Tim Sylvia May Leave The UFC
In another chapter to the saga that is the UFC’s salary structure, Tim Sylvia posted some news on his forum regarding his contract situation, Brock Lesnar’s pay, and what he may do in the future:
“i have one fight left on my contract i want to stay with the ufc but i am going to go were the money is right now Brock is making more m0ney then me that has to change i have a better name then him and i am a better fighter then him, i case u didn’t know my manager runs m1 so i have a pretty good in so we will see what happens in the next few months.”
There are a couple of things that are intriguing about this quote and bring up some issues for the UFC. First and foremost, their salaries are coming under fire from another big name heavyweight. Lesnar is making substantially more money than Sylvia, but he’s also a much bigger draw in terms of getting fans to crossover from wrestling to MMA. Sylvia, however, has the bigger name in MMA and the record to back it up.
Secondly, does the UFC even want to keep Tim Sylvia around? Sure, he’s been successful, but at what price are they willing to pay a relatively boring fighter who really isn’t as exciting as he used to be?
These are both issues that have come up in regards to other fighters, but the bigger issue is that of the salary structure. Obviously, Sylvia won’t make $250,000 a fight like Lesnar for fighting in the same manner that he currently is using in the cage. Dana White certainly wants him to push the pace more and finish bigger names. Sylvia is going to most likely want more money, a large amount more for his status in the heavyweight division. The UFC won’t want to give it to him. Get ready for some heated quotes in the future.
Sylvia also doesn’t have the drawing power of nearly any of the big names at the top of the division. Lesnar is getting paid for his drawing power. Couture draws buys, but Sylvia, Nogueira, Mir, and other heavyweights don’t produce big numbers. Matching up Mir vs. Sylvia or other potential rivalry matchups may solve that problem, but it won’t produce the numbers that we could expect from fighters like Liddell or Couture.
The UFC is basing their pay not just on record and that’s where Sylvia’s thinking is flawed. The bigger paydays rely on drawing power, performance, excitement, and the abilities to get fans excited about seeing a fight. Sylvia has next to none of those abilities.
An exodus?
With those factors being the basis for pay in the UFC, we could begin to see some higher skilled fighters move away from the UFC. Lesnar making such big money for producing bigger PPV numbers could leave other fighters wanting more. Arlovski’s situation may be the epitome of that problem. Crocop is also a mystery, Couture is done with the UFC, and Fedor is in M-1, it’s definitely a possibility that more Heavyweights from the UFC will move elsewhere.
That possibility can also send the UFC into a spending spree as well. They may end up throwing more money at heavyweights in order to keep them in the UFC.
One thing is for certain, Sylvia is definitely thinking about leaving, but Dana will have to throw some more money at him even though he hasn’t been particularly exciting in any of his last few fights. Will Dana strive to keep him? We think so, but other organizations may have more lucrative deals to offer.
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Wow, he even spells like a rock troll…
Tim sylvia is cocky the only way to get him to fight like how he used to fight would be to scare him with a fighter i say Brock Lesnar vs Tim Sylvia should be a fight to get him back on track or to finsh him for good!!! Brock showed a good preformancse tell getting submitted.
I say give him his walking papers. What does Silvia think he’s going to go to M1 to fight Fedor?? HA HA! The UFC will be better with out Tim “The Sloth” Silvia.
This quote sums it up perfectly:
“Sylvia also doesn’t have the drawing power of nearly any of the big names at the top of the division. Lesnar is getting paid for his drawing power.”
It’s business – simple as that. I HATE Chris Leben, but I’ve never once NOT wanted to see him fight. It’s all about excitement and action, win or lose. Sylvia is just a boring fighter. It’s nothing personal. If people won’t pay the UFC to watch him fight, how can the UFC pay him more?
He’s got points but GOOD RIDDANCE!!
“What does Silvia think he’s going to go to M1 to fight Fedor?”
I’d give a limb to see that ass beating. Seriously, they’d have to take him out in a stretcher. Anyway, does WEC have a heavy division? I don’t think they do, but if they did that’s where he should be.
