Chael Sonnen has failed his post-fight drug test following his UFC 117 loss to middleweight champion Anderson Silva, testing positive for an undisclosed performance enhancing drug after the Aug. 7 event in Oakland, California, the California State Athletic Commission has confirmed to Sherdog.
If upheld, Sonnen will face up to a one-year suspension that will likely scrap his immediate rematch with Silva, which had been slated for January or February.
“If it’s true, I feel really bad for him,” Silva’s manager Ed Soares told Sherdog. “I know he did it to himself but it is really sad, he put on such a great performance that night. It is just a shame it will be tarnished.”
Sonnen backed up his trash-talk and provided the best challenge yet to the middleweight king as he dominated Silva over four-and-a-half rounds in the UFC 117 main event, but was ultimately submitted in the final minutes.
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I for one hope he gets cut after everything he s said accusations about other fighters juicing and he s guilty himself. He couldn’t beat silva while on peds and silva having broken ribs I hope he finally shuts up
Wow what a shock, and i thought he was kicking his a$$ on his own, he is a loser and will lose his title shot now i hope…. CHAEL talk all that B.S now big guy….. ha ha
LOSERNo fighter bashing. -BSBiz
After all that trash talk, Really? I hope it is true, so he can finally shut the hell up. What a joke..
On the Other hand, i was really looking forward to the rematch. So it’s kindve dissapointing. We’ll see what happens here..
This is disappointing to me. Chael’s performance against Silva impressed me and made me want to see him fight again. His loud and entertaining personality made me want to watch him promote that next fight. But now that he’s tested positive for cheating… Strikeforce?
He’s not going to be cut. He’ll be on a suspension for either six months or a year depending on the outcome of any appeal.
It is still a possibility for the UFC to cut him based on failing the drug test, but it will likely not happen, unless Dana wants to make an example of him.
Why would they make an example out of him when other guys have failed them and haven’t been cut?
Ya never know what Dana is thinking. Maybe because it was a title fight, maybe because he dominated Silva so much. Just because it isn’t likely, doesn’t mean it’s impossible, that was my only point.
No. I’ll repeat: Dana won’t cut him. Consider that Sean Sherk tests positive for a steroid after UFC 73 after successfully defending his title against Hermes Franca. Not only was he not cut, but his very next fight was against BJ Penn at UFC 84 for the Lightweight Championship.
I’d be in full support of Olympic style drug testing after all any fighter whose not using has nothing to worry about. Nate lost to Chael in his previous fight and he was obviously juicing then too
Com’on man, nothing is “obvious” except for the fact that bot Nate Marquardt and Chael Sonnen both passed their drug test(s) post UFC 109
http://mmafrenzy.com/13163/ufc-109-drug-tests-come-back-clean/
Check out the pics of chaels back from 104 109 and 117 theres your proof right there. If a fighter knows how to correctly cycle on and off the juice then the tests will come back clean. You’d be very foolish to believe that just because a test comes back clean that no ones taking stuff
No one is saying takig steriods may or may not happen but if there is no REAL proof, than there is no reason to crucify anybody until we know the full facts.
Pictures of someone’s back is not proof. By claiming that he was on them, without actual proof, you are guilty of libel and defamation of character.
@dbiz — In the US there is a public figure doctrine under the law of defamation of character, which allows people to talk about public figures (Sonnen) as long as the accusations are not reckless in nature (having no basis). Sonnen has backne wich is a clear sign of steriod abuse, then Sonnen failed a urinalysis. Therefore there is no wrongdoing. He is a cheater, and we can all say it.
Having acne on your back is not a clear sign of steroids. It suggests steroid use, but to say that just because someone has acne on their back they’re on steroids is reckless in nature. Not to mention irresponsible.
And there’s also the little detail that we still don’t know what it was that he tested positive for. If it’s not steroids, a lot of folks are going to look really stupid.
@bsbiz it turns out it was a natural steroid.
The public figure doctrine does apply with Sonnen as long those that posted the pics with the suggestion post a disclaimer with it.
@theagent – Saying so ABOUT 117 may be covered. Saying that it is also proof of use at 109, where HE TESTED CLEAN, is not.
Public figure doctrine does not allow you to disparage someone when HE TESTED CLEAN simply because of back acne. Read what you said (and I’ll paraphrase how it comes across). “He had back acne at 117 and tested positive for something which has not been named. Therefore he CLEARLY was on something at 109, despite the fact that his same urinalysis tested clean then.”
As bsbiz mentioned, back acne is NOT CLEAR proof. If it is, my fat ass is on steroids at various times. And anyone who has met me will be more than happy to tell you that clearly is not the case.
For those reasons, saying that he was CLEARLY using at 109, where he did test clean, is NOT ok, even under public figure standing. He tested clean. That means there must be MORE proof before that claim is not reckless. I see no disclaimer on either of your posts that you have no solid proof of steroid use at 109. You have a picture of pimples.
@dbiz — First, picturing your “fat ass” with back acne actually made me laugh out loud, well done. I only posted once to say Steve has the right to make accusations of illegal activity by a well known person under the public figure doctrine based on images of a side effect and a failed drug test. I do not have proof, nor do I claim to have proof. I also did not say he was CLEARLY on steriods, but rather there was a photo of the side effect, which is readily known as a side effect. The picture of the acne provided by the frenZy: http://mmafrenzy.com/files/2010/08/Anderson-Silva-and-Chael-Sonnen-UFC-117.jpg
@dbiz – I thought we had decided on “big boned”, as opposed to “fat”.
Plus everyone knows that Skyline fights backne…
;)
“Sonnen has backne wich is a clear sign of steriod abuse”
Really, is that what you said? Cuz I figured that bacne is a clear sign of needing to see a dermatologist…
@jcohl — Skyline fights backne and is a great source of protein. It is like a medicinal miracle. Man, I miss home. I did not realize so many people on the frenZy are from the Nati.
