EliteXC-CBS Saturday Night Fights: Calling Them As We See Fit [Editorial]
I understand the title I chose for this write up seems insulting and that to the more casual viewer, last nights inaugural batch of network MMA was pretty darn satisfying. However for the true (and yes, judgmental) MMA hardcores out there the night had a serious wreak of disappointment. Why? Because something just didn’t feel right. Simply put, CBS wanted so badly for MMA’s network debut to be just perfect, that they failed to let MMA shine through in its often-imperfect glory.
The thing is, in mixed martial arts you have to let fighters take a bit of damage before calling the fight. Gees that sounds barbaric and awful. But its really not, and even the most noob of MMA aficionados knows it- because that is just how the sport is played. Regardless of who is watching and what they might think, the nature of the MMA beast cannot be tampered with without having some serious backlash from all avenues of the fight community. In my opinion, all televised bouts save for maybe Phil Baroni vs. Joey Villasenor were absolutely stopped prematurely. Was a fix in? Doubtful. But were the referees (cough Dan Miragliotta cough) instructed to step in before anything too gory or “morally horrifying†could happen? Oh yes. That is my contention and I’m sticking to it after watching the broadcast over and over again on my DVR.
The most suspicious of matches stopped last night was the heavyweight headliner Kimbo Slice vs. James Thompson. The question I now ask is, was the bout stopped simply because Thompson’s ear looked uncomfortably sanguinary for network America? Or because EliteXC (Gary Shaw, cough) really did attempt to do everything possible short of a fix to help Kimbo cruise back into victory lane.
First, let me just state that I would never suggest that MMA get taken off of network airwaves. It’s such a huge step in the right direction for the sport and I will always be there to watch (or at least DVR) some free mixed martial arts. That being said, here is my official like/dislike list for EliteXC-CBS Saturday Night Fights.
Dislike: Frank Shamrock, who was very good during the fight commentary, seemed very awkward and robot-like when talking into the camera. At some point I was expecting him to say “I am currently reading copy from a tele-prompter, please look at my face.â€
Dislike: Mauro Ranallo. I know Mauro has over a decade of MMA calling under his belt, but it doesn’t make his antics any more tolerable. Occasionally I will get a kick out of a Mauro zinger, but generally I think he either needs to tone it down or go back to calling professional wrestling.
Dislike: The gratuitous dancers. Yes, EliteXC, they are hot and it always helps to have eye candy when your audience is primarily male ages 16-34. However these ladies bring little, if nothing to the entertainment table and are still an unnecessary feature. Why not save the money you would spend on the dancers and maybe next year you wont have to file for bankruptcy.
Dislike: The ongoing mention of the phrase “This is Mixed Martial Arts†or “Well this is MMA you know.†We get it. There just might be some people out there watching who do not know what MMA is all about, and they just might not understand as much about the sport as some. But to keep stating “well, this is MMA†after every takedown or submission attempt is just annoying. When I watch football I don’t hear John Madden chime in after someone intercepts a pass “Well this is football you know, anything can happen Pat!â€
Dislike: From a broadcast angle, I did not enjoy the two commercial breaks I was forced to endure before finally getting to the fights. I think CBS spent a little too much time introducing the show while forgetting that above all else, viewers are tuning in to watch fights. Not packages or montages, but fights. Lets keep them the focus of the program.
Dislike: Gus Johnson did not speak with the loser in certain bouts, namely Kaitlin Young or James Thompson. What in the world is that about? Would it not be helpful to get their take on the fight? I mean gee whiz, Thompson looked awfully sour and even took a semi-shot at the referee upon the stoppage, don’t you think we might want to hear what he has to say? Especially since Kimbo was gassed out and could hardly mutter a word with Gus. Give me a break.
Like: I found it very cool that on national television, the announcing team had no issue liberally mentioning the UFC or fighters in the UFC. See Dana, its not the worst thing in the world to acknowledge that another brand exists.
Like: Gus Johnson. Thank the lord, Bill Goldberg was replaced by someone competent for the big show. Johnson was spot on and did not seem to show much weakness regarding MMA knowledge. Way to go, Gus.
Like: Not breaking for commercial between rounds. Definitely a smart move, I don’t think I have to explain how annoying it is to have to sit through ad’s for second rate local MMA schools when I’m trying to watch a real MMA fight.
Like: The pre-fight packages. They look to have some legitimate production value and I enjoyed the little sparring sequences thrown in.
