Comments on: Heavyweights Can Take A Beating, UFC 81 After Thoughts http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/ UFC and MMA News Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:09:21 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mojo http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24935 Mojo Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:24:19 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24935 Bottom line is that Brock hit him in the back of the head. That is illegal. Even though it didn't look like much, it is still illegal. There are other illegal moves that usually lets the fighter have five minutes to recoup. Mazzagotti could have gave Mir 5 minutes if he wanted to. Getting hit in the back of the head is no different than a nutshot or kicking some one in the head when they are down. It is still an illegal move. Enough said. Bottom line is that Brock hit him in the back of the head. That is illegal. Even though it didn’t look like much, it is still illegal. There are other illegal moves that usually lets the fighter have five minutes to recoup. Mazzagotti could have gave Mir 5 minutes if he wanted to. Getting hit in the back of the head is no different than a nutshot or kicking some one in the head when they are down. It is still an illegal move. Enough said.

]]> By: tbird http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24880 tbird Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:17:18 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24880 mir rolled his head into the hammerfist it wasnt that strong of a hit it warrented a warning not a point deduction mazzagotti was wrong mir may have still submitted lesnar but we will never know he was hurt you can see his eyes glassy if watch it again his only chace was to get out of side control that lesnar had and stevo gave it to him i thought we were in the wwe again and earl hebnar was in control of the action mir rolled his head into the hammerfist it wasnt that strong of a hit it warrented a warning not a point deduction mazzagotti was wrong mir may have still submitted lesnar but we will never know he was hurt you can see his eyes glassy if watch it again his only chace was to get out of side control that lesnar had and stevo gave it to him i thought we were in the wwe again and earl hebnar was in control of the action

]]> By: CptnHowdy http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24799 CptnHowdy Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:17:21 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24799 A little off the subject, but not bad! I miss the hell out of Big John doing the officiating. Especially when people start ??? the outcome of a fight due to a call that was made. A little off the subject, but not bad!

I miss the hell out of Big John doing the officiating. Especially when people start ??? the outcome of a fight due to a call that was made.

]]> By: Thumper http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24688 Thumper Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:37:34 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24688 Oh ereyna92806, you just keep leading with your chin, "Bambi" as in noob. For the record I am almost 40 and have been a huge UFC and MMA for years, since the very first UFC in fact. I know what I saw on Saturday night and am confident that after all the hype dies down more and more people will come to see it our way. Scotchy is completely right and Mazzigatti and everyone else saw Lesnar do the exact same thing in his only other MMA fight. I am also sure than he was warned very emphatically in the locker room before the fight. Steve over emphasizes during the ring instructions about a "clean" fight. Oh ereyna92806, you just keep leading with your chin, “Bambi” as in noob. For the record I am almost 40 and have been a huge UFC and MMA for years, since the very first UFC in fact. I know what I saw on Saturday night and am confident that after all the hype dies down more and more people will come to see it our way. Scotchy is completely right and Mazzigatti and everyone else saw Lesnar do the exact same thing in his only other MMA fight. I am also sure than he was warned very emphatically in the locker room before the fight. Steve over emphasizes during the ring instructions about a “clean” fight.

]]> By: ereyna92806 http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24595 ereyna92806 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:02:07 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24595 Thumper I did not mean to piss you off, just thought that was funny. A Bambi crack would have been too ez. I don't get my people on this site and other like it are crapping all over Brock? Yes he was a pro wrestler before he became a mma fighter, but so were the guys who started Pancrase, Ken Shamrock and Sakuraba. So lay off Brock, He is a real fighter! He won't quit on the UFC and fans because he thinks a contract he signed less then a year ago is no longer good enough. As for Tim D will work on my english like Brock will work on his BJJ and we'll both be the better for it. scotchydow you are just wrong and 2cups1girls is right. I was just waiting for Steve Mazagati to hit Brock with a steel chair or for Brock to win only to have Vince McWhite (I like Dana but I had to run with this wwe rant) come out and say that this fight was now 2 out of 3 falls. Steve Mazagati cheated The UFC, Brock, Frank and us the fans from what should have been a great fight. He left me wondering "what if" not that was a great fight. But in 24 months when Brock has the interim belt (Randy will be in court until he is 50) this loss won't matter, just like GSP losing to Hughes after 2 big wins in a row. Thumper I did not mean to piss you off, just thought that was funny. A Bambi crack would have been too ez.