Okay, this has caused to me to re-think Randy Couture’s issue. Where is the respect given to the long term “we’ve put in out time” fighters with real records? Granted, Randy’s last fight got him a much higher pay day than Lesnar – so Couture may not be the guy to complain – but a valid point nontheless. Tim “The Goober” Sylvia may not be the most exciting, but his fight was MORE SUBSTANTIAL to the standings of the UFC than Lesnar’s.
Do you think a watered down UFC with weak fighters will continue to draw fans? Not this one. I would rather see two skilled fighters in the octogon than an entire parade of wanna-be’s.
My advice to Dana White – don’t get caught taking all the profits and investing in expansion or even lining the pockets of the bigwigs at the expense of your base. Re-invest the profits in the fighters you have.
If MMA is the best thing out there and it is better than boxing and all the other sports – then it is time to start paying the guys who do the work.
Oh, and to Sylvia’s leaving . . . bye.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again as much as they paid Lesnar, which his name and the amount of coverage the fight got deserved, they still have to up the pay scale for other fighters. The UFC is being perceived as paying fighters inequitably and true or not the longer it goes on the more perception will become reality. If the UFC had some sort of standardized base pay for fights based on the card it would help to fight this perception. What I mean is that a PPV main event has a set rate + a win bonus that could be altered if the fighters are drawing an unusual amount of interest, lowered if they are not drawing much interest. A fight night main event would have a different rate as the revenues are not as great. The ufc could run polls to see which fights/fighters the fans are interested in and hand out bonuses based on that etc, etc. Good riddance to Tim, perhaps this will increase the pressure to resign the Pitbull.
rofl does any1 even like silvia, i fing him boring and not an exciting fighter, DANA BOOT HIS ASS OUR OF THE UFC
CRAP now i am spelling like a rock troll DANA boot his ass out of the UFC*
Thumper – Keep in mind Sylvia was paid $100k to show, $100k to win. That would have been $200k to Lesner’s $250k, even though Lesner brought in the bulk of the PPV buys.
Who buys a PPV *JUST BECAUSE* Sylvia is on the card?
100k for a guy who is criticized as being unable to “finish fights” is quite the salary! He has fought 3 times in 13 months, that’s at least 300+ thousand, plus bonuses, plus sponsorship $, in the last year alone. Conservatively, he probably made half a million dollars, and we need to feel sorry for him??
Mana White makes millions of dollar in each event ans pays his fighter very badly ans that is a fact
Diego – pass the pipe brother!
Sylvia’s $100k salary and $60k bonus for fight of the night made his 12+ minutes of work worth $160k. Nice work, if you can get it.
And that’s is a fact.
I think that the UFC base pay is ok. What they should do is increase bonuses. Production(wins)=$$$ I’m talking 500k or higher. Other sports incorporate this in to contracts all the time.
im a big fan of sylvia an how can u say his last fight was boreing tim let those hands fly its just he was hitting the human punching bag so they went unnoticed. it would be a big loss for the ufc to let tim go thats why they wont let him go nowere,
and johnny what planet are u liveing on tim would kill fedor, thats why the **** is staying in m1 he hasn’t got the balls to come to the ufc i mean all hes done latley is fight 2nd rate fighters he would get smacked around in the ufc so dont come on here biggin him up i hope randy gets to fight him just to show not only u but all the other fedor lovers how overrated this guy really is!
johnyboy u are **** and if u where a hardcore fan u would no fedor would whoop tim sylvias ass 1st round KO now shut the hell up
well we’ll see wont we if tim goes to m1 fedor is a b**** an ur just a cock sucker
Oh im the b**** no dude ur thier b**** okay now shut the f*** up faget ass b**** get a life and go f*** urself ok
big words joey im shakeing in my boots
Ok John’s Boy u can stop talking now
now get off my dick ok
Lot of people say Tim is a boring fighter. Ok maybe he hasnt produced the Huston Alexander type knock outs but his ability to fight should be respected. Give the guy credit whether you like him or not he’s good. I want the top competition in the UFC.
He looked really good against NOG till he lost. I still give him credit for that fight. The UFC is a chest match and fighters have to use their strenghts to win the fight.
