UFC 87 “Seek and Destroy” Results
By: Kris Karkoski | Aug 10, 2008
- Georges St-Pierre (c) def. Jon Fitch via unanimous decision
UFC Welterweight Championship - Brock Lesnar def. Heath Herring via unanimous decision
- Rob Emerson def. Manny Gamburyan via KO - Round 1, 0:12
- Kenny Florian def. Roger Huerta via unanimous decision
- Demian Maia def. Jason MacDonald via submission (rear naked choke) - Round 3, 2:44
- Tamdan McCrory def. Luke Cummo via unanimous decision
- Cheick Kongo def. Dan Evensen via TKO - Round 1, 4:55
- Jon Jones def. Andre Gusmao via unanimous decision
- Chris Wilson def. Steve Bruno via unanimous decision
- Ben Saunders def. Ryan Thomas via submission (armbar) - Round 2, 2:28
The best fightcard ive ever seen…
Jon Fitch was not ready to fight GSP…
Brock way to big for Heath herring..Brock learned a lot from his last fight…
Roger didnt seem to be in the fight at all..
good gor Kenny.
Kongo is crap…
glad to see manny get knocked out to ****y
UFC ROCKS
GO GSP YOU AMERICAN ****S!
that was kinda uncalled for i like gsp and glad he won and im american? anyone jesus brock is a beast
GSP IS AMAZING
Brock is so strong like, if he fought frank mirr like he did tonite for sure win for him…
watch heavyweights here comes brock
yeah if brock has a couple more months to learn proper submission attempts he has a real shot at the belt
Yeah I just think brock is to big to do submissions like when he had back control..he couldnt flatten out heath..if u noticed that..but im very happy to see him win
Brock blows. He laid on top of a guy for 15 mins. He didn’t even try to finish the fight. Brock doesn’t have submissions and he doesn’t have striking. Pushing a cow over on top of herring would have had the same effect. BORING!
LOL can u say 2-1 that means its his third fight..
to beat someone like heath must mean something..its funny how u can say he blows
I did’nt like the way he mocked or teased heath after the fight. Before the fight they kept showing him on his rural property in MN and talked about him not being hollywood and trying to get away from the wwe image but after the fight he seemed like sn a$$hole.
Still though he is an f’n beast. With more training could be champ. I’m trying to imagine him fighting fedor…………. Still can’t see him beating fedor. but sh!t, he had me thinking about it.
Jon Fitch he can sort of take a punch …sure he fell every round but never k.o lol what a guy! GSP BABY!!!!! Just cant wait till that super fight in Montreal!
Ya brock definetly could of toned the mocking down a notch but i think he was just so excited and proud that he beat a top heavy weight. He had a great performance and will improve greatly for his next fight.
I was right! sept the way GSP won. I thought he’d put him away in 2. But seriously no one will beat him again. Penn is going to get handled. Watch.
Brock looked stupid. I know he won and that punch was great and all but he knew NOTHING from the dominant position. Herring is game no doubt but damn. He didn’t know how to do a damn thing
SOOOO FREAKING GLAD ROGER ‘FAG BOY’ HUERTA LOST! He’s such a **** asking for all that money.. gay
So it looks like Roger won’t be getting his BIG contract with the UFC- oh well he didn’t look like he was into the fight anyways. I’m glad that Brock won and yeah he could’ve stopped the braggin’ but hey he WAS an entertainer… And isn’t it just AMAZING to see Manny on his ass! And the night ended with the best pound for pound fighter in the world- GSP!
Did anybody else catch that they didn’t put Ramage on the big screen? Bad press or what?
Brock Lesnar sucks ass. Dana payed Brock to lay on Heaths back for 15 mins. That was the worst mma fight ever. Thanks Brock you made your mark on the mma world, a **** stain more like it. You need to give back refunds to every fan that came out to watch your faggot ass!!!
To all of Brock’s fans you suck! Brock is the worst thing to enter in mma. And to everyone thats blogging in with support of Brock, can support deeze nuts.
Lesnsnar took out one of the best HW in the world fyi with ease
i personally would like to see Lesnar v GG or Kongo that should ne his next “step” imo
Amazing !
Macdonald vs Maia was really cool !
Kongo was a beast even if he did attitude with fagett Joe Rogan.
Awesome fight between Huerta and Florian. Huerta was the predator but an excellent defence showing by Florian.
Lesnar was too powerfull for the horse.
GSP is like Mario Lemieux. I saw more than 20 KO punch and I just don’t understand how you can survive that. Fitch is a tough 4 real.
I’m no Lesnar fan but i was in awe on how dominate he was over Herring, if you cant give him credit after that performance then there is something wrong with you all.
GSP looked amazing as did Maia too.
Whaley,
GSP fight was the most boring of the night. After the fight when Penn came out and challenged GSP, GSP did not say he’d fight Penn. He just kept saying I’ll fight anyone, anytime. Penn kept saying lets do it, lets settle this.
Before the fight I thought GSP was tough. Now I think otherwise. He does not Rock.
Last time GSP and Penn fought, GSP won by split decision. After the gight GSP ended up in the hospital, while Penn went to his after party. GSP does not want any part of this fight.
