Despite being bloodied in the opening seconds of the fight, top-ranked heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko did what most predicted he would, scoring a second-round knockout of previously undefeated Brett Rogers on Saturday in the main event of Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers.
The bout capped off the promotion’s first CBS-televised event, which took place at the Sears Centre Arena in Hoffman Estates, Illinois just outside Chicago.
Rogers opened up a gash on Fedor’s nose with his first punch of the fight, but Emelianenko recovered to batter Rogers with punches throughout the round and also attempted several submissions, but was unable to earn the stoppage in the first.
The pair clinched to start the second but separated and squared off in the center of the cage, where Fedor dropped Rogers with an overhand right and forced the referee, “Big” John McCarthy, to intervene after several follow-up punches on the ground.
Fedor improves to 31-1 with the victory, extending his winning streak to 27-straight, while Rogers falls to 10-1 after suffering the first loss of his career.
After the bout, both Emelianenko and Rogers said they were open to a rematch, though both will almost certainly take on other opponents first. Fabricio Werdum, who won a hard-fought decision over Antonio Silva earlier on the card, and Strikeforce champ Alistair Overeem could be next in line for Fedor, while Silva is among the possibilities for Rogers’ next fight.
Shields Tops “Mayhem” To Win Middleweight Title
In the evening’s co-headliner, Jake Shields was crowned Strikeforce’s middleweight champion with a unanimous decision victory over Jason “Mayhem” Miller.
Though Miller appeared closest to ending the fight, securing a tight rear naked choke in the third that he was forced to give up when the bell sounded, Shields was dominant on the ground in earning the victory, taking Miller’s back and getting to mount nearly at will.
Shields, who jumps to 24-4-1 with his 13th-straight win, captures the title which was vacated by Cung Le earlier this year and appears poised to fight the winner of a December 19 matchup between Le and Scott Smith, made official during Saturday’s event, in his first title defense next year.
Miller drops to 22-7 after the loss, his second in his past three fights.
Mousasi, Werdum Earn Main Card Wins
Once-feared striker Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou appeared improved in his non-title matchup with Strikeforce light heavyweight champ Gegard Mousasi, but in the end it was an outcome”The African Assassin” has become all too familiar with over the last two years, as Mousasi finished a tired Sokoudjou with punches in the second.
In a matchup of heavyweight contenders making their Strikeforce debuts, former UFC contender Fabricio Werdum took out former EliteXC champ Antonio Silva, who returned to the United States after serving a one-year steroid suspension while fighting in Japan.
Coenen Sets Up “Cyborg” Fight With Win; Curran Snaps Losing Streak
On the “Fedor vs. Rogers” preliminary card, Marloes Coenen quickly submitted Roxanne Modafferi to likely earn a title shot against champ Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos early next year, while Jeff Curran snapped his four-fight losing streak when opponent Dustin Neace was forced to quit due to a rib injury in the opening round.
The official results for Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers were:
MAIN CARD
- Fedor Emelianenko def. Brett Rogers via TKO (strikes) — Round 2, 1:48
- Jake Shields def. Jason “Mayhem” Miller via unanimous decision (48-47, 49-46, 49-46)
Strikeforce Middleweight Championship - Gegard Mousasi def. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou via TKO (strikes) — Round 2, 3:43
- Fabricio Werdum def. Antonio Silva via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28)
PRELIMINARY CARD
- Marloes Coenen def. Roxanne Modafferi via submission (armbar) — Round 1, 1:05
- Jeff Curran def. Dustin Neace via submission (injury) — Round 1, 1:39
- Shamar Bailey def. John Kolosci via unanimous decision (29-27, 29-27, 29-27)
- Nate Moore def. Louis Taylor via submission (strikes) — Round 2, 3:24
- Christian Uflacker def. Jonatas Novaes via unanimous decision (29-26, 30-25, 30-25)
Note: A scheduled fight between Deray Davis and Mark Miller was scratched due to time constraints.