As for drawing power and ticket sales. I’ll be honest with you, I havent always liked Sylvia, but I watch his fights because he’s top competition. And if he goes some where else I’ll probably end up buying the ppv or dvd. Just like I do with Fedor.
joey why dont u just shut up b**** im adding my comment about the story u think im talking **** i think ur talking **** leave it at that and stop argueing wiv people who dont have the same views as u get a life kid
No ur the kid alright im 46 buddy so whatever happen happens its America
haha ur really wound up over this arnt u old man sad bastard
No u just keep thinking i dont no who u are okay have a pleasent evenins Masonic Templar
haha ok knobhead see u soon i very much doubt
Won’t Be Long
mate ur makeing a complete arse ov ur sen now so go back to dreaming in ur own little world an f*** off prick
just like to say sorry to all the other readers on this post, great piece leland keep up the good work
YO Lowcash, never made any claim as to Silva’s pay, for a fighter that draws the hate of the fans that he does; hey, people are paying to see him lose so maybe he should be paid. My problem with Silva is that as a standup fighter in the UFC he wants to box – instead of fight. MMA don’t work that way, if you want to standup you have to throw.
John………, you are pretty f***ed though, like cmon, you think gigantor(sylvia) would beat fedor, I think randy or fedor could have both of those pussies from last saturday at the same time and won, sylvia should go fill that open spot lessnar left at WWE, good f***in riddance you overpaid piece of dog ****.
my two cents
and joey, sounds like you better go back to the dungeons and dragons game pal, or go play bingo, something old f***ers do,
Damn….a lot of complaining going on. This is an unfortunate thing for the UFC. Tim is a good guy and a good fighter. Big loss for the UFC. They need to get the money thing down better or they are going to soon be number 2 to EliteXC. They are losing fighters due to money. First things first….Pay your fighters fairly. I agree Brock shouldnt be gettting that kind of money. I hope he stays.
Also…this site has been going good for a while now with great debates and grown up talks. If you cant talk like grown ups and stop the **** talking, find another site…..jeez, we are not 5.
Where is Scotchy when u need him?? haha
Tim Sylvia keeps talkin **** about Brock. This is the 2nd comment I’ve heard where he’s publicly disrespected him. I want to see this fight next and I believe it will be the end of Sylvia’s days in the UFC. I feel he’s fought his best fights in the UFC and it seems like he’s just trying to survive rather than win the fight. He has no aggression, and I believe Brock will overwhelm him with power then ground and pound. If Brock can learn better defense against jujitsu he will be a extremely dangerous fighter.
Dang how old are u guys talking trash on a mma site we are not on myspace or some other bull**** site no get the hell off of here!
We really should act like adults, kids are able to access this site and if we must use that kind of language lets use our personal email so they don’t read that stuff.
johnboy u boy u must me smoking that crack Tim Silvia gave u for sucking his cock… u r f***ing crazy if u think Silvia could beat fedor
espicially in M1? Fedor would know him the f*** out
knock him the f*** out*
OK ****ES! SSSSSTTTTOOOOPPPPP!!!!!!
Check it out…..Brock Lesnar was WAY OVERPAID for this fight if you look at it as a “fight salary”. The UFC should have paid him 40K to show and 40k to win (like they did Mir-who beat Sylvia) I agree a good piece of the PPV buys came from his b**** ass wrestling fans, so to avoid a problem like this, the UFC could have givin him a PPV %. Like or hate Sylvia, he has been a force in the UFC for the past 5 years. 5 years that the UFC has been growing (with his help) I really can’t see paying him more to fight, unless he starts winning. I would buy a PPV to watch Lesnar/Sylvia any day of the week. If Sylvia can beat that monster, maybe he deserves a raise and a stay of execution. I don’t think he can-but I would DEFINATELY watch that fight.
And by the way…… Fedor would BREAK SYLVIA’S OTHER ARM-QUICKLY.
(sorry Fix, you know that’s true)
i agree Johny boy u r wrong Tim Would get his ass beat down to the ground
early in his career i liked watching sylvia, when he was knocking people out and they were good fights,it started with the arlovski trilogy and just got worse, his most exciting fight was when he got beat by couture. The UFC has too many fighters now since they have aquired pride, they need to trim some fat literally and they should start with sylvia
I hope the have Brock fight Time. That would be great. Tim doesn’t have the bjj skill to last 1 round with Brock. I have said it once and I’ll say it again if zuffa thinks Tim is worth $100k then he is and if they think Brock is worth $250k then he is. Dana didn’t take the UFC form the undergound to mainstream because he didn’t know what he was doing. PS Tim and Randy are greedy and the sport is better off with both of them out of the UFC.