I’m sure Dana was happy Kenflo won. Since Huerta’s contract is up, and Huerta was asking for more money, now Dana can offer him little. I hope Huerta goes to Affliction to get paid and get a title.
im not a big fan of lesnar but u have got to give the guy huge credit for how he manhandled herring. anyone who says it was lay and pray should take a look at herrings face after the fight. you dont look like a mess if someones JUST lying on you. well done brock and a card for ufc.
The Emerson, Maia, and Kongo fights were good but the rest of the fights were kind of boring. I hate seeing fights go to decision. The Brock fight was sooooooooo boring. Brock never took advantage of his positions and he never tried to finish the fight. Herring was bloody from one big punch (which Lesnar never capitalized on.) I hope to see Lesnar vs Kongo soon. That way I get to see Brock get his skull smashed in. Whoever says this was a good fight card and that Brock Lesnar is a good MMA fighter should be flogged with a wet noodle and sat in a corner with a dunce hat on.
Awesome Card! I picked Heath to win and was shocked by Brock’s performance. Heath is at the top of his game and Brock smashed him. Give Brock a break…Look at Randy he started out in the same fashion back in the 90’s and developed more game over time.
G.S.P. looked good against fitch but would get owned by Penn. Please Dana put this fight together.
Kongo is an A–! Go Kenny!
I don’t know why everyone is holding Lesnar so high up, like he should be knowing the perfect thing to do in every situation. Everyone is forgetting that last night was his 3rd overall MMA fight. 3RD!! Him not being able to capitalize on submission attempts should be expected. It would be freak-ish if he had the right response in every situation in a bout this early in his career. I give the guy props for ASKING for opponents like Mir and Herring. Most guys go 5+ fights deep to start off their career before they take on a good opponent. Also, I haven’t seen one anti-Lesnar comment yet that has supported why Lesnar “sucks deeze nuts”. My 8 yr old cousin can throw out random insults like that too. Except he’s actually funny.
If Lesnar learns anykind of submissions the heavyweights better look out. He did a great job taking Herring down at will.
G.S.P. is the second best fighter in the world, behind Anderson Silva, and he showed it. I have to give Fitch credit he is one tough dude who took alot of punnishment.
Florian ran the whole time, but counter punched his way to victory. Huerta should rethink his contract demands.
Maia is a beast on the ground. MacDonald was taken to school in this one. The man has sick sick sick submissions. Great fight. Should be fight and submission of the night.
Emerson deserves KO of the night.
Lesnar has nothing to do with my nuts he is just not that good of a fighter. Inexperience is no excuse. If anything his lack of experience is another reason he shouldn’t be in the Octagon. I expect to see skilled fighters in the UFC. I know I know it might be a little too much to ask for a guy to hold on to a rear naked choke for a few more seconds or work a little more GNP but I guess I’m just asking to much.
Gonzo did you actually watch the fight or just catch it on some highlight show. GSP dominated one of the most dominating fighters in the game and you have the balls to say he sucks. Man I’d like to see how your athleticism stand up after holding down a wrestler that doesn’t get held down and try to pound him out at the same time. Man I can’t believe some of the comments that people type in here. Brock will learn the rest of the fight game and when he does there’s gonna be trouble. Good thing Mark didn’t fight he’d be in the geriatric unit this morning!! Give credit when it’s due these guys put themselves through hell to entertain us. Great Card!!
glad to see huerta get his due… karma is a **** aint it boy? as far as brock goes, being large from years of using steriods isnt equal to skill. he is large, that is his “skill”!
6 out of 10 fights went to decision! How can anyone say this was a great card? Good fighters and everything but come on.
And yes GSP DID say put the fight together, and he did say to give whoever deserves a title shot a shot. How does Penn deserve a title shot at GSP in his last two welterweight fights he lost. I can’t wait to see GSP take Penn and finish this. Oh and by the way GOnzo there’s nothing to settle, GSP beat Penn in the only fight they’ve had so it’s not even a one to one record, not a rubber match, nothing. GSP probably feels Penn needs to defend his own belt a few times before demanding a shot at another belt, what’s he got 1 defence against Sherk. GSP has only one defense as well, why not get some wins as champ before making a fool out of yourself. BJ is going to get what he needs from GSP and that a slap back to reality and a one way ticket back to 155
6 out of 10 went to decision yes but that’s not better than a 45 minute fight card where everyone either gets knocked out or tapps in a minute and a half. No thanks I’ll take this type of fight night over a bunch of lucky punches thanks.
Does Brock suck and striking? yes, does brock suck at submission? yes does brock suck at wrestleing? NO… most fighters that have a wrestling back ground suck at striking, submission and GNG early into there carrer…
i dont dislike/like brock, i take him for what he is… a power house wrestler who is a rookie in mma… he doesnt even have to learn submissions to be a force and future champion…. all he has to learn is take down defence, and submission defence…
the mir fight was an eye opener for brock, and if mir hadnt submitted him he would have lost, even mir admits that… people hate on brock because he came from wwe… but you all should respect him for coming to ufc from wwe, because he wanted real fighters, he wanted to see what he is capable of… and he has the potential for greatness in the octagon, and it will ake years for him to develope… after all he isnt like hte prodijy bj penn and has a natural ability for submission…
as for kenflo/huerta fight…. i bet dana said to kenflo if it goes to the cards you will win… look at tito’s last fight… same bs… and he lost, this just goes to show that you shouldnt cross dana…
im glad gsp won, i knew it wouldnt be a walk throuh for him as fitch is a tough cookie to crack… gsp/penn will be a good fight, and i hope gsp wins to shut that hawaiian up…
JJ Man,
Don’t forget Brock was a division 1 wrestling champ. That’s no joke. I agree with your view on him completely. It’s just that there was a “real wrestling” Brock before the phony WWE wrestlting Brock. He was actually a real athlete.