@theagent – unfortunately there are no Skylines as far as west as Las Vegas and Reno, which is where I have been living and working for years.
bsbiz first turned me onto Skyline, and I’m looking forward to it as soon as the UFC drops another event on the ‘Nati, and hopefully I have enough money to make it out there…
;)
@dbiz — Back acne is a clear sign of steriod abuse the same way constant wiping and scratching your nose is a clear sign of cocaine abuse. I am not speaking in absolutes, there are people with bad skin and there are people with runny noses, but you have to be logical. Back acne with the addition of a failed test looks similar to rubbing your nose while holding a bag of white powder.
I think you are confused on what a “clear sign of steroid abuse” means. Positive drug tests are clear signs of steroid abuse, back acne is SOMETIMES ASSOCIATED WITH. By calling it a clear sign you are saying that anyone with it is CLEARLY ON STEROIDS.
You are trying to save face about this but you are wrong. A guy with a clean steroid test and back acne is not CLEARLY ON STEROIDS unless you are wishing to cross a line into recklessly accusing a public figure of something.
He tested positive at 117. He tested clean at 109. He had back acne at both. Are you really meaning to say that CLEARLY he was on steroids when he passed the drug screening – after all, back acne is a CLEAR SIGN of steroid abuse??? Public figure doctrine doesn’t cover you then, sir.
@dbiz — I am not confused, a clear sign means it is clearly a sign. I believe it is you who is confusing signs with proof. Acne = sign, failed drug test = proof. If you find your friend’s phone number in your wife’s phone and his underwear in your bedroom, that is a clear sign she is cheating on you. Her pregnant with his baby is proof.
I did not say he used PEDs during any of his other fights. I simply argued the right of another poster to make that accusation based on the signs he felt were relevant.
wth is this ” skyline ” stuff you’re talking about? when i read/hear ‘skyline’ i think of my GTR32 nissan skyline i have in my garage
Skyline is awesome, and only in Cincinnati.
@the agent… ya thats great and all but WTF is it?
Skyline is Cincinnati style chili.
I think that the UFC made a mistake with Sean Sherk after he tested positive from his fight with Hermes Franca. He got suspended for 6 months, and in his first fight back, he got to fight BJ for the belt again?!@# That’s ridiculous. After Chael finishes serving his suspension, he shouldn’t get a title fight right off the bat.
It is the athletic comession not the UFC who hands out suspensions.
wow are you kidding me after all that tough talk, how embarrassing.
Wow this came out of left field. Chael can kiss that immediate titleshot goodbye.
I hope he loses a nut now after all of the “armstrong juiced and that is why he got cancer” what a joke well I guess SF has a new MW
As pointed out above, he’s not going to be cut for testing positive. He’ll be suspended for either six months or a year depending on the outcome of any appeals.
did not think so,but with all of the talk he has done with anti steriods, talk trash about almost everyone in the UFC then dana thinks he found his man to dethrone silva and this i could see dana thinking it over at least
Nah. Not when he hasn’t set that precedent with a whole bunch of other fighters who have tested positive, some of whom of significantly lower stature than Sonnen.
Unbelievable … I think a lot of peoples minds are going to change about Chael now …
Whats worse is a lot of people started liking him all over …
Vitor/Silva baby
when u talk all that trash, u got to “back it up”
who cares he would of lost the belt the next time he had to face maia. maia subd him in a half a round. he gets subd alot!! so if he cant beat the guys with real good bjj how good is he. and he got one good standing punch, and the only time he hurt spider on the ground was probably when he punched him in whatever rib was bad. the punches to the face looked like they bothered spider but its not like they where doing real damage. chael fights like a 155er almost never finishes anyone let alone anyone good!!!
wow shocker..very true chael talked a lot sh1t about fihlo taking peds and now this…after 117 i really respected chael as a fighter as most people did, but now hes a flat outjoke..
Very devastating for Chael and all of the people that have been on his nuts
Chael doesn’t deserve an immediate rematch for being submitted so it looks like things will work out correctly after all
c’mon now… no matter the issue clean it up and no bashing-Chris L.
bad form old man…Im glad to see this happen becuase personally I dont think Chael deserved an immediate rematch. He couldnt even finish Anderson, much less make him bleed, Sonnen is a joke. And to any people who read my opinion and disagree…keep in mind its MY OPINION and if you dont like it get over it
You can write “it’s my opinion” a hundred times but that doesn’t mean its right. And telling people to “get over it” if they don’t like your opinion doesn’t make your argument stronger.
@Lex415 , you’re right, but how many times have we tried to tell posters in the last year that “in my opinion” isn’t a universal permission slip for fighter-bashing, personal attacks, or other forms of trollism.
Good try though, bro, and maybe someday it might actually get thru to some posters…
I said it was done here, so it’s done.-Chris L
@Jcohl I try ;)
If there’s a problem with the comment we’ll take care of it, so let the mods handle it and respect their right to post regardless of their opinion. No more posts are needed here and anymore will lead to moderation.
Look how close Chael was to winning a decision over UFC undefeated champion Anderson Silva..Imagine how much more f’d up this would be if Chael had won that decision and then this comes out now
To me this makes perfect sense..I have always thought Chael Sonnen was a decent MMA fighter but in his last two fights (especially the Silva fight) he looked like a completely different fighter than the guy who was afraid to take down Paulo Filho who ironically was clearly on performance de-hancing drugs at the time of that fight
I know fighters can improve but going from “decent” to suddenly looking like he is ONE OF THE BEST MW’s in the world..I gave Chael props for controlling the best P4P fighter in the world for 20+ mins..It never even crossed my mind that he might be juicing but THIS DOES SUDDENLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE
I can not believe this is true….I really hope this is some sort of mistake or it was something that is legal but it mixed with something and made it illegal.
