A Scrutinizing Look at the Arrest of Din Thomas
With a lackluster start to the week in the mixed martial arts world of news, I decided to check out the situation that had occurred in Florida involving Din Thomas. I had read about the arrest warrant being published on the Internet and decided to write this piece revolving around the arrest and the possibilities for Din in the case.
Din Thomas was arrested on October 30th for holding an unsanctioned mixed martial arts activity in Port St. Lucie, Florida. The official charge was for “prohibited competitions”, which is a felony in the state of Florida. In the article in the TCPalm, it is claimed that 2 fighters were battling it out in a cage with over 150 people watching. The charges were again summarized as being pushed onto Thomas because he was “promoting and selling tickets to an event without any regulation”. After checking out the investigative report that led to the arrest warrant being issued, some light has been opened up into the case that could potentially put Din Thomas in jail for up to 5 years. Let’s take a closer look into this case. The Facts
In order to get a fairly clear view of what occurred at the event that was held at an industrial warehouse in the Port Lucie area, we need to lay out the facts according to the report and to Din Thomas. Normally, the report would be fairly biased since the police are doing the investigation, but they did manage to sit in on an event and interview Thomas about what was going on prior to getting an arrest warrant. Let’s break it down:
- The event was held at an industrial warehouse in which Din Thomas rented space from a lady who rented the warehouse for a gymnastics school.
- According to Florida law, you must have an occupational license to hold gymnastics, mixed martial arts, karate, boxing, and other sports involving contact and the potential to be hurt. The license allows you to own a business that works with those types of physical activity that could have the potential for injury.
- There were 5 to 7 fights, all amateur bouts since the fighters were not paid.
- There was no head gear, small MMA gloves only, and no medical staff.
- There was a $10 raffle charged for a contest to win I-Pods and American Top Team merchandise.
- There were no weight classes for the fighters.
- The actual owner of the warehouse space had no knowledge of the events and the lady renting space out to Thomas had no knowledge that her occupational license didn’t cover Thomas, nor did it cover mixed martial arts.
- Mixed martial arts is not allowed in the state of Florida except in training.
These are most of the big facts that came from the report that led to the arrest of Din Thomas. On paper, the claims by the police look overwhelmingly bad to the average citizen who isn’t inclined to watching an MMA fight or seeing two guys stand toe-to-toe with each other in a warehouse. All of these facts look to have Thomas in a bind, but there seems to be some loopholes as well as a good amount of support for Thomas. I think there are two sides to this case and in my opinion, the possibility that Thomas could face at least a small charge are at about a 50% chance. For right now, it could go either way. I’m going to break down both sides of the argument and the way I see this thing going.
The Good
Thomas has some loopholes that he can exploit in this case. His lawyer, Corey Sucher, claims Thomas did not break the law that he is being charged with breaking. He states in another article at the TCPalm that the statute that claims the bouts were illegal is “extremely vague”. Mixed martial arts at any level is not allowed in the state of Florida, but the police are claiming that this was a professional event that was unsanctioned. Sucher asked the question “Does that mean people can’t train?”. This gave everyone the sense that these were sparring fights. Thomas confirmed this idea by stating the fights at the warehouse were the same exact bouts he holds at his gym, but were in order to get his fighters used to a crowd watching. Here’s a small list of discrepancies that Thomas may try to point at:
- In the arrest report, it is said that the doors to the warehouse were wide open, signage was up, raffle tickets in plain view, and the large cage in plain view to people coming up to the warehouse. It doesn’t seem as if Thomas was aware of the law or making any effort to conceal the fights. This leads me to believe he was unaware, probably making it better for him if he is convicted of receiving a light sentence. In retrospect, it also tells us that Thomas probably felt there was no law being broken.
- The fighters were not paid for their bouts. The raffle tickets were bought for $10 a piece in order to give away prizes and donate to the ATT team out of Port St. Lucie. To my knowledge, “professional” means you are being paid for those bouts. I’m wondering if Thomas’s lawyer can also bring in factors such as the fact that there were no fighters on a contract either.
- The TCPalm article mentioned that promoting the event was also a piece that went into the charges. Thomas mentioned that most of the crowd was friends and family and the rest was from word of mouth. Also, email and phone calls probably brought some people in. It seems that Thomas didn’t put any money into promoting the event at all.
- Other schools in Florida hold similar events with raffles and Thomas’s lawyer could leverage that support in court.
