to himself, good riddance!” banter. Great stuff.
atleast let him keep his medical marijuana license :)
Fightmetric Combat Intelligence…official statistics provider for the UFC has Diaz coming out on top in only round 2…the rest go to Condit….in the 4th and 5th round Condit is well ahead in striking percentage…57% to Diaz’s 39% and 57% to Diaz’s 38% respectively. The 1st and 3rd rounds were tightest according to their stats…Condit 46% to Diaz’s 42% and Condit 44% to Diaz’s 41%…can you reference your stats…..
You really cant say that the judging sucked. It was a TIGHT FIGHT, You said it yourself that rounds one and two. So how do you fault the judges?
whats all the arguing about. nobody got robbed, and had diaz won nobody still would have been robbed. it was a good close fight that went to the judges. when you dont finish or GSP(dominate) your opponent you leave it to the opinion of 3 people. Thats that.
so who is jackson training gsp or condit?
Now that’s a good question
OMG. Diaz lost his own game lol. Condit did what any fighter does when they fight smart. Simply out point the other guy. Compubox had Condit landing way more effective punches than Diaz. Just because Diaz stalked him the whole fight doesnt mean he was effective. Not to mention did anyone else notice how many time Condit bounced a headkick off Diaz dome?
It was one head kick in 25 minutes… where you watching the fight drunk or something?
I’m not sure I agree with those that said condit ‘controlled’ the action. Diaz was the aggressor but he was clearly outstruck by condit. I was ok with the decision but why didnt diaz just stand in the middle a let condit come to him? I believe Perez said that to him between the 3rd and 4th. Anyone have the stats for punches thrown/landed?
I think a worse decision was koscheck winning over pierce. Especially after 50 warnings to stop eye poking. To me pierce won the fight. I thought they were booing kos because they thought he lost the fight.
Obviously, we’ve got an extreme amount of confusion as to what “aggression” really means, and how much it weighs on a decision when looking at the other aspects of a fight.
Now I didn’t watch the fight, so this comment is probably pointless. But what it sounds like is that because Nick Diaz moved forward, and Condit moved backward, or side to side, or whatever he did, that automatically trumps Condit’s effort and game plan?? Seriously?
So let’s say I’m fighting a guy and he moves forward on me, and I back pedal and try to use my head and footwork to “stick and move” (that’s boxing lingo for all you Diaz fans that think Diaz actually knows how to box). If a guy moves forward on me and hits me 3-4 times, and I hit him 10-12 while “moving backward”, does the mere fact that i’m moving backward diminish my effectiveness????
Again, I didn’t see the fight, but if the “aggression” issue is the only argument anybody has, then I think we need to ask ourselves how much of this is actually a love/hatred for Diaz. Nobody but Tito Ortiz called what Machida did running, it was his “elusiveness.”
In my honest opinion, I think this boils down to people thinking opponents are afraid of Diaz, simply because they don’t stand toe to toe. Since when did going toe to toe and trade for trade cement your mark as a solid and effective fighter? Guy’s like Diaz and Leben, and Griffin have a great chin. Not everybody has that:
it’s GENETIC!
It gives them the ability to take punishment while dishing it out. (they will pay for it later in life) Just because a person doesn’t have the chin that they do, does that make them a afraid simply because they realize their own weakness and don’t want it exploited?? When does it become crazy for a person to sacrifice winning for the sake of a good show, or proving you can trade with a guy? To me, that’s what this is all about. It’s a macho, stockton-gangsta mentality of “don;t be scared homie” Give it a rest folks. As a GSP fan, I was actually hoping Diaz would get past Condit so he could face GSP, because I wanted to see Diaz wipe the floor with his a$$ for 25 minutes. But of course, to here some of you tell it, that means GSP is afraid too.
This isn’t Strikeforce, this is the UFC. Where the big boys play. It takes more than a good chin and the ability to throw combinations to rise up the ranks and become champ. That will only get him so far. Ask anybody else the same thing. If he wants to take his ball and go home, that’s his problem. He would have already had his title shot and 7 figure fight purse had he not acted like a child and fulfilled his obligations. So go pursue boxing Nick Diaz, because the “whole MMA community has it in for you”
Whatever…
@jason and others
I think the Diaz haters and lovers are both letting their emotion skew their perspective on this fight.
First of all, I AM a Diaz fan, but had Condit winning the fight 49-46, since I thought Nick took the second round. And although I gave the nod to Condit, the fashion in which he did it was, at times, disgraceful and borderline gutless.
Citing Machida and his elusiveness was a poor example IMO jason, in his fight against Rampage he circled the cage I believe EIGHT consecutive times. It took up a good deal of the round, where all he did was circumnavigate the cage over and over. That indeed is running and evokes zero strategy. I became less of a Machida fan because of it,and felt cheated out of money.
