UFC’s Shane Carwin Linked to Steroid Case
Posted by Kris Karkoski on Aug 15, 2010 at 12:00 pm ET63 Comments
Recent UFC challenger and former UFC interim heavyweight champ Shane Carwin has been named by federal prosecutors as one of 22 professional athletes who obtained steroids from an Alabama pharmacy, according to AL.com.
The athletes were named on Friday at the sentencing of a supervising pharmacist, who was found guilty earlier this year along with four others for illegally distributing steroids from 2004 to 2006.
According to prosecutors, Carwin’s name was on steroid orders along with several baseball players, professional wrestlers, and body builders.
Carwin has not yet responded to the accusations.
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That doesn’t mean he is guilty of anything.
You know that and I know that, but this will open the flood gates for the people who believe everything they read and make assumptions.
Yes, Carwin is big and muscular, but it doesn’t mean he did steroids. Lesnar is big and muscular, but has never failed a drug test. He was accused of recieving steroids through the mail, but the substance was tested and proven NOT to be steroids. People STILL think he does steroids.
I just shake my head and tell people like that to “have a nice day”…
If its true Dana better cut him. This is a sport that requires actual talent and not fake potential. Hopefully its not true
It is sad for you to say this.
Because then your heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar would need to be cut to. You can’t tell me when he was in WWE that he wasn’t juicing up.Also the dates in question Carwin wasn’t into the UFC atleast two years after these dates. How can you justify to get rid of someone because of there past. If this is the case Quinton Jackson, anyone who got into trouble should be gone. Along with the guys like Shawn Sherk who got busted for enhancing drugs. All in all, Shane Carwin isn’t going anywhere, he might have to answer to the courts, but Dana will not cut him. I’m far from a Shane Carwin fan, but I don’t agree with your above statement.Lesnar has never tested positive for any banned substances at any competitive level. He never tested positive in the WWE either (they do steroid testing). Unless you have proof other than “It looks like it, so it must be so,” anything further is fighter bashing and will be dealt with as such. -BSBiz
you cant legally prove lesnar took steroids. but they should do what they do in all sports and fine and suspend carwin for a year which sounds like a long time but thats like two fights it will drop carwin in the rankings and make him prove he belongs and get back on dana whites good side
but only fine and suspend carwin if hes proven guilty
Your comment is actually worse! I’m a Carwin fan and not a lesnar fan! However as far as I know Lesnar has never been linked to steroids and your just pulling this out of the air. Your guess really means nothing and what Carwin has done in the past really means nothing either!
Wow dude your way out of line there…they do steroid testing in every sport and that includes professional wrestling…and Brock has never tested positive for them…so know what you are saying before you say it. If Carwin is proven guilty suspend him…thats all there is to it. If not all is the same as it is now.
Your right I was out of line. This is not fact, but my opinion.
For the facts though, the WWE didn’t have a steroid testing policy while Brock Lesnar was in the WWE. After the WWE started their testing policy it indicated after that even though the WWE informed the wrestlers that they would soon have to submit to random drug testing procedures, that still 40% of those tested where positive. I didn’t mean to bash on Brock, because I know he has no artificial talent by any means.
http://www.steroid.com/blog/2009/01/03/congressional-investigation-reveals-professional-wrestlers-use-steroids/
“I didn’t mean to bash on Brock, because I know he has no artificial talent by any means.”
The sarcasm is not appreciated.
I wasn’t trying to be sarcastic. I am a former All American and big fan of college wrestling. I know what it takes to do what Brock has done in the past. I admitted that I was out of line what I said in my original post. What I meant by that comment is that I respect the talent that Brock Lesnar has, I respect him as a fighter as well with quite a few amateur fights under my belt. He has evolved quite rapidly and it showed in the cage with his sub win over Carwin. The man is a freak of nature and that is all there is to it.
Thank you BSBiz!!! I completely agree with you on that one. People like to make accusations and assumptions, but they never seem to have any PROOF!!!
So in other words you cant have an opinion on this site… Just like bloody elbow
Wow somebody said lesnar might have done steriods while he was in the WWE?? SHOCKING!! And for your info BSBiz, there was NO steriod policy in the WWE while brock was under contract.
Opinions are perfectly acceptable and encouraged. However, throwing out stuff that is intentionally inflammatory and borderline (or worse) libel (as in unfounded steroid accusations) is not acceptable. Some lines are not to be crossed. If you look back at many of the threads on this site, you will see that we allow and encourage opinions of varying quality. However, we do not allow some things, such as fighter bashing, unfounded accusations, etc.
If you took the time to look at the interview Ken Shamrock did with Lesnar you will hear it come right from the horses mouth so make sure you know what you are talking about before you post stuff.
@tabithasmom2us what interview with Shamrock?
If you genuinely believe that, I pity you. If you have nothing positive to contribute… -BSBiz
not cool to make accusasions that have no merit, guys.
Oh dear. Everyone will now come out and accuse everyone else of doing steroids. Bad form gentleman.
