Comments on: UFC 82: Majority of Card Now Official, Arlovski and Koscheck On Preliminary Card http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/ UFC and MMA News Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:24:27 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 By: scotchydow http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25831 scotchydow Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:39:46 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25831 Tim, I agree. Liddel might be on his way out. Tito is probablly on his way out. By-By Cro-Cop, Should have learned a couple more moves. Have fun in Japan. Houston Alexander isn't a top $$$ guy yet, so he can stay and learn (or be fed to the wolves) Now I do have a problem putting Forrest, Bonner, and Wandy in this catagory though. Forrest and Bonner are TRUE MMA ARTISTS. Bonner holds a black belt in Gracie BJJ and has a pair of golden gloves to pull them up with. Forrest has been knocking guys around since he entered the UFC, and has choked a few too (anyone heard of "Shogun" Rua??!!) As far as Wandy goes-one sided, yes. Lame ass tuck your tail and run-NEVER. The guy lives or dies by the sword, but LEAVES IT IN THE CAGE OR RING. And lastly, IN NO WAY DO I JUSTIFY PAYING BROCK LESNAR 250K TO FIGHT. As a crowed lure, yes. But to pay him that (and say that's what it's for) is an insult to veteran fighters all over the MMA world. He will be a star, but make him earn it. Tim, I agree. Liddel might be on his way out. Tito is probablly on his way out. By-By Cro-Cop, Should have learned a couple more moves. Have fun in Japan. Houston Alexander isn’t a top $$$ guy yet, so he can stay and learn (or be fed to the wolves)
Now I do have a problem putting Forrest, Bonner, and Wandy in this catagory though. Forrest and Bonner are TRUE MMA ARTISTS. Bonner holds a black belt in Gracie BJJ and has a pair of golden gloves to pull them up with. Forrest has been knocking guys around since he entered the UFC, and has choked a few too (anyone heard of “Shogun” Rua??!!) As far as Wandy goes-one sided, yes. Lame ass tuck your tail and run-NEVER. The guy lives or dies by the sword, but LEAVES IT IN THE CAGE OR RING.
And lastly, IN NO WAY DO I JUSTIFY PAYING BROCK LESNAR 250K TO FIGHT. As a crowed lure, yes. But to pay him that (and say that’s what it’s for) is an insult to veteran fighters all over the MMA world. He will be a star, but make him earn it.

]]> By: Tim D. http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25820 Tim D. Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:23:27 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25820 scotchydow, since we're going to use that analogy. Then we must use it on everyone, so see you latter Sylvia, Bonner, Forrest, Chuck, Tito, Houston, Wanderlei, Cro Cop, oh whats that other guys name is it Brock, and you can't say he's young and can learn everyone can do that. Your probably wondering why I put some these guys in this, it's because they have only one style of fighting, and if that style fails they are seriously screwed. We should be careful before attacking someone over one style of fighting. Most fighters only have one effective style. Most often they lose in the style they are not very good in. Just saying most people have justified Brock, yet throw Sylvia to the dogs for the same reason. scotchydow, since we’re going to use that analogy. Then we must use it on everyone, so see you latter Sylvia, Bonner, Forrest, Chuck, Tito, Houston, Wanderlei, Cro Cop, oh whats that other guys name is it Brock, and you can’t say he’s young and can learn everyone can do that. Your probably wondering why I put some these guys in this, it’s because they have only one style of fighting, and if that style fails they are seriously screwed. We should be careful before attacking someone over one style of fighting. Most fighters only have one effective style. Most often they lose in the style they are not very good in. Just saying most people have justified Brock, yet throw Sylvia to the dogs for the same reason.