Dude,
Anyone that says the GSP fight was borring must be 13 AND have ADD. That fight was anything but borring. It was dominant sure, one sided as hell, but the fact that Fitch fought back like he did showed a TON of heart, and GSP’s striking was fantastic! He’s so freaking fast, super-man punch, leg kicks, his jab was completely unstoppable.
Penn is going to lose to GSP again imo, at 170 Penn will be carrying too much weight for his frame, did you notice he almost had a pooch in his shirt when talking to GSP? I don’t see Penn being able to go 5 rounds with GSP at all. But we’ll see.
Ok this is why I was hating on Brock Lesnar, I think he *IS* going to be the HW champ of the UFC, he just needs to work a bit more on a few areas, but the fact that he is wanting to fight championship fighters now and then lays on them for 14.5 mins (gotta give him .5 min for that good right hand) is stupid. He should be fighting guys like O’Brien, Wellech and others so that he can try out submissions and mounts and things to get comfortable with them. His camp isn’t doing him any favors at all. I don’t see him doing too hot against any top BJJ guy. But we’ll see
The part that pisses me off about Brock. Dana is making him out to be some god sent fighter. He sucks point blank. The averge heavyweight is about 235 to 250, if brock walks around at 295 they need to open a super heavyweight. So Brock can fight people his own size. Prides had guys fighting at over 300 pounds.
Super Heavyweight would be a great draw!
Kongo just looks like he has the tools, he just doesn’t know what to do with them. He looks confused all the time. I don’t understand why Dana keeps him around. He got extremely lucky with CroCrop, I still haven’t accepted that that happened but obviously he had the right game plan for that fight. I just don’t see Kongo being around for much longer. At least in the UFC, maybe in a local organization somewhere but not at the pinnacle of the sport. He just doesn’t have the killer instinct.
Larry,
Yes, I watched the fight live on PPV. I just reviewed it. Penn said, “Do u want to do it?” GSP, responded with, “Of course I want, I want to give a shot to everyone who deserves it.” This wasn’t a direct enough answer.
And I didn’t say GSP sucks.
Brandon,
GSP is a great fighter, and his 3 previous fights were awesome. But last night I was bored watching 5 rounds of GSP dominating Fitch, but not being able to finish him.
Rememeber, there were so many other great fights before the main event, tha this didn’t cap the night for me.
No way Dana will let the two champs fight each other, anytime soon. He is hurting for title defenses. 10 months between LHW title match and 9 months for HW title match. Don’t use champs on TUF.
Royal Assissin,
You are right on. I was entertained by the Brock fight. He is the Dana White’s “Kimbo Slice.” I have watched Heath for many years in PRIDE and I am familiar with his skills. I was surprised how Brock was able to use his size to his advantage. He has learned a lot. But if he fights Congo or Gonzaga, he’ll get killed. They have the skills and size to compete with Brock.
okokok i was wrong about huerta… but stope hating on brock.. man the dude throws bombs. noone will beat him standin up… and i knew after gsp won everyone would start talking how bad he is and now everyone is saying he’ll beat penn. when a day ago everyone was saying how gsp will get killed. come on guys stick to your storys…
Brocks fight was dull cause he didn’t want to get all excited like he did against mir and get caught. Don’t forget that Heath submited his 1st like 13 opponents, so despite the fact that he Heath has become more of a banger doesn’t mean that he couldn’t catch a very inexperienced guy like Brock. And how anyone can say Brock doesn’t have great standup, but I’ve never seen 1 punch send a guy flying like that.
GSP is the greatest Wrestler in MMA. With that said he did basicly nothing on the ground. And while GSP has very fast hands there no way you catch a guy that clean (send his mouth piece or whatever that was in the 3rd flying) and not finish him. Is Fitch tough? Yes very much so, kid earned my respect. But I still question GSP’s KO power. So was I really impressed? Yes and no. he couldn’t finish Kos and Fitch and beat serra and Hughes who are both past there prime. So what makes you everyone think he will walk through BJ? I saw almost zero BJJ skill on the mat, against a guy who isn’t doesn’t have anywhere near the skills of Penn. Add that to the fact that I think he still questions if he can take a punch. In the last minute of the 3rd Fitch is on the fence hurt bad, what does GSP do? He slams him, Why? Your killing him standing up go in and finish. I honestly feel he’s was scared of getting caught with a desperation right hook and getting KO’d. That’s the only way I can explain that thought process.
awesome fight card ever!! all the guys won like i thought lesnar st pierre florian. im glad florian won i hope he beats bj penn! st pierre is the best no ones gonna beat him unless they get lucky like serra or he gets to old and leave the name of favorite fighter
*Matt Hughes*
hes still my favorite even though hes to old now/ =(
marko, you’re obviously jealous of us american ****s.We live in the greatest country in the world. i feel this way about anyone who gets all nationalistic like that cuz MMA is one of the few sports where people regularly cheer for fighters from other countries.
