Juanito Ibarra To Protest “Rampage’s” Unanimous Decision Loss
Quinton “Rampage” Jackson’s coach, Juanito Ibarra, plans to protest Jackson’s unanimous decision loss to Forrest Griffin at UFC 86 according to Sherdog.com:
“We got robbed,” Ibarra told Sherdog.com Sunday afternoon. “We won the majority of the fight.”
Judges Adalaide Byrd and Nelson Hamilton scored the bout 48-46 for Griffin, while Roy Silbert turned in a 49-46 tally for Griffin.
It’s extremely unlikely that a protest would change the outcome of the fight. Ibarra isn’t hopeful in that regard, but less than 24 hours after his fighter had lost in the UFC for the first time, the coach seemed determined to learn exactly how the fight was scored.
He was baffled that Byrd and Silbert gave Griffin a 10-9 advantage in the first round, during which Jackson dropped the challenger. In Ibarra’s view, the knockdown warranted a 10-8 round in Jackson’s favor. He believes Jackson won the third and fourth rounds on 10-9 scores, though he said Griffin deserved a 10-8 second round and a 10-9 fifth. That comes out to a 47-46 win for Jackson.
“You have to beat the champion,” Ibarra asserted more than once.
An immediate rematch between Griffin and Jackson may be on the horizon. According to Ibarra, Griffin agreed in the cage following the bout to fight “Rampage” again and UFC President Dana White and UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta have already been approached about an immediate rematch.
I think his efforts are rather futile but completely justifiable. The scoring was a disgrace, Rampage did win the majority of the fight INCLUDING ROUND 1 !!!
An immediate rematch is the only fair thing to do.
stupid as hell jaunito is just mad because he made a fool on him self disrespecting forest by saying if forest won he would retire that is so stupid to say i dont like quinton or his trainer but after the fight when quinton said forest beat his ass i thought that was cool to admit that now they are trying to protest it i think that might be one of the dumbest things i have ever heard to your loss like a man
here is how i scored it first round10-9 quinton secound round 10-9 forest could have been 10-8 third 10-9 forest fourth10-9 quinton and fifth no doubt 10-9 forest the closest round was the third but i dont see how people think quinton could have one it they landed about the same amount of punches but forest landed 20-25 kicks to quintons 0 one more thing juanito if a guy gets knocked down it dont make it a 10-8 round this isnt boxing
I love how everyone thinks Rampage “definitely won Round 1.” I re-watched the fight yesterday, and after watching it objectively, all Rampage did in that round was knock down Forrest. Everything else, Forrest matched and even outdid. Last I checked, this isn’t PRIDE. You don’t win the fight for what you do late in the rounds. You have to control the action (which Forrest did), you have to attempt submisions or improve your position on the ground (which Forrest did) and in the times when you have to survive, you HAVE to survive (which, again, Forrest did). Rampage wasn’t impressive at all. He clearly lost this fight, and there’s no arguing otherwise.
though i agree with him in that quinton did win the first round, pretty convincingly, i dont think it was dominating enough 2 b a 10-8 round, he did not dominate the round from bell to bell like forrest did the 2nd. i honestly thought quinton did win, or if nothing else it was a draw… i dont think he lost. i hope the ufc isnt goin down that road. i hope they dont think they need 2 get their popular fighters 2 the top because in the long run that will kill them.
but i totally agree with blane on the scoring.
round 1. 10-9 quinton
round 2. 10-8 forrest
round 3. 10-9 quinton
round 4. 10-9 quinton
round 5. 10-9 forrest
i would have called it a draw, leaving quinton the champ but forrest will still have that re-match
Well I think Forrest did a good job, but not good enough to win….sadly….if this was just a normal fight, no belt included…then I wouldnt be AS upset that they gave this to Forrest, and in a convincing fashion (1 judge saying Forrest only lost 1 round!!!)
But since it is for the belt…the champion should be defeated in a convincing fashion…its kind of like…tie goes to the runner…and in this case..when the fight is tough to call or is close….the decision should always go to the champ….im not a Forrest fan or a Rampage fan, I like both….I love seeing Forrest as a champ..bc of how hard he works and doesnt talk crap… but in my eyes…he lost this fight…the only round I saw him winning for sure was the 2nd..and possible the 5th…and the WORST I saw was this would have been a draw…with 3 10-9 rounds for Rampage, and a 10-8, 10-9 rounds for Forrest… but I dont think round 2 was a 10-8….yea he landed a devistating kick….and took him down.. but didnt do crap on the ground…just layed on him and tried a couple submissions…and strikes.. all were blocked (except maybe an elbow or 2)
Regardless…I love the class shown by Rampage… I would bet my house he doesnt believe what he is saying…that he lost….but I am glad he is coming out and saying Forrest won…I hate babies….and the right thing to do..is in Oct.. have a rematch (or maybe Sept…unless thats too soon)
i’m not gonna wathc the fight again, so can anyone tell me what round forrest had rampage in the triangle?
I have been watching every single UFC since they began. I do not agree how the fight was scored, but I do believe Forrest definitely won the fight. At worst he got the draw, but no way Quinton won that fight. I understand he is the champ and you have to beat the champ, I believe Forrest did that. He does not deserve an immdeiate rematch, he should have to beat one contender and then throw him right back in there against whomever is the champ at the time. I think Griffin should fight the winner of Lidell/Evans and the winner of that fights the winner of Rampage/Machida.
I was shocked when I heard this story! I didn’t think it was a bad call at all.
If Rampage would have won we would all be talking about how Forrest was robbed.