]]> By: scotchydow http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25808 scotchydow Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:33:10 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25808 I base my opinion of Arlovski's worth on his last three fights, and his first 5. I am DEFINATELY no noob. Arlovski was on his way out of the UFC before he made his run at Tim Sylvia and the title. His fights were boring, but then something started a fire under his ass, and he started knockin people around. Then something happened, the fire went out, and he got a George Micheal hair cut(oh, and stopped FIGHTING like he gave a shit) I was a fan of THE PITBULL, but have no care in seeing the guy who fought Sylvia 3 times, or squeeked that fart of a match out with Cruiz. And GOOD RIDENCE TIM SYLVIA (SORRY FIXXER) He will be a big name (and threat) in another promotion, but can't hang with the UFC. He fought well against Nog for 2 rounds, but you need a ground game in the UFC (and no I am not an ICEMAN fan either, he better learn some new tricks as well) I base my opinion of Arlovski’s worth on his last three fights, and his first 5. I am DEFINATELY no noob. Arlovski was on his way out of the UFC before he made his run at Tim Sylvia and the title. His fights were boring, but then something started a fire under his ass, and he started knockin people around. Then something happened, the fire went out, and he got a George Micheal hair cut(oh, and stopped FIGHTING like he gave a ****) I was a fan of THE PITBULL, but have no care in seeing the guy who fought Sylvia 3 times, or squeeked that fart of a match out with Cruiz. And GOOD RIDENCE TIM SYLVIA (SORRY FIXXER) He will be a big name (and threat) in another promotion, but can’t hang with the UFC. He fought well against Nog for 2 rounds, but you need a ground game in the UFC (and no I am not an ICEMAN fan either, he better learn some new tricks as well)

]]> By: Jon Huntley http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25764 Jon Huntley Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:52:29 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25764 To all those who say Andrei Arlovski is a boring fighter: Your basis for this is because he has had two boring fights in his last three? If this is your contention I'd call you noobs to the sport. The truth is many fighters have lame fights. It happens. In Arlovski's case he had a lackluster fight with Tim Sylvia - largely due to injury in second round (knee injury) from a leg kick which he did not report during fight and was suspended for 6 weeks as a result. His next fight was with Marcio Cruz which he knocked out on the ground - doesn't seem boring to me. Then he fought Fabricio Werdum who is VERY dangerous on the ground and would likely have submitted Arlovski and most anybody else. To add to that, Arlvoski was PROMISED a title fight if only he won the fight. He fought a smart fight in that he did not leave himself open for a takedown. His apprehension had nothing to do with a fear of being knocked out - it was an avoidance of going to the ground which his coaches told him to do. If you were fighting in his shoes with all the above circumstances, would you have fought differently? A guaranteed title shot if he won? Hmmm... I don't know. If you say you would, you are probably not being honest. It seems easy to me. So point is, Arlovski has had two "boring" fights, both for very different reasons and NOT consecutive. The guy is 29 years old and still an amazing fighter. Most of his fights he has won and by knockout. He is not washed up and he has a lot of years to improve. So please, stop taling because you really are jumping to conclusions and drawing bogus conclusions based on INCOMPLETE information and I just have little tolerance for people talking like they know what they are talking about but really don't. And yes, Arlovski is one of my favorite fighters, but I actually backed up my claims with evidence. Where is your's rs? To all those who say Andrei Arlovski is a boring fighter:

Your basis for this is because he has had two boring fights in his last three? If this is your contention I’d call you noobs to the sport. The truth is many fighters have lame fights. It happens. In Arlovski’s case he had a lackluster fight with Tim Sylvia – largely due to injury in second round (knee injury) from a leg kick which he did not report during fight and was suspended for 6 weeks as a result. His next fight was with Marcio Cruz which he knocked out on the ground – doesn’t seem boring to me. Then he fought Fabricio Werdum who is VERY dangerous on the ground and would likely have submitted Arlovski and most anybody else. To add to that, Arlvoski was PROMISED a title fight if only he won the fight. He fought a smart fight in that he did not leave himself open for a takedown. His apprehension had nothing to do with a fear of being knocked out – it was an avoidance of going to the ground which his coaches told him to do. If you were fighting in his shoes with all the above circumstances, would you have fought differently? A guaranteed title shot if he won? Hmmm… I don’t know. If you say you would, you are probably not being honest. It seems easy to me. So point is, Arlovski has had two “boring” fights, both for very different reasons and NOT consecutive. The guy is 29 years old and still an amazing fighter. Most of his fights he has won and by knockout. He is not washed up and he has a lot of years to improve. So please, stop taling because you really are jumping to conclusions and drawing bogus conclusions based on INCOMPLETE information and I just have little tolerance for people talking like they know what they are talking about but really don’t. And yes, Arlovski is one of my favorite fighters, but I actually backed up my claims with evidence. Where is your’s rs?