Like: Though it definitely felt a bit cheesy, I still liked how Gary Shaw got on the mic and stated that both Smith and Lawler would be getting their fight bonuses. Smart move on Shaw’s part to help create a positive public image of himself.
The fights:
I will try to keep this brief. As I said earlier I think almost all of the fights were questionably stopped, starting with:
Brett Rogers vs. Jon Murphy
Rogers put Murphy to the canvas but was not given the opportunity to go in for the kill. Was Murphy completely K.O.’d when he fell? Perhaps, but…
Of course it’s doubtful, but Murphy could have caught Rogers in a submission from the bottom if in fact Rogers were allowed to continue attacking. Yes it is extremely unlikely, but that’s what those extra seconds are for. Look at a few of Minotauro Nogueira’s fights. How many times has he looked to be down for the count before going on to survive a decision or even secure a sub?
Joey Villasenor vs. Phil Baroni
Probably the least questionable bout of the evening. However once again I feel that Baroni should have been given a few more seconds to try to defend himself. Yes, Villasenor was brutalizing Baroni but lets let the man lose without a doubt, okay? Is that too much to ask? I’m all for fighters safety but in the words of Frank and Mauro “This is Mixed Martial Arts People!â€
Gina Carano vs. Kaitlin Young
Carano probably would have won her fight as well even if it weren’t stopped after the second round. BUT, what about this fight stopping cut of Kaitlin Young’s? Was it not responding to coagulant? Was it obstructing an eye? Did Kaitlin herself say that she could not continue? Because to me the cut looked okay and Kaitlin seemed game. Of course it’s difficult to tell since the camera did not show any footage of Young’s face once the bout was called, nor was she spoken to in the post fight. Maybe CBS just didn’t want a female fighter to continue and look a mess, even though she would be willing to do so. I give credit to Gina for kicking ass, but her victory is still just a bit tainted in my opinion. I’m also kind of waiting for Kaitlin Young to come out and say that the stop was B.S.
Robbie Lawler vs. Scott Smith-middleweight championship bout
Why was this fight not the main event? I don’t know. Okay I do, and that’s because of the attraction that is Kimbo Slice which EliteXC feels the need to spotlight. But I still disagree with not making Lawler-Smith the main event since they were the only championship fight on the card, not to mention that Smith and Lawler are much better fighters than Slice and Thompson.
As for the stop, well you can almost blame Scott Smith for not lying to the doctor, and twice stating that he could not see out of his right eye. Scott assumed he would get the five minutes to regain some vision, and was painfully denied. So what did happen to the five minute to recovery rule? Is that no longer in play? All I can say is way to delay another title fight and disappoint fans, EliteXC.
Kimbo Slice vs. James Thompson
What did we learn from this fight? Well for one, Kimbo Slice is not the wrecking machine some would have you believe he is. Kimbo is in fact highly inexperienced and seriously susceptible to cardio crash. James Thompson proved that even if you aren’t that great of a fighter in general, if you are bigger and can get Kimbo to the ground, you can keep him there and hurt him.
I am going to come right out and say it. James Thompson got robbed. Not so much when the fight was called, but when he was forced to stand up from the ground position where he had Slice. I couldn’t believe referee Dan Miragliotta actually stated twice “nothing happening, I’m going to stand you up.†Whoa there Dan, but there was actually a hell of a lot happening, and you know it. Problem is the guy EliteXC wanted to win was on the receiving end of some ground and pound and likely would not have survived very long in that position. Inside any other cage or ring in the world, and Thompson would have been allowed to continue his ground domination of Kimbo…but not on Saturday night. Now Kimbo was able to roll out and reverse once or twice, but as soon as he started to get winded and battered there was no way he was going to shake off Thompson’s top control.
As for the end of the fight, I couldn’t agree more with those who think Kimbo didn’t earn the victory. Sure Thompson could have been out on his feet after absorbing those unanswered Kimbo blows, and sure his ear looked about ready to fall off. Problem is Thompson was still standing, moving, and willing to engage.
Bottom line: Thompson still had some fight left in him when the fight was stopped. Not to mention that Kimbo was gassing so hard by this point that his punches weren’t landing nearly as hard as they were in the beginning of the fight. Would Kimbo have knocked Thompson to the canvas if Miragliotta didn’t step in when he did? Once again it’s entirely possible, but because we were not able to find out what could have been if only a few more moments were allowed to pass, the victory remains far from cemented for one Kimbo Slice.