In similar fashion Condit was seen to fully turn his back on Diaz, and do a mini sprint for the center of the octagon. Not figuratively, or strategically moving away at an angle, but literally running. I know of many moves in MMA, including the spinning backfist that Carlos missed about a dozen times, but to all the people trying to justify this sh!t in the cage…what is the move called when you turn around and run? What move is that?
The UFC rulebook has a name for it and it’s a rule I wish that Ref’s would start to enforce with more frequency. Timidity (avoiding contact with an opponent) is something I’ve seen Machida and others for sure do time and time again, and to a certain extent, Condit did the same last night and people call it “strategy”. If Condit would’ve cut away at an angle actually facing Diaz, maybe I could see some of your points. Furthermore, if the timidity rule was enforced in the UFC I could see Condit being warned several times and perhaps having a point deducted, especially in the second round. It would be a bald faced lie to say that Condit didn’t avoid contact, which he blatantly did, and repeatedley.
If run away and throw a small combo, run away and throw a small combo is what passes for a “brilliant gameplan” these days, then MMA has become more like tic tac toe than a chess match imo.
I guess a part of your game plan would be just to stand there and get smashed instead of getting out of the way…brilliant…footwork and movement were the keys to his success. That Tic-tac-toe made quite an impression on Diaz’ face, i’m glad not everyone is so stupid as to trade with Diaz face to face and get drawn into his game. Diaz could have cut the octagon off…like he did in the 5th, or waited in the center for Condit, he had many choices to make but fought the same old style applying the same old game plan and Condit came prepared…blame Diaz for not adapting.
Let’s be fair, the only time Condit ‘ran,’ was to get off the cage where Diaz is strong. Diaz likes to put his opponents against the cage so that he can tee off on them easily. Condit knew this going into the fight and had an appropriate strategy to deal with it. When Condit was about to be pinned against the cage, he ducked under Diaz’s shot, and/or moved laterally and passed Diaz while landing his own body shot, and then moved to the center of the Octagon to reset.
That was strategical regardless if you see it as such. It was how Condit kept himself away from being teed off on against the cage, while still landing his own shot and it worked.
There was no timidity, you can’t argue with the numbers: Condit landed more significant and total strikes than Diaz. He picked his shots, and did not engage in an in-the-pocket firefight with Diaz (again, this is where Diaz is strongest). Past round 2, Condit threw more techniques and power shots as well, and was more willing to engage Diaz. That doesn’t mean he threw caution to the wind and just stayed in the pocket. That hasn’t worked against Diaz in the past, so why should Condit tempt fate, when what he was doing worked so well considering Diaz had no answer for it?
Agreed this is like Edgar vs bj penn except edgar won cuz he attacked a lot more Edgar vs penn proves u can avoid getting in a brawl with slick footwork and still attack aggressively throughout the fight
At points in the 3rd and 4th especially condit was def being more agressive but still avoiding brawls
Every time condit circled away from the fence he would go all the way to the other side of the cage and circle continue to circle away from diaz which is smart but some of those times he should have turned and aggressively attack Diaz
It seemed like condit never wanted to throw a single combo, just leg kick or jab then back up and let Diaz come after him again
This fight wasn’t at all like condit hyped it up to be , condit didn’t fight with the same agression that had gotten him there
yea, the “running” bull funky is getting as old as the rigged fights comments. its different styles, i could see it as running if condit never attempted to fight, but he fought when he had the upper hand, and escaped when he didnt. Diaz walked straight into leg kicks and walked straight into punches. he moved forward when he had the upper hand, and he moved forward when he didnt, and then he moved forward some more. I would say its more of poor intelligence on Diaz’s part than fear on Condit’s. Let’s be honest, Condit is not afraid of getting hit, he’s afraid of making a bad impression on the judges. Why take damage when you don’t have to? Your fighting for the title, I don’t think you have to prove how tough you are at that point, you have to prove how good you are, how strategic you are. Pretty much anyone at that level cannot be questioned on toughness.
RIGHT-On Jason!
Diaz actually said that he thought GSP was scared to fight him and
was faking an injury to get out of it.
What a delusional, pompous ass he is to come up with that.
In the same mode of tito,josh,and the british hoologan who are so arrogent that if they ever lose a fight——- it is always the referee’s fault, the judges fault, or the other corner’s fault,
they think they can never be beaten by a better man.
