Comments on: UFC 81 Discussion http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/ UFC and MMA News Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:09:22 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5.2 hourly 1 By: tom http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24924 tom Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:42:36 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/02/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24924 when i read these posts i am embarrassed and dumbfounded at the same time. it seems to me like a lot of you are reading into the matchup lesnar vs mir whatever it was you wanted to happen. to clear things up for you, mir won, he didnt win in any kind of dominating way, but he did weather the storm and win the matchup, to talk about what ifs like "what if the ref didn't stand them up?" is ridiculous. on the flip side i cant believe you guys that are posting like brock embarrassed himself and should go back to wwe. he is a big rookie right now and he was matched up poorly to his style. you cant deny that he has potential should he decide to stick with it. which i hope he does. final thought: it would seem to me that the heavy weight division is screaming for a standard bearer now that the amazing cotoure is out of the picture. is mir the guy? maybe, he was there before and certainly is the best submission artist in the weight division imo. is brock the guy? maybe in 5 years. if he stays with it. lets wait and see when i read these posts i am embarrassed and dumbfounded at the same time. it seems to me like a lot of you are reading into the matchup lesnar vs mir whatever it was you wanted to happen. to clear things up for you, mir won, he didnt win in any kind of dominating way, but he did weather the storm and win the matchup, to talk about what ifs like “what if the ref didn’t stand them up?” is ridiculous. on the flip side i cant believe you guys that are posting like brock embarrassed himself and should go back to wwe. he is a big rookie right now and he was matched up poorly to his style. you cant deny that he has potential should he decide to stick with it. which i hope he does.
final thought: it would seem to me that the heavy weight division is screaming for a standard bearer now that the amazing cotoure is out of the picture. is mir the guy? maybe, he was there before and certainly is the best submission artist in the weight division imo. is brock the guy? maybe in 5 years. if he stays with it. lets wait and see

]]> By: Brian http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24754 Brian Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:20:15 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/02/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24754 Markus J if Maz doesnt break the action just yells a verbal warning to brock, does Brock win the fight? It almost looked like to me when Mir rolled onto his stomach like he was ready to call it a night. Markus J if Maz doesnt break the action just yells a verbal warning to brock, does Brock win the fight? It almost looked like to me when Mir rolled onto his stomach like he was ready to call it a night.

]]> By: UFC Fan http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24636 UFC Fan Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:05:28 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/02/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24636 In my opinion, the best fight of the night was Tim Boetsch destroying David Heath. The kicks, knees, and throw into the cage to solidify the the inevitable TKO, was awesome!!! If Dana gives him the opportunity he earned/deserves, it won't be long before this guy will be straping a belt around his waist. Liddell, Jackson, and other's in this weight class, need to take notice, Boetsch is for real, and should be back soon. In my opinion, the best fight of the night was Tim Boetsch destroying David Heath. The kicks, knees, and throw into the cage to solidify the the inevitable TKO, was awesome!!! If Dana gives him the opportunity he earned/deserves, it won’t be long before this guy will be straping a belt around his waist. Liddell, Jackson, and other’s in this weight class, need to take notice, Boetsch is for real, and should be back soon.

]]> By: James R. http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24619 James R. Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:50:22 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/02/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24619 In my opinion, if a ref is strict on enforcing rules, it should be the same for all fighters. Did anyone else catch the Tyson Griffin vs Gleison Tibau fight? That fight was officiated by none other than Steve Mazzagotti. In the third round he gave not only one, but two warnings to Tibau for blows to the back of the head. Not stopping the fighters or standing them up. I saw 1 to 2 blows that landed in the back of the head. Which happened since Mir was turning his head trying to change position. I think if Brock would have been warned he would have been more careful and probably would have been able to end the fight. He had Mir in a pretty bad spot. In my opinion, if a ref is strict on enforcing rules, it should be the same for all fighters. Did anyone else catch the Tyson Griffin vs Gleison Tibau fight? That fight was officiated by none other than Steve Mazzagotti. In the third round he gave not only one, but two warnings to Tibau for blows to the back of the head. Not stopping the fighters or standing them up. I saw 1 to 2 blows that landed in the back of the head. Which happened since Mir was turning his head trying to change position. I think if Brock would have been warned he would have been more careful and probably would have been able to end the fight. He had Mir in a pretty bad spot.