]]> By: Mike B http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25345 Mike B Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:34:04 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25345 Artc, I hear you, but you just proved my point. After the loss to Couture, the underwhelming win over Vera, and now the loss to Minotauro, Sylvia is pretty much on his way out. Though he is a great fighter, the excitement factor isn't where it used to be with him. The same goes for Cro Cop. 2 losses in a row, including the massive head-kick by Gonzaga and the clear-cut decision win by Kongo. It's been awhile now since both Sylvia and Cro Cop have had exciting bouts go in their favor. The only reason Sylvia got the title bout was because he was the last to hold the belt before Couture. Cro Cop is farther from title contention than he has been in years. Meanwhile, guys like Kongo, Fitch, Lauzon, Huerta, and others have been pushing the sport in exciting new dirctions. It's a good the TUF8 will be heavyweights; the division badly needs an injection of quality talent. Artc,
I hear you, but you just proved my point. After the loss to Couture, the underwhelming win over Vera, and now the loss to Minotauro, Sylvia is pretty much on his way out. Though he is a great fighter, the excitement factor isn’t where it used to be with him. The same goes for Cro Cop. 2 losses in a row, including the massive head-kick by Gonzaga and the clear-cut decision win by Kongo. It’s been awhile now since both Sylvia and Cro Cop have had exciting bouts go in their favor. The only reason Sylvia got the title bout was because he was the last to hold the belt before Couture. Cro Cop is farther from title contention than he has been in years. Meanwhile, guys like Kongo, Fitch, Lauzon, Huerta, and others have been pushing the sport in exciting new dirctions. It’s a good the TUF8 will be heavyweights; the division badly needs an injection of quality talent.

]]> By: Artc http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25334 Artc Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:19:52 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25334 Mike B i can see how you think your theory is valid but i strongly diagree. case in piont TIm Sylvia, Mirko Cro-Cop. enough said. Mike B i can see how you think your theory is valid but i strongly diagree. case in piont TIm Sylvia, Mirko Cro-Cop. enough said.

]]> By: mike B http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25127 mike B Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:00:49 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25127 The business side of the MMA world is as unforgiving as MMA itself. Even though Sanchez is coming off 2 loses (including 1 to Kos) and Kos is coming off a loss to GSP and the lackluster win over Sanchez, these two TUF1 veterans have been more successful and exciting than Chris Leben, their fellow TUF1 fighter who, despite this, is on the main card while Sanchez and Kos are on the prelim. This is because of Leben's recent knockout of Terry Martin. In the UFC, it seems, a fighter is only as useful as his last big victory (save for super-big names like Liddell, Shogun, or Wanderlei Silva.) This is exactly how Houston Alexander's popularity skyrocketed after 2 big wins, and other guys like Sanchez who have impressive records but are coming off unexciting fights are cast back into obscurity. If Kos, Sanchez, or Arlovski want to get back to the main card in the future, they need big, dramatic knockout wins. Otherwise, they will be pushed back down into obscurity until they're gone from the fight game. The business side of the MMA world is as unforgiving as MMA itself. Even though Sanchez is coming off 2 loses (including 1 to Kos) and Kos is coming off a loss to GSP and the lackluster win over Sanchez, these two TUF1 veterans have been more successful and exciting than Chris Leben, their fellow TUF1 fighter who, despite this, is on the main card while Sanchez and Kos are on the prelim. This is because of Leben’s recent knockout of Terry Martin. In the UFC, it seems, a fighter is only as useful as his last big victory (save for super-big names like Liddell, Shogun, or Wanderlei Silva.) This is exactly how Houston Alexander’s popularity skyrocketed after 2 big wins, and other guys like Sanchez who have impressive records but are coming off unexciting fights are cast back into obscurity. If Kos, Sanchez, or Arlovski want to get back to the main card in the future, they need big, dramatic knockout wins. Otherwise, they will be pushed back down into obscurity until they’re gone from the fight game.