- Sucher makes a good point in stating that there isn’t a huge difference between “training” and an actual fight. These guys need experience and that is definitely the way it has been done in the past in a number of different places in the country and the world.
It’s obvious that Thomas’s lawyer will be looking to compare these events to sparring sessions. This is a fairly good argument, but may be a tough sell to a jury or judge that does not watch mixed martial arts or boxing and does not see a small event like this as a learning experience. The fact that Thomas didn’t pay the fighters helps his cause in a charge that relies on the “professional” aspect of the statute. On to the bad…
The Bad
There were some bad moves by Thomas and company that were mentioned on the report as well that bode badly for his case. The most notable involved the fact that there weren’t any medical staff in attendance at the event, not even an off-duty EMT, nobody. It didn’t help that one of the fighters was knocked out cold during one of the matchups. There were also no weight classes, which isn’t illegal, but it doesn’t look good when you have an overmatched opponent being pummeled without any medical attention at the event.
Another oddity is the occupational license in which Din Thomas was apparently trying to work under. From what I read, Thomas rents a portion of the space for his events from a lady who actually rents out the warehouse from the owners. The lady (Name was blacked out on arrest report) runs a gymnastics school that has to work under an occupational license for gymnastics. It’s stated on the license as to what activity in permitted at the business. Therefore, Thomas cannot run mixed martial arts training under a gymnastics license, he must obtain his own. He failed to do so.
Along the lines of that argument, it seemed that when the lady was questioned if Thomas was working under her license, she said no. Later in the interview, she changed her answer and simply stated that he must be if he says so. It seems that she doesn’t have her story straight and doesn’t understand the laws in Florida regarding occupational licenses. She also stated that her license was for “karate” when she clearly runs a gymnastics school. Trying to cover her own tracks? It looks like it. The owners of the property were also unaware of the activities going on in the warehouse, and they may have been in the dark because this woman was basically subletting half her space out to Thomas.
These arguments seem more based on procedures rather than if Thomas actually committed a crime. He was working under a license that he can’t actually work under and was renting space out from a woman who wasn’t supposed to be subletting space to another person. These problems seem to be irrelevant to the case, but did seem to somehow add into the reason as to why they wanted to issue a warrant. For that, they may come up in court.
The fact that Thomas held the event without medical staffing isn’t a huge deal if you are in and around mixed martial arts training centers. It’s how things have been for quite some time, but to the average person who may actually see this case in court, it looks very bad and doesn’t look to help a case for him looking out for the safety of his fighters.
The End
Unless this goes to trial, Din Thomas should get this bumped down to a misdemeanor. It seemed as if he thought nothing was wrong with holding the events due to the vast number of events just like it that have been held throughout the state. It also seems clear that he wasn’t paying the fighters although the police may try to incline that the money was actually to pay the fighters. If he wasn’t paying the fighters, they were amateur bouts, not professional. It seems obvious that he wasn’t openly promoting the events, or hiding the events in a dark basement somewhere like a scene out of “Fight Club”. He may get a significant slap on the wrist for holding the events that didn’t seem like sparring matches since there was no headgear used and any type of safety concerns. Although you and I know that this is how MMA is, the court may not see it that way. Either way, Thomas didn’t commit a crime that many other MMA trainers have done in the past. Who knows, maybe this will move Florida to actually sanction mixed martial arts and allow amateur MMA as well in the state.
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intresting post. I think he really didnt know that he was doing anything wrong. You all remember the beating he took from BJ….im sure it was the after affects of that. haha. Good post by the way.
Does anyone think the reason the doors were wide open was he thought he wouldn’t get caught or even didn’t care if he did? Not because he didn’t know the law. Here’s is my other questions; Who else went to jail for this, or was Din the only one because he rented the space? And is Din under contract with the UFC anymore or not, after his pounding to Kenny Florian?
Interesting questions holy_dave. I hope we get the answers to these questions soon. I hope Thomas comes back stronger and healthier because he is a good fighter and can put on good fights.
Kick Babalu out for holding a choke too long. Suspend and strip the titles of Sylvia and Barnett for Steroids. How is this not any different. I say kick Din out of the UFC. Learn a lesson from the NFL and how they have stepped up and enforced an ethics code even off the field. The one thing that hurts the UFC is people see it as barbaric. That is why I don’t believe people like Babalu or Din Thomas should be tolerated. They hurt the sport of MMA. What a contrast to people like the classy showing between Rich Franklin and Anderson Silva. Saddly, people will pick up on the bad and not see the good. Din Thomas got one too many elbows from Florian I guess. What was he thinking?