]]> By: Jones http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24575 Jones Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:48:53 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/02/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24575 Gracie vs. Hughes = Horrible. I've thought on the situation that you've brought to light many times Markus J... and I'm never able to come up with an entirely acceptable resolution, so I'm sure that Dana and TPTB have the same trouble. I ask the same questions when it comes to who is most deserving... the Jardine example is a glaring one, he beats Chuck and then more or less hits a glass ceiling? This isn't fair at all... some would say, "Well, he caught Chuck at the right time." But, who cares? He beat him. I can defend Liddell vs. Silva from the standpoint that both men had lost 2 straight, so it turned into a situation where their backs were against a wall. I wish there was a situation where the 8 best from a division could go into a tournament ala old school UFC in a PPV. Throw the "supposed" top 8 heavyweights out there and let them battle it out over the course of a PPV, thereby eliminating the, "Well, why isn't this guy or that guy getting a shot?" type stuff. BUT, then you end up having guys get hurt, etc... which is also no good. We have different views on Lesnar obviously... I think that he will be very good in the near future, and find him to be a very interesting subplot to everything due simply to his endeavors over the past 10 years. Personally, I am more apt to be interested in a PPV that involves him due to wanting to see his progress, etc... (then again I also love watching Clay Guida matches.) So, the quandry with money begins there for Dana. If people are more interested in seeing Chuck, Brock, along with other high-profilers, thereby upping byrates it can only be expected that they would ask for and expect to make more money. It's a trap, that pretty much every professional sport has been forced into. Gracie vs. Hughes = Horrible. I’ve thought on the situation that you’ve brought to light many times Markus J… and I’m never able to come up with an entirely acceptable resolution, so I’m sure that Dana and TPTB have the same trouble. I ask the same questions when it comes to who is most deserving… the Jardine example is a glaring one, he beats Chuck and then more or less hits a glass ceiling? This isn’t fair at all… some would say, “Well, he caught Chuck at the right time.” But, who cares? He beat him. I can defend Liddell vs. Silva from the standpoint that both men had lost 2 straight, so it turned into a situation where their backs were against a wall. I wish there was a situation where the 8 best from a division could go into a tournament ala old school UFC in a PPV. Throw the “supposed” top 8 heavyweights out there and let them battle it out over the course of a PPV, thereby eliminating the, “Well, why isn’t this guy or that guy getting a shot?” type stuff. BUT, then you end up having guys get hurt, etc… which is also no good. We have different views on Lesnar obviously… I think that he will be very good in the near future, and find him to be a very interesting subplot to everything due simply to his endeavors over the past 10 years. Personally, I am more apt to be interested in a PPV that involves him due to wanting to see his progress, etc… (then again I also love watching Clay Guida matches.) So, the quandry with money begins there for Dana. If people are more interested in seeing Chuck, Brock, along with other high-profilers, thereby upping byrates it can only be expected that they would ask for and expect to make more money. It’s a trap, that pretty much every professional sport has been forced into.

]]> By: Markus J http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24569 Markus J Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:10:22 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/02/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24569 Brian, if you watch closely there are two separate times where Brock delivers a total of 5 punches to the back of Mir's head. The first 3 were let go, and Maz stopped it after the next series or 2. I am surprised a verbal warning wasn't given as well, and also surprised he deducted a point without warning, but bottom line is Brock did hit Mir in the back of the head 5 separate times. It's not allowed. When he got his back he should have sunk in a choke or mounted, spread him out, and taken his time with his punches. He was in too much of a hurry, and he broke the rules. Intentional or not, 5 shots to the back of the cranium in a no no. Rookie mistake. Maz did what he thought was right. It's not easy being a UFC ref, there is one corner and one side of fans who are never happy with your decisions. I give him props for stopping it and standing them back up. And to Tim D.. I couldn't agree more with you more about not being happy with the direction the UFC has been going as of late. Things really seemed to start going downhill for me with the Royce Gracie vs Matt Hughes fight.. and things have snowballed from there. Brian, if you watch closely there are two separate times where Brock delivers a total of 5 punches to the back of Mir’s head. The first 3 were let go, and Maz stopped it after the next series or 2. I am surprised a verbal warning wasn’t given as well, and also surprised he deducted a point without warning, but bottom line is Brock did hit Mir in the back of the head 5 separate times. It’s not allowed. When he got his back he should have sunk in a choke or mounted, spread him out, and taken his time with his punches. He was in too much of a hurry, and he broke the rules. Intentional or not, 5 shots to the back of the cranium in a no no. Rookie mistake. Maz did what he thought was right. It’s not easy being a UFC ref, there is one corner and one side of fans who are never happy with your decisions. I give him props for stopping it and standing them back up.

And to Tim D.. I couldn’t agree more with you more about not being happy with the direction the UFC has been going as of late. Things really seemed to start going downhill for me with the Royce Gracie vs Matt Hughes fight.. and things have snowballed from there.