@Blane… puncuation is a blessing.
I hope there isn’t an immediate rematch. The decision is the decision, suck it up. If Rampage isn’t happy with it, he should’ve finished the fight. I thought Forest won and deserves to have the title without everyone ****ing about how Rampage was robbed.
Plus if Rampage did win, you’d have more people ****ing about Forest being robbed cuz he owned Rampage for the entire 2nd round, most of the 5th and the 3rd and 4th were arguable.
Decisions are part of the game, suck it up and quit crying. After Liddell murders Evans he should get the title shot with Rampage getting the winner after he fights another contender.
I also don’t get the comments about the UFC’s credibility being hurt by this. Are the judges on the UFC’s payroll? What do you want the UFC to do… reverse the decision and give the belt back to Rampage? How does that help their credibility?
The bottom line is that decisions are decisions. They’re subjective and either way they go… people will whine. If Rampage wanted to win the fight, he should’ve finished it.
I have it going to Forrest in this way…
Round 1 - 10-10, Page did get the knockdown but did not do any damage with it, and Forrest controlled the standup in that round completely, if you didn’t have that knockdown i’d have given the round to Forrest
Round 2 - Forrest 10-9, while not a 10-8 as some have it I had Forrest dominating.
Roudn 3 - Forrest 10-9, Page did nothing but defend the leg kick in this round with Forrest the constant aggressor. Page look sheepish and wouldn’t engage (leg kicks are a mo-fo)
Round 4 - Forrest 10-9, This round I gave to forrest because of the triangle attempt. Page’s slam was nothing to write home about and his takedown only came because Forrest tried to take him down and suckeat it. Even still Rampage didn’t do any real damage in Forrests guard and the triangle was the closet thing to ending that fight in that round.
Round 5 - Forrest 10-9, he just out pointed Page the whole round. Scorring when he wanted to and backing out. His corner knew he had it and both fighters where more tired, that gave forrest some advantage because Rampage had lost a little zing on his punches, Forrest was engaging in brawl style punches a little more in this round.
So there you have it.. i score the bout 50-46 Forrest.
Changing the decision and returning the belt to Rampage would be a terrible decision!
I dont think that would ever happen Curtis. Some people dont realize that leg kicks are just as dangerous as punches, people just want to see people get punched in the face. All Rampage did was land some punches(some solid) and he did not slam Forrest because Forrest realized it and released his guard. Forrest had some nice submission attempts, landed plenty of hard ass leg kicks, and nice punches. I dont agree with the 50-46 scoring, but he definitely won the fight and I m surprised people are even arguing this.
Round 1. Griffin stays active and out strikes Jacksons (they may not be harder than Jackson he was pressing the action) as well as mixing it up with the kicks. I believe Forest is winning the round until he eats the upcut. He does get knocked down but recovers to scramble up and finish the round.
(SIDEBAR QUESTION? If you dominate the round to get knocked down to get up and finish the round strong does the knockdown mandate you win the round?)
Round 2. Griffin dominates the ground with control over Jackson.
Round 3. Griffin continues to stay active.
Round 4. Jackson moves in aggressively and gets the better of Forest in those exchanges.
Round 5. Griffin stays active and Jackson only starts to engage in the last 45 seconds of the round.
So, even if you give the first round to Jackson for the knockdown I still have Forest winning the fight 3-2. What do you think?
so brandon…you think landing 2 devistating punches….when 1 of them knocks you down.. warrants a 10-10 round?!?! wow…ok…freedom of speech and thinking is a blessing I guess… in boxing…do you think if a boxer got knocked down, even to his knee and jumped back up the judges would say it is a 10-10 round?!?! no.. and yes..this in not boxing…but that doesnt mean the scoring is night and day different…rampage won that round easily….but to say it was a 10-8 round like his trainer said…thats a stretch.. but def a 10-9 for rampage..
If rampage got the decision…i wouldnt have complained that forrest got robbed….would have just said it was a good fight and that forrest impressed me and was close….but not quite good enough that night….bc in no way would i have said he got robbed….bc in my eyes, he didnt do enough to beat the champ…..but thats why every fighter says….dont let it go to the judges…
i agree with ryan in ny and tony m
WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FROM FORREST. DUDE COME ON YOUR SUPPOSED TO NOT LEAVE IT TO THE JUDGES. I THINK FORREST WON HANDS DOWN. FORREST WAS PUSHING THE ACTION THE WHOLE FIGHT… OCTAGON CONTROL… I HATE RAMPAGE FOR THE WAY HE AND HIS TRAINERS ARE ACTING… I LOVE IT THAT HE LOST. DIDN’T HE TELL FORREST HE’D BET HIS WHOLE PURSE ON THE FIGHT THAT THE FIGHT DIDN’T GO TO DECISION. I LOVE IT
I doubt they are going to give Rampage the immediate rematch though. They will probably want him to at least win one if not two other fights in order to get a title shot. But to be fair about it, I do think Rampage deserves the rematch but again, I don’t think he will get it.