RANDY GO BACK TO HOLLYWOOD AND HAVE DOCTOR 90210 FIX YOUR EARS!!! YOU HAVE THE MONEY FROM THE SIGNING BOUSE YOU SAID DANA NEVER GAVE YOU TO PAY FOR IT!!!
Wow !!!
Tim spits his dummy out, again.
I’m sure Dana will bow down and give Tim what he wants, which is a shame.
Tim is the most overated UFC fighter i have ever seen, reallity is Tim has been protected by Dana and has not looked impressive since his fluke win against Arlovski (2nd fight).
Tim has been clinching his way to victory’s since Randy whooped his arse.
Willy thier is no thng as a fluke the other 2 people fighting = 2 people perpusllay trying to hit each other every hit counts
I’m not belittling Tim, but the 2nd Arlovski fight IMO, Arlovski left him self open and paid.
I think Tim is living in la la land if he feels he has more drawing power than Brock.
I know it’s all about money, but is Sylvia a big enough draw to really care about ?
With Mir, Nog, Lesnar, Arlovski, Herring, Kongo & Cro Cop around will the UFC miss him ?
all i was saying b4 all the argueing is fedor has not fought any1 of good class for a good two years were as tim has been fighting at the top for that time im not saying fedor is a rubbish fighter but how can people call him the best and rate him so high when he hasn’t been fighting top level guys, i dont rly understand why most people hate tim the guys a top heavyweight an the ufc needs good heavyweight fighters for our entertainment so try backing him for once instead or hateing him cos fedor wont be comeing to the ufc any time soon so lets not lose one of our top guys
Interesting statement about Brock’s pay Scothy, what makes you think Lesnar didn’t get a PPV %? The UFC has paid out percentages before and Brock is sure to have capitalized on that.
If they gave him a %%% and 200-250k for the fight, then they were WRONG. I think they may have offered him a %, but he wanted a garentee, which imo he would have made a lot more money the other way. I think it was a very exciting fight (no matter how quick it was) I would be very surprised to see him make that much in his next fight (just to show) though. He has definate drawing power. I quit watching wrestling when I was 10, but I knew of Lesnar, and was intrigued to see how a MONSTER with his strength and ability would perform. He definately needs to go train with a different “camp”, but I think he will be worth a **** load of money in the near future (if not now)
Couldn’t agree more about going to a proper camp, he should get himself down to NM and the Greg Jackson camp. He certainly has potential.
I think Fedor would beat Sylvia but not as easily as everyone thinks. I think it could even go to a decision. Fedor is the best fighter in the world but I think he could be beaten. I dont think Randy could beat him but I think others can. Enough with all this. Is anyone else pumped to see Tank get his ass handed to him this weekend? I hate Kimbo…but he will win.
Yeah, can’t stand Kimbo Slice, but he is gonna FRY TANK. I really liked Tank early UFC. I just liked how he knelt on Paul “the Polar Bear” Vahrlens head and laughed while he broke his nose. He definately is WAY over the hill, but it isn’t like he can’t punch. But Kimbo is trainning with Bas, and Bas is the king.
I agree that fedor is so overrated….. anyone see his bodog fight with linland…. he has to cheat to win.. pride sets up matches they know he is going to win, and M1 did that new years again. if fedor came to the ufc HW div. he would start collecting losses. I would not be surprised if tim could beat him.
It really is a shame how the ufc is treating their fighters. Zuffa is getting way to cocky, they are gonna loose some of their best fighters..then it will be a domino effect. they already lost randy.. who at this point is unstoppable… i recently saw an interview with randy talking about a “fighters union” It made a lot of sense. big tim (who I happen to like) needs to leave it in the cage instead of trying to win the safe way.
sylvia will make 200k a fight on the same card marcus davis 12k… there should be a base pay of x amount of dollars + win bonus…. then you add their record + their popularity + what they gave to the sport (ie.. x champ…. TUF champ)= their pay.
dana wont even allow Randy’s clothing line in the cage or corner… f*** off Dana
the ufc is on a very slippery slope right now….