Latest
He did it, once again !
Fedor is the best HW and this is the reality !!!
IMO after tonights performance I think 8 times out of ten Brock would pound out Fedor.
And i dont say this as a Fedor detractor cause nobody here will every be able to find one post of me bashing the guy or questioning his status as the #1 HW in the world but after seeing what Rogers was able to do to Fedor up against the cage and on the ground, I now have Brock as the best. Lesnar would most likely pick up a 1st round TKO via GnP. Fedor has sub skills but so does Mir and if Rogers can escape an armbar by Fedor than then Brock sure could. The other 2 of ten would be due to Fedor’s insane punching power that could end the night for Lesnar. But if the house was on it my bet would be on the former WWE champ…..let it begin
I think you wrong, but it just me.
I think Feor will connect and Brock will go to sleep and if it go to the ground, i’m so sure Fedor will find his way to submit Brock as well , i think he is better when Mir on the ground and has much more technics and power then Mir. I think as o now Brock has 30 – 40% chance of winnig , but as time will go i think he will be able to get “W” over Fedor , but for sure if they would fight now, Fedor wins once again.
And i have to understand what did Rogers do to put Fedor in dangar , straight right and cut his nose , but it’s nothing new , press him up to the cage using his size , yes he did it , but did it manage to do something with it no , did it help him to win , no. I have t give to Rogers some respect for his takedown defence and submittion defence.
I’m sure we’ll continue to kick around Fedor versus Lesnar over in the forum until they ever fight or one or both of them retires, but consider this:
In a theoretical match-up, Lesnar is going to close with Fedor almost immediately, and ground him using his superior wrestling skill. No way in He11 that Greg Nelson and Erik Paulson have him trade with Fedor, who is an accurate and powerful striker.
Fedor is a skilled grappler, don’t get me wrong, but he’s no NCAA Div.1 champion, and he’s going to come out on the short end of the scrambles and ground transitions. Also, Lesnar is larger than Rogers, and can match Fedor’s athleticism.
Once Fedor is grounded, then Lesnar’ll start with the ape-sh!t pounding, and only pause to sneak in some catch-wrestling with which to make his unholy ape-sh!t pounding more effective.
Fedor will need to hook Lesnar either in a scramble or from his back, or he’s going to absorb a lot worse than a busted nose being trapped under nearly 280 pounds of raging caveman for extended periods of time.
Or does that just seem like an unlikely Lesnar gameplan to anyone?
Fedor would beat Lesnar period.
Lesnar hasnt fought a real striker he only has 5 fights he hasnt beat anyone Mir isnt a good matchup against Lesnar and Couture is 45 and a wrestler.
Also Lesnar knows nothing about real MMA he’s just a big guy and wrestler.
Fedor is a great boxer/wrestler/Sambo fighter and has awesome submissions, Lesnar is just a one dimensional fighter.
Trust me all real MMA fans not the new fanboys know that Fedor would win.
i think u r right. but it doesnt take away from fedor’s ability.
the vanilla gorilla,
‘roid-enhanced bodyshould be matched with someone his own weight. brock’s natural weight is like 290 pounds as far as i know. fedor is 232.i have zero doubt that fedor can take on carwin. but brock is simply too big.
i’d love to see lessnar vs dan severn. i know dan is old, but he is still fighting. IMO it would be huge. and dan being old would have nothing to lose, everything to gain!!!
Until there is proof, stop saying Brock uses steroids. – Justin
gibor severn lost to PETRUZELLI!!! what makes you think Severn would beat someone bigger that is also better athlete? Leave the beating retirement home fighters to other organizations.
Honestly IMO Fedor would struggle with Lesnar and his best chance to win would be on their feet where he can try to land powershots. If Lesnar were to end up on top Fedor would need a miracle or Lesnar to make a huge mistake to gain an advantage on the ground. Fedor has the skills to do so but let us not forget that the former D1 champ knows a thing or two about body positioning and control.