This could send the UFC back a lot. The guy made that PPV sell! The rest of the card was great too.
Let’s see how Dana White addresses this….
Many sources are reporting that the medications Sonnen took for the flu could have been the source of the failed test. Tamiflu aids in allowing cells to stay hydrated by blocking the spread of the virus and Amantadine has off label uses for treating fatigue. So let’s not rush immediately run to he was taking steroids guys. It’s terrible for Sonnen but he’s a politician and he’ll find some way to spin this.
I’m curious if his coach is has passed the Bar exam in Cali…
Wrestlers stick together always ;)
But seriously I understand that some flu and/or cold meds have a trace amount of specific steroids in them, but to my knowledge if you tell the CSAC that you are sick they will give you a list of meds that are deemed
legal to fight your illness.
yeah yeah… the Noguera-Silva MMA rash guard in my closet begs to differ about my feelings on Chael ;)
Yeah they have the metabolites that can test positive but actual steroids will kill someone that has the flu. CSAC doesn’t exactly have a good history with granting appeals though so I think he’ll have to serve whatever suspension he’s issued. Even if you were taking something for a legit reason they’ll usually just shorten the suspension but they won’t do away with the suspension if you didn’t notify them ahead of time.
I say this not as a Sonnen fan but even if Anderson Silva who I can’t stand were on video taking juice before every fight it wouldn’t bother me in the least. Some f***ed up laws in this country.
he didn’t break any laws that we know of… he violated a regulation of a commission… big difference
I realize that. I’m pointing out that in America most people have very ignorant views of what an athlete goes through. I’ve trained athletes and can tell you that whatever they might take does NOT improve athletic performance nor will it cause long term health issues(as long as the person taking the “drug” is not an idiot about it). What any so called PED does is helps the body recover from training that would put most people in the hospital after 1 session. If you want to see healthy athletes perform let them take whatever they want.
Well I for one know what an athlete goes through, I’ve been an athletic trainer, a wrestler, etc..
Anything that can lead to an athlete having psychosis in a sport where it’s easy to kill someone is something that is banned for a reason. Most people aren’t going to take it correctly, that’s why the rules are in place.
Also, it’s not just the United States that believes it’s dangerous as there’s an entire world agency dedicated to stopping performance enhancing drugs in sports.
I just enjoy the “Dirty Boxer(s)” pic of Chael
Wow just as soon as I go on record saying how much I like watching this guy fight and that he’s the sh!t in the cage, this comes out. Bummer for me because if it turns out that he was juicing then he loses all respect from me and I won’t care to watch him fight any more. Here’s hoping for both Sonnen’s and the UFC’s sake that what chrisl said is the case, but if not I know he’s unlikely to be cut but I hope Dana comes up with some way to own him in his face.
@ Chrisl. First off the psychosis is a myth I have never once seen documented proof that and type of steroid has cause so called roid rage. But thats besides the point. Hnestly what is the difference between training for 6+ hrs a day pushing trough injuries leaving home ect and taking something to help you succeed?
The psychosis is not a myth as it’s a broad term that includes depression and rage, psychosis is just abnormal brain. I do not believe in “roid rage” but I’ve seen the depression that comes from discontinuing roids. That’s related to the hormonal imbalances associated with synthetic testosterone causing the body to not produce it naturally.
Your question makes no sense at all, are you asking what is the difference between making sacrifices that everyone else has to make as well and taking something that might help you cut corners to succede that everyone else isn’t doing? The simple answer is that the first one is legal and the second one is illegal. End of story… there’s no justification anyone can make for taking steroids or any other PED as long as they are in fact illegal.
Just because something is illegal doesn’t make it morally wrong(lets not forget alcohol was once illegal). Also like alcohol the reason behind PEDs being illegal is also totally BS. But hey thats just my opinion, not saying you don’t make a good point but for me it just falls short.
Alcohol is a banned substance under CSAC, you show up drunk or if you’re found to have been drinking before a fight you’re still suspended. Not to mention you’d likely never get a license again.
Morally wrong and taking banned substances are EXACTLY the same thing. By breaking the rules of the sport you compete in you are therefore cheating. Cheating is morally wrong.
Also, let’s be clear I’m talking about illegal under the commission rules, not federal/legislative rules. Technically, striking someone with intent to do harm is illegal but it’s common in the sport.
hey quit making us Dans look stupid
never liked sonnen and now i have more reason to dislike him. I didn’t think he deserved an immediate rematch either so if the commission lays down a suspension as they should he won’t get his rematch! thank you chael!!!!
Like many i was wondering to myself about the bacne. until this.
Well after he does his time, I wish him well, hope to see him back in action, maybe he’ll work on some other aspects of his game like sub defense, subs/catch wrestling, bJJ. Guess he won’t be running for public office. He isn’t exactly losing the belt but he does owe Lance Armstrong a nad.
Guys guys guys there’s I good excuse he was talking to much shit to realize he was taking peds.
Never respected him as a person, but I do hope y’all are right that he won’t get cut.
The idea that his talk was OK because he fought a great fight. .. I never bought into that one either…. but the conviction will cast a different light on a guy who was practically going to move in with Dana. MMA isn’t in all states or Provinces yet. and this coupled with the trach talk won’t speed that up.
anyway,
while,
Chael could potentially beat Anderson by what we just saw.
Vitor could knock KTFO Anderson.
Palhares in spite of what we just could make him tap.
Maia i believe in spite of the very weird fight could tap him as well. I still believe that things weren’t as wacked as they looked and Maia never stopped posing a threat. Rnd 5 Chl vs Silva is a case in point.
Marquart is #2 in the division in my eyes but I don’t know if he matches up AS well with Silva.
Not saying I’d bet money against Anderson but the image of a fighter being as good as the results in their last fight never worked for me.