I don’t get my people on this site and other like it are crapping all over Brock? Yes he was a pro wrestler before he became a mma fighter, but so were the guys who started Pancrase, Ken Shamrock and Sakuraba. So lay off Brock, He is a real fighter! He won’t quit on the UFC and fans because he thinks a contract he signed less then a year ago is no longer good enough.

As for Tim D will work on my english like Brock will work on his BJJ and we’ll both be the better for it.

scotchydow you are just wrong and 2cups1girls is right. I was just waiting for Steve Mazagati to hit Brock with a steel chair or for Brock to win only to have Vince McWhite (I like Dana but I had to run with this wwe rant) come out and say that this fight was now 2 out of 3 falls. Steve Mazagati cheated The UFC, Brock, Frank and us the fans from what should have been a great fight. He left me wondering “what if” not that was a great fight. But in 24 months when Brock has the interim belt (Randy will be in court until he is 50) this loss won’t matter, just like GSP losing to Hughes after 2 big wins in a row.

]]> By: 2girls1cup http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24562 2girls1cup Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:31:55 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24562 maybe people saw it differently than i did, but it did look like mir turned into that hit to the back of the head after lesnar started swinging so i really don't see why they penalized him, at least not to that extent, since he couldn't have stopped it. either way, mazagati shouldn't have stopped the fight. i see that shit all the time and they usually warn the guy once or twice to stop doing it before they break it up. again, the fight may have turned out the same in the end, but maybe not.stopping the fight definetly worked against lesnar since he was in side control and may have just pounded mir out. maybe people saw it differently than i did, but it did look like mir turned into that hit to the back of the head after lesnar started swinging so i really don’t see why they penalized him, at least not to that extent, since he couldn’t have stopped it. either way, mazagati shouldn’t have stopped the fight. i see that **** all the time and they usually warn the guy once or twice to stop doing it before they break it up. again, the fight may have turned out the same in the end, but maybe not.stopping the fight definetly worked against lesnar since he was in side control and may have just pounded mir out.

]]> By: scotchydow http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24558 scotchydow Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:14:18 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24558 I am only going to say this one more time.....THE REASON LESNAR GOT THE OINT TAKEN AWAY IS BECAUSE HE MADE NO ATTEMPT NOT TO HIT MIR IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD. Most fights (Like BJ Penn vs. Stevenson) you see a fighter roll to his stomach and "give his back" and the other fighter ATTEMPTS TO LOOP PUNCHES AROUND TO THE FACE. Lesnar was swinging wildly, and making NO ATTEMPT to loop his punches away from the back of Mir's head. I give Lesnar a TON of credit for fighting somebody with Mir's experience, and agree his takedown speed and power was unmatched. His inexperience was his problem. He would have had a better chance staying on his feet than taking a BRAZILIAN JITZ specialist (last I heard Mir was a purple belt, but with his skill I am sure he has progressed) to the ground. Mir's whole plan was to tap Brock. I also agree that he will be a force to be recound with in the near future but needs a bit of polish. I think that he would destroy somebody with little or no ground skills (like Sylvia, and I don't want to hear about him beating Monson-because it wasn't Tim's ground game that won that it was his height) I am only going to say this one more time…..THE REASON LESNAR GOT THE OINT TAKEN AWAY IS BECAUSE HE MADE NO ATTEMPT NOT TO HIT MIR IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD. Most fights (Like BJ Penn vs. Stevenson) you see a fighter roll to his stomach and “give his back” and the other fighter ATTEMPTS TO LOOP PUNCHES AROUND TO THE FACE. Lesnar was swinging wildly, and making NO ATTEMPT to loop his punches away from the back of Mir’s head. I give Lesnar a TON of credit for fighting somebody with Mir’s experience, and agree his takedown speed and power was unmatched. His inexperience was his problem. He would have had a better chance staying on his feet than taking a BRAZILIAN JITZ specialist (last I heard Mir was a purple belt, but with his skill I am sure he has progressed) to the ground. Mir’s whole plan was to tap Brock. I also agree that he will be a force to be recound with in the near future but needs a bit of polish. I think that he would destroy somebody with little or no ground skills (like Sylvia, and I don’t want to hear about him beating Monson-because it wasn’t Tim’s ground game that won that it was his height)