Fedor has faced several tremendous wrestlers but they’ve always been much smaller guys. Facing a guy who has tremdous technique(that’s something people don’t mention enough about Lesnar, his wrestling is very technical) on top of size makes for a tough opponent. Fedor would need to use his skills to avoid doing what he did with rogers and allowing lesnar to put him on the cage because lesnar will look to slam there.
Fedor is the better all around fighter, but Lesnar has the skill set and size to win. Fedor would lose if he ended up on his back most of the fight but if he kept it standing I think Fedor wins.
I agree 100% with you on this one. After Sat night’s performance I’d be really interested to see Fedor vs Brock … and I”m sure lesnar would win more than he would lose.
I think roger’s size was a problem for fedor on the ground and brock is a beast of a man … cuts to get to 265 … fedor went into the fight a 232.
Brock’s ground control is also better than Bretts … so that would be interesting. if fedor could get brock to the ground and work the top game it would be a quick night for lesnar … but getting brock on his back is another problem all together – I’d like to see how fedor gets that 265 (at weigh-in; so probably closer to 280-285 at fight time) refrigerator down.
Bracing myself for the inevitable fedor backlash
fedor seems to be a master of anticipation…. lightning quick right hand as seen in past two fights as well… thought rogers had the upper hand with the damage he dealt…
fedor ends the fight with more impressive power, mousasi looked well rounded
Well, I believe Silva showed he is half the man without the roids. He should call Sean Sherk and Chris Leben for advice on how to deal with huge letdown! I think I would like Strikeforce better if the announcers were different. It seems that they just wait for cheesy lines! Anyway………..Fedor looked human tonight….and more out of shape than usual!
That is how MMA fight should be.. UFC Brock lesnar is nothing more then
a WWE/TNA show…..Fedor was 5 inches smaller, 30+ lighter,
4+ inches less in reach. BTW If you have ever watched Fedor
you would know he been cut in that same spot on his nose before…..
Please do yourself a favor and never talk again
shut up roger
What did he say?
anyone who resorts to Lesnar/WWF d0uchebagery is clearly not frenzy-worthy.
troll goon! plz no more.
Is it just me or is it getting worse on here for d0uchebagery comments.
Honestly I know people are unhappy with certain posters but I’m giving people an opportunity to not be well troll~esque soo I will weed them out we are doing well here at the FrenZy, we are good
x
Awesome showing by Fedor…he is the best.
Silva got the shaft.
Soukoudju should seriously re-evaluate his life.
Sheilds shows substance rules over style
How do you figure Silva got shafted? He won the first, sure, but Werdum easily took the second and third.
Hey, can you quit dragging facts into it when a disgruntled fan is venting?
;)
Werdum won that fight bottom line…..
easily.
best case scenario for Silva was a tie. It could be argued that he had a 10/8 round for the first…. but no, I also believe Werdum won that fight. Can’t believe Antonio Silva decided to stop doing what worked for him. Fighters are weird.
best case for Silva was walking out like he did, werdum did a great job after the first
UMMM why was the interviewer who was talking to Fedor and Brett after the fight even mentioning a rematch???? isnt the loser supposed to work his way up the ladder again to prove he is ready for a rematch? It was like asking Matt Hughes if he wants another rematch with GSP LoL
i wondered the same thing
Yea seriously. The announcer seemed like he was cushioning the loss of Brett. Give Fedor some credit. Disgraceful.
Because there is such an embarrassment of riches in the Strikeforce Heavyweight Division… Tonight we saw three quarters of the entire lot of them.