As for lesnar, the dude looked damn good for someone in his 3rd fight against someone like herring. yes, i wish he’d class it up, but keep in mind not only where he came from, but the fact that he’s been takin heat for that mir fight for a while. not that i think it’s an excuse, but i think it’s relevant.
and now here it comes, all you fitch lovers that thought he was the man to beat gsp…. I f’n told you so, hahahah. all kidding aside, i give him (and herring) a ton of respect for hangin in during that kind of a beating. i’ve never had anything against the guy, but he never had a chance. besides bj, who’s even left for gsp? WW’s are becoming depleted and he’s already beaten just about everyone who’s left. Thiago? then who? i think it’s gonna be a pretty long reign for him if bj doesn’t win.
LOL @ the Lesnar hating.
St. pierre wins!!!
kenflo win!!!
lesnar wins!!
all just like i thought but not big lesnar fan..
leave favorite fighter at bottom of comments from now on
*Matt Hughes* i still like him even though hes to old now.
GONZO your stupid saying he would fight anyone is saying that he will fight and BEAT penn again or anyone else out there…I want to see him and anderson silva in the future
KOuch and the others that know,
Their baby didn’t make it…will post more soon…
The GSP-Fitch fight went perfectly. GSP beat him in dominating fashion and didn’t get hurt and then BJ was in there afterwards saying let’s do this.
Finally, the best match up in mma is going to go down. The first fight didn’t prove anything other than the fact that they had to fight again and 5 rounds this time. The first time around, GSP won the athletic contest and Penn won the fight.
SInce then they have both improved: GSP his wrestling and Penn his dedication and focus and perhaps his striking.
The best thing about GSP having to deal with Penn is that this is one guy he can’t manhandle. GSP is used to powering thru guys with his wrestling, while having a striking advantage to boot. He doesn’t have the striking advantage over Penn, I think Penn hits harder and is just as accurate or more so. GSP’s got better kicks, certainly, but Penn’s got better knees. Watch that shoot GSP.
As far as the wrestling, Penn is very hard to takedown, but GSP is so strong in this regard that he probably will get him down, but not at will like he did against Fitch. But once you get BJ down you have to deal with the fact that he has the best jits in mma. That’s alot different than a guy who happens to have received his black belt recently. We’re talking the BEST jits in mma. BJ can sub GSP. That’s a threat that no one else at 170 can offer.
While GSP is a superb athlete, I think BJ is a tougher fighter and that goes a long way to winning. What is amazing about this fight is that they both present the prototype to the toughest match up the other guy can face. And they are among the best P4Ps in the world facing each other for supremacy. It doesn’t get any better than that.
GSP goes in as the favorite. A lot of people can’t conceive of him losing to Penn at this point. But Penn certainly has his share of diehard fans (myself among them) that know he can beat him. A guy named Machida that no one wants to fight right now at 205 couldn’t enforce his will on Buddha BJ and only won via split decision. BJ in the shape of his life (which he will be for GSP) will be unlike any other test GSP has faced.
I think there is more doubt in GSP than Penn.
It will be a war and I think BJ (better chin) will soften GSP up on his feet, but not without taking some damage himself, and then sub him on the ground by oma or gogoplata in the third while GSP is on top of him trying to GnP.
But whatever the outcome it’s the fight of the century. Forget Randy Fedor, this is the one.
It was was a great night of fights! I didn’t like the way Brock acted after the fight with Heath and I hope to see Gonzaga Kick him straight to the dome some day.
Man there is a lot of frustrated peoples out there. I think it was hearthbreaking for a lot of peoples to see how ****ing much Fitch was dominated and how he lost every ****ing round.
It’s funny because these lonely hearts will also be sad when they realise GSP is better than BJ Penn. I can’t wait to see all the drama it will make to see Baby-Jay lose again.
This was not a boring card. I dont like decisions too but it was quality decisions. A good fight need action to be interessting and there was a lot of actions.
Who can say that it was more cool to see the weird armenian guy been knock out after 12 seconds than to see the five round destruction by GSP ?
–Lesner is getting there but clearly has a few things to learn. Class and respect being important lessens. Lesner-Gonzaga would be a bone splitting fight.
–Fitch has an awesome chin. Why did fans chant U-S-A? It’s not the Olympics - who cares where the fighter comes from?
–Maia was slick and Jason is a real survivor.
–Penn in the ring trying to hype a rematch looked silly and was embarrassing - we know this calling out stuff is all BS to sell PPV’s. Plus he should give the winner his due and let him speak. GSP handled it with class (big surprise) and obviously learned from his mistake when he did something similar to ‘the dick.’
Does anyone agree that Dan Miragliotta is the most crooked ref in MMA?
Man…I stopped reading these comments about half way through bc Im tired of reading stupid comments….
Seriously….just because a fight goes to a decision does NOT make it bad or boring….are you telling me you thought the fight that basically put the UFC on the map, Forrest vs Bonnar was BORING!?!?!!?