This is very disappointing news. If Chael did in fact violate the drug policy / regulations for performance enhancing drugs, he should have to endure the repercussions for such actions. His comments about Lance Armstrong were highly inappropriate from the start; they are even more so now considering his apparent drug test failure. If he was in fact taking illegal performance enhancing drugs, his comments about Lance were highly hypocritical. Further, if Chael did take illegal performance enhancing substances, it would also make him a cheater. Such actions are bad for any professional sport; particularly for a relatively young sport like MMA, which has gained a lot more acceptance over the past several years. Use of illegal performance enhancing drugs can really set the sport back in the public’s eye; just look at professional bodybuilding as an extreme example of this. We want the sport of MMA to gain further recognition, not lose it. If Chael did use such illegal drugs, this makes him a poor representative for the sport of MMA. In fact, all of his crap-talking also makes him a poor MMA representative. MMA is a true sport, and not just sheer entertainment like the WWE. Perhaps Chael should head over to the WWE were such behavior seems to be encouraged. For a legitimate sport, such actions (particularly illegal drug use) make a mockery of the sport of MMA, and causes the sport to lose some of its credibility — at least in the general public’s eye. This is bad for business, particularly in regards to corporate sponsorships and the like. From how Chael was carrying himself, he gave the appearance that he was a straight-shooter, which gave him a lot of credibility. If the illegal drug use allegations are true, then Chael unfortunately has disrespected and made a bit of a mockery of the UFC, MMA in general, as well as the sport’s fans. What a joke . . . .
Couple of things jump out at me here:
– First, best of luck to the mods in trying to keep the lid on things here at the frenZy. After reading some of the stuff thats gotten thru, I can only imagine how much garbage they’ve already had to take out, and how much more they’ll have to deal with when the week starts.
Sonnen is a divisive figure, so I’m thinking that he and his ongoing appeals process will dominate the MMA newscycle for the foreseeable future.
Or until a bigger name than Sonnen fu<ks up and/or loses.
So now all of you kindly STFU so we can hear Anderson Silva giggling his narrow a$$ off down on the beach in Rio.
;)
– Second, we all need to pump the brakes on the Sonnen-bashing, as tempting as it may be, until we know all the FACTS, as a couple of the mods and posters have already pointed out.
As of right now, we collectively don't KNOW sh!t.
All the article says is that someone from the CSAC talked to someone over at Sh!tdog, thats it.
Other sites are all carrying the same story.
IF, and its a huge if, but if Sonnen tested for something truly out of bounds, the issue can be revisited then, and the Sonnen haters and Silva supporters can release the hounds.
However if we find out in a few days or a few weeks that Sonnen scragged the post-fight due to some flu medication or whatever, there are going to be some posters looking awfully stupid based on what they've posted here thus far.
Certainly not all, but definitely some.
Plus, there is an entire appeals process to be worked thru before anything definitive and more importantly informative will drop and finalize.
And to nip any contrary and inflammatory response posts that ultimately lead to one of the mods calling for order, please consider that if Ed Soares and/or Anderson Silva haven't said much on the matter, and GSP knows that they have the right after all the sh!t they've had flung their way from Sonnen, then maybe those of us who've never had a pro MMA fight, or managed a pro MMA fighter, should hold up and wait to see whats the what, if you follow.
– Third and finally, I could care less what some CSAC rep or Sh!tdog is reporting. I'll wait until I hear something cement from Dana White.
You remember him, the nice guy who pretty much makes the North American MMA motor run, and the reason some if not all of those SAC reps across the country have jobs, or at least work as frequently as they do?
DW will let us know what we need to know, and when we need to know it.
After all, none of us have the vested interest that he does in sussing out the truth and separating the facts from the fiction [if any].
The UFC has put a lot behind Sonnen, promotionally speaking, and I highly doubt that they are going to jump the gun on shutting down an investment thats finally showing serious returns.
If Sonnen "juiced", then I'm sure that DW will handle it in house, in addition to any CSAC penalties.
If Sonnen falsely tested, or shadily tested due to cold medicine or something, DW will handle that too, and either way he won't even remotely consider "cutting" Sonnen, as some have posted.
The guy is an attraction, and unless he suddenly loses the power of speech will remain so, and will remain in the UFC.
Why would DW cut the guy loose so he can sell tickets for Strikeforce or Bellator or SharkFights or Impact FC?
Think about it, and lets not let the fact that most of us can't stand a sh!t-talker cloud our judgement and reason…
Can’t stand sh!t talkers? Then how do you account for so many postings? ;)
Now THATS funny…
:)
haha touche. I thought this was for comments. Not ur daily diary entry.
@jcohl the article isn’t just quoting a CSAC rep but rather the Executive Officer George Dodd. That’s as big as you can get.
@chrisl – yeah, apologies, I caught that after reading the article and doing some follow-up…
I’ve been on this board and others expressing my dislike for Sonnen and the way he sold this fight. I don’t mind trach talk, but there’s talk, and then there’s TALK. Enuf of that though….
IF, and I say IF we find out the test found actual PED’s and not some sort of false pos due to flu meds, then Sonnen should be punished. How? Suspension for sure. Got to do that. Loss of title shot? Absolutely. If this is a case of PED’s,
then beating Marquardt on them (if the pics I saw online of his “bak-cne” before his fight with Nate are indicactive of that) meant he cheated to get his TS andIF he was on them for his fight with Silva…we’ll he cheated there as well.Now, I still respect Sonnen of being able to control Silva for 22 minutes, PED’s or not. Yes, IF he was on them, it helped, but roids don’t make you better at takedowns. So some of that performance was all Chael and some of it all PED’s.
But, if he earned his immediate rematch on the merits of his inital fight, a we all know that he did, he should be stripped of his rematch as the results of that match are “fruits of the posionous tree”, as his performance was tainted by the PED’s.