I THINK THE FOLLOW SHOULD HAPPEN
FORREST—CHAMP
LIDDEL VS RASHAD— I THINK LIDDELL
LIDDELL VS FORREST— I THINK LIDDELL
RAMPAGE VS MACHIDA— I THINK RAMPAGE
RAMPAGE VS FORREST— “REMATCH” WINNER FIGHTING FOR THE BELT
WHAT DO YOU THINK
Everyone is saying if Rampage wanted to win the fight he should have finished it. Well, then why didn’t Forrest finish it? BECAUSE HE CANT. He is incapable of finishing Rampage I think. But that is beside the point. It is ignorant to say that Rampage should have finished the fight and not let it go to the judges, Forrest let it go to the judges and it worked out alright for him. Anyhow, the fight was 47-47. No questions.
forrest won, plain and simple, should be no controversy
and I thought rampages manager said he was going to retire if rampage lost
I like it minus the Rampage versus Forrest part. I think if Rampage beats a guy like Machida he deserves to get a title shot right away. It is not like this guy got lucky and won a title, he beat Liddell and Henderson back to back, there are not many that could do that. I love Forrest and believe he won that fight, but I think if there were a rematch I would have to bet on Rampage. There are too many deserving fighters waiting in line for a title shot to be giving rematches right away, but I think Rampage should get one fight and get a shot again. Liddell may have if he got past Jardine, definitely would have gotten it right away if he wasn’t 0-2 against Rampage.
its justifiable and its not that the belt should be turned over just that unanimous does not seem to fit with that fight its was back and forth the hole match griffen still won but he did not dominant jackson.. but yeah i would like to see how the judges where soring that fight.
I agree with Segablack, should not have been unanimous. Either way, it was an awesome fight and there are going to be some doozies coming up in that division. I cant wait!
In the back of my mind I was hoping this would die down after I posted about it yesterday. I guess cooler heads didn’t prevail.
FOR REAL COME ON AND JUST LET IT GO. SH1T HAPPENS AND FORGET ABOUT IT. THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE
We are talking about it guys, relax. If you dont like it, dont read it.
I think Juanito Ibarra should protest his stupidity for saying he would retire if Rampage lost (WHICH HE DID! NO CONTROVERSY WHAT SO EVER!!!) Trainers should train not try to hype fights and add more pressure to their fighter.
Ibarra’s credibility stock just plummeted…
What a joke
Get off of Juanito for what he says. People say stuff for shock value and say things they dont even mean in the heat of the moment. Calm down. The whole “I will retire” thing has been said hundreds of times. It happened just recently with Dante Rivera and Matthew Riddle. People talk crap. Let it go.
I do agree that you have to ” beat ” the champion and I was very disappointed that Rampage lost like that. I did think it was a lot closer.
But the judges saw something, Forrest might have simply been more active.
I never feel bad or question decisions, fighters should avoid using the judges or deal with what they decide.
It does open up very interesting match ups for Rampage though …..maybe he can try to avenge the losses to Shogun or Wand …………
These judges should be fire for ineptitude. I saw jackson winning it handily:
round 1. 10-8 quinton by vicious knockdown
round 2. 10-9 forrest but unable to hurt jackson from mount
round 3. 10-9 quinton easily with power strikes
round 4. 10-9 quinton more knockdowns and griffen cut
round 5. 10-9 quinton landed better power blows
Cooler heads referred to Juanito…Free Speech is beautiful…
PD,
You had Rampage winning a boxing match not an MMA Fight.
PD(Rampage Fan),
Vicious knockdown, c’mon. Griffin almost took his leg off round 2, 10-8! Also, Griffin gets cut every fight, who cares?
I like both guys, fight was close. Got to respect both of them.
It should have been a split decision at least.
Well we will have to wait until next year to find out Rampage had some damage and he will be out until January 2, 2009.
Yeah I think the January 2nd return to fighting speaks enough about Forest’s win plus I think it squashes the idea of an immediate rematch (thank god).
PD
HOW THE HELL IS RND 1 A 10-8 ROUND. WHEN FORREST WAS WINNING THE ROUND TILL THAT AND HOW IS RND 2 NOT A 10-8 ROUND IN YOUR BOOK WHEN RAMPAGES WAS LITTERLY GETING HANDLED… YOUR FULL OF IT MAN LOL
BUT I AM SHOCKED IT WASN’T A SPLIT I THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE AT LEAST BEEN A SPLIT. BUT ALL PROPS TO FORREST. SOAK IT ALL UP FORREST YOU DESERVE MAN… CONGRATS
Forrest caused more damage and won on the scorecards. Period. Get over it.
regardless of how long rampage is out compared to forrest…it still was close….i still think rampage won…but its like arguing balls and strikes…the ump wont change his mind…as these judges wont change theirs….i guess we just move on….maybe forrest will be a champ for awhile…maybe he will lose on his 1st defense.. who knows…. I think the following will happen
Liddell over Rashad
Liddell vs Forrest in Dec (depending on how fresh or bad Liddell is after the Rashad fight)
Rampage vs Wanderli - winner vs the winner of Liddell/Forrest vs Machida….
So to make it easy, I think it will be Rampage vs Machida for the belt…yes, I think Machida will have the belt by the time Rampage gets another shot…I think its a toss up for Forrest/Liddell.. I can see either one winning, but I dont see either one beating Machida… and honestly, I dont see Rampage beating Machida either….we will see…I’ve been wrong before…
Jason
I can see that playing out but instead of having machida wait for that long I see him having a fight between then.
Give Forrest the glory fight(Easy opponent) and lets see a war for the title Superbowl weekend 09.That gives enough time for the division to balance out.
