Comments on: Dana White Speaks: Couture’s Possible Return and The Unlikely Fedor-Couture Rumors http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/ UFC and MMA News Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:25:32 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sean http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-13210 Sean Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:43:50 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2007/12/01/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-13210 What I want to know is how do you lose 5 out of your last 9 fights (Randy) then all of a sudden your the number one conteneder for the HW title. I mean granted he won the title and he defended it... but how does that happen? and I bet it wouldn't have happened for any other fighter (except maybe matt hughes or rich franklin) What I want to know is how do you lose 5 out of your last 9 fights (Randy) then all of a sudden your the number one conteneder for the HW title. I mean granted he won the title and he defended it… but how does that happen? and I bet it wouldn’t have happened for any other fighter (except maybe matt hughes or rich franklin)

]]> By: Sean http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-13206 Sean Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:34:08 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2007/12/01/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-13206 When did Randy fight in Pride? I missed that too.. I do know the guys randy lost to were all known fighters (although none of them are really top 10)all knock outs or submissions. Enson Inoue Valentjin Overeem Josh Barnett (good fighter but after steroids I have no faith in true skills) Ricco Rodriguez Vitor Belfort Chuck Liddell X2 When did Randy fight in Pride? I missed that too.. I do know the guys randy lost to were all known fighters (although none of them are really top 10)all knock outs or submissions.

Enson Inoue
Valentjin Overeem
Josh Barnett (good fighter but after steroids I have no faith in true skills)
Ricco Rodriguez
Vitor Belfort
Chuck Liddell X2

]]> By: Del http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-13178 Del Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:35:20 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2007/12/01/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-13178 fedor, beats cro cop, who gets beat by gonzaga and kongo, no names, fedor, beats nog, who just about gets beat by overpaid bum herring. who was the last guy he fought again, oh yeah a middleweight, odds were really stacked against him in that one. Hes human bud, and randy would pull start him, over and over. And if hes number one cause he only lost one fight, better give bisping some more credit too, and who did randy lose all these pride fights too, never really followed him when he was a nobody fedor, beats cro cop, who gets beat by gonzaga and kongo, no names, fedor, beats nog, who just about gets beat by overpaid bum herring. who was the last guy he fought again, oh yeah a middleweight, odds were really stacked against him in that one. Hes human bud, and randy would pull start him, over and over. And if hes number one cause he only lost one fight, better give bisping some more credit too, and who did randy lose all these pride fights too, never really followed him when he was a nobody

]]> By: T-dawg http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-13101 T-dawg Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:22:27 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2007/12/01/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-13101 Everyone wants to forget that Randy got knocked out cold by Chuck Liddell twice and lost a bunch when he fought in Pride as well. Beating Tim Sylvia is no huge accomplishment. Chuck Liddell has lost twice to Rampage (who lost a bunch in Pride) and got beat up good by an unranked Jardine. Fedor definitely has a way better record than any of these fighters. Give Fedor the respect he deserves! Fedor is number one, and anyone who wants to be number one has to beat him. Everyone wants to forget that Randy got knocked out cold by Chuck Liddell twice and lost a bunch when he fought in Pride as well. Beating Tim Sylvia is no huge accomplishment. Chuck Liddell has lost twice to Rampage (who lost a bunch in Pride) and got beat up good by an unranked Jardine. Fedor definitely has a way better record than any of these fighters. Give Fedor the respect he deserves! Fedor is number one, and anyone who wants to be number one has to beat him.

]]> By: Shawn http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12975 Shawn Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:02:31 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2007/12/01/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12975 I'm not saying whether or not you're correct about the steroids but only that it's a possibility. With that it would be an argument against Fedor's dominance. In a sport like baseball where steroids will make you strong enough to hit more home runs, they benefit you. In MMA, steroids will make you stronger but they also slow down muscle recovery and increase your chance for injury. Anyone who disagrees go and look at those who have tested positive for steroids over the past 18 months in MMA. From what I remember not one of those fighers actually won. This is an astounding statistic. If the split was 50-50 or 60-40 or even 70-30 it could be coincidence but when 100% (or nearly) of those who tested for steroids lost, that says a lot. I’m not saying whether or not you’re correct about the steroids but only that it’s a possibility. With that it would be an argument against Fedor’s dominance. In a sport like baseball where steroids will make you strong enough to hit more home runs, they benefit you. In MMA, steroids will make you stronger but they also slow down muscle recovery and increase your chance for injury. Anyone who disagrees go and look at those who have tested positive for steroids over the past 18 months in MMA. From what I remember not one of those fighers actually won. This is an astounding statistic. If the split was 50-50 or 60-40 or even 70-30 it could be coincidence but when 100% (or nearly) of those who tested for steroids lost, that says a lot.