WAR FORREST
If you’ve been at your job for years and then a rookie straight out of school comes and does the same job as you but he gets paid 2.5x more than you, would you be satisfied? I can understand Tim’s situation but I don’t necessarily agree with him.
For example, when I sat down in a restaurant to watch the event, my friends and I were asked who would win the main fight. Everyone started talking about Frank Mir. I was left scratching my head because I said Nogueira. The draw was Brock, not Tim.
I believe there is a problem with the pay structure but it’s more of an issue with the lower end of the scale. David Heath received $6k for training for two or three months and putting his body on the line. I think that’s worth a little bit more, that’s just my opinion though.
We the fans are the reason the UFC is the way it is. It seems most people who watch aren’t true MMA fans like us. They watch more for name than for skill. I don’t care who you are NO ONE deserves a quarter million dollars for their second ever MMA fight. the pay structure needs to be fixed in the UFC.. I think the pay should be based on the fight not the fighter. something like this:
25K undercard fight + 10K to win or 25K for KO/Sub
75K main card + 50K to win or 75K for KO/Sub
150K non-title main event + 100K to win 150K for KO/Sub
250K title challenger 500K for champion + 250K for win
For fight nights cut all those figures in half(not like there will be a title fight on fight night anyway)
I don’t understand why you brought up the issue of whether viewers are MMA fans or not. Is your dollar worth more than a non-MMA fan’s dollar?
I think the problem that the UFC faces is that they need to break into the mainstream. Brock Lesnar is that solution. He’s not being paid for his fighting ability, he’s being paid to be the path to a larger viewer base.
If he was being paid for his fighting ability, he totally ripped the UFC off.
KIMBO is #1 and to further that statement, he IS being trained by the king, Bas Rutten, tank has a punchers chance to win though, but kimbo is a beast and he can take a shot, way off topic but i seen the comments and had to say something, too bad i have to work weekends cuz i really want to see that card
anyway we can watch this card in the uk? ie internet sites?
Can’t Silvia see that if Brock is successful, he will put $$ in the pockets of all of his opponents too? Brock vs Tim could be Tim’s biggest payday.
I believe it is in Sylvia’s and the UFC’s best interest that Sylvia seek alternative employment. Sylvia is very tough, however built like a bag-of-milk and unskilled. Before he attempts to negotiate his salary, I suggest he further develop his fighting ability. As for the UFC, it is their responsibility to present the best product available. Fans want entertainment, the best fighters displaying their abilities. Sylvia is 2nd class and belongs in M1.
good his fights are so slow paced and boring as hell
i hope he leaves his fights are so long and boring
I’ve been a huge MMA fan since about 97. I watch many different organizations. Not just the UFC. I watched the last UFC, but I certainly didn’t watch it because of the Lesnar fight. I wasn’t looking forward to that fight at all and I was expecting Brock to lose. I don’t know why Brock was ever signed. He reminds me of Bob Sapp for Pride. Why would I want to see a huge guy with no real MMA experience. He had 1 fight going into that last fight, and he looked sloppy with his first win, which was against some Korean nobody. Brock looks slow and looks lost in the ring. He just tries to throw a bunch of punches and hope the ref will intervene. I watched the event because of Nogeuira being on the card. The former pride champ was unbeaten forever. Lost to Fedor twice and then kept winning again. To this day Fedor is the only man to ever beat him, even though he seems to be falling out of his prime. Though Sylvia would lose, if he could get a fight w/Fedor, it would make big money. Any fight w/Fedor will make big $$.
The bottom line is Tim Sylvia does not draw an audience and has a weak fan base. His fights are boring. This is the same reason I stopped watching boxing, theres too much jabbing and bouncing around the ring trying only to win a close decision than dominate. I disagree with you Saku39fan, Brock Lesnar did not look slow. I’ve never seen Mir get thrown around like that. If it wasn’t for the leg lock he fell into that fight is over and Brock just came in and beat one of the best heavyweights. Also that pt deduction was a weak call. If you watch the replay close, Mir is turning his head as Brock’s throwing punches and barely grazes the back of his head. To me he was fast and powerful especially for his size. He would destroy Tim and I hope it happens. Bye Timmy!