MOST PEOPLE BLOGGING ON THIS WEBSITE WERE ALL SAYIN RAMPAGE WAS GONNA KILL FORREST. I WAS ALWAYS FOR GRIFFIN NEVER COUNTING HIM OUT AND YET STILL ALOT OF YOU ARE THINKING HE WON’T KEEP IT. MAN THIS GUY IS A STUD. NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES HE NEVER GETS RESPECT. I DON’T SEE MACHIDA EVER HAVING THE BELT. HONESTLY I SEE LIDDEL AND WANDY FIGHTING FOR IT MORE THEN RAMPAGE AND MACHIDA…
All this crap is rediculous! Forrest beat ramage fair and square! Forrest controlled and pushed the entire fight! Even though forrest got cut he did more damage to rampage. Rampage even admitted he got beat. Whoever thinks rampage should have won this fight should review how mma fights are scored.
WELL SAID JEREMY THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING. BUT IT’LL NEVER STOP BRO… THEY JUST NEED TO GET OVER IT.
yea I still dont see how people are saying that Rampage won. I am a Rampage fan and was not surprised at the deceision at all.
thank u jermey. FORREST WON THE ****ING FIGHT!
*Jeremy
I WONDER IF YOU PAYED UP TO FORREST… ON TUF HE BET HIS WHOLE PURSE ON IT… LOL I DONT SEE WHY PEOPLE SAY HES SO GOOD WHEN I WAS NOT IMPRESSED AT ALL. HE SHOWED NO GROUND SKILLS… FORREST HAS WAY MORE TALENT….
AGREE?
For all you guys that still think Rampage one, check out the compustrike stats here: http://www.mmanews.com/ufc/Compustrike-Stats-For-UFC-86:-Jackson-vs.-Griffin.html
Griffin clearly outworked Rampage. Everyone has seen a judges call that they didn’t agree with (Hammill vs Bisping etc….) but the bottom line is when you leave it in the hands of the judges that is the chance you take. Juanito challenging the decision is only going to make him and Rampage look bad.
sorry “won”
You cant win a fight by being a counter striker for five rounds, showing no ground game, and not pushing any action. Forrest won the fight. No question. Let him enjoy his moment. I’m still hoping T.Silva and Machida battle it out to see who’s more of a challenger to W.Silva and Liddel. Can’t wait for the next ppv!
juanito is just mad b/c he looked like an idiot. i like rampage but forrest won that fight. now rampage needs to get back in line and fight a couple of top middle to top tier guys to get another shot just like everyone else does!
if chuck is supposedly the face of the sport and he has to fight rashad evans, why should rampage be treated any different?
MACHIDA WILL BEAT FORREST OR RAMPAGE SO NO MATTER WHO GETS THE TITLE THE BELT WILL SOON BE AROUND THE WAIST OF “THE DRAGON”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kelvin….
This is why. Because Chuck got KNOCKED OUT! Rampage lost a close, somewhat controversial decision.
I actually scored it a draw — wouldn’t that have sucked.
R1 — Jackson
R2 — Griffin (10-8)
R3 — Jackson
R4 — Jackson
R5 — Griffin
47-47; Round 3 could’ve gone either way though based on Griffin pressing the action or Jackson’s fewer, but heavier shots, causing more damage. I went with damage.
Machida will be the next champion…mark my words..and unlike some people on here…when im right…i wont continue to gloat about it… but when i am wrong, i, like rampage, own up to it… I picked Rampage in a KO within 4 min of round 1… and ironic thing was, when he knocked forrest down…it was 4 min into the fight…too bad he couldnt have done more in the mount…well regardless….I forgot about Thiago Silva..he is dangerous as well….he as well as Machida deserve a title shot before Liddell and Wandy… IF rashad beats Liddell then he should be next… but if Liddell wins, then Forrest should either fight Machida…OR the winner of Machida / Thiago Silva…both are undefeated, both have wins over big, or semi big..names in the UFC…
All I know is that this weight class is STACKED.. and to think, they might add Brian Stann and Doug Marshall to it!! Not saying they will be title contenders…but they will make for interesting and exciting fights!!
I would for sure like to Machida vs Thiago Silva but the thing is if Machida wins should he get the title shot? I would say yes but if Thiago wins I still would have the feeling that he needed to beat another contender for some reason does anybody agree?
damn, I comment, then go to work for 4 hours come home for lunch and there are 62 posts already! sheesh!
Jason -
In regards to my 10-10 round for R1 it is because the ONLY reason Rampage got any points in that round was for the knockdown. This isn’t boxing, at all, a knockdown is enough to give a fighter the round if he does something following it up. If he would have hit Forrest and knocked him down and stood there waiting for Forrest to get back up and Forrest did and continued to control the standup like he did it would still be looked at as an even round. Rampage knocked him down, got on top and Forrest controlled him in the guard stood back up and continued to control the standup game. Without that knockdown it’s a 10-9 round for Griffon, how can you say then with a knockdown that didn’t follow up with ANY damaging attacks or round altering damage that it goes to 10-9 or worse for Jacksons favor. Even in boxing with a knockdown if the person comes back to start dominating the other opponent it’s deemed a draw. That round had nothing special from either guy to merrit a 1 sided round. Forrest controlled 4 minutes of the round and rampage knocked him down, thats pretty even
retire already jaunito your acting like a baby forest won get over dont get made because you look like an idiot
everyine needs to get over it…. Forrest won the fight and……. this is why youdont let it go to the judges
the reason I say it was 10-9 rampage was bc he drilled him once that forrest didnt drop but staggerd a bit..this was right before rampage slipped….then they went back and forth a bit then he dropped forrest with a shot…got on top…drug him to the fence…to me..that was a win for rampage..he did more damage that round…
but who cares…im done debating….i disagree with the ruling…but the results will be the same…just like i think OJ killed his wife… he is still golfing…looking for the real killers… 1 golf course, and memorbillia place at a time….
life goes on..