]]> By: Nikko http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25015 Nikko Fri, 08 Feb 2008 03:59:32 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-25015 Can someone give me a reason why the UFC or some other league can't hold a tournament, say the top sixteen seeds in each weight class, in which the fighters get a typical UFC salary of $50,000 per fight. The winners continue down the bracket until the final "superfight" in which the winner takes all, say $10,000,000 or whatever the standard boxer gets these days for a championship bout. The tournament could start in January and the Finals in December. They could have unlimited rounds to prevent a split decision and they could hold a PPV every other month or even every other week if they spilt weight classes. They could also host free fights on Spike for the up an commers to earn a spot on the next years tournament. $10 MIL would guarantee quality fights - 1st 16 seeded Heavy Weights could be: Fedor Big Nog Sylvia Couture Arlovski Cro Cop Werdum Gonzaga Kongo the gay cowboy Mir Vera Aleksander Hunt Barnett Open I would pay for every event! Can someone give me a reason why the UFC or some other league can’t hold a tournament, say the top sixteen seeds in each weight class, in which the fighters get a typical UFC salary of $50,000 per fight. The winners continue down the bracket until the final “superfight” in which the winner takes all, say $10,000,000 or whatever the standard boxer gets these days for a championship bout. The tournament could start in January and the Finals in December. They could have unlimited rounds to prevent a split decision and they could hold a PPV every other month or even every other week if they spilt weight classes. They could also host free fights on Spike for the up an commers to earn a spot on the next years tournament. $10 MIL would guarantee quality fights – 1st 16 seeded Heavy Weights could be:
Fedor
Big Nog
Sylvia
Couture
Arlovski
Cro Cop
Werdum
Gonzaga
Kongo
the gay cowboy
Mir
Vera
Aleksander
Hunt
Barnett
Open
I would pay for every event!

]]> By: Eddy F. http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-24998 Eddy F. Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:47:56 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-24998 I agree! I can't believe arlovski is on the undercard! It's almost like they want him to leave.Unbelievable!! I wud definitely trade in all those fights to watch AA beat da crap out of irish!!! I agree! I can’t believe arlovski is on the undercard! It’s almost like they want him to leave.Unbelievable!!

I wud definitely trade in all those fights to watch AA beat da crap out of irish!!!

]]> By: Jason N. http://mmafrenzy.com/1931/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-24988 Jason N. Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:10:42 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/ufc-82-majority-of-card-now-official-arlovski-and-koscheck-on-preliminary-card/#comment-24988 Did I say I wanted to see that fight? no...I said i wanted to see them fight, you know...they are on the card...KOS vs someone...Diego vs someone.. so its not me smoking... Its ok, I mean, you dont give people credit in the UFC...I guess you dont think anything is possible...like I mentioned of the previous fights...or hell..how bout those pats...19-0 huh? Yea, upsets NEVER happen...good call Did I say I wanted to see that fight? no…I said i wanted to see them fight, you know…they are on the card…KOS vs someone…Diego vs someone.. so its not me smoking…

Its ok, I mean, you dont give people credit in the UFC…I guess you dont think anything is possible…like I mentioned of the previous fights…or hell..how bout those pats…19-0 huh? Yea, upsets NEVER happen…good call

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