“This isn’t Strikeforce, this is the UFC. Where the big boys play.” I thought that you were making great headway until that part. Alistair Overeem came from Strikeforce as did Werdun and Fedor fought under that brand as did Shinya Aoki and Gilbert Melendez does yet. Overeem wiped the floor with Lesnar and Werdun won his first fight in UFC against Roy Nelson. Does the fact that Alistair Overeem making mince-meat of Lesnar not drive the message home that maybe it was the UFC fighter that wasn’t the ‘big boy’? That was his first UFC fight, right? So form gained from fighting ‘real big boys’ wouldn’t be factored into that victory, because he hasn’t had any up to that point. Check out Fedor’s record on Wiki…you’ll see that he has defeated many fighters that fought under the UFC brand..or is it that as soon as they leave the UFC their form subsequently suffers? I’d confidently bet that Aoki or Melendez could compete with the top welterweights in the UFC
i think it’s simpler than most of this – not that folks aren’t making valid points. Few would argue that condit outpointed diaz. but it’d be a stretch to say Condit won the fight – NO ONE WON THIS FIGHT, it feels like it’s not over to me – fightus interuptus… as it was like watching the 20 (25) minute workout – minus the hot babes. not saying i don’t appreciate their skills displayed in the 5 minute increments, but diaz more likely would have won if it was in an alley without pauses, as he would have held the figure 4 for 20 minutes or more if he needed to… in any case we’ll never know and that’s what sucks – not whether it’s good decision or not. The UFC has marketed MMA and in the process the level of fighting is probably at it’s highest in human history, but whether you feel Diaz was just putting on a sour grapes vibe or not – he hit the nail on the head in his post fight comments about the criteria for scoring. I miss the days of open fighting with no time restraints. the 5 minute thing is sellable but it ruined this fight, making it more about game plan and points. It’s not real combat anymore. I wonder if an organization will reappear and get back to the roots, and have unlimited time matches. While such an org would never be as big as the UFC, it’d have a unique market that’d always be a must see for some – sort of like certain styles of music that’ll never be top 40 but always be in demand. Maybe in Brazil, Canada, USA, Japan – anywhere…
Well, rules have to be enacted for it to be a SPORT. What you’re talking about (and I actually agree to an extent) is making it more of a fight, and less of a contest. I get it, but i seriously doubt we’ll take a step backwords in MMA.
thanks for actually considering what i said. but why would it be a step backwards? marketing wise ,OK yes, whatever. But why is it less of a sport when there is open time limits? Soccer (football) is won by scoring the most goals not ball possession time. Also, I don’t expect the UFC to change what it $ee$ as a winning formula, but if i was starting an MMA league I’d consider offering something different
Backwards as in it would be difficult to reverse sporting sanctions and health risks. Especially since the UFC fought diligently to put them in place.
Publicly, that would create a backlash IMO, because it would create a darker image for the sport, similar to the black-eye it had when Senator McCain was trying to abolish it.
You and I might think it’s a good idea, but it would unravel if the public and sports critics disagreed, and with the sport becoming more mainstream, they probably will. Besides, Kimbo Slices vids are still on yourtube…
Agreed nobody really won that fight neither guy looked that tired at all afterwards and condit kept saying it was gonna be a war and it was not at all condit took the safe route not the let’s see who the better fighter is route IMO
Well like I said, I didn’t see the fight, I just ASSUMED (yes we know what happens when you assume) that people were confusing running for elusiveness. If you had Condit winning the fight, its basically irrelevant, and still proves my point that just because he “ran” instead of standing toe to toe, doesn’t mean he was scared or that his game plan was ineffective.
If run away and throw a small combo works, then yes it IS effective. Again, not everybody can stand there and go blow for blow, and the fact that they can’t doesn’t make them cowards or timid to use other methods to win.
this fight didn’t prove much, just that condit was more willing to fight in a point garnering way.While Diaz and Condit have just as amazing skills (considering the era) this doesn’t appeal to me as much as seeing a gracie type tap out a gasping severn type after how ever long it takes.
NaturalDisaster they call that move “winning the fight” And “how to beat someone who has the sickest boxing in mma”. Yeah I guess Greg Jackson just sucks and came up with That plan just to piss you off. I’m sorry, but did any of you people whining look at diaz face? Lol
Kobe, once again, all you do is make excuses. Every post ever.
Would people stop saying look at his face if u judge it by that then bj penn is fucking undefeated
If one punch hits in the wrong spot u r gonna bruise up bad
Such a ridiculous pt to make
Another majority f**k job by the judges
Based on effective striking, grappling, octagon control & aggression who won that fight? Hint: Not the guy that landed a bunch of weak leg kicks and ran away almost constantly
Even if you love those DEVASTATING leg kicks, no way Condit won round 1, 2 or 5..not shocked at all because these so called MMA judges are clueless about MMA
It’s no secret that Diaz cuts easily..look at his face!! He lost!!..never gets old
Diaz has completely dominated guys and his face often looks worse than the dude laying on the mat crying
Good stuff man, but finally Diaz fought someone who didn’t get sucked into his gameplan…shame on Diaz for not adapting throughout the fight or trying something different for a change, the guy is so predictable and Condit did his homework.
If Diaz woulda changed his gameplan then it woulda been the biggest snoozer ever cuz obviously condits whole gp relied on Diaz coming after him
Johny boy, sorry but diaz got his cocky ass beat. Did you take a look at his face. Did you notice who was breathing hard at the end? Diaz is an absolute stud and Jackson showed him how to win it. No one cares how he wins it..get over it bro, its the way ‘it works. If diaz didn’t like it he should’ve done something different.