The Final Word:
Kimbo truly was broken last night. He gassed, got outclassed on the ground, and was proven to be a fighter with much to learn, as he did humbly state in the post fight. Try as they might, I don’t think EliteXC will be able to cover the fact that Kimbo got pretty much beat down by a not so great mixed martial artist. I truly believe that Kimbo has the potential to be a great fighter, but that doesn’t mean that EliteXC should tailor-make victories for him either. Good effort Kimbo, shame on you EliteXC.
Tags: Brett Rogers, gina carano, James Thompson, joey villasenor, Jon Murphy, kaitlin young, kimbo slice, Phil Baroni, Robbie Lawler, Scott Smith



Gina Carano vs. Kaitlin Young
I think that stoppage was more about her cheek swelling up so much within seconds of the end of the round than the cut. I think the Dr. was worried her orbital could be broken which is definitely good reason to stop the fight.
trol – I agree, I think fractures were probably the main concern of the docs as she took a pretty good punch square on the nose and had major swelling and bruising under her eye as well. That one wasn’t too controversial in the eyes of longtime fans but I don’t know that casual fans fully understand doctor stoppages.
The main even was fixed. Someone get Oliver Stone to handle this.
1 Shaw was discrediting Thompson in the prefight interviews for Kimbo.
2 The ear…How does that get past the prefight physical? I haven’t seen that in 15 years of MMA fandom.
3 The Man from Gong and Dash where was he? I know it was a smart fight to not go balls out but this is the man who got into a classic punchfest with Frye and it looked like he was at halfspeed sparring
4 The pullaway of the camera during live footage. It felt like the movie The Running Man. Fox Sports net did that with Pride FC tape but that was tape. I am not saying Kimbo was in a bad position but it go better before the camera got back.
5 The restart…There was no reason for it…. Except to protect Kimbo
Mr. Shapiro is right on in this article, but to me it looked like Kimbo tapped twice. I haven’t heard to much about this anyone else see this?
The whole package was great I thought for the first event on cbs. Kimbo is not very good but he can hit hard. I look forward to more elite xc fights. At least they didn’t put kimbo in there with a scrub. The girls fight was fight of the night. The more MMA the better. As for commentators they did a great job critquing the fights. All round good preformance. as for the editors dislikes what a tosser, doesn’t like hot chicks dancing around, bagging the commentators you must be kidding
That Lawn Gnome Gary Shaw Is Doing to MMA what was Done to Boxing. He is Building a record up with Kimbo and using a FIX to do it. Every Thing he touches has Funny Smells the Boxing matches he promoted last month were blatant Fix jobs and now this Joke of a Fight. The Great thing about MMA up until now was the bouts were always never secure He is ruining that. If he puts it out there on National TV and thats what most of the casual fans think it is it will lose any steam. GET RID OF SHAW and get a real MMA organization.
I haven’t posted in a while but I definately have an opinion on this one…..
Gina proved her fighters spirit (even if she lost a % of her purse)
Kimbo would (AND WILL) loose to a REAL MMA fighter.
The team at EliteXC doesn’t come close to being able to produce a product that can be sold to the masses.
CBS had COMPLETE control over the outcome (s) of the fights.
Listen people. You can say what you want about the UFC (mainly Dana White)….. but…… They ABSOLUTELY have the best PRODUCT. I would LOVE to see the UFC fighters fight other productions fighters, but they know how to deliever the show. They will NOT give ANYONE the production rights to their shows (one of the smartest BUSINESS decisions EVER made!) and that keeps their MMA REAL. I feel the PRODUCT that was delivered was TAINTED.
On a side note……… The Robbie Lawler vs. Scott Smith fight (that EVERYONE knew should be the main event) showed how TRUE MMA FIGHTERS react to adversity. A great fight….. great comments by both fighters after the BS STOPPAGE, and I really gained a TON of respect for Lawler for being (what appeared to be) GENUINNLY upset by the stoppage.
I hope that EliteXC knows that they DID NOT delivier….. And the UFC has NOTHING to fear about loosing the top spot in MMA $$$.
trol and kris- true that the docs more likely ended things due to concern over facial fractures, as after the fight was stopped the announcer did not mention a specific reason. however I then read the results post which reads “Gina Carano def. Kaitlin Young via TKO (cut) – Round 2, 5:00″ If the (cut) portion of that result is inaccurate then my bit about Carano/Young is less warranted, but I was going off of the posted site result.