Give Fedor credit? Everyone spent the whole night circus sealing him. Watch the tape.
what do you mean bsbiz? I was there and didn’t hear Mauro or Frank do their weakness (though I consider Mauro to be a foremost MMA expert, his voice absolutely blows)
Man what a great show!!!! Fedor does it again but i give it the Brett he did better then the last two former ufc champs did!!! cant wait for more free fights
great match Brett got a new fan in me. I haven’t had that feeling in a mma match in a long time. I would love to see a second fight
damn bret shoulda worked on his cardio a little, had fight won until he gassed, he shoulda won in first round… is shame
at what point in the fight was rogers winning? maybe the first punch, but round 1 went to Fedor hands down
near the end of the first brett could of taken fedors head of on the mat. but for some crazy gased out reason he just fell to the floor!
thanks bigworthy thats what I was talkin about, i gave first round to rodgers anyway he had fedor hurt the whole time then when he shoulda capitalized and finished it off he just went down, if he had better cardio he would still be undefeated.
Actually Big Rogers had to stop because fedor would’ve finished off an armbar, it wasn’t gassing because Rogers actually showed better cardio than he has in the past. Rogers was staggered twice and on the recieveing end of some vicious ground and pound himself. If it were not for that reversal a bit of ground and pound Rogers would have scored only on the opening shot. Those three things don’t win a round when you were taken down multiple times, ate a lot of hard shots, etc.
just cause you’re on top “near the end”, doesn’t mean you won the round.
didnt say because he was on top, its based on octogon control, agressiveness, takedown, and takedown defense.. sure fedor took him down but rogers just got back up and did most damage, i guess the difference shows between true fighters and people who just sit on the couch and watch it
ryan, did you really write octagon control? you know the Strikeforce cage is not an octagon, right? You know that UFC is the only MMA promotion with the rights to use an Octagon, right? And getting up from a takedown scores more than the takedown?
Newbies.
Good stuff new guy.
Sheilds is just pathetic when he fights someone that has a decent ground game!! If mayhem was smart at all and tried to avoid some takedowns he would have murdered sheilds!!
I hope Henderson signs with strikeforce because i would love to see him fight sheilds!! lets see him try to dry hump danny for 5 rounds!
i don’t think he can even take Hendo down,,,,,,, I was awaiting Mayhem to open up and do better than he did it seemed as tho he was just biding his time, yet never let go… Well he almost choked Jake out but that didn’t win him the fight
Fedor took a few punches on the ground to get the arm bar. He does tht n every fight. Nthing new. And he threw rogers around like a doll and then knocked him out. I think fedor was winning the fight other then having his nose busted.
?????????????????????????? was your TV fuzzy????????????????
Fedor was in danger for about 2-3 seconds, after which he promptly found an escape.
Fedor did not throw Rogers around like a doll, he had problems with Rogers size several times in the fight.
Much , much respect to Brock Lesner and even Brett’s effort tonight. However, we’ll should realize what we have been wintnessing in the last years with Fedor. Brock is the real deal and poses a real threat to Fedor. Brock wins 2 out of 10 times. In my humble opinion, we have and never will see the sportsmanship, focus, and “will” that is seen in Fedor ever again. Sure,the game will evolve. But in relation, we should enjoy the greatest warrior of our time. I always have been and even in defeat, always will be a #1 Fedor fan. Thanks for letting me post my opinion.
Just to be glass clear here: in terms of sportsmanship, Fedor buries Lesnar, every damned single time, in spite of my posted opinions about who would win if they ever fought.
And I say this as a detractor of both Lesnar and Fedor…
Speaking of which, I felt Brett did not handle his loss too well. Sounded like he was bitter and didn’t offer any congrats to Fedor, and seemed a little in shock that his cinderella story didn’t have a happy ending.
Brett didn’t fight like he usually does, and I think he was mad at himself for that. He is obviously a competitive guy, and doesn’t feel like he did his best. It is hard for someone who is ubercompetitive like that to think about congratulating your their opponent when they know they didn’t live up to the best of their ability.
By far the best MMA fight in a long time (take that ufc lol). Fedor was awesome, I thought bret had it when fedor was against the cage – almost. Man I never thought bret would fall like a sac of potatoes – too funny.