GSP’s fight last night was AMAZING…I dont know who I was impressed with more…prob Fitch to be honest, he was KO’d about 5-6 times, but recovered quickly…I even think he almost won round 2….but still, GSP is too dominant. Yes, he didnt directly answer Penn, but Im sure that was more of a contract reason than a scared reason…he will fight and beat Penn…plain and simple…
As for Brock…I love how people bash him bc he is inexperienced….really? So where is a guy supposed to get experience? He is working his way up…thats what you do in MMA just like the corporate world….no one hands you the manager position…just like no one is handing Brock the belt….Dana isnt going to put him up vs Nog after he kills Mir….he will prob have him fight Kongo, then maybe 1-2 more guys THEN a title shot.. prob next december…. and the show boating.. yea, that was bush…..but I havent heard anyone say a thing about the show boating from both Huerta and Florian..they were doing that in the 3rd round….after a few shots.. acting like it didnt hurt… that, to me, is just as bad…. and there is no room for that…
All in all, it was a great card…i dont think i was bored once….If I had to say 1 fight was boring, it prob was the Huerta/Florian.. Florian started to make me think he was related to Caleb Starnes…..but it ended up still being good…Im sure Huerta still has some toe marks in his neck
Royal Assissin,
Brock Lesnar weighed in at 265 not 295. 265 is the max for the division and they wouldn’t have let him fight at 295.
As for him mocking Herring, Herring did talk a lot of crap about Brock not being able to compete in MMA and even though beating him shut Herring up, Lesnar didn’t go as far as other fighters have gone before (Tito Ortiz).
I think people are forgetting that Jon Fitch is as tough as he is, GSP couldn’t put him away because Fitch can take a lot of punishment and was still defending punches and keeping himself safe from submissions. This doesn’t make GSP any less of a fighter.
Brock Lesnar vs Cheik Kongo would be a nice fight for Brock. I don’t think Cheik stands much of a chance there. Brock would take him down with ease, and pretty much do the same thing he just did to HH.
Fitch does have a great chin, but even better recovery, now wether you want to call recovery a chin or not I can’t tell but he got rocked several times near finishing.
GSP has KO power, he’s KO’d Hughes (who took a good beating from penn for 2 rounds to come back and beat Penn) he’s KO’d Sherk (in faster time than penn did) he’s KO’d a ton of people with great chins.
I think Cheik is confused as well. Not to say he isn’t going to put it together eventually but seriously when someone wants to stand and bang with Cheik and he looks for the takedown is plain stupid. He’s a fantastic K-1 fighter! He’s very dominant in the stand up and he had little to worry about last night from his opponent on the feet, it just took him 3 minutes to realize that.
I think he needs a new camp.
Cheick Kongo versus Brock Lesnar.
This can do a lot of fireworks.
Lawrence,
Genius, learn to use comas, so readers can understand what you are trying to say.
If you recall, GSP showed up in the ring after a Matt Hughes fight and challenged him to a rematch/title fight. That’s how he won the title the first time. Penn just took a page out of GSP’s playbook. But, GSP doesn’t want any part of it. It would be a great fight though.
Anderson Silva will tear GSP apart. So GSP, just fight at 170 lbs., you own it.
Can anyone tell me what brand Cheick Kongo’s shirt was? And if you know where it can be bought could you tell me that also.
Jason N,
Fisrt of all, I think fights that go to decision are great. Remember Sherk vs. Franca at UFC 73 was the best championship fight I have ever seen. (Eventhough now it turns out they were both juicing) This past card was stacked, and every fight leading up to the main event was soo exciting. And GSP vs. Fitch seemed stale. GSP’s 3 previous fights were unforgettable. Atleast, that’s my opinion.
I think Brock has a lot of potential. I also think Kimbo Slice has a lot of potential. But Dana White cannot say a good thing about Kimbo. Well, Brock is raw and has a lot to learn, but he is fun to watch. No different than Kimbo. Heath is a very skilled fighter. It was amazing how Brock owned him.
bring on gsp penn, im not that impresed how did GSP not finish the fight bad times ahead when BJ kicks his ass,
brock is a f*cking beast cant belive how big he is dam hes must be able to match most guys in the ufc i cant think of who is next fight is guna be? maybe kongo? herring beat him last fight tho, i can see brock getting a shot next year.
Well, I’m Canadian and proud of GSP but won’t **** on others Country for that…
Awesome fight card, GSP fight kept me on my toe, he showed he was the whole deal and wandering who’s next? Fitch showed tremendous hearth and a taught dude.
Huerta showed that he wasn’t worth the new contract he’s asking. (yet)Florian was great…
Brock showed some improvement on his MMA skills, I’m stilt not sure what would be the outcome with another BJJ expert like Nogeiria?
rhoads77,
Brock does walk around at 295 he said it in a interveiw. I think in this present time of the mma world, every weight class has 15 pound exect the heavy weight has 70 pounds. they need to make a HW 205-245 and a superheavy weight 245-300.
So if everyone thats on the Brock bandwagon, can really is what he can do with someone his own size.
Jon fitch is the real deal of the ufc. He did lose to the greatest fighter in the world. But, that MOFO can take an azz whippen, and come back for more. Much respect Fitch!!
GSP is the man!!!!