Learntoread round 5 was easily condit’s two. No instant Rematch. Shogun got it cuz he clearly won the fight against Machida the first time and got robbed..I’m sorry but diaz lost. But how can he Rematch anyway, he quit!! Lol
a happy day in my house
Dana, was sad as fuck…real talk Cause he knows Carlos ran like a lil Bitch..Diaz clearly won 80 plus people in hooters were like what the fuck…I’m so dumbfounded & lost cause I watch ufc & Mma for years.. 4-1 or 3-2 if anything Diaz I’m a Mma fan and this was fucking bull shit & can’t stop thinking about it
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Dedicated to all the Diaz fans and to all those who think he won…
I’m not surprised that all the Nick DIaz fans (who are acting is if that’s all they are instead of MMA fans) are pi$$ed off and complaining. This is the story EVERYTIME Nick Diaz loses. EVERYTIME.
Unfortunately the facts are that Carlos Condit landed more shots and controlled the fight.
Everyone saying Carlos Condit was “running because he’s a little b*tch” wouldn’t know what strategy or tactics are if it slapped them in the face. It took a lot of preparation, dicipline and focus for Condit to do what he did last night. I’ve been saying for quite some time now that Diaz has been successful lately because BJ Penn, Paul Daley, Cyborg etc have been fighting a NICK DIAZ fight. I also said that Carlos or GSP WOULD NOT fight a NICK DIAZ fight which is stand toe to toe with him because they are smarter fighters than that. Do you think Anderson Silva was going to go bjj vs bjj against Maia??? HELLO?????? It was Nick Diaz’s job to adjust his game so he can figure something out but unfortuntaly for him and all of his “homies” he could not do so.
Diaz is good at what he does but he ran into a fighter who did not let him do what he does. He ran into a fighter with smart coaches who had one thing on their mind and that’s WIN. Carlos Condit did what he had to do to WIN. “But that was a g@y fight and carlos is a bit*h because he ran the whole night” ” A real warrior goes in there and fights” <~~~~says the "tough guys" who's fighter just retired because he got completely neutralized.
So while Nick Diaz's is bit*hin and moaning Carlos Condit is finding a spot in his home for his new Interim Belt and is moving on to fight for the Undisputed world championship. Carlos Condit is the "bi*ch" WITH THE BELT AND TITLE SHOT and Nick Diaz is the "tough guy warrior" going home with a loss, his pension and HYPE.
Good Riddance Nick DIaz. You are toxic to the sport and the sport does not need nor want a unprofessional sore loser like you. You don't deserve to get paid the ammount of money you get and you continue to prove that everytime you show up (or don't show up). SO PEACE OUT HOMIE :)
Nice post man.
Diaz truly only has himself to blame, he let a guy keep doing the same thing over and over and never adjusted to stop him. I thought Diaz was at least a little, teeny tiny bit smarter than that, but obviously not. I still think that there are other ways to keep yourself from getting boxed against the cage other than turning your back to your opponent and sprinting in the other direction, but it worked, and worked rather well.
I don’t think by any means that Condit is a b!tch or pulled a b!tch move by avoiding a toe to toe trade off, but I would like to take the chance to use this fight as another example as to why certain things should be outlawed in the octagon.
1. Circling with your back to the cage, away from your opponent for over a minute. (Machida)
2. Flopping on the ground and making inviting gestures to your opponent while your legs are spread. (Verdum)
3. Running during a fight. (Kalib Starnes, Carlos Condit.)Exception: If your running TOWARD your opponent.
Just a few examples of sh!t that most fans do not want to see in the cage. I had Condit winning the fight fair and square, and I’m not singling him out because he beat the guy I was rooting for. I just don’t want to see running, or any other strategy that could lead to more fighters stalling and NOT bringing the fight.
i appreciate your points but i’m not blaming condit for outpointing diaz and playing up to the point structure, but at the same time i respect the fact that diaz wants to fight to see who wins, not who gets the most points. while folks make a good point that condit controlled the bout – really it’d be more accurate to say he controlled the part of the ufc match which garners points. and i agree with the post above that looking at a few marks on diaz’s face proves anything.. it proves nothing.diaz was still clearly dangerous as ever at the final bell. this fight proves nothing. they needed a 15 minute no stop overtime round or something… it was just getting interesting. diaz wouldn’t have changed sub attempt and probably not lost it like that… it might have been 10 minutes ending in a rear naked…or to be fair eventually condit’s kicks might chink away at diaz and hand him his first real KO loss.. alas we’ll never know
those leg kicks did shit….this isn’t karate kid Rule book states Octagon control,aggression none in which natural bitch did dana, was sad as ****…real talk Cause he knows Carlos ran like a lil ****..Diaz clearly won 80 plus people in hooters were like what the ****…I’m so dumbfounded & lost cause I watch ufc & Mma for years.. 4-1 or 3-2 if anything Diaz I’m a Mma fan and thisy was ****ing bull **** & can’t stop thinking about it
commercial MMA 5 minutes vignettes, take down that BJJ black belt when your cornerman yells 10 secs… :(
this wasn’t such a bullshit decision…Carlos didn’t use foot work .back pedaling the whole time Puss ass leg push kickz….Diaz knee or leg never buckled only once it had effected him…3-2 diaz maybe 4-1 Carlos only won 3-4 DANA IF YOUR READING THIS SHIT REMATCH BROTHER IT’S ONLY FAIR TO THE FANS CARLOS PUSSED OUT BIGTIME…SORRY ASS GREG JACKSON KARATE KID POINT STYLE.