And Broc will fall even with a louder crash. He is slower than Brett and has absolutely no chances against Fedor.
Well, I said it, and I managed to follow through. I didn’t watch Fedor’s fight because I refuse to watch M-1 co-promoted cards. I’m not his biggest fan, and also not his biggest detractor, but I can’t stand the Russian mob that backs him.
That said, Rogers taking him to the second round does make me question if he is losing a little bit. Maybe a little bit of power, a little bit of speed, something. But…I didn’t see it, so I’m open to being corrected.
lmao omg
Is that a roundabout way of correcting me? Or are you just trolling for a reaction today?
Yeah Biz that going to the second round wasn’t related to Fedor losing it. Rogers and Fedor both came out very aggressive and Rogers showed a decent ground game. Plus Rogers literally sat there with fedor against the cage and almost had a point taking away for holding the cage any chance he got.
I think the announcers were terrible tonight. They kept talking up Silva when Werdum clearly was winning the fight. When Sokoudjou was having a good first round, all they could talk about was Mousasi (then they were calling him Sue-Ju-Koo or something like that during the replay.) I thought Shields handily won his fight (even though all they could talk about was Mayhem.) And I have to agree with Carls on his prediction – No way would the Fedor who fought tonight get out from under Lesnar.
I also think maybe Mauro needs to start drinking decaf, or at least lose his pro-wrestling voice.
totally agree – it was horrible esp the fedor fight which clearly was stopped early.
Live I felt the same thing, but watching the replays, I think it was a good stoppage, but a few more punches wouldn’t have been the end of the world.
Letting that fight continue past the stoppage accomplishes 2 things:
- Rogers takes more damage
- Fedor risks nreaking bones in his hand again.
So, whats the point?
Also, if Big John says a fight is done, a fight is done.
Period.
I’ve seen Big John make mistakes like everyone else lately.
Was Rogers done, yeah, he was. But Big John looked pretty eager to jump in and call the fight as soon as Fedor landed that haymaker.
For the first time ever I think I actually dissagree with you on somrthing Justin. IMO big john gave Rogers an opportunity to fight back right after the shot landed and he was dropped but after brett rolled to his side a bit thats when he called it. Whatch the fight again hes just standing there normally when he fell but then stopped it when it needed to be. Thats how i saw it anyway. But i guess it doesnt hurt that McCarthy is a huge Fedor fan either though. ;)
Please dont put me on moderation.
When a fight is stopped early, the loser is on his feet right away complaining. If given a microphone he will make mention of it. Rogers did neither. Let’s not go looking for controversy where there isn’t any, people.
If Brett’s limp leg didn’t catch Fedor’s right arm after he hit the ground, Rogers would still be laying on the mat.
“If Brett’s limp leg didn’t catch Fedor’s right arm after he hit the ground, Rogers would still be laying on the mat.”
that’s my point the follow up shots weren’t there – Fedor was not pounding him – the shots after the knock down (not out) did not connect with anything that deserved to end the fight. Rogers could have recovered – maybe McCarthy had a bad angle on it.
But if Rogers is fine with it that’s his business I suppose.
Peace out.
Carls,
People don’t go on moderation for disagreeing with the mods, that would be an abuse of power. We take this responsibility seriously, and respect the frenzy.
Also, I’m not saying the fight didn’t need to be stopped, I just felt like McCarthy jumped in and stopped it at the first opportunity to do so in Fedor’s favor, rather than giving Rogers much chance to fight back.