Brock Lesnar still needs to get more rounded
Lots of Brock haters. wow. Laid on top of Herring and did nothing? Did some of you see Heath after the fight??? The guy was tore up. That doesnt happen if a guy just lays on you. Go Brock. That guy is gonna be a beast. Much respect to Fitch for his heart. Gsp’s striking looked great. But there’s no way he’s gonna knock out Penn. Thank god Florian beat Roger “feelsorryformecuzmychildhoodsucked” Huerta. Cant stand that guy. Needs to grow up as a person before he moves to the next step. Great card! Now looking for to The Iceman knocking out Rashad!
brock can be very good but needs alot of more training before he gets good bj penn will never beat st.pierre.
st.pierre will kick bj’s ass again and im american but still big st.pierre fan .
im glad that florian won florian rules and i hope bj get bet by florian like he does by st.pierre!!!!
bj would kill florian. I don’t know what will happen in the GSP-Penn fight, they’re both really ****ing good. It should take the headlining event for NYE, cause honestly, who cares to see Mir-Nogeuira?
Royal Assassin:
I said he weighed-in at 265, if you are that weight for the fight, does it make much of a difference in your favor if you walk around at 295?
florian would not get killed by bj! bj very good but ken flo still has a good chance ans St.pierre would definetly beat Bj Penn again! and i dont know royal.-_-
Anyone that says the Lesnar/Herring fight was more exciting than the GSP/Fitch fight must have either watched the first 10 seconds of the lesnar/herring fight and then left untill the gsp fight, because it was anything BUT action packed afterwards.
People saying that GSP will have a hard time taking Penn down must have never seen their first fight, where he took Penn down at will in rounds 2 and 3 nearly. he has that 80% take down average for a reason. He’s good at what he does, and he’s a lot better now than before. I don’t see him beating Penn, period.
And Royal you aren’t that weight for the fight, your that weight for the weight in the day beore the fight. So on fight day Lesnar was probably about 280
GONZO!!!! They obviously have the fighters go in the ring to say that stuff. Im sure bj just got out of his seat and walked into the ring, right? No its to hype up the fight. Still Penn has no chance. He needs to stay at 155 and fight florian even though I woudln’t be suprised if florian kicked his ass! He is unstoppable right now just like st pierre
Haha I don’t understand the hate for BJ, not only hate but just lack of respect. Can one of you guys who seem to hate BJ please explain it to us. I always love the guy that just spits out random things like oh yea Kenny would destroy BJ. And then give no reason he thinks that other than the fact that he’s bias.
aznstar,
you’re correct…. seriously if Kenny fought BJ like he did Roger, there would be zero chance of Kenny beating BJ……. and for some reason whenever GSP fights he is always the BADDEST man in the world…. people always forget about BJ, Anderson Silva, Fedor ect cuz GSP won… iam a GSP fan but he could finish Jon even when he had him 90% ko’d, if its not personal for GSP it seems he doesnt get the killer instinct..
the “SUPERFIGHT” between BJ and GSP is going to be a great moment for MMA hope it happens
ooops. btw i meant to say I don’t see GSP LOSING to Penn, Period
i agrre with u lawrence i would like to see kenflo kick his ass! KENFLO all the way!!!
and aznstar if he fought the way against roger he would do great he just dominated a top cotender for the title!
I would rather watch kimbo fight then Brock he’s such a dush bagg…..his striking is so ugly bring back the pitt bull to whip his ass!
Haha that was a dominating fight? It was a bad fight for Huerta style wise. Huerta is a wild striker that wants a war. Florian did what I thought he would and won. But not being able to finish sherk and Huerta doesn’t impress me. Especially after BJ just finished sherk off in a one sided beating. There isn’t 1 aspect of fighting florian is better than BJ in. You are just gonna look stupid if you try to argue that point. No one in 155 even matches up close to BJ. The only guy that can give him a fight is GSP. That’s why BJ wants to fight him so damn badly.
aznstar, agreed @155 nobody really can touch BJ (that are signed in the UFC), for a finisher Kenny didnt look that agressive towards Huerta, he did a good job in that fight of not getting caught and he won, and no he didnt run or anything he just avoided a full on knockout drag out fight with Roger and he won…. he couldnt do that against BJ, BJ would cut down angles and beat Kenny badly…… regardless of what happens between BJ&GSP, Florian deserves a title shot…
but still Kenflo still has a good shot and when he was fighting Sean, Sean was using steriods. now sherk doesnt use steriods thats y he got dominated by bj.
UFCfan, Kenflo has as good of a chance @155 which isnt very good yet he does have a chance… did Sean test clean after the fight with Kenflo?
I think more people(americans) don’t like gsp just because he is canadian, well get prepared to have your pride hurt again when he kicks bjs hawaiian welfare check collectin ass
Wow what’s up with the canadians on this site? No one has bashed GSP cause of his nationality. Hell I’m the guy that has been the most critical of GSP and I like watching him fight. So lets be mature folks and not make this into a thing about national pride.
With that said I hope that french candian Bastard Cote gets KO’d in the 1st…lol J/K
del,
I don’t think it is a racist issue. I mean, it is sorta had to look past those flapping heads and beady eyes but Canadians are all good. Especially GSP. He just defended his title and looks to be on the path to becoming a legend……time will tell. Why would you say such insulting remarks about BJ? What did he do to you?