I think Carlos won the fight, granted it was very close. Regarless who won the fight, I wouldn’t have been opposed to an immediate rematch and wouldn’t be the least bit suprised if that happened especailly since St. Pierre is gonna be out till late fall anyway. Great gameplan by Condit’s camp. Like stated before, Nate should have adapted his game by the third round knowing what Condit was doing and tried to bring the fight to the ground if he had a bigger advantage there. I’m sure they will be rematching in the summer sometime because
the bigger payday is obviously Diaz and St. Pierre in Dana’s eyes.
As far as who will Jackson be training if it’s Condit vs St Pierre?
The answer is neither. Winklejohn will be training Condit and St. Pierre will train with Tri-Star and whoever else he wants to. Jackson has stated he will not get in the middle of it or train either fighter.
this isnt karate kid diaz dominated 3-2 or 4-1
you’re obviously a Diaz fan by the sound of it. Deep down you know Condit won the fight whether you realize it or not, your name says so. 3L meaning 3Lost rounds for Diaz.
Not really just condit bitched out & just like Cruz vrs faber 2 more pussy point games like bisping
OK settle down 3Lost rounds for Diaz. ;-)
Fans,
Keep in mind that Diaz didn’t register as one of the best fighters until he left the organization that has the best fighters (UFC). Before he left the UFC, he had not beaten a top 10 guy. He beat Tibau and Neer but lost to Sherk, Riggs, and Sanchez! I think his dominace in other organization has clouded the judgement of his fans. Back in his UFC days, he was far from a title shot. He was always entertaining, in my opinion, but far from a title shot.
Who really cares what happened in the year 2005/06 when in relation to a fighters CURRENT skill-set and how he fights TODAY. Furthermore, all of those losses you speak of from 6, 7 years ago were very closely fought battles and really could have gone either way on the judges cards (not that I’m expecting you of all people to admit that).
You’re just another Diaz-hating naysayer coming out in attempt to rub some salt in. You were anticipating making that exact same post after the BJ Penn fight, but didn’t get your opportunity.
Fans of Diaz know exactly what he’s capable of achieving in the sport, they know his heart & that he always comes to fight, go for the finish, and give the paying fans their $$$ worth. People who despise him, like yourself, will always attempt to snicker at & diminish what the man has accomplished.
Carlos Condit, (a fighter I used to have a great deal of respect for), stated in the build up to the fight that he wanted “a dog fight”, that he was going to go out there and “bury this motherf*****”, which sounded awesome at the time, but alas was all BS. So where was this “Natural Born Killer” we’ve seen in the past last night? More like “Natural Born Point Fencer” after that performance. Literally running away at points in the fight. Personally, as a Condit fan I was pretty dumfounded, and a bit ticked off the fight couldn’t live up to expectations because of those antics…or as some people here would state: “his ‘perfect’ strategy”. Christ, if Chuck Liddell had ever gone into a highly anticipated title fight and pulled that sort of Jackson-Camp-ish crap fans would have burned him at the steak. LOL
@learntoread
good point about condit talking about a dog fight/war–I guess this was part of his strategy too. The fight reminded me of Rampage vs Rashad where Rashad talked all that sh!t and then wrestled his way to a point victory. I think condit won but I dont think he endured himself to Dana or the fans. I have never seen him fight like that. I think a rematch would be fair, but they asked dana at the press conference and he didnt seem too excited about it, but he may change his mind when he hears from the fans
Condit did bury Diaz by proving to be the more intelligent fighter. I’m not a Condit nor Diaz fan, but it was obvious that the smarter fighter won.
You are mistaken about me being a “diaz-hating naysayer.” I think Diaz is a very good fighter. In most organizatiions, he would shine as one of the best. The level of competition is too high for him to ever be a champion in the UFC. But both, him and his brother are deserving of fighting in the organization. They are very good fighters, tough as nails, and are always entertaining.
Unfortunately, when GSP fights Condit, I predict it will go the distance with GSP coming out on top. If Diaz would have won, the prediction would be the same for a GSP-Diaz match up.
It seems that right now most of the title holders in the UFC are on a higher level than the competition in their respective weight classes. I think Edgar may be the only title holder that has a real challenge ahead of him.
It’s been explained time and time again every way possible how Condit won the fight, so I’m not going to try and explain it again for my third time and the hundredth time. What I do see now is some people saying that Diaz deserves and should get an immediate rematch before GSP gets back. Some people think it will happen, but I guarantee you all that it won’t happen.