This 1st round controversey is ridiculous! Watch the f-n fight. Ibarra should know better than to say/think one punch/knockdown wins a round. That is so f-n stupid. If Ibarra wants to act like Don King he should move to the world of boxing. I cannot help but wonder if Ibarra watched the match on tape afterwards. Being it is his job I would assume he did but it sure doesn’t seem like he did. I watched it over and over. In the 1st rd Forrest connected more strikes, pushed the pace and escaped from his back with Rampage on top of him. Rampage only controlled the the first round at the end for about 45-47seconds after ONE punch that lead to a knockdown not a knockOUT. Rampage did nothing while on the ground in the first. How the F did rampage win the first round with ONE punch? **** this is irritating. F Ibarra sore ass loser POS Don King wanna be. I like Rampage but Ibarra should worry about Rampage’s training and next match.
by the way chuck defended his belt 4 times and didnt get a rematch its not like quinton beat his ass he just caught him 4 title defenses to 1 quinton dont deserve a rematch without getting a win or two
a knockdown doesnt warrant a 10-8 you only get that when you dominate beyond a shadow of a doubt and if he let himself be robbed you finish the fight to win not ride out a decision rampage even said he got hurt in the seocond round and he is suspended till jan 2 that is a long damn time so forrest did more damage!!!! obviously forrest worked him game and won i dont see the controvery and it doesnt say in the rule book that you have to finish your opponet to win the belt he won a unianimous not a split so i believe he should get back to the gym and work and then make another run in a year or so meanwhile i would like to see forrest again in 3 months get a title defense before rampage comes back into the mix.
and rampage coach needs to train his fighter in the art of finishing…..
It was a good, tough match between Forrest and Rampage. I understand both sides of the coin, but, agreed with Rydawg, it should’ve been a split.
Absolutely no way is White intending on giving a re-match anytime soon. Liddell will probably get the next shot after smoking the overrated Evans.
It’s hard to speculate on Machida. Does he deserve a title shot? Maybe. What ratings will that produce though? He is a great fighter, but most of his wins aren’t action-packed (see Rashad Evans, minus the KO on Salmon). I don’t think White will market Griffin vs. Machida before this year. White’ll try to end the year with a bang with a more recoginable foe.
I like T. Silva, and he’s going to be a contender soon, but same with Machida, there’s no marketing strategy. Give Thaigo a couple respected opponents and, maybe next year if he continues on pace.
In sum, I see Liddell vs. Griffin at the end of 2008. Huge marketing campaign that will rain cash on Dana and his boys. Griffin, the man that put UFC back on the map versus the most notorious name in MMA: Chuck Liddell. I don’t think it’s a dream matchup by any means, but this will boost the UFC popularity and sales dollars more than any matchup you could dream.
Anyone disagree?
This is how I see it
1st round 10-9 Jackson
2nd Round 10-9 (10-8) Griffin
3rd round 10-9 Jackson (close round)
4th round 10-9 Jackson
5th round 10-9 Griffin (close round)
in the end 48-46 Jackson or 47-47 draw and Jackson keeps the title.
The 2nd round should not have been 10-8 Griffin because he did not do enough ground and pound to do damage, no cuts or swelling.
The only reason Griffin is the chamo is because he is the ufc poster boy plain and simple he didn’t even deserve the title he needed one more fight after Rua to show his stuff Rua was overated. Griffin showed he was good though my hat off to him.
I do think that Rampage should get a reamtch but he will not get one until he fights a top contender maybe a rematch with Wanderlei Silva, but the only way Dana WHite will give him a instant title shot is if enough people compain that he has no choice.
I would like to see Rampage vs. Thiago Silva!!!! At least we know it would be really entertaining.
This is not boxing. a knock down dont give a 10-8 round to a fighter. rampage just knock down forrest but forrest did land many strikes.
I gave first round 10-9 to forrest.
matt hamill got screwed over in a fight he clearly won and what did he do…congratulate the gay count. i’m not trying to say rampage should’ve won, i’m saying he should be a man and get back in line. there are a lot of other top tier fighters at 205. i like rampage, but i’m tired of fighters thinking they deserve more just because of their name.
hey kelvin….watch the post fight comments…. rampage said he got beat…congratulated forrest… its his trainers who are complaining.. not rampage
yeah jaunito is just ****ing becuz he realized he said he was gonna retire, and he’s trying to make up an excuse for the lie he told
ok, so round 1 is totally debatalble, but how is everyone giving Page round 3?!?!? ALL he did that entire round was defend the leg kick, And he was back peddling the entire time. Forrest was the aggressor of that round the whole 5 minutes. Rampage would throw a 3 punch combo and reset and forrest would do the rest of the work, Rampage may hit really hard but that doesn’t do crap for you when you don’t land flush and Forrest blocked all those punches.
Round 4 is also totally debatable because of the triangle.. I’m glad some of yall aren’t judges because you’d have jujitsu wizards losing every fight because they went for sub attempt after sub attempt but that isn’t as equal as someone throwing a few hard punches that don’t even phase the other guy
i agree brandon if they land about the same amount of punches in round 3 but forest lands 20-25 leg kicks how is that not his round
Brandon,
RD 1 is not debateable. I’m tired of typing my PROOF over and over so I’ll leave it at this. Forrest won rd 1. I promise. KOuch is now retiring from this debate
Jason N.
rampage isn’t innocent in the whole thing. watch him in the locker room immediately after the fight on ufc.com…he thought he won the fight by decision. if he truly conceded that forrest won the fight, he would tell juanito to back off b/c he’d realize it would only make him look worse, even if it isn’t HIM directly protesting it!
who cares what rampage or his trainer thinks it dont suprise me they would act like this forest won everybody needs to get over it
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING KELVIN
Erizzich,
I think your right on the money w/ your prediction.