Kris,
FIGHTER BASHER ALERT!!!!!!
azn,
I’ve been sarcastically racist in the past so that might be where he is getting it from. I was just joking if it was me.
im a big GSP fan del! i would like him to beat Bj’s ass like last ime but better and im american! and im sure GSP is gonna be a hall of famer.
KOuch,
hahaha damn that was harsh what del said… also who dislikes GSP because he is Canadian, there is sooo many more reasons to dislike him, he is a great fighter, a champion, speaks a few languages, tried to rip off Hughes arm….. im a fan of GSP’s and i believe that your argument is simply unfounded….. who dislikes Canadians besides?
I’m Canadian. And I’m a huge GSP fan. But I’m a bigger fan of Bj Penn. Really, I don’t care who wins if these two fight. It’s a win-win
bj will lick the blood of gsp!
Gunslinger,
Is that good or bad?
well i like bj more than gsp so i guess good
HAHAHA bj will lick the blood of GSP i would bet alot of money on GSP to win but thats still funny gunslinger
gsp will be tko’d by penn remember those words
gsp all the way… ive never seen a dominate performance by bj in ww division
bj penn will be ko’d by GSP in either round 4 or 5 remember those words…
penn would beat his ass
no way ufcfan and yz…….first off ufcfan…bj has one of the best chins in mma gsp aint going to knock him out….penn won the first fight..everyone knows it…..penn spent the night at a bar….gsp was in the hospital…penn will beat gsp….and trying to make a point yz like penn has never had a dominate performence at ww is like me saying gsp has never had a dominate performance at lw…it doesnt make sence!
BJ is on a diffrent level to GSP and the rest of mma hes top dog, and people will belive this when he takes out gsp, i truely dont think gsp can take an hit and bj will land punches
first off it doesn’t make sense because gsp has never fought in lw… and another thing so your basing the outcome of the first fight because gsp was in the hospital and bj was at a bar huh… thats a neat way to call a fight… and the reasoning being for the comment about bj not having a dominat fight in ww is because the lazy fuccer gased and blamed it on that…
yz BJ did gass and i think he has learnt from that ad now hes in the best shape of his life thats not going to happen again gsp is guna get a beating of the kind he just put on fitch
he did gas and he was injured..you sit here and tell me that hughes won that fight….you cant!…penn lost that fight due to injury and the gsp fight come on…everyone knows that decsion was bad……the only way gsp wins this fight is if he lay n prays bj……gsp doesnt have a good chin and bj will finish him off with puches probably in the third
all you guys need to stopped blaming the fights that go to decision on the judges. come on its getting old… being a fight you know you can’t leave it to the judges. and gassing out doesn’t look good to the judges. he didn’t go into the fight prepared. its his own fault… stop making damn excuses for the fighters… he can’t fight at that weight. you’ll see he’ll be slower and weaker..im not saying he will be alot. but gsp will be him at his own game… like he did matt/serra/kos/and fitch… just watch
ya and i cant wait for gsp and bj have interviews for this fight so gsp can go i believe i am betta at all azpecks of dis game…i hav betta jew jitssue than beee jayyy and i hav betta boxing dan bj…i will beat bj..he caant handullll my riddum!
haha funny sh!t gun
YZ,
GSP’s BJJ isnt that good to beat BJ @ his own game, i also would say that GSP’s standup isnt as good as Penns…. can GSP take him down and gnp him ala Serra fight hell ya, but if Penn doesnt gas again i dont see him losing to GSP again just out of pure determination Penn looked pumped when he challenged GSP, GSP was like um ok whatever Dana wants sure…… o i wasnt making excuses either i think BJ will win, i also can see GSP getting another decision tho
ok well i respect your opinion and all your guys opinion… cuz noone is right or wrong. untill after the fight… but the whole blaming the judges thing when your favorite fighter loses or what ever is getting old the fighter shouldn’t let it go to the judge then again its my opinion…
YZ,
So true. If MMA has a golden rule to winning it is, “DON’T LEAVE THE DECISION IN THE JUDGES HANDS.”
GUNSLINGER,
I loved your GSP French-Canadian-English tounge typing……you said “jew” for JJ….that accent you typed was LOL classic. I did something similar for Pedro Feliz(MLB) on the SF Giants site one time with a hispanic accent(typing style) and got banned….go figure.
Bisbing v Hamill was proof of that.. YZ, and i agree with u that u shouldnt blame the judges when “your favorite fighter” recieves a loss and lets it go to the judges hands….
Moving up to 170lbs and choking out the Defending Champ and future hall of famer in the 1st round isnt impressive? he destroyed hughes in that fight.
GSP doesnt like getting pressured and B will come in and try to set the tempo. BJ is such an effective striker that he will land and make GSP want to shoot in more. Lets be honest with the exception of tapping Hughes (which at this point in his career isnt saying much), this new GSP hasent done a whole lot on the ground. his Fight with Kos was impressive how easily he took him down, but he never really had Kos hurt and in trouble. He couldnt finish an injured Fitch on the ground. I honestly think Serra is right, GSP is a head case. He got Ko’d and is worried about getting in a brawl with anyone. and I will say this again, in the 3rd he had Fitch just waiting to get put away and instead of coming in and striking you go for the slam and with like 20 sec’s to go allow him to the chance to make it to the end? why? you finish your fights. so i take out his fights with Hughes (cause hughes is a shell of himself, Thiago proved that) and Serra (i like him, hes funny. but he isnt an elite MMA guy) and you have 2 desicions against guys in/or around their prime and I dont see evidence of Him having the over all game to beat BJ, let alone Anderson Silva.