]]> By: Accomando http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12969 Accomando Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:42:00 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2007/12/01/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12969 "...And if anyone saw how well he fought in the bout against Heath herring will agree with me..." From Chicago, get the station Comcast Sportsnet which shows a lot of Fox Sportsnet (FSN) content, and they had on "Best of Pride part 5" like 2 weeks ago. The show had 3 great fights from Pride, and one of the fights they showed was Big Nog vs. Sho-Gun, which was an amazing fight. Brutal action the whole time. So I analyzed that fight and then Sho-gun's fight vs. Forrest and then Nog's vs. Herrings (I have DVR, it rules) So anyway, point of this story is to say, that one could very easily see that BOTH big nog and sho-gun were roiding during their Pride fight. I mean, sho-gun looked emaciated against forrest, and big nog looked like he was 50 years old when he fought herring. Flame away if you like, but the amount of Back-ne that Sho-gun was sporting in that PRIDE fight of thiers sealed the deal for me. I guess its an argument for Fedor's dominance, he was fighting a bunch of dudes juicing on riods right up until the day before they fought (Nog x2, maybe the Cop, Randleman, Coleman) and he still whooped them, very impressive. “…And if anyone saw how well he fought in the bout against Heath herring will agree with me…”

From Chicago, get the station Comcast Sportsnet which shows a lot of Fox Sportsnet (FSN) content, and they had on “Best of Pride part 5″ like 2 weeks ago. The show had 3 great fights from Pride, and one of the fights they showed was Big Nog vs. Sho-Gun, which was an amazing fight. Brutal action the whole time.

So I analyzed that fight and then Sho-gun’s fight vs. Forrest and then Nog’s vs. Herrings (I have DVR, it rules)

So anyway, point of this story is to say, that one could very easily see that BOTH big nog and sho-gun were roiding during their Pride fight. I mean, sho-gun looked emaciated against forrest, and big nog looked like he was 50 years old when he fought herring.

Flame away if you like, but the amount of Back-ne that Sho-gun was sporting in that PRIDE fight of thiers sealed the deal for me.

I guess its an argument for Fedor’s dominance, he was fighting a bunch of dudes juicing on riods right up until the day before they fought (Nog x2, maybe the Cop, Randleman, Coleman) and he still whooped them, very impressive.

]]> By: Leland Roling http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12967 Leland Roling Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:24:15 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2007/12/01/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12967 If the rumor mill stands correct this time around, Randy Couture is done. If Nogueira is taking on Sylvia, Couture has declined to fight Nogueira, unless White and Couture came to some agreement on another fight, which seems illogical considering both of those guys are in line for a shot. Regarding the comments about Couture and Liddell, stylistically, Liddell has a style that can baffle clinch wrestlers. Liddell just sticks and moves, and he has very good takedown defense. It isn't a huge surprise that Liddell can beat Couture. I don't know if Henderson will absolutely crush Silva. We have yet to see Silva's ground tactics to full capacity, it'll be a good fight. I would tend to move toward Henderson winning though. The comments regarding Mixfight and M-1 Global are actually incorrect. Mixfight is still seperate of M-1 Global. If you haven't read, Mixfight continues to make contradicting statements about fights and M-1 Global has to come out and tell everyone the actual news. I read an interview with Finkelstein stating that they have had issues with the language barrier and Mixfight as far as the communication with M-1 Global's American partners. From what I understand, their stable of fighters will simply move over to M-1 Global, although I doubt they will sign all of them. If the rumor mill stands correct this time around, Randy Couture is done. If Nogueira is taking on Sylvia, Couture has declined to fight Nogueira, unless White and Couture came to some agreement on another fight, which seems illogical considering both of those guys are in line for a shot.