You guys stupid? Griffin won hands down. Im assuming yall didnt watch the fight? Rampage even admitted he lost. RAMPAGE KNEW IT. How can you guys say Rampage won when even rampage knew he lost. Haha…You guys cant score worth sh*t. I admit it was a close fight, but Griffin did have it. Just because yall aint a fan of Griffin doesnt mean you cant say he won. I’m a fan of neither but I could tell how they said Griffin won. Get your facts straight before you guys start crying.
Oh By the way, Yes they should have a rematch…BUT NOT IMMIDATLEY(i messed that word up)…Rampage lost…now he needs to start on the BOTTOM of the totem pole…He cant just jump right back to the top.
Dustin, at the BOTTOM of the pole?! You don’t make a recent champ go back to Ultimate Fight Nights. He’ll fight one, MAYBE two and with wins he’ll be back. But you also gotta believe that Dana is gonna do what the fans want. It also is dependent on whether Chuck isn’t suspended at all after he beats Rashad.
The following is provided courtesy of Compustrike.com:
Inside the Numbers: Griffin was clearly the busier fighter overall, throwing 268 more total strikes than Jackson. Jackson was more efficient (and landed the harder shots), landing 49% of his total strikes to 33% for Griffin. Jackson had a 67-48 edge in arm strikes landed, 64 of which were power strikes to 47 for Griffin.
Griffin had the advantage in the ground game. He had a 46-14 edge in ground strikes landed, bolstered by a 44-0 edge in round two. In fact, Jackson did not land a single strike the entire five minutes after absorbing a numbing leg kick two minutes into the round. Griffin also had four submission attempts and registered two dominant positions.
Griffin’s huge round two was the difference in the fight.
People forget how the scoring works in the UFC it would seem.
You get points awarded for the following.
- Octagon Control
- Pressuring your Opponent
- Submission Attempts
Forrest had Rampage’s number in all of the above. Yes Rampage had a few very good hits and a couple knockdowns, but he didn’t do near enough damage in his standup to make up for the points scored by Griffin over all. Not to mention the work Forrest did to his leg (medical suspension till Jan 09)
At best Rampage could have been given a 47 to 47 draw, with rounds 1, 3 and 4 going to Quinton and rounds 2 (10/8) and 5 going to Forrest.
All the Rampage fans need to suck it up, he lost. I am a fan of both fighters, and this is clear as day. It all came down to that last round, and Forrest had the heart of a warrior and a champ. Rampage did not.
Sniper,
I agree if Rampage can get through two contenders then I believe he will get another shot…but the question is who will have the belt?
WELL I THINK CHUCK WILL FIGHT FORREST FOR IT AND I THINK CHUCK WILL WIN.
IF SO DO YOU THINK THEY’LL HAVE A RAMPAGE VS CHUCK OR RAMPAGE VS FORREST AND WHO WINS WILL GET THERE REMATCH FOR THE BELT
Rydawg, unfortunately it’s looking like Machida might get the next shot according to some. If it were up to me, Machida would fight Anderson Silva after he steamroles Irvin. And the winner would get the next title shot. Because when it comes down to it, anyone at 205 with a shot at the title has a loss in his last three boutes with the exception of those two.
YZFOXRACING, I’d rather see a Rampage/Forrest II IF Chuck beats Forest IF he gets the next title shot. Another interesting matchup would be Wanderlie/Forrest. I’d rather see that before another Wanderlie/Rampage.
YEAH I WANNA SEE WANDY/RAMPAGE… BUT WHY WOULD ANDERSON GET THE THAT CLOSE TO A TITLE SHOT SO QUICK.
That’s what happened at 185 with him. He killed Chris Leben then got Franklin. Granted, the middleweight division is A LOT weaker than 205, but he’s more than proven himself now compared to when he first came to the UFC. With him telling Dana he wants to fight three or four more times in ‘08, I wouldn’t past Dana at all to move him to the front of the line. At the end of the day Dana is gonna do what the fans want so he makes money. Whether it’s Anderson getting a title shot or a Rampage/Griffin II, I think depends on how the timeline lays out for the New Years Eve show. He always tries to make that a big one.
I could see Rampage vs. Wanderlei to fight the winner of Griffin vs. Liddell.
Where does the peanut brittle Shogun fit in? Guy’s a monster if he can stay healthy.
SNIPER,
I didn’t even think of a Machida vs A. Silva that would be interesting indeed.
If the UFC were smart, WHEN Shogun gets healthy, I’d give him an easier opponent but one that still has a name. Let him get his feet wet and get some wins in the cage. Maybe Jardine or Sakarra.
Rydawg,
It’d be perfect. Send in an agressive, smart fight like Anderson against a guy who, some say, does nothing but run in circles for three rounds, might get a lucky knee, and then lays on top of his opponents. Anderson would force him to fight.
Machida vs A. Silva would be a fantastic fight. Both guys are amazing in the striking, Anderson is very aggresive and has fight ending power, Machida does not display the same power but is elusive as hell. That would be an amazing fight IMO
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Anderson Silva and Lyoto “the dragonfly” machida are friends and they probably wouldn’t fight each other. I wish they would do this though because I would be routing for Silva to put a knee right through the back of machida’s head!