Josh, thanks for making your comment. I like to see what others have to say. But I didn’t say that Brock didn’t impress me against Sylvia. He actually did impress me. I was just saying that I personally didn’t pay to see that event because of Lesnar. Going into that fight, he hadn’t proven anything to me. I wasn’t impressed when he fought his first MMA bout in CA. He did look much slower in that fight. He still didn’t look quick to me against Mir, but his game plan was good and he showed a lot of heart against a man who was much more experienced than him. I’ll continue to watch the UFC, whether Sylvia stays or not. But if I were you I’d also look at the talent that is around the world, if you haven’t been already. I spent about the last 9 years of my life living in Japan (due to being in the Marine Corps) and there are some big time organizations over there (and I’m not just speaking of the fallen Pride). Don’t focus too much on just the UFC, cause that organization is missing quite a few of the best fighters from around the world. They have some great ones though. On a final note, I agree with you that the pt deduction was a bad move by the ref. I wouldn’t have complained if he’d been given a warning for it, but a pt deduction for that particular blow was a very weak call. Having the size and aggressiveness that Lesnar has, I’d love to see him get his next fight against a man like Mark Hunt. He looks to be in much better shape than Hunt, but Hunt is one of the toughest fighters in the world. One of the only fighters who I can think of that would beat Hunt (or who already has) is Fedor Emelianenko. I think Hunt would knock Lesnar out, but it would make for a very exciting fight. I wouldn’t even mind seeing Fedor’s brother fight Lesnar, but that would be a much more even fight. That would could possibly go either way.
Josh, Brock was fast but if you will go back and watch you will see were Brock spent more time spinning around on top of Mir than he did punching, on the second take down. Looked to me like he forgot he was not in the wwe. I think the ufc and Dana thought they had someone that was going to come out killing people. NOT…. He is not Matt Hughs. He may very well have to stand up a little longer with Tim, and he may be scarred of his own blood. NOBODY KNOWS, or he may be KO’D. just a thought either way the ufc has probably lost a mil. on a guy that will not dominate for a year or two. prob. was not expecting that. Today all fighters will turn their heads using that as a defence. Most guys have pretty good defence of the r.n.c. Did he do it on purpose yes, but Brock showed no signs of going to loop around instead con. to go straight down as though he was a wild idiot instead of a trained athlete. The only reason I dislike Brock, is that a guy with a 1-0 record disrespects guys who helped make this sport. As my dad always told me don’t let your alligator mouth overload your tadpole butt. Kinda silly but this time his mouth was bigger than he was. excuse my typing I am paralyzed chest down for 7 months I type with one finger best I can do.
Thanks for the input on my comments. Honestly I don’t follow other mma organizations other than the ufc. Other than Fedor I don’t really know much about the heavyweight competition in the world and I have never even seen him fight. The ufc is so publicized now in the U.S. I don’t ever see any other events televised.(At least in the Chicago area.) Tim, I agree with you about Lesnar running his mouth too much for an unproven fighter. Mir deserved to win that fight for the class he showed. I did think Lesnar’s first fight against the Korean he looked slow and didn’t really know what to do, but I did see improvement against Mir. It seems like he trains hard physically, but he needs to practice other styles of fighting as well. He gave Mir’s jujitsu no respect and Mir made him pay. He’s always gonna come across those submission opponents. Whether or not he’s smart enough to realize that I guess we’ll see. I still think Lesnar would own Sylvia now. I don’t know about 2 or 3 years ago, but this isn’t the same Tim Syvia.
Josh, I’m in the Chicago area too so I know what you mean. As I said before I just moved here from Japan. It’s easy to follow the UFC in the states, but not as easy to follow all of the other organizations unless you know which organizations they are, and even then the UFC is the only company in the states that American Pay-Per-View channels will put on the air. I get pre-recorded fights from M-1, K-1, Bodog, and Heros sent over to me. Sometimes you can also get some of those fights on youtube. Just have to keep up with the organizations and check out the fight cards. In Japan that’s what I liked about SkyPerfect (a Japanese pay per view company). They usually aired every organizations fights. You should look into buying all of the Pride dvds. I own almost all of them. That’ll get you spun up on who Fedor is.