I know there are some that would disagree…and that’s cool…but if you’re going to punish a guy for cheating…and for cheating by using PED’s (IF this is true that is), then that punishment has to have teeth. A hefty suspension, possible fine, and the loss of his TS woudl serve as an example of a fair an just punishment.
Just one MMA fan’s opinion.
I for one am disappointed…this only gives the trolls and naysayers of MMA more ammo with which to further denigrate the sport.
he passed his tests after the Marquardt fight, so let’s keep the accusations down to 117-Chris L.
Suspension and fine is not handled by the UFC. Or more clearly, THE UFC CAN NOT SUSPEND/FINE A FIGHTER. They can only control his next match. Period. Tying that to his possibly (yes, even highly likely) losing a title shot makes it sound like you don’t know how the system works.
I am very disappointed in this news, though the lack of a public statement by anyone leads me to believe this is not the smoking gun it could be made out to be. I’m still disappointed. I was looking forward to the rematch. It was Silva’s chance to show that it was the rib injury that led to that fight going the way it did for most of the duration. It was Sonnen’s chance to show that he actually was better if he was able to not get caught in a submission the second time.
Ultimately, the fans are the ones that lose in this situation. We get to miss one hell of a fight and one hell of an entertaining run up to the fight.
nowhere in his post did “mmahawk” say the UFC controls suspensions or fines. he just thought Sonnen should be suspended fined and lose his title shot if in fact he tested positive to PEDs n not flu meds or w.e else it could be.
Except that the suspension is independent from loss of title shot. The suspension is handed down by CSAC (the same entity that administered the test) and the UFC has absolutely no say in that. The title shot is granted by the UFC and the CSAC has nothing to do with that either.
The banned substance list goes way beyond steroids. The guy could have had to much caffeine in his system, or taken ADD meds or even pain killers. So let’s not go criticizing his domination of silva or calling it void just yet. And depending on the drug will probably also depend on the suspension.
Did no one read the Sherdog article? It specifically says “Dodd did not state which banned substance was red-flagged, but with a clean drugs-of-abuse scan it is clear the positive test was for a performance-enhancing substance.”
What he didn’t test positive for:
-marijuana
-cocaine
-opiates
-painkillers
Agreed…everyone needs to hold judgment here until more FACTS are brought to light, we need to wait and see what exactly he’s being ACCUSED of.
I also agree on your other point, Sonnen dominated Silva, of course a lot of Silva supporters are probably jumping all over this. But Roids or not I think Sonnen just exploited/exposed a BIG hole in Silva’s game that most of us who aren’t blinded by Silva’s greatness knew about all along…Silva has no wrestling/tdd. He’s shown that weakness in the past and Sonnen did a great job of exploiting it.
Everyone’s talked about a matchup between Silva and GSP, and imo after watching Sonnen g’n'p Silva for 4 rounds I don’t think that fight would be much different. I think Georges would dominate Silva with his wrestling, only way Silva wins is by catching him (of course with Silva’s amazing striking that is always a possibility).
flu meds?
cough.
You know, if its true, its sad. But I do have to say, in both the Silva and Marquardt fight, Cheal could go and go. I was really impressed. But hey, Ben Johnson could go and go too. And just because he passed his drug tests in the past, doesn’t mean he wasn’t using. Maybe it was the pressure of the belt, that made him use just a little more, for just a little longer. Sorry for the speculative nature of my words, but IF Cheal was using PED’s, it probably isn’t the first time.
I hope it isn’t true, for the sake that once you cheer on the underdog, it becomes really hard to hear that it wasn’t “all him”. You know?
LOL @ flu meds
I remember Dana White tweeting how “amazing” it was when Sonnen was controlling Silva..Dana looks bad if he lets Sonnen slide on this one
Dana has nothing to do with any suspensions. That’s handled by CSAC and no one else.
So does the winner of Okami/Belfort take his place? I think if in fact he is taken outta the rematch with Silva, that Marquardt should take his place
I think bdiz is right, we should’nt be jumping to any conclusions just yet. We have’nt heard anything from a UFC rep,(Dana White) or Chael, or anyone who reps him. I just can’t see him taking PED’s after everything he has said about people that do. But who knows man.
Im about to drive down to Team Quest with a tape recorder and get some sort of statment from him right now.(if he is there) He!! it’s only three miles from my house.
And I meant dbiz…sorry man.
It would be great to hear that he was clean, it would. right now the Lance Armstrong bashing seems like the mole mole mole scene in Austin Powers!
Punish accordingly but I sure look fwd to seeing him back in UFC
Although i’m on record of publicly yawning at his trash talk, I’ll be the first to say that he’s a great mixed martial artist, never liked hearing him talk but love his fights -
Although he tends to stick to one gameplan it’s a good one the way he does it. It’s still amazing how he controlled Silva, it’s still because of great skill in spite of the obvious.
It’s due to Chael that maybe we’ll all look at the division for what it is.
Chael and potentially Vitor match well against Spider.
Palhares and Maia match up well against Chael.
Anderson we see now as beatable, although.
Nate matches well against anyone and while Chael clearly controlled their fight Marquart really turned the tides – albeit too late. I’m more excited about that rematch than Chael vs Silva anyway.
Maia vs Palhares interests me although those kind of fights can range from static neutralization to amazing the off the charts ‘clinics’, I find that hard to predict.
So what’s next?
Vitor Silva.
Nate vs. the winner.. or someone else first that like… Okami.
Or sorry, don’t hate me I wanna see Nate fight Palhares again. I’m probably the only one here on that, but Palhares is so skilled and tenacious in his approach that I wanna see him fight Nate for more than 30 seconds. Those guys are both very strong but have different skills.
And if it’s true…I think he should be punished for sure, but let’s be honest here…do you honestly think that taking PED’s really helped his chances of wining the fight?(im sure im gonna start a keyboard fight with that question)
Trust me I get it that it’s an unfair advantage, and it helps him recover in between rounds, and whatever. But it did’nt help him defend the triangle/armbar any better.