]]> By: Tim D. http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24550 Tim D. Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:46:31 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/02/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24550 Great conversation Marcus J I enjoy an honest and intelligent view. I should also say that I'm sorry to the fighters just because I don't like him doesn't mean I should degrade them they deserve respect if they fight. A fan since 93 I'm just unhappy about the treatment of some fighters and the direction of the ufc. Great conversation Marcus J I enjoy an honest and intelligent view. I should also say that I’m sorry to the fighters just because I don’t like him doesn’t mean I should degrade them they deserve respect if they fight. A fan since 93 I’m just unhappy about the treatment of some fighters and the direction of the ufc.

]]> By: Brian http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24547 Brian Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:32:50 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/02/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24547 I am not to suprised that Mir caught brock in a submission, but anyone who thinks that maz stopping the action didnt help Mir is crazeee. Brock was punching at will and Mir gave him his back and Brock inadvertly hit him in the back of the head. It was not intentional. And therfore maz should have just gave Brock a warning instead of stopping the action. Lets face it if you watch the ufc frequently that has happnened a lot in this game and I ahve never seen the ref stop the action before. Maybe, just maybe Maz didnt want to see a former pro wreslter win. I am not to suprised that Mir caught brock in a submission, but anyone who thinks that maz stopping the action didnt help Mir is crazeee. Brock was punching at will and Mir gave him his back and Brock inadvertly hit him in the back of the head. It was not intentional. And therfore maz should have just gave Brock a warning instead of stopping the action. Lets face it if you watch the ufc frequently that has happnened a lot in this game and I ahve never seen the ref stop the action before. Maybe, just maybe Maz didnt want to see a former pro wreslter win.

]]> By: Markus J http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24538 Markus J Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:10:46 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/02/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24538 Tim D.... Yes, Jardine should have been ahead of Liddell, in line for a title shot after he beat him, and the big Silva vs Liddell fight shouldn't have even happened in my opinion. Not yet. Liddell was to be rewarded that fight IF he beat Jardine. And now, we will likely see the winner of Shogun vs Liddell get a title shot at the winner of Griffin vs Rampage in the early fall. So what about Keith Jardine, the man who beat both Chuck Liddell and Forrest Griffin? Well, truth is, he's just not as big a sell, so Dana will use him sparingly. Fair, no? But sadly, this sport has changed drastically in recent years. It's all about the money, the draws, and the big name fighters. Not so much skill and talent. Biggest proof of this is actually TUF. Serious, if you want to be a UFC fighter, just make your way on to the reality show. Win or lose, you will be rewarded with plenty of fights in the Octagon... on the TUF Finale, Fight Night Live, and if you win both of those, the next PPV card, maybe even the televised portion. I expect the Brock Lesnar push will continue, and we won't see or hear much of Frank Mir again... Why? That was some serious PPV buys, and with the 5$ increase in parts of the world, Dana is a very wealthy man... Brock is happy with his 250k for the loss and so the story goes. Half of us fans are disgusted, the other half don't care. This is the same reason Randy walked out on the UFC. It's becoming a spectacle. But then again, with the rise in popularity of the sport, what did any of us expect? Just my two cents. Tim D….

Yes, Jardine should have been ahead of Liddell, in line for a title shot after he beat him, and the big Silva vs Liddell fight shouldn’t have even happened in my opinion. Not yet. Liddell was to be rewarded that fight IF he beat Jardine. And now, we will likely see the winner of Shogun vs Liddell get a title shot at the winner of Griffin vs Rampage in the early fall. So what about Keith Jardine, the man who beat both Chuck Liddell and Forrest Griffin? Well, truth is, he’s just not as big a sell, so Dana will use him sparingly. Fair, no? But sadly, this sport has changed drastically in recent years. It’s all about the money, the draws, and the big name fighters. Not so much skill and talent.

Biggest proof of this is actually TUF. Serious, if you want to be a UFC fighter, just make your way on to the reality show. Win or lose, you will be rewarded with plenty of fights in the Octagon… on the TUF Finale, Fight Night Live, and if you win both of those, the next PPV card, maybe even the televised portion.

I expect the Brock Lesnar push will continue, and we won’t see or hear much of Frank Mir again… Why? That was some serious PPV buys, and with the 5$ increase in parts of the world, Dana is a very wealthy man… Brock is happy with his 250k for the loss and so the story goes. Half of us fans are disgusted, the other half don’t care.

This is the same reason Randy walked out on the UFC. It’s becoming a spectacle. But then again, with the rise in popularity of the sport, what did any of us expect?

Just my two cents.

]]> By: Tim D. http://mmafrenzy.com/1922/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24473 Tim D. Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:20:04 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2008/02/02/ufc-81-discussion/#comment-24473 sorry left out a word would not be fair to you. sorry left out a word would not be fair to you.

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