I put cut but I think “doctor’s stoppage” is a more accurate description. I don’t know the exact reason but she was pretty beat up either way, cut and swelled, and the stoppage was definitely the right move.
general doctors stoppage def the safer bet, now im curious to see youngs injury report. also, given the doctors royal fouling up of scott smith, i still have a hard time saying that young’s stoppage was absolutely, 100 percent justified. id be willing to bet that the stop call was legit but with so much shady business going on sat night, i find it difficult to not question any decision that elitexc dished out that evening. i will say that EXC has successfully made me skeptical of their product, and will likely never win back the trust and loyalty of many of their fans.
I’m disappointed by the event. By signing a network deal the Elite XC has put itself in the position of being the face of MMA to the uninitiated (unfortunately). When I tell someone that I watch MMA I don’t want them think I’m talking about Elite XC. The event was an embarrassment to the sport. Anyone else notice the fruity way Robbie Lawler entered the cage? It was a suitable entrance for a circus clown or a teletubby, not a fighter.
Matt – its not like people (guys) here don’t like seeing hot chicks dance around…but there is a time and a place for it…when you are going to a “gentlemen’s club” with some buddies…then of course you want to see that….or if you buy one of those dvd’s you see advertised at 2am…yes…you want to see it there too… but when you want to see a fight…you dont want to see something cheapen the experience!! Seriously.. the FIRST thing I thought of when I saw those girl dancing..was the Nitro Girls for WcW..
It just sucks that networks feel they have to tweak an already great product…they need to handle MMA like they did with poker…because a few yrs ago…texas holdem BLEW UP..and all of a sudden, it seemed like you couldnt go to a channel on tv without seeing it…you have espn, espn 2, classic, the travel channel, fox sports net, hell even Bravo had it…and other networks.. but what did they all have in common?? They didnt mess with the sport…they kept the product the same!!! With MMA…CBS wants to try and tweak an already great product…and this could have a bad effect for MMA…not just elite xc…it will turn some people off…and thats just sad…..I prob will watch their next FREE card, but I would pay a dime to see it if I had to!
your wrong kris k! it was an early stoppage and kimbo tapped even earlier! the fix was on and you ALL know it!
Matt, they DID put him in there with a scrub. He was 2-6 in his last 9 fights with one of his victories coming against a 43 old past his prime Don Frye.
i think that if they want to promote kimbo slice more they need to match him against other brawlers, maybe bring back tank abbot?? especially if they want to protect him and his record, they need to put him in with someone who will make a slug fest so we dont have to worry about the contravertial and un-nessicary stand ups. but yes i totally agree with Eric Shapiro in that robbie lawler and scott smith, both of whom are real fighters, not just someone made famous by youtube, should have been the main event
p.s. matt is an idiot
All you haters plz don’t watch next time. But ratings don’t lie.
p.s D-caff your an idiot
just because people tuned into the show doesnt mean it was good…millions of people watch american karaoke…i mean idol….does that mean that show is amazing?! Not to all…but it is to some….but I can tell you one thing…more people enjoy that crap (idol) than they did Elite XC on Saturday……the main reason it got so many viewers was 1…to see kimbo and to see if he lives up to the hype….2…bc Gina is hot and guys wanted to see her fight….3…bc there were curious people out there to see what all this talk about MMA was all about…
So thats why the numbers were great…but beyond that, it was a poor show…and they didnt do MMA justice…its not about flashy entrances and women dancing…its about fighting….and thats the diff between UFC and Elite…after a PPV… people never talk about the commentary (atleast, they rarely do) and no one talks about the ring girls…or what song someone came out to… they talk about the main reason the event was held.. the fights….and the UFC rarely disappoints…granted I say this now…knowing that possibly this weekend’s card in the UK is a disappointment from what it was supposed to be.. but 1…it could be a great card, you never know…and 2….doesnt matter who they put out there….the show will still be better than whatever Elite could throw together….
With all that being said…of course im going to watch the next show for Elite…to see if its better..and bc im a fan of MMA…but i would never pay to watch it…but I have no prob spending $45 to watch the UFC!
I enjoyed the fights, but the fix was definitely in on the Kimbo fight… Thompson was robbed.
Like someone else said, how the hell did Thompson get in the cage with that ear? Why didn’t they drain it right before he came out? I’ve never seen anything like that BEFORE a fight.
Thompson should have sold cut a deal with skittles to use his ear as an ad!