I don’t see Thalies Leites going in there and doing to Anderson what Chael did.(that’s not a bash on Leites either) Im just not sure how much of a difference it makes. I think that if it comes out it’s true…then we need to be talking about how great Anderson is as a champion.
Just because he failed his test does not mean that he is to blame.
Look at what happened with Sherk… wasn’t he cleared in the end? Maybe I have my facts wrong but it rings a bell somewhere that Sherk was getting a banned substance into his system through another supplement.
Anyone help me out here?
I thought Sherk got something that came out on the FDA’s big “Banned” list which made certain prohormones illegal to manufacture but not to use, i.e. superdrol, methyl masterdrol (Mark Mcguire)
Actually, the compounds are illegal to distribute.
Sherk had his suspension reduced but not erased. He did not ever attribute it to a supplement but rather maintained that a testing error led to the positive test. In the end he was stripped of the belt but Dana believed Sherk and allowed him to fight for the belt after serving his suspension. So in the end he was not cleared by CSAC, but Dana forgave him.
if you guys already know about these things and seen people screwed in the past why risk your career and your image for some stupid supplments that are shown to prove nothing but make in your mind think u are unbeatable….what happen just at being good at something….and regular protein shakes….pills and everything else are just fakes just like prescription drugs…Chael messed up and who cares what he did he still lost it just make him look more stupid….
btw just to let you know …
an over the counter protein shake is technically a performance enhancing drug … it is filled with amino acids … which help with the prevention of break down of muscle while working out …
nothing is natural these days … even chicken …
Which doesnt mean the athletic commission isnt okay with protein shakes … but … imagine the recovery time without a protein shake …
I have done it before with and without a protein shake and its a world of difference in recovery …
actually Raj most protein shakes don’t contain PEDs though some of the specialty “booster drinks” they sell in gyms everywhere do contain them.
I agree they dont contain peds … and they arent drugs at all
But they do enhance recovery time
AND agreed about the booster juices !
it may start a keyboard fight – but sorry it’s a good and complex question – do PED’s produce wins ?
- Enough fighters seem to believe it enough to do’em.
Is it possible that PED’s make a difference more for fighters who have a relentless power driven style, perhaps more than a Maia type? Dunno. at least the 185 threads are not only about Anderson’s greatness ALL the time
This is depressing news.
I was really looking forward to the rematch, and it’s lead up.
*I’m sure most Silva fans, and his management, are secretly letting out a breath of relief that their “Mr. Invincible” can now avoid another embarrassing beat down (& potential loss of his title).
Dont be so quick to accuse him of “juicing” everyone. Let me note that in ’09 that bigfoot silva got popped on a positive Boldenone test which was caused by ATD(Novedex XT) which is a readily available and LEGAL supplement sold over the counter which I have used as well. Not only him, but several MLB and MLS athletes have suffered the same results while using this supplement.
http://www.steroidreport.com/2008/10/26/soccer-players-test-positive-for-anabolic-steroids-after-using-androstatriendione/
Let’s just see what comes out in his official statement, shall we?
and legally he’s still in the wrong in the eyes of any commission because you can by many substances that are readily availible and legal over the counter but illegal under the rules of the commission. It may not be “juicing” per say but he still violated the regulations.
I don’t think anyone is arguing weather or not he violated regulations. I’m saying the regulations are stupid and non-realistic. Not to mention the regulations are based on archaic and backwards thinking.
@Chrisl
I was trying to find a list of banned substances by CSAC because im curious to know if and what Prohormones/OTC supps on there. I couldnt find anything like that on the website. do you happen to know where I can get it?
@ckdiesel
The CSAC rules were drawn up fairly recently using the NCAA’s guidelines I put below. Also I included the CSAC licensing Q&A section scroll down and it will answer questions about that but the NCAA gives more examples.
http://www.dca.ca.gov/csac/forms_pubs/faqs.shtml
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/53e6f4804e0b8a129949f91ad6fc8b25/2009-10+Banned+Drug+Classes.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=53e6f4804e0b8a129949f91ad6fc8b25
@Chrisl
Thanks for the research. I like in the NCAA regs there is a big heading that says “There is no complete list of banned drug examples” IMO there needs to be something more specific because something like that can come from a fighters sponsor.
@ckdiesel I had the NCAA site from when I competed a few years ago and just so you know they update the hotline at the bottom reguarly.
The issue with supplements comes from the fact that if something is classified as a “supplement” it is considered a food and therefore exempt from FDA testing. Meaning that it is not known the risks/benefits that come with taking the supplement. When harmful effects or effects mimicking illict drugs are reported about a supplement it is then forced to submit to testing to see what the source compounds are and then they can be pulled from the market. The most recent examples are the BALCO trials and going a few years back to the weight-loss drug issues.
Our coach laid it out to us pretty simple, if you contact the site listed and they say “it’s ok” then take it. If you contact them and they say “no” or “we have no information” then avoid it like the plague. The thing is that response to anything in the supplement world is always reactive because it’s impossible to be proactive with companies finding new ways to cheat the system.
Lmao…. this is the second time anderson has beat somebody who failed the drug test. This man is a freak. I don’t see him getting beat if chael and irvin couldn’t even win after drinkin they gatorade cocktails.
Irvin was on a pain med cocktail. Not juicing.
i remember after the fight me and some others came straight to blog…Chael should be a shame to disrespect the sport and call himself A FIGHTER ….I knew he was fake and even more embarrassing that he was on steroids and still couldnt knock out silva….he is a low level fighter and no matter on steroids or not he was never good enough to fight silva and if dana gives him the fight …dana is a piece of shit…..he should give it to some real fighters….chael is a loser and just juiced for strength and speed and still couldnt win….just proves how great silva is…..I bet everyone feeeeeelllllllssss stupid who said their was finally a guy who could beat silva….you guys are idiots…..
who has the can of tool spray?