This fight wasn’t as close as those other recent rematches like Edgar/Maynard and Machida/Shogun. It was a clear cut unanimous decision win for Carlos with 2 judges having 4 rounds in his favour. That doesn’t scream instant rematch to me and I think DW feels the same way.
I personally don’t think Nick Diaz deserves an instant rematch, Condit will just outclass him again and leave him and his fans frustrated and complaining again. If Nick decides to come back he should go back to the middle of the welterweight pack and try to work his way back up or move up to middleweight. Good luck to Nick with what ever he decides to do in life, just leave that piss pour attitude out of the octagon if he returns.
He most definitely deserves an instant rematch after that fight (regardless of your personal match breakdown), the fans want to see part 2 go down, & Dana typically listens to his fans.
Sorry to burst your bubble Five-Alive.
Furthermore, it was the Edgar/Penn fight which was sited as one example of a closely fought, controversial UD title fight which was given an immediate rematch, NOT Edgar/Maynard.
The Edgar/Maynard fight was a judged as a freaken DRAW man, so why even try to use it as an example in this case? *sigh.
@learntoread
Sorry to burst your bubble but the majority of the fans believe Condit won and are not interested in seeing a rematch, nor is Dana White.
It doesn’t matter that I used Edgar/Maynard over Edgar/Penn. I used Edgar/Maynard because it was a close fight (draw or not) and it was more recent then Edgar/Penn, but if you want to use that one then sure.
The fact is Condit/Diaz wasn’t as close as any of those match-ups and the majority is not interested in seeing Condit outsmart, outmanoeuvre and outright beat up Diaz again. If you are then rewatch the fight until you get your fill.
The rematch is not going to happen, get over it, move on and stop crying and sighing. There’s more fighters and events to look forward to instead of looking backwards at this bout that Condit outright won.
I have seen the fight again and I scored the same as I did when I watched it live the first time.
There are both Condit and Diaz fans who are open to seeing a rematch prior to your beloved GSP’s return, so spare me your “majority of fans” crap.
Forums, Twitter, Facebook, etc., blew up after Buffer announced the judges decision, and it sure as hell wasn’t all “yay for Condit !!” posts. LOL.
Weather you can fathom it or not, it was a controversial decision, it was a close fight, & many MMA fans do want to see it go down again to settle the score.
@learntoread:
Close and controversial aren’t the same thing. And as Five-Alive has already stated it wasn’t that close.
If Diaz didn’t like Condit “running”, he should have done a better job of cutting Condit off. Condit isn’t obliged to keep his back against the cage and let Diaz fight his game. He turned the fight back to the middle of the Octogon and let his reach advantage go to work for him. Or did you think Diaz bloodied his own face like that?
That’s called intelligence, friend..
The fight was close, every valid news source has stated so, the majority of MMA fighters have tweeted so, just because you (and others) highly dislike everything ‘Nick Diaz’ and aspire to see him fail doesn’t alter that. Sorry pal.
Secondly, no one was asking for “rock’em sock’em Hockey” here man, obviously no one expected Carlos to simply stand still like a dummy in front of Daiz and take punishment. The majority of fans simply wanted to see a great scrap, (you know, like Carlos had promised…or have you forgotten the fact that he stated that he wanted “a dog fight”, “I’m a warrior”, and that he wanted to “go in there and bury the MotherF*****!”). fans wanted to see “The Natural Born Killer”, unfortunately they got something all together different, they got a very un-Condit, Jackson-Camp-ish performance/dance. What you, conveniently call “intelligence”, others see as “I decided to play it completely safe and not really fight for 5 rounds”, which smells like horsesh!t when coming from a true finisher in the game and a guy who has built a career as “The Natural Born Killer”.
@learntoread
The score is already settled. Condit one, Diaz none. It’s done and over with. If you or anyone else hasn’t gotten your fill of that fight then watch it over and over again until you do. That’s the closest thing you and everyone else is going to get to a rematch.
I know that there’s a good amount of soar losers that want to see a rematch and a good amount of MMA fans that wouldn’t mind a rematch as well. There’s more people that don’t care to see a rematch. In some peoples minds it was really close or somewhat close and in others minds it wasn’t close at all. There’s not enough people that think it was so close they should rematch. That’s the majority and whether you think it’s crap or not it’s true. What matters most is what Dana and Co. thinks and they are not interested in a rematch, nor will they be interested in a rematch no matter how much you and everyone else cries and moans for one.
Even though Nick was filled with emotions he said he’s done with MMA, so we don’t even know if he’s returning or has the interest in returning. It’s pointless and a waste of time to rant and rave for a rematch when you don’t even know if Nick is interested.