I know they used to train with each other, not sure if they still do. But I don’t see Silva turning down a fight.
If this is any indicator 100+ posts bodes well for a rematch…
Dietrich,
I know I’m looking forward towards a rematch whether there is a title on the line or not…and yeah this story invoked alot of people to have some good MMA conversations.
Sounds like you’re picking favorites Confucius. Which is fine, everyone can be a fan. But where in any sport does it say you have to “beat the champ.” A lot of people say you it has to be a “convincing win.” A unanimous decision is pretty convincing. This point about beating a champion decisively is very unfair to challengers. Would it have been fair for the NFL to say that, while the New York Giants scored more points than the Patriots in the Super Bowl, because it wasn’t a decisive win and the Pats went in undefeated, they get to take home the Lombardi Trophy? Of course not. And that’s how it is in boxing and mixed martial arts, as well. The judges score each round the same as they do non-title fights. At the end, they add the cards and the person with the most points wins.
New Age Confucius,
Rd 3 yes. Evrything else NO! Just NO! WRONG NO! NO NO NO NO NO! OK? NO!
Alright, guess there’s no convincing a Rampage fan.
Dude Rampage did NOTHING notible in round 3. He was back peddling the entire round avoiding the leg kick. He would throw a minimal of punches at Forrest and he NEVER put forrest in any danger in that round, but Forrest had him running the whole round
I’m telling you Rampage didn’t win a single round.
Rydawg,
I think Dana should hold this fight on UFC on Demand for a long time cause it doesn’t look like either camp is going to agree.
here we go…
anderson silva vs. james irvin, then…rampage vs. thiago silva
if the spider and rampage win, then…
anderson silva vs. wanderlei silva…then rampage vs. shogun
if the spider and rampage win, then…
ANDERSON SILVA VS. RAMPAGE, winner gets a title shot!!! what do you gus think??
CONFUCIUS:
IM TIRED OF ALL THESE RAMPAGE FAN HATING ON FORREST SAYING HES THE POSTER BOY AND ALL THAT CRAP. SAYING RAMPAGE WON I MEAN COME ON MAN. ALL RAMPAGE DID IN RND 1 WAS KNOCKED HIM DOWN WICH WERE HE DIDN’T CAPITALIZE AND WERE MOST FIGHTERS WOULD HAVE FINISHED IT. FORRESST WAS PUSHING THAT WHOLE RND. OCTAGON CONTROL IS ONE OF THE KEYS IN JUDGING A RND. AND YOU CAN’T SAY FORREST DIDN’T CONTROL THE “WHOLE” FIGHT MAN. JUST GIVE HIM HIS RESPECT MAN THERE IS NOTHING YOU OR ANY OF THE OTHER RAMPAGE FANS CAN DO… GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON AND WATCH HIM CLIMB THE LADDER. CUZ HE AIN’T GETTING THE TITLE SHOT RIGHT AWAY…
Confucius,
Are you serious with all this B.S.? I’ll give it to rampage, he kept fighting after getting injured, and definitely tried to finish the fight. But he didnt, and Forrest beat him fair and square. He did not deserve a unanimous decision, but he won and that’s that. He doesn’t deserve an immediate rematch either, get over it.
does anyone care how i scored the Forrest vs Rampage fight? i i don’t give a sh*t what you scored it!!! in 25 min rapage didn’t knock him out or sumit him!!! it is over let it go no one cares and your opinions sure as sh*t aint gunna change nothing
I know it’s never going to happen, but I would rather see Anderson Silva vs. GSP or BJ Penn (welter or catch-weight) before any light heavyweights.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be looking forward to any fight Anderson Silva takes.
If you’ve heard it once, you’ve heard it a thousand times. Never leave it in the judges hands. Personally, I thought it was a very entertaining fight. It was too damn close for it to be judged without some sort of controversy. I wanted Forrest to win but I wouldn’t have been mad if Quinton remained champ. A rematch isn’t going to stop the controversy either. Now, I would like to see a Forrest vs. Chuck fight.
About Anderson Silva fighting in the 205 division. I hear people talking about him getting a 205 title shot BEFORE he ever fights in the 205. Don’t over look James Irvin. He is no joke. Even if he gets past Irvin, he has quite a mountain to climb before he gets that title shot. Regardless, it is going to be fun to see all of these people who think Anderson can’t be beat eating a whole lotta crow when Irvin knocks him out. No one has tested Anderson’s chin and I think Irvin is going to give it a pop quiz.
I HOPE YOUR RIGHT KOWS666…
AND FOR THE CHUCK/FORREST FIGHT WOULD BE AWESOME… IM ALL FOR THAT ONE
Here is a fight I would like to see. Rampage vs. Ortiz. I would love to see Rampage kick that has-been’s crack in. It would be a possible fight. Both are coming off of losses. The controversy of the Ortiz/Griffin and the Rampage/Griffin fight would be a great back story for that fight as well. Maybe make Griffin the guest referee (I am kidding about that last part).
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A GRIFFIN/ORTIZ FIGHT NOW THAT YOU SAY THAT… ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN AS LONG AS GRIFFIN AS THE BELT OF COURSE…
just to fill you guys in, i’m almost 100% positive ortiz is done with the UFC. his last fight with machida was the last one on his contract and he has already stated he wants nothing more to do with dana white or the UFC. i say…good ridaance!