He fought in Rings before Pride though. Fedor is ranked the 1 heavyweight in the world for a reason. Technically speaking, his MMA record should be 29 wins 0 losses and 1 no contest. But his record shows him as being 28 wins 1 loss and 1 no contest. The 1 loss on his record should be corrected, but it never will be. The night when he was marked with a loss was the same night that he fought Ricardo Arona (one of the best fighters ever, currently in the light heavyweight division, but not in the UFC). Arona opened up a big cut on Fedor, but Fedor won the fight. It was a big tournament. Fedor then fought a Japanese fighter (Kohsaka). In the fight with Kohsaka, Kohsaka used an illegal elbow shot to open up the same cut Fedor had got against Arona. It opened up a huge gash only seconds into the fight. The rules of that fight was that no elbows could be used unless the fighter was wearing elbow pads (kind of strange, but it was a rule). Kohsaka wasn’t wearing any, but he used his elbow to reopen the gash. On any other day, the Japanese fighter would’ve been disqualified. But on that night, the rules were that someone had to continue until the tournament was complete. The medical personnel wouldn’t let Fedor continue and it was ruled a loss. He finally got his rematch against Kohsaka in a Pride fight. He fought the only man who has ever “beat him”, and that rematch was not even close. Fedor dominated it from beginning to end. The ref had to stop the fight on numerous occasions for doctor checks. After 10 min the fight was stopped for good by a dr. It probably shouldv’e been stopped sooner.
Throughout Fedor’s career he has been known to usually only fight against the top competition. Nobody has beat him yet. Couture wants to fight him sometime this year and it might happen. But I feel bad for Couture if it does. I actually like Randy and would hate to see him get seriously hurt by Fedor. Fedor is about 6′1, 230 lbs. He usually fights men who are much bigger than him, like Semmy Schilt (6′11, 290 lbs; former K-1 champion), Zulu (6′6, 400 lbs; record of 41-3, 40 KO’s), Naoya Ogawa (6′4, 253 lbs; was 7-0 prior to fighting Fedor), Mark Hunt (5′10, 280 lbs; was 5-2 in MMA prior to fighting Fedor, and was also 29-11 in K-1), Hong Man Choi (7′2, 367 lbs). In addition to the huge men he has fought, he also dominated Renato Sobral, Mark Coleman (twice), Nogeuira (twice, Nog was 19-1-1 when he went to fight Fedor the first time – that only loss was to Dan Henderson, but he won in a rematch against Henderson). Nog had also previously tapped out Enson Inoue (a Japanese fighter who has beaten Randy Couture). Fedor had also made Keven Randleman tap out in 1:33 seconds of a 1st Round. He dominated Matt Lindland, Mirko Cro-Cop (back when nobody could beat him), and Heath Herring (along w/so many others). I think his toughest fight was against Kazuyuki Fujita (a muscle bound Japanese dude with a **** load of power). That was the only man to ever rock Fedor, but Fedor held on and won by tapout.
Wow. Huge news in MMA. Pride is basically alive again, but with a new name. They are calling it Dream. First event is 15 March. They definitely know how to put together much better cards in Japan than they do in the UFC. I’ll continue to watch the UFC, but I’m confident that Dream will be more entertaining, just like Pride was. It’ll be time for supercards again at every event, instead of getting 1 or 2 main fights per card, which aren’t always even much to look forward to. Fedor already confirmed that he’ll be fighting in Dream. A lot of old greats (who are out of their prime now) will also be over there, like Sakuraba Kazushi and Royce Gracie. Kid Yamamoto (one of the best lightweights in the world) will be fighting over there. I wouldn’t be surprised if Takanori Gomi went over there too. Cro-Cop will be fighting in their first event. It’s great for him. The UFC rules don’t really suit his style. I’m pretty sure men like Shogun will be heading back over to that organization too, where their skills can be seen. The UFC doesn’t allow fighters to use knees or kicks to the head when the opponent is on the ground. Men like Shogun and Vanderlei Silva use that as their most lethal weapons. Heros and Pride are both gone. The owners of FEG (which ran K-1/Heros) and DSE (owners of the old Pride) have come together to form Dream. Dana White will be selfish and lose many great fighters to that organization. I can almost guarrantee it. If he was smart he’d allow them to fight over there as long as they also kept fighting for the UFC too, but I’m sure he’ll tell them he doesn’t want them fighting for anyone else, and they’ll more than likely leave. I bet the Fedor and Couture fight will happen in Dream. It would be cool if fighters from Dream would occasionally go over to the UFC and fighters from the UFC would go over to Dream, the way they did with Pride. But I’d much rather watch the Dream show. The UFC is really kind of boring compared to the way Pride was. But the Japanese organization is best when watching it live, and watching the Japanese commentators. They have excellent commentators. Each time I watched Pride with the American commentators it was nothing like the one w/the Japanese guys talking. Stephen Quadros and Bas Rutten were just way too damn corny.