Just so you know I don’t hate any fighters. I’m fine with Diaz and Condit and I was fine with whoever won the fight. I’m a GSP fan like many others but I wouldn’t act like a baby and cry for a rematch if he lost, even if I thought it was razor thin close. There’s more to look forward to and enjoy then just one fight or fighter when it comes to MMA. I’m fine if Condit defends the belt before GSP. I’m just being realistic when I’m telling you that an instant rematch between Condit and Diaz is not going to happen, so let it go already and look forward to the next event.
LOL @ you trying to state that you don’t dislike Nick Diaz (especially after all the crap & wise cracks you’ve written about the man on here over the past year or so). Great stuff again Five-Alive ;)
@learntoread
You don’t have anything else to say so you act like you can read my mind. Is that what learntoread stands for, learntoreadminds? You don’t know me, you don’t know what I think and you don’t know what I like. You need to learntothink before you post, change your name to that.
I’ve seen Nick fight throughout is whole career and I know he’s had a tough life growing up. Instead of going down the wrong path in life he chose to go down the right, which I like about him. His fights are interesting to watch as well. The only thing I don’t like is when he acts like a soar loser and all the excuses made from his fans after he lost this fight to Condit. Get over it already and learntomoveon.
*sigh.
I never said I “knew” you Five-Alive, you kind of sound like a little girl: “You dun know me !!!” haha!
I meant I have read enough of your posts in previous threads concerning Diaz on this website to come to a very clear indication that you despise everything Nick Diaz (even of you want to sit there and pack-peddle now). Sorry pal, it’s no secret. You’re one of the top Diaz-bashers on this site over the past numerous months.
So spare everyone the whole “good cop” routine.
@learntoread
There you go again with your sighing and crying.
I’m not back-peddling when I say I’m fine with Nick Diaz. I didn’t say that you think you know me, I said you don’t know me so you don’t know who or what I like and how I think. Do you have a problem understanding that? I don’t know if you’re suffering from some type of mental disorder or something that’s affecting your memory because I haven’t been bashing Nick Diaz over the past few months.
You just have your panties in a knot because Diaz lost and your trying to take your frustration out on me. Grow up, stop being a baby, get off my nuts and get a life. You’ve been acting like a big baby ever since Nick lost. Go cry and complain to your mommy about how you feel, instead of coming on here and trying to start arguments. It’s one thing if you disagree with the results, it’s another when you continue to complain and go on and on about it.
There’s plenty of things you need to learn to do, but right now you need to LEARN TO LET IT GO and LEARN TO MOVE ON. This conversation is done and if you continue on it shows how small minded and childish you are. Goodbye, have a good life and try to enjoy the next event.
See, what’s funny is you attempting to call posters “childish” because they disagree with your thoughts on the fight, yet you come in here and go on and on, posting snide remarks under anything criticizing Condit/Jackson, even lowering to altering posters usernames in a childish attempts to poke fun at them (so truly lame btw). You calling anyone “childish” is plain hypocritical.
Secondly, I am in no way “crying”, the points I’ve made in this thread all hold weight, regardless of your typical slanted (pro team Jackson !! Yay !!) opinion towards them. If you go around the web and look at ANY OTHER mma forum, you’ll find similar arguments and debate over this fight, the mma world (fans, fighters, journalists) is highly torn on various aspects of the fight. If you want to sit here and act like there’s no controversy still waging on, then go on and continue to be ignorant, post under someone who might actually care what you have to say, because arguing with you is like talking with a smug 15 year old.
I’ve seen your posts in EVERY thread with Nick Diaz’s name on it for many months now Five-Alive, I recall how you post in those threads. Go ahead and deny it I suppose, it simply again paints you as a pack-peddler & hypocrite. Cheers.
@learntoread
I wasn’t calling posters childish because they have a different opinion about the fight, I said if you continue to comment back your childish, which you did. Your the one acting like a kid over this matter. Your fighter lost and you can’t get over it. I know people all over the internet have their own opinion about the fight, I didn’t deny that. What I’m saying is pathetic about you is how you continue to go on and on about it and you start bringing up stuff from the past that doesn’t even exist and you’re right in there making personal remarks also. Grow up, change your diaper and stop acting like a baby. If you want to continue to think I knock down Nick Diaz it shows you’re delusional. Talking to you is like talking to a wall so I’m done with this conversation whether you want to continue on or not. Take your small mind elsewhere because I’m not interested in what it thinks.
You’re the one who keeps posting underneath me Five-Alive, yet you sit there and tell me I’m the one “going on and on”. How convenient. Again, hypocrite.
You’re the one making snide, lame comments towards people criticizing Condit, using their usernames as some sort of juvenile pot shot, or trying desperately to ridicule them if they reply to your slanted crap. Again, childish.
Just because Diaz was given the “L” by judges doesn’t, in any way, mean that fans shouldn’t be allowed to come on mma forums and openly direct their distaste for the scoring and aggravation towards Condits antics. It’s COMPLETELY valid.
You sit there and spew arrogant crap in throughout this thread along the lines of: “it wasn’t even a close fight” & “there was absolutely no controversy”…stuff like that makes YOU the one sounding DELUSIONAL pal. If you were actually right in that respect, the mma world in no way be STILL at odds with how that Main Event went down.