This wasn’t near the show I was hoping it would be. Glad I didn’t pay for it. I really thought GSP could finish Fitch. Very disappointing.
Kongo still looks awkward and Lesnar just proved he can use his weight and be on top of people an entire round.
Kongo Lesnar has the chance of being thee most boring fight in MMA history. It’ll make that Kos Diego fight look like a action movie. But then again both could come out swinging, in which case it could be King Kong Vs. Godzilla.
I do love all the people that ripped Lesnar, but love the way GSP fought. Brock let Heath off the hook in the 1st by just holding him for like a minute in what was basicly a head lock. GSP let Fitch off a ton of times too, only difference is Brock has 3 fights and GSP is a world champ.
PS still waiting for Brock to get a triangle put on him and for him to just pick him up and powerbomb dude like Rampage did in Pride.
oh those will be some nasty slams
aznstar_inc,
its impossible to put brock in a triangle…his shoulders are to big…it just woudlnt work…and im being for real its impossible
aznstar
i don’t think GSP’s ability to put jon away should be in question here.You should be looking at fitch’s toughness. this is a guy who won 8 straight in the ufc,never had his guard passed,and hasn’t lost in 5 years.If anything you should give gsp props for being so dominent.
As far as the kos fight there might not be another fighter in the world who can dominate kos in the wresling game like gsp did.
RJA- 1st thank you for being the only one with any credible comment willing to discuss anything.
I don’t so much question the finish, but I question if it isn’t in the back of his head that he is scared to get KO’d again. Some great athletes are complete head cases. GSP looked very gun shy, not wanting to go in for the kill. I think he tasted Fitchs power in the 2nd and was a little timid to finish the fight. Instead chosing to pick up fitch and slam him and lay on top to finish the round. That’s my personal opinion.
As for Kos, yes he was a much better wrestler and out pointed him the whole way. But what I’m saying is he did nothing with what he was given. And did nothing to show he is as great (as a MMA fighter) as everyone holds him up to be. He isn’t perfect and I see what I percieve as a few holes in his armor.
i think bj’s better but if he has to go up a wieght class to fight GSP that makes a hugh difference and there first fight bj only won round one i see GSP beating bj in rounds 2and3 so bj lose fair and square. and i believe hes definaly gonna lose again
yeah ufcfan… i don’t see bj winning…
w00t we agree.and if this fight is gonna happen when will it happen?
What’s funny is a lot of the guys that picked Roger Huerta to win are no picking GSP. Only way I can see GSP winning is via Desicion cause he gets a bunch of takedowns and weathers the standup game of Penn. No way he finishes BJ.
well its rumored to be main event at the end of december…
aznstar_inc i was for huerta and i ive always been for gsp… from what i recall alot of people saying gsp is gonna lose to fitch now everyone is saying sh1t like they were for them the whole time… and i admit it i choked on the kenflo/huerta fight…
I THOUGHT KENFLO WOULD WIN AND LESNAR AND GSP I DIDNT REALLY LOOK AT OTHER FIGHTS BUT I KNOW GSP IS GONNA BE CHAMP FOR A LONG TIME UNLESS BJ CAN GET LUCKY LIKE SERRA. EVEN THOUGH I STILL THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO WATCH TO SEE HOW BJ DOES AND SEE IF HE CAN WIN ONE ROUND LIKE LAST TIME.
i really dont think gsp is as good as everyone thinks…..i just think bj is going to have his way with him and take the fight whereever he wants …i see the gsp/bj fight looking like the bj/sherk fight…i think eventually gsp will get caught and bj will capitalize!…but i could be dead wrong!
AND U R LOL J/K WELL SEE…
hmm…
nothing else to say i guess?..ok
wat?
o well none was coming to this one i was just saying random stuff..
UFC,
How about this:
Old school rules:
Tyson Griffin vs Brock Lesnar
KenFlo vs Keith Jardine
Matt Hughes vs Chiek Kongo
GSP vs Randy Couture(I know)
Wandy vs Karo Parysian
Liddell vs Josh Koscheck
Diego Sanchezz vs Urijah Faber
Carlos Condit vs Jon Fitch
switch condit over to kongo and you have my 39.95
all other money goes to Rickson of course …:)
well its not like that K0uch. i wasnt saying like random fights that would never happen.
UFCfan,
Who cares what it’s like. I know those matches will never happen which is why I only put together ridiculousness! Now give me your picks!
I hadn’t thought about subs on Lesnar. I think a sucessful sub on Brock would be Shooto-Sambo based (footlock legbar roll) maybe a Hayastan thing.
Dietrich,
I wouldn’t mind seeing Faber move up into the UFC LW divison and Diego drop down to get absolutely dominated. That is a match I would enjoy. Are you suggesting Kongo vs Condit or Fitch? Either way……WOW!
Lesnar
Kenflo
hughes
couture
silva
liddell
faber
condit
now pick them KOuch
Jake Shields