Holy Dave,
Interesting questions. One of the footnotes in the report mentioned that the police were trying to actually get names out of Din Thomas as to who was participating in the bouts. I’m wondering if those fighters are also subject to arrest.
General Comment:
There is a fine line between unsanctioned fights and sparring sessions or exhibition fights for experience. There needs to be some way of distinguishing the two. I think headgear would have at least been a deterrent to injuries and made it look a bit more safe, but straight cage fights seem to be a bad move for Thomas.
I really see no problem with what Din did. Its not like he was charging people to view the fights, nor were the fighters forced to participate.
I guess, the cops in the area probably don’t have much going on if Din Thomas is a guy worth sending an undercover agent after to really get a “true criminal” off the street. A testament to worthless policing.
“What if someone got hurt?”
What if you get hit by a car walking down the street? Such is life, much ado about nothing in my book. Din should get the equivalent of a parking ticket.
Sorry, “sparring” isn’t much different from what Din did, and as many injuries happen in training as they do in the fights and there isn’t always medical personell around at every MMA training gym when sparring is going on.
I see the point, but making “an example” out of Din in regards to this issue is not necesarry or worth the tax dollars.
In the end, I’m not too inclined to throw Thomas under the bus at all for this. The article is specifically pointing out the main issues with the report, etc. My personal view is that the police must be sitting around waiting for something cool to happen that will bring them some type of media attention.
Anyone who actually is around MMA knows that this is common practice.
Accomando, this dude said it perfectly…watta waste of tax dollars…im glad im canadian and dont have to pay for that stupid mess the police have gotten themselves into…watever happened to busting gangs or crack dealers…they gotta bully themselves around someone whos trying to help his own fighters get ready for a real fight….it is deep **** for thomas if he gets convikted….i hope not….not like din was one of ma favorite fighters to begin with…but its nice to watch someone i do like walk all over him in a fight
So, no one knows if Din is still under contract with the UFC?
Florida, the land of the conservative,right wing, redneck? I wouldn’t want to be in Din’s shoes. Don’t be surprised if they throw the book at him.
“…Florida, the land of the conservative,right wing, redneck?..”
That’s not what comes to my mind in regards to Florida, and I got about 10 states that should be ahead of Florida in regards to that statement, starting with, oh, let’s start with Indiana.
regardless of the validity of the charge or wether he should be in the UFC anymore, if Din has a decent lawyer he should get a fine at worst. provided no one was getting paid, it should be an “unlicensed entertainment event” of some kind. I’m no expert in Florida law, however, and given that some folks have been trying to make a point of how tough they are on “morality”, even in that liberal hotbed (haha) Florida, some prosecutor may try to make points on this.
it’ll be interesting to see how it shakes out.
“Mixed martial arts at any level is not allowed in the state of Florida…”
Huh? Professional mixed martial arts is perfectly legal in Florida. What’s banned is any amateur MMA, which is precisely why operation’s like Din’s are driven underground.
Yes, that should be a correction. I probably meant to put “at the amateur level”.
To my way of thinking , this is a tale tell sign that one doesn’t screw around with “Powers that Be” and the Big organizations, UFC’, ‘Rage in The Cage’ and all of the other Mega MMA Orgs
Simply put the cops were alerted to this before hand and decided to make an example out of Din Thomas, Nip it in the Bud so to speak, that clearly sends a message don’t try to be a outlaw/scoflaw, regardless of how many fights you have lost/won. $$$$ Talks BS goes to the judge.
I also noticed that all you guys who like to yak about something you read or see on TV, about someone with a less than perfect record in MMA, you pile on and kick him when he is down. But what the Hey, here in NM we have one of the TOP of the Heap schools run by ‘Greg Jackson aka ‘Yoda’ and having represented two of his students of late, I got to say, shame on you who ‘Talk the talk’; but have NEVER ‘walked the Walk’ so lets be a little more civil IF that is possible, the fighters who step up and into the MMA cage need to hear something decent from you the Fans. Nuff said!
Doc’Davi-Manchaca
FYI- I was there and paramedics were on-hand (2 on-duty in an ambulance and 1 off duty). It’s hard to believe the cops could miss them since they stood with them for almost the entire time they were there.
I believe you guys owe me an apology.