Controversial fights/decisions will always create strong reactions. Get over it.
@learntoread
Cry me a river
@ Five-Alive:
Go have a drink from your hypocrites cup.
@learntoread
A hypocrites cup. Wow that’s a good one. You must of went to your Mommy for that one.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MOMMY!!!! Nick Diaz lost and I poopy in my panties!!! -goes learntoread.
It’s ok, learntowipeyourbum, let it go and move on. ;-)
That dribble was most definitely your crowning achievement in this thread Five-Alive, you must be proud. Great stuff fella.
Your maturity level continues to amaze. Carry on.
@learntoread
You’ve been acting like a child this whole time so I figured if I lowered my mentality to the way you’re acting and talk to you like that it would satisfy you. You seem a little more satisfied so I guess it worked.
There is one thing that I ended up being wrong about, the rematch. Condit and Diaz will most likely fight again before GSP is back so you and the rest of the babies crying got you the rematch. Now you all can sit there, watch Condit beat up Diaz for the 2nd time and come out disappointed again. Enjoy and stop all the complaining now.
LOL @ your punk ass coming back to pack-peddle your earlier tough guy talk about “The rematch is not going to happen, get over it” crap. You’re hilarious.
Also, LOL @ your pathetic: “I lowered my mentality to the way you’re acting” statement. Never once within this entire thread have I wrote child-like dribble like you did there, so spare everyone your lame excuses as to why you act the way you do in these forums.
Seriously, stop wasting my time with your high-school-ish banter & failed insults.
@learntoread
I knew you would be jumping for joy when you found out about the rematch, but you’ll be back to crying like a little baby when Diaz loses again.
This is whole time you’ve been thinking and acting like a pee brain. Since that’s how you always are I knew you couldn’t comprehend what I’m saying unless I talked at your level of intelligence, which is around a 4th grader. So I truly had to lower my mentality so you’d understand, but you still don’t so maybe baby talk is what you need.
I’m not the one making you reply, your the one wasting your time replying. I know babies don’t know what they’re doing, so maybe that’s your problem with not understanding that you’re the one making yourself reply. If you don’t want to waste your time then don’t reply. If Diaz getting his rematch doesn’t settle you down then hopefully you find your soother, maybe that’ll help.
LOL. This all coming from the guy who 5 posts ago bluntly stated:
“I’m done with this conversation whether you want to continue on or not.”
What’s worse is your replies keep getting more and more juvenile, not to mention you creating scenarios concerning my behavior in this thread out of thin air, trying to excuse your complete dribble by grasping at straws saying I’m the one who’s been acting “unintelligent” & “childish”; which makes you hypocrite of the week, for certain.
Great stuff Five-Alive. I state some points you disagree with and you turn to calling me a “4th grader”? Grow up, seriously.
The sad part is you probably don’t even realize how completely ridiculous your last few posts have made you look. Keep digging pal. It’s quite humorous.
Really? You have both been bickering for three days. Give it a rest.
Condit did a great job in setting up Diaz to think the fight was going to happen the way Nick likes it. Carlos then executed a perfect start to the fight and really never had to change anything as Nick seemed incapable of altering his attack.
Nick’s taunting and face slap didn’t work either to put Condit off, i don’t think Nick will quit…if he does it’s too bad and his loss, Dana doesn’t seem concerned.
If there ever was a rematch i guarantee Diaz would have a different game plan, you can’t expect to draw everyone into a Boxing/Striking match in the UFC.
GSP vs Condit will be a great fight with two highly skilled guys.
Learntoread you actually make great points, but at the end of the day I think that condit smartly devised a game plan that gave him the best chance to win. And its true, diaz is a freaking beast, it would be a bad idea for almost anyone to stand in there with him.
Sure condit could’ve stood in there and risked ko in order to look for a ko himself, as we’ve seen him do many many times, but why do that when you know you can win another way? I still call that intelligent. And he STILL got the best of diaz ( or at least roughed him up pretty good), depending on the viewers opinion.
In another fight, who knows who gets finished first, but we don’t have to worry about that, cuz at the end of the day condit has the belt around his waste. No one is complaining that the giants only scored 21, when we know they have the fire power for 30. They won, and that’s all that matters.
Super and happy for a deserving champ in condit, and excited for his fight with gsp!
Mikewh great points also. I actually like diaz, for the same reason anyone should like him – sure entertainment value. He’s SO fun to watch. But he got out chess matched and.condit still produced the most hits.
Mad props to condit, he not only didn’t budge from his plan despite slaps, taunts, and continuous blatant disrespect and idiocy (if not hilarity) on diaz part, but he then went on to decisively shut diaz mouth the F up, with some of the sickest punch/kick combos in mma. you didn’t see diaz running around with his hands down or pretending his ribs didn’t hurt by grabbing his body in the last rounds.