]]> By: Tim D. http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24546 Tim D. Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:25:57 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24546 No offense Eddy but with your english I would not talk about anyone's ed. No offense Eddy but with your english I would not talk about anyone’s ed.

]]> By: Thumper http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24545 Thumper Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:14:26 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24545 Actually Eddy you are the problem, I am expressing an opinion but not trying to attack anyone personally like you just did. I also gave Brock the credit he deserves, as on the last thread, CAN YOU READ?? By the way what is an 'Internet' MMA fan? I am a fan I watch it on a big TV after paying for it cause that is the way I like to enjoy it. I don't steal it off the internet like so many. People will always disagree but there is no reason for the crap you are posting. Actually Eddy you are the problem, I am expressing an opinion but not trying to attack anyone personally like you just did. I also gave Brock the credit he deserves, as on the last thread, CAN YOU READ?? By the way what is an ‘Internet’ MMA fan? I am a fan I watch it on a big TV after paying for it cause that is the way I like to enjoy it. I don’t steal it off the internet like so many. People will always disagree but there is no reason for the crap you are posting.

]]> By: Eddyr92806 http://mmafrenzy.com/1927/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24539 Eddyr92806 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:23:41 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/04/heavyweights-can-take-a-beating-ufc-81-after-thoughts/#comment-24539 Thumper you're everything that is wrong with internet MMA fans. Lesnar is by far more gifted than any other fighter in HW class. Did you see how Brock took Mir down like he was a 13 year old soccer player? Did you see Brocks un-Godly quickness at 280+? He was moving as fast a LW. UFC had to make him XXXL gloves cause hand. And yes he got caught in a knee bar but that is not why he lost; Mazagati is why Brock lost!!! Why after one (as you say LO force) hit to the back of the head (that Mir turned into, as it was coming down, I may add) did the Steve stop the fight and deduct a point. That was BS, plus in 2 years Lesnar will rule the HW class and be the NEXT BIG THING in mma. Brock may be the ex-WWE Superstar but it seems to me that Frank had the HEEL (bad guy) Ref on his side throwing the fight! PS 2girls1cup funny name and Thumper I hope you pass you GED test and can move out of you Mom’s one day. Thumper you’re everything that is wrong with internet MMA fans. Lesnar is by far more gifted than any other fighter in HW class. Did you see how Brock took Mir down like he was a 13 year old soccer player? Did you see Brocks un-Godly quickness at 280+? He was moving as fast a LW. UFC had to make him XXXL gloves cause hand. And yes he got caught in a knee bar but that is not why he lost; Mazagati is why Brock lost!!! Why after one (as you say LO force) hit to the back of the head (that Mir turned into, as it was coming down, I may add) did the Steve stop the fight and deduct a point. That was BS, plus in 2 years Lesnar will rule the HW class and be the NEXT BIG THING in mma. Brock may be the ex-WWE Superstar but it seems to me that Frank had the HEEL (bad guy) Ref on his side throwing the fight! PS 2girls1cup funny name and Thumper I hope you pass you GED test and can move out of you Mom’s one day.

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