@notorious joe – dude, you may want to pump the brakes on the fighter bashing, the Dana White bashing, and generalized poster bashing.
The mods are taking people off the count for posting outside of the established frenZied guidelines, so you wouldn’t want to get modded for something like this, right?
A lot of us aren’t cool with Chael Sonnen, and a lot of us weren’t BEFORE this latest bomb dropped.
Nonetheless, Sonnen did expose Anderson Silva’s weakness/es, and we don’t have a shred of proof that even IF Sonnen legitimately took some sort of PED, that it had any effect on the fight.
Remember, Sonnen beat Marquardt and both guys aced their post-fight screenings…
Yea so shane carwin … is also a disgrace to the sport no ?
What about coleman >?
What about others who havent been caught …
get real !
let’s try to keep the unfounded accusations down-Chris L.
Anyone who violates the rules of the sport they compete in will forever have to deal with being branded as a cheater and will have to deal with the labels wherever they go. Sadly, that’s also true of the guys who make the “little” mistakes.
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Sweet Merciful Jesus.
I have to believe the mods are going to be hitting Kris up for overtime pay, based on some of the stuff I’m reading on this thread…
;)
im also curious to know if an athelete took a pre workout supplement … does that count towards a ban …
I know jack3d is banned in canada … is something like this also bannable ?
if so then people need to leave chael alone …
there are a ton of things he could have done … like eat a poppyseed bagel hint hint friends episode ;)
See above for what I said on the issues about supplements and CSAC’s stance on them.
And nice tv reference.
He didn’t test positive after eating bagels. Pay attention. He passed the test for drugs of abuse, and opiates would fall under that category.
Hey jcohl
Never posted until recently but have read a ton of your posts …
Thanks for keeping it real … thats what mma needs right now …
keep it up
yeah me neither man, but every article i read i check for jcohl’s comments he’s like the Yoda/Gandalf of mmafrenzy, hope this doesn’t get to your head but keep up the awesome job man, and don’t take a vacation anytime soon we’re gonna need you these next couple days….
I don’t know if I’d go that far, but he usually knows what he’s talking about.
jcohl view is usually the one I look out for first bit is the 20th September jcohl appreciation day or something. I admit I was interested to hear his thoughts on this matter but yoda of the frenzy? There sure are some unbalanced people out there.
If I were you jcohl i’d be worried, Iceman & Raj sound like budding Mark David Chapman’s
@jpmm – it runs about 50/50, and a few of my friends here at the site have advised me not to take posts too seriously, either way.
Roughly half the frenZied get me, and half don’t.
The half that don’t have a field day personally attacking me, posting nonsensically underneath me, riffing on my name, whining about how unfair it is that I sometimes use big words, how I try to employ some framework of logic and factuality to my posts, and how I mostly keep things based in what actually happens in the cage.
They’re entitled to their opinions, and the mods generally let them fire away [within reason] because they know I have a thick skin and don’t sweat it too much.
When it gets too heated, the modding starts, and/or the poor vicitm I’m “sparring” with gets saved when a mod “declares” an exchange finished, which is their right and I always try to respect that.
Plus its not like I don’t occasionally unload when my troll tolerance meter redlines, so, y’know, turnabout and all that ;)
Honestly I prefer informative and spirited exchanges, which is how I first “met” most of the people I consider friends at this site.
And more often than not even they disagree with my admittedly narrow MMA POV, but I’m trying to be more receptive.
Nonetheless I won’t be “WAR’ing” any fighters, and I never try to overtly personally attack another poster, a courtesy hardly ever extended to me.
I point out where they’re off-base, and try to clue them in.
If they aren’t interested in reasonably discussing MMA, and/or learning more about the sport from those who know more, then I become legitimately confused as to why they’re at the frenZy.
There are countless MMA sites that allow and almost encourage posters to engage in sh!t-talk and keyboard drama.
The frenZy isn’t one of them, which is why I’m here everyday.
And will continue to be until such time that the rewards stop outweighing the drama….
@jcohl
I meant no disrespect, I hope I didn’t come across to the contrary. I have to admit, when I first started to read your posts I used to think “who is this guy?”, whereas as now yours is generally the point of view i look to first, in fact I was slightly disappointed it took you 3 hours to post your thoughts on this topic yesterday.
@jpmm – no worries, we’re all good bro.
And sorry it took me awhile to respond, but I’m on left coast time, and my hours are fairly irregular, especially on weekends.
And its true that for awhile there I was posting pretty humorlessly, and more “AT” people than “TO” people, if you follow, which was my bad.
I’ll try being nicer, and hopefully that will result in some of the personal attacks and other crap that detracts from the frenZy’s overall quality diminishing, and the overall MMA IQ of those less familiar to rise…
;)
@jcohl
You seem like you’re intelligent with what you do, so would you happen to know what (PED) Chael Sonnen was taking? Also, is this for sure or just rumors?
If he does fail this test, than I think they should give him Wanderlei Silva when he gets back from his suspension. That way he still gets to fight a Silva and a good middleweight. It’s too bad if he does fail this test and doesn’t appeal it. That will for surely show he’s guilty and his bout with Anderson Silva will be tarnished. For his sake and the sport of MMA I hope he passes.
It’s for sure he failed the test, CSAC is supposed to be issuing a full statement later today. The director said he’d release what the drug was today. As of right now it’s just known it was a “steroid substance.”
@bsbiz – at least I do when I’m talking about food…
;)
come on stop being so dumb….how can you even put a protein shake in a category such as juicers….Come on it had to be a full blown steroid but just not labled as a steroid….they say what the say about it being disclosed so the fighters reputation doesnt get bent…..bottom line is chael took a steroid not a supplement…..and his rep is already bent because he talked so much sh** and still lost.
Some supplements (including protein shakes) contain compounds that will register on a steroids test.