Tito is in talks with EliteXC right now to fight Frank Shamrock. And mmamania.com is reporting that A. Silva isn’t looking at the 205 belt. He only went up b/c the UFC asked him to. He doesn’t want to fight for the 205 belt because friend and training partner Machida considers it his belt. And anyone who thinks Irvin is gonna win obviously hasn’t watched too many Silva or Irvin fights from the past.
The Sandman is in for a dose of his own medicine…it’s gonna be sleepy time for Irvin.
It doesn’t look good for Irvin but at least he is a little more ready than Leben was to greet him at 185.
YOU GUYS NEED TO WATCH MMALIVE ON ESPN.COM… JUANITO IS REALLY HURT THEY LOST MAN… COME ON GET OVER IT…
Ibarra is acting like HE was the one in there getting his a$$ handed to him…he needs to shut his trap and get Rampage ready to make a title run, that’s what I’d be worried about if I was him.
Best case scenario is for a Rampage/Forrest rematch in October. That’s a lot better of a main event than Leben/Bisbing, plus it’d be free. Then the winner can get Chuck on New Year’s Eve after he man-handles Rashad.
No way that rematch will ever be free…
Dietrich,
Couldn’t agree more, there was more hype AFTER the fight than there was before so there is no way in hell the UFC would let the rematch be free…Dana’s no fool when it comes to making money that’s for sure.
I said best case, not most likely…
I THINK IT COULD BE FREE… LOOK AT ORTIZ/SHAMROCK… IT COULD BE PART OF THE DEAL
I think Shamrock Ortiz was more along the lines of getting rid of Ken then giving the fans closure.
Sniper,
I got you and anything is possible I just think its too hot.Free is usually a loss leader and this wouldn’t be the case.
It is pretty hot, but do you seem them making them wait until Nov. or Dec? Also, which would make more money, a Rampage/Forrest rematch, or the winner fighting Chuck on New Year’s? Of course, this is all assuming that aren’t too much onto Machida’s nuts and give him the next title shot.
I think the next title fight will be New Years Eve or Super Bowl weekend as those are the best paydays on the calendar. Forrest will be in full promo tour mode and Rampage will be healing up and provided he’s not made into highlight material for Chuck (which I doubt) Rashad will be getting a big push after Atlanta. Penn’s challenges at LWt and the welter weights will more than keep things busy plus you have two more Anderson fights this year after 7/19. And there is talk of WEC going PPV.
WEC going PPV is ridiculous: not enough names to make the cash, nor will they.
The only real competition to UFC is Affliction, and they are marketing the 19th very well; Don Trump knows how to market the event; almost vehemently towards Dana and the UFC.
Question to the pollers: Who will win July 19? Dana or Donald? Freebie or PPV? Viewership-wise Spike should take it, however, Affliction might, might be, the most talked about event in MMA history. Watch ESPN the next on the 20th.
I’m torn over what to do July 19 (I don’t have DVR/TiVo), but I like that it gives Dana something to think about. Does anyone remember the “UFC: Stacked” from last year? I remember Dana White saying he was going to hold two “stacked” cards per year; he hasn’t. With the saturated light heavyweight and lightweight talent, there’s legitimate question that White is holding some thunder.
White vs. Trump.
Dana, play your cards out while you have them.
Who wins Dana or Trump?
I bet my odds Trump will win if Dana continues to supress the fighters and their salaries. Dana clearly has the depth in fighters. He does, with the exception of heavyweights; Trump took them. If Dana’s not careful, Trump will take all of them (and make them richer).
Advice to Dana: stack (highlight) your cards with something better than Liddell vs. Evans. Quit wasting talent. Who’s the undercard? Does it matter? With the talent you have, you should be holding a title fight every PPV you hold; if not (i.e., Hughes vs. Alves card), put it on Spike.
(I thought I would never turn down an A. Silva fight, but the Affliction card, albeit PPV, might trump UFC freebie for MMA fanatics).
Word ‘em up.
What’s your take fanatics?
An idea to Dana: Wednesday, January 1, UFC: “Hangover.” PPV will be $50.
Hughes vs. Serra.
Highlight that.
WEC PPV not my choice its Dana’s…That is the rumor. I used to think there wasn’t enough interest in the smaller weights than I saw Faber and Torres showcase their divisions. Those two and others like them taking on challenges from around the world will put Zuffa ahead of the NFL in revenue one day.
You can say Rampage was robbed, you can say Forrest had a great fight and did what he had to do to win. You can say the judges were wrong, you can say the judges were right. Bottom line, it don’t make a damn difference what you say or think. Forrest has the belt, Forrest is champ. Forrest will have this belt until he in turn gets beat. At which point it may go to a decision and the same ppl complaining here will be back, yet again, complaining he in turn was robbed this time.
Basically, it like this. Everyone of you and me has a picked fight favorite. If that fighter does a little less than the other fighter, you see it as a win for your guy. Why? cause you see what you want to see. Most of ya only watched this fight once, and took it for what you perceived it as at first glance. I have went over this fight numerous times, Forrest BEAT the champ. If ya say that the challenger has to beat the cahmp to be the champ, well guess what, he beat the champ.
You can watch it again if ya want, see it for what ya want to see it as. Call the ufc fixed. Although having a farm boy as your champ isn’t any better for business than having a savage brawler as your champ in my opinion. So no that doesn’t make sense. Even if they are wanted to bring some credibility to the Ultimate Fighter it doesn’t make sense to risk viewers over it. Not when it could be painfully obvious if things went wrong.
Conspiracy!! Fixed for the money!!! scream em if ya want. Bottom line once again, It don’t make a damn what ya think. Forrest is champ…