Regarding the comments about Couture and Liddell, stylistically, Liddell has a style that can baffle clinch wrestlers. Liddell just sticks and moves, and he has very good takedown defense. It isn’t a huge surprise that Liddell can beat Couture.

I don’t know if Henderson will absolutely crush Silva. We have yet to see Silva’s ground tactics to full capacity, it’ll be a good fight. I would tend to move toward Henderson winning though.

The comments regarding Mixfight and M-1 Global are actually incorrect. Mixfight is still seperate of M-1 Global. If you haven’t read, Mixfight continues to make contradicting statements about fights and M-1 Global has to come out and tell everyone the actual news. I read an interview with Finkelstein stating that they have had issues with the language barrier and Mixfight as far as the communication with M-1 Global’s American partners. From what I understand, their stable of fighters will simply move over to M-1 Global, although I doubt they will sign all of them.

]]> By: pecker http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12937 pecker Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:14:58 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2007/12/01/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12937 i heard monson was first to fight fedor... i belive his stock and brute sterngth could submit fedor.. i belive randy would beat fedor also... and i agree i think he is the best p4p right now... not last year but now. some people say that about gsp or anderson... i dont agree... just my opinion i heard monson was first to fight fedor… i belive his stock and brute sterngth could submit fedor..

i belive randy would beat fedor also… and i agree i think he is the best p4p right now… not last year but now.

some people say that about gsp or anderson… i dont agree… just my opinion

]]> By: Sean http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12932 Sean Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:28:35 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2007/12/01/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12932 I didn't bad mouth anyone.. just stated my opinion.. I love you internet tough guys.. lol I never said randy was not good I just stated in my opinion he is not the best. PERIOD. and as far as bein a MMA newbie how many MMA fights have you had Russ? or do you just sit on the couch drinking beer talking crap on the internet? I didn’t bad mouth anyone.. just stated my opinion.. I love you internet tough guys.. lol I never said randy was not good I just stated in my opinion he is not the best. PERIOD. and as far as bein a MMA newbie how many MMA fights have you had Russ? or do you just sit on the couch drinking beer talking crap on the internet?

]]> By: Shawn http://mmafrenzy.com/1629/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12931 Shawn Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:06:42 +0000 http://mmafrenzy.com/2007/12/01/dana-white-speaks-coutures-possible-return-and-the-unlikely-fedor-couture-rumors/#comment-12931 John - Thanks for pointing that out pal. Either way I never claimed M1 was going to "fail soon." What I was saying that if they were to indeed fail in the near future that would allow Fedor to once again potentially pop up in the UFC. Also it is really of no relevance whether or not M1 has been around for 2 months of 2 decades. It basically comes down to arguing semantics. Being that M1 never competed on any major scale and now with the recent popularity of MMA have signed Fedor and are now players investing serious cash, there's no difference between them and a start up company. When you have a small company with cheaper fighters you're investing a much smaller amount so you have a smaller risk. Once you make a big investment (ie Fedor) you have to do certain things to make it pay off because you're risk is much larger. It's the same thing as when a company decides to go public, they're playing an entirely different game than they were beforehand. So while you're right M1 has technically been around for years it's just an issue of semantics and that small fact has no significant impact on the overall situation. John -

Thanks for pointing that out pal.

Either way I never claimed M1 was going to “fail soon.” What I was saying that if they were to indeed fail in the near future that would allow Fedor to once again potentially pop up in the UFC.

Also it is really of no relevance whether or not M1 has been around for 2 months of 2 decades. It basically comes down to arguing semantics. Being that M1 never competed on any major scale and now with the recent popularity of MMA have signed Fedor and are now players investing serious cash, there’s no difference between them and a start up company. When you have a small company with cheaper fighters you’re investing a much smaller amount so you have a smaller risk. Once you make a big investment (ie Fedor) you have to do certain things to make it pay off because you’re risk is much larger. It’s the same thing as when a company decides to go public, they’re playing an entirely different game than they were beforehand.

So while you’re right M1 has technically been around for years it’s just an issue of semantics and that small fact has no significant impact on the overall situation.

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