Thanks for the Fedor 101. It sounds like your a pretty hardcore mma fan. I really look forward to the monthly ufc ppv’s but sometimes I get disappointed if its a weak card. I do shop on ebay alot so I’m gonna look into getting some of those older pride videos. I am somewhat limited on my ppv exspenses. I’m 27, with a 2 yr old son and a **** load of bills. I’m sure you can understand that if your living around Chicago. I would say the past 2 yrs I have really become a hardcore mma fan. I watched a little before that, but mainly only the huge cards like the first time Tito fought Shamrock. I used to be a big boxing fan, but that sport really regressed over the past 5 yrs. The problem is, is that everyone got there own promoters and it takes forever for them to agree to all the terms so in some cases it would take years for the best fighters to fight each other. In the ufc, they all have one boss and he says you fight him and thats that. Any thoughts on the Henderson vs Silva fight? Thats cool that you got to live in Japan. That must be way different than the states. It sound like mma is probably quite a bit more popular over there. Anyway I have much respect for our U.S. military. Are you out now? My younger brother is in the Army and is scheduled to go over seas sometime in spring or early summer, but I’m not sure where yet. I was tempted to join after highschool in 1999, but it ended up just falling through. I still enjoy training. I recently joined a new gym and they off jujitsu classes. I want to see Shogun fight Ortiz next.
Josh,
You don’t buy any video just look on youtube, there are tons of mma fights on fedor. Plus, if money is a porblem call around to local sports bar. I haven’t paid for a PPV in months.
He is right. You can find some fights on youtube, but they’ve been getting smarter about that. There have been numerous fights that I’ve tried to get on youtube that I couldn’t view. Also, I just enjoy going to the sportsbars to see the events live, and that’s much cheaper than getting them on PPV. But I’d definitely check youtube for some of his fights before buying them. The reason I own so many of them is cause I’ve been watching them long before I’d ever heard of youtube.
Sylvia is so arrogant!! It’s almost hilarious!! He really thinks he’s hot $hit!!! Let him go!!
Im in chicago & I can find the ppv fights at the majority of sports bar’s! Try the buffalo wild wings restaurants.There almost a sure thing!
Magic26, I’ve only been in the Chicago area for a couple months now. Came here after being stationed in Japan for so long, but I found an excellent sportsbar. It’s called Joe’s sportsbar. You can look it up online. The place is huge, several great screens all over the place, and the last UFC event was just a $10 cover charge there. That’s $10 more than I’d be charged in Japan, but it beats paying for PPV at home. After the event, the backside of the place turns into a club. That’s not why I went there, but they had a live band playing. For a total of $10, in Chicago, I don’t think you can beat it.
Fighters these days only fight for the money…whatever happened to ” i fight because its what i love to do” , now its “give me more money or i am not fighting ” what b****es. they get their hospital bill covered. they already make a **** load. mabey if sylvia was more of a buisness man and learnd to invest and make some more money he wouldnt be b****ing.
Buffalo Wild Wings RULES
(and its free)
Tim is the **** he is from maine, were real men come from
I’ll have to look up that one. Never heard of Buffalo Wild Wings. Wonder when they close…
Sylvia is washed up and is not that good, yeah Brock Lesnar was paid more than you were, you do you think the fans came to see, the UFC is a corporation that needs money, it was a financial move that was smart. If he thinks he is over paid why does he not ask to fight Brock to prove that he is better, can you say upset.
Derek,
The only problem with the so called payday, is that this is the UFC. You only get one big shot with that much HYPE. Who would pay to see Brock fight again (except WWE fans). To me he didn’t look like a mma fighter.