Mods?
I have gone on some rants here in the past, I’ve even been warned about a few things, and I’ll probably be warned again someday. I state my opnions, there are certain fighters I just really don’t like, and I’ve been in arguments with some of the regulars here. BUT I don’t think I’ve ever gone on personal attacks, I’ve disagreed with people, but calling people “dumb” is just an indication of you, and you as a person. Your steroid accusation is coming from your ignorance, I am not saying he didn’t, but we still don’t know all the facts. Drug testing is NOT an exact science, they definitely do not have this perfected by no means.
I am not offended at being called “dumb” by some guy who thinks he knows what he’s talking about, but I’m sure some people are offended by it. Please stop attacking your fellow mma fans with remarks like those.
Given that he flunked a whiz quiz and it wasn’t a drug of abuse (according to the linked article), steroid speculation isn’t unfounded. In fact in this case, it’s reasonable.
As far as not being an exact science: fifteen years ago when I started swimming in college, the technology existed with enough sensitivity and precision to detect a sugar cube dissolved in an Olympic-size swimming pool. Technology and methods since then have only improved. The only reason it’s not exact is because there are drugs being developed.
#100
Let’s everyone reserve judgement on Sonnen until we find out a) if it’s true, and b) what ped he tested positive for. It’s pretty common knowledge that peds take on many forms from cutters to bulkers. Who knows if it was a ped? It could be coke for all we know…..it just says “banned substance” or undisclosed ped. So we don’t know anything right now. Chill out.
The story also says he tested negative for drugs of abuse. Which cocaine would fall under.
this might be a silly question but its the first one that comes to my head about this. sorry if this have already been asked or answered.
Is there any medication that contains anything with PED that Chael would of taken to get him thru his cold/flu/whatever it was.
…Or you could read the questions and answers and see before you ask the question.
The answer is that no one knows what he took or even what he tested positive for. The only thing we know is that it was not a drug of abuse.
thats a ton of comments to read thru… i dont blame him for skipping them… it took me a half an hour to read thru them… maybe im just slow :)
Such is the price you have to pay to stay up with the conversation. And besides, reading is good for you. Kind of like broccoli.
I initially read this thread yesterday and remain stunned even now. I find it incredible that Sonnen would do this seen as though he runs his mouth at every given oppotunity.
As jcohl intimates above is probably wise to reserve final judgement until we hear something solid from Dana White or an official UFC statement but if these accusations are as reported then man, what an idiot.
Good, glad to hear. like previously stated I’ve been warned for some comments, but some people go wayyy too far and need to be banned.
haha
Hahahaha ….
“jchol is the yoda of Frenzy ” …….
……… maybe if yoda sat around in his undies all day collecting unemployment , drinking red bull & eating taco bell while blogging on mma sites .
hahaha
JK ….. :)
@drdoom – of all that noise you posted, the Taco Bell thing really hurts.
As a pro chef I’m offended at what they sometimes send out as food, and have the ba11s to charge people for, so if I were to live like a fringe dweller, it would be In and Out Burger wrappers all over the floor, and not the odious Taco Bell…
;)
Curse you for mentioning In and Out Burger.
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.
You know how sometimes some clueless clown will talk louder and slower when trying to deal with someone who doesn’t speak English?
I’m going to try the posting frenZied equivalent on the matter of Chael Sonnen getting cut from the UFC, which several of us have REPEATEDLY posted is not going to happen.
Please excuse the caps lock’ing, but I don’t know how better to make the case…
ATTENTION:
CHAEL SONNEN WILL NOT BE GETTING CUT FROM THE UFC, EVEN IF HE HAS KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY TAKEN PEDS.
Thank you, and have a great frenZied day everyone!
;)
Well dang… i cant beleive this after all the talk he did about it.. for him to be put anywhere near performance enhancing drugs is crazy…
but lets give him a chance to give us his side and for us to find some facts i wish they would get right on the facts so we can know wat exactly happend
i personally dont care for sonnen much but he put on a great fight.. was really looking forward to the rematch..
i do find it hard to believe that it would jus be something he took to get over the flu.. its got to be common knowledge of what stuff you can and cant take.. and for someone that has been fighting as long as sonnen he has to know..
he has to of had the flu b4 and not taking any of the banned stuff soo why this time…
did we ever get any facts on the Carwin thing. sorry kind of off topic just wondering if we ever got closure on that
There really isn’t anything in the Carwin story more than was already mentioned. It didn’t happen while he was in the UFC so the UFC is taking no action and he never failed a drug test so other than dealing with the allegations there’s no more to it than his initials were on a list that was used in a trial.
It is scandalous the way MMA handles drug cheats, because that’s what they are. How many high profile fighters have now been caught – quite a few but there doesn’t seem to be much concern coming from the major promotions! Like athletics before it, the sport has a major drugs problem. No wonder, when fighters are only getting max 1 year bans or 6 months. It should be a minimum of 4 years like other sports and life if they repeat. A fighter juiced up on drugs could cause serious injury or even death to his opponent.
Does anyone know what (PED) Chael Sonnen was taking and is this for sure?
I reccomend you two private message each other
Has anyone heard anymore on this story?? Any updates?
Or is this just a Jcohl popularity contest vs himself? I guess you are just a polarizing figure
I reccomend you private message each other
Has anyone heard anymore on this story?? Any updates?
Or is this just a Jcohl popularity contest vs himself? I guess you are just a polarizing figure
Chael has 30 days to appeal this and if he doesn’t than he’ll be suspended until September 2 2011. If he does appeal then it will also take a lot of time to deal with this issue. Even if he appeals and beats this, it will still take too long for Silva vs. Sonnen 2 in January or February, so he’ll have to give up his title shot. The name of the (PED) will be announced either today or in the next few days. I hope he beats this. If not, Wanderlie Silva when he gets back. ;)