I hope this is just some sort of misunderstanding or something that will not harm Shane Carwin anyway.
This is the steroid era. They have his information of obtaining steroids. I just wonder how many times and when he used.
The records submitted by the prosecutors indicate that the stuff was shipped between April, 2004 and August, 2006. It is important to note that nowhere is listed exactly when or how many times or the end destination of the substances. Plus, he has never tested positive for anything that I have been able to find.
Dana White will not cut Shane Carwin. Shane has never tested positive as a UFC fighter. If he had, then maybe that would be something to consider. I belive that this was several years ago anyways. It has nothing to do with his career at this point in time. He has always tested clean with the UFC and that is all that matters in my opinion. In addition to that, there have been a few fighters that have tested positive…I dont recall them being cut outright. Can anyone confirm?
It’s been stated and proven that piss test do not detect all steroids just as blood test do not, if the UFC really wants to crack down on steroid use then it needs to do a massive test using both methods for all its fighters starting with the next PPV unless they can somehow legally do a massive sweep right now (which will cost big $$$$, the blood test are not cheap). Personally I’m a Shane Carwin fan who cannot stand Brock Lesner – I hope he is innocent.
No urine test detects the steroid itself. It detects the compounds the body turns the compounds into (the metabolites). And please cite your source for the statement, else it’s rubbish and purposely inflammatory.
Yes but they are always coming out with new steriods that are not testable yet… HGH is not testable.. The performance enhancing industry is ahead of the testing at this point.
If you want to believe that everyone is doping and just hasn’t been caught, feel free, but this is generally considered a paranoia free zone.
And for your information, RedEyeJedi, there is a test for hGH. It’s not a urine test, though, it’s a blood test, which no athletic commission requires.
can’t they test your hormone levels to see if you have been you using steriods? or is that what you guys are talking about
I am a carwin fan also don’t worry about what they are talking about because they are hoping they will throw carwin out because next time he will really take it to lesnar’s ass and walk out with the belt.
There is no proof yet and no reason for accusation. If it is true, the article read that it was back in 06′ before carwin was even in “the big leagues”. He might have cleaned up by then. Not saying it’s ok at all, he11 i think it’s pretty gay BUT, let’s wait for a carwin response and some evidence before we start talking $hit about a guy who the whole world was jockin just a few months ago…
Even if they prove that Carwin did in fact used steroids from 04-06. The UFC shouldn’t take any action against him. Carwin joined the UFC a couple years after that. He has passed every drug test required in the UFC so far.
Why does one watch any sports? (this is a loaded quesiton by the way). We watch them to be entertained! If said athletes need to take performance enhancing supplements to entertain the masses than so-be-it in my opinion. I don’t condone using especially when the media is all over it (e.g. Carwin’s Case) because this is how the information is relayed to the public, especially children. With that said, if the media doesn’t make a big deal of it then kids would not be in the know of which of their favorite athletes are using. Just my .02
So what’s worst he took steroids or he took steroids and STILL could NOT beat lesnar? haha
Maybe the reason he got beat by Brock Lesnar is because Carwin evidentally don’t have very good cardio. Could you imagine if it went into the third round. Lesnar would of been able to breath heavy and Carwin would of fell over.
Honestly who cares steroids shouldn’t be considered cheating anymore that going to a training camp should be Everyone needs to relax.
Are you ufc’s drug tests random, or do they only get tested at fight time? If they only get tested at fight time, it isn’t rocket science to train all along with them and have them out of your system so that you don’t fail a fight time test. I’m not saying anyone used steroids, I’m just pointing that out.
And while nobody has failed a drug test, it is pretty damning to be on a list of people that had steroids shipped to their doorstep.
People are naturally going to wait for Carwin’s reaction before jumping to conclusions, but I’d bet any money his statement will look something like “I have had no prior or present dealings with APS, and I have never taken PED’s in 04 or now. I would like to remind everyone that I have never failed or refused a drug test.”
carwin is not guilty
Your argument is overwhelming! you must be right!
brock never used steroids…..he is a natural strength…he is a monster.
People; he passes all of his pre and post fight drug screenings. Therefore, He is no chris leben or sean sherk. No suspension unless he fails a drug screening period. (Sorry lesner fans, he will come back and fight Lesner again, and knock him out.)
i’m actually a lesar and carwin fan, i hope that shane isnt a fraud. as long as he hasn’t used in the ufc thats what matters. he is the only one i see giving brock a run for his money in the near future so i hope he doesnt get into trouble over this.
I’ll be the first to say that you can have any opinion you like, but there should be some kind of facts, logic, or more importantly… PROOF behind it.
Standing outside at noon on a sunny day and saying you can’t see because it’s pitch black out is NOT an opinion…it is ridiculous, just like some of the things I’m reading about Carwin and Lesnar having done steroids.
In this country, we are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a Court of Law. If you don’t like it, too bad. Go run for Congress or something and try and change the laws.
If Carwin was under contract with the UFC, and it is PROVEN in a Court of Law that he has committed some kind of crime, then I would think the UFC might do something. It has to be proven though, otherwise it’s just an accusation.
I think a lot of the comments here are lame. That’s my opinion, and if you want proof, just read some of the comments above…
You are presumed innocent until proven guilty, and while receiving steroids from a lab or being in possession of steroids doesn’t mean that you’re doing them, it doesn’t bode well for public opinion. I realize that Carwin has never failed a drug test, but if he did in fact receive steroids from a lab and we do want to give him the benefit of the doubt, wtf was he doing with them? I’m a huge fan of Carwin and will reserve judgement until we hear from the man himself, but I’m also not naive either. If he did for a fact receive the steroids, it’s the kind of thing, IMO, that doesn’t have to be proven in a court of law that he actually injected them. Because it’s the kind of thing that there can really be no other purpose for possessing them, unless you’re dealing them. But we’ll see what comes out in the coming days.
Int he United States, you are innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. And that only applies to your legal guilt. Using that notion to stifle opinion – especially opinion with some evidence behind it (i.e. your name appears on steroids orders) tramples all over another of our Constitutional rights. And that one comes earlier in the document.
I’m not saying that Carwin did steroids and I’m not saying that Carwin didn’t. I am saying that anyone who says that I can only form an opinion if something is proven in court is not sticking very strongly to the values the he clings to with “innocent until proven guilty.”
Anyone who says they believe Carwin may have done steroids AT SOME POINT has facts and logic behind their statement. His name is attached to records produced at sentencing in a steroid case. Facts and logic. Proof, they do not have. But no one has proof that Bonds did them, and no one has proof that OJ killed his wife. Public opinion, however, still lists both as guilty.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
Very good points, I love the legal banter. Although, quick correction, there is proof that Barry Bonds used steriods. He failed a steriod test. The list was illegally released, I believe it is the same list that had A-Rods name on it.
that list only connected them to a dealer, it did not say they did them. All the Mitchell report did was form a list of players that had contact with the various dealers.
There are two lists in baseball: the Mitchell Report, which as you said, listed people who had contact with various dealers (most notably Kirk Radomski) and the list from 2003 of players who “anonymously” tested positive during baseball’s trial testing program. There is likely a fair amount of overlap between the two.
Many would argue that the most important court in this country is the court of public opinion…
Roids or not …. MMA is here to stay.. and everyone can cry or ****.. but fact is we all still going to watch it.. just like football.. basket ball and base ball… same crap… it dont matter..
Man o’ Man…this comes as a surprise to me! Shane Carwin is the model man of the heavyweight Div. Humble, smart, powerful, and ends fights in violent fashion (we all love to see that!) ….if his wins were steroid based….i say keep him Dana…but make an example out of him as well at your own discretion so that the world may see MMA does NOT and will NOT tolerate cheating by use of illegal “enhancement” drugs or otherwise. I really Like Shane Carwin and i personally do NOT think he was on steroids for the Lesnar fight.The fact he gassed out/froze up COULD be an implication…but i believe if he did in fact do steroids, it was prior to UFC116.
I’m actually offended to read some of the statements on this thread.
IMO some of you should be grateful that I’m not a mod, because some of these comments wouldn’t have seen the light of day, and at least one of you would be on moderation [if you aren't already].
YorkYid is 100% correct in posting:
BAD FORM GENTLEMEN…
Guilty or not, he tested clean for each of his UFC fights. There is no stipulation that says a fighter can juice while training. It only states that a fighter has to be clean on fight night. right or wrong that’s the deal.
The allegations are from 2004 anyway….has no real bearing on today. Whether or not he juices, he’s always been clean for the drug tests, and that’s all that matters anyway.
The real is issue w. Carwin is lactic acid no?
Carwin said that I thought. Or something similar….to most of us it just looked like he punched himself out in the first round.
There is always a way to cheat, and people will always do it. I am not saying anyone is here, just that there is no way to test for everything. I am waiting for the day that fighters begin blood doping. While it is totally immoral, I don’t think there are rules against it in MMA. Just think if some of the gorillas in the UFC like Carwin or Lesnar had the endurance of a guy like Guida.
I’m just thinking if Carwin could go from the baddest man on the planet for 3 minutes, to the baddest man for 5 as that would have for sure shut down his last fight in his favor
Sigh, imo I think Carwin got dehydrated from cutting too much weight to fast. As far as steroids go,that was 4-6 years ago people need to calm down, there is no reason to think he is still on them, there has been people that have abused many forms of drugs in the past, dosnt mean they still do.
Innocent until proven guilty…especially in this day and age when one organization’s star can be tarnished by suspicions and innuendo. If I was the UFC I would institute the best, state of the art, testing procedures and police my own fighters by levying stiff suspensions and penalties against any of my fighters caught using them. That way, it wouldn’t be up to outsiders and no one could say that I am turning a blind eye to the problem or trying to sweep it under the rug because it looks bad.
The problem is that it is the Athletic Commissions who handle all of that. And anything like that would have to be written into the fighters’ contracts in the future.
Damn, seems like a real nice dude about to get alot of hate!
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