I was just messin with ya J. Come on put me on moderation? lol
you fall like Rogers did and any sensible referree is going to jump in ASAP
I would agree with you up until the Fedor comment. Fedor would win that fight. Lesnar would get a few good shots though, similar to Brett. Fedor is the best man.
aside from the fights the overall strikeforce show was pretty bad, the commentators, in cage announcer and post fight interviewers sounded very amateur
aside from the reason you tuned in, that thing sucked… I don’t tune into a fight card to really care about the announcer or commentators nor the post fight interviews…. I tune in for the fights, seriously man understand that Buffer is the best in the business, Goldberg and Rogan are the best in the business, yet when you check into a fight you pay attention for the FIGHTS crazy concept I know, REALLY
LMAO!
sorry for voicing my opinion, the whole point of commentators is to enhance the experience and considering they are the audio of the fight i expect it to be better, didnt know we had strikeforce executives on this site to defend their promotion. correct me if im wrong but did i say i tuned in for the commentators or announcers ? pretty sure i tuned in for the fights but when the commentating is that bad and the post fight interviewer is suggesting a rematch of a fight as if it was close or controversial i tend to notice, i like to use all 5 senses when living my life and hearing happens to be one of them
Not sure exactly what to say here.
Tonight was a night of a lot of blown opportunities in the cage, and horrific commentating outside of the cage.
Hopefully Strikeforce gets great ratings out of this, and it benefits the sport as a whole.
Mayhem Miller dabbled in finishing Shields, but either his gameplan or his conditioning or his execution failed him, and thus his opponent layed and prayed and was rewarded the Strikeforce 185 title.
Luckily, it shouldn’t be to hard for Hendo to relieve Shields of that title, so that he can drop back down to 170 where he belongs.
Antonio Silva won the first round, and then his intensity and cardio checked out, and Werdum hung tough and picked up the “W”.
Good on Werdum, and as for Silva, well, at least he’s still got those big feet.
Sokoudjou was handed a golden opportunity to jump right back into the MMA spotlight, yet he showed up with the same old bag of tricks, and the same questionable cardio, and thereby got shut down and sent home by Mousasi, a real MMA superstar in the making.
It’ll be harder for Hendo to finish Mousasi than it will be for him to finish Shields, but I’m pretty sure he can get the job done as long as he keeps Mousasi eating cage and spending energy keeping Hendo off of his legs.
And speaking of golden opportunities, Brett Rogers bloodied Fedor with his very first punch, and then simply stopped throwing hard strikes, which of course allowed Fedor to work his game and euthanize Rogers in round 2. I don’t know why Rogers suddenly became timid. Maybe it was the pressure, or the glaring spotlight, or the realization that a tire-changer from Sam’s Club has no business being in the cage with Fedor, but whatever it was, it was, and so he lost.
Nice try.
Fedor was supposed to beat his far less experienced and far less skilled opponent, and he did, so congratulations are in order, particularly for T/KO’ing a much larger fighter.
Gratz as well to Rogers, for making out of the first round, which a lot of Fedor’s opponents
As for the inevitable comparisons between the Fedor we saw tonight and a theoretical fight with a fully-recovered Brock Lesnar, all I can say is that the Fedor detractors, of which I am one, will remain convinced that Fedor who showed up tonight in Chicago would have gotten mauled tonight by a healthy Lesnar and finished in the first round, and the Fedor supporters will remain convinced that their man would somehow T/KO or submit the UFC’s Neanderthal, in spite of his size, strength and wrestling disadvantages.
And the beat goes on…
well said, if they ever fought though, what ever would we talk about…that being said, i would just have to take fedor, but wouldnt be surprised if brock could control him and perhaps pound him out
4-1
I get your point, but here is my counter point.
It took Fedor 14 fights to win the PRIDE HW championship against BigNog, while it took Lesnar only 4 to win it from Radny Couture…
because he wasnt handed a title shot. he had to work to get there
Fedor only fought twice in Pride before fighting for and winning the title. All of the previous fights were for the defunct RINGS organization.
he still had 14 pro fights lesner had 3
btw Nogueira only had 2 fights in pride before getting a title shot all his other fight were in rings.
And my original point still stands.
Whats the more impressive feat, winning the HW championship in your fourteenth fight, or your FOURTH?
Think about it…
who says fedor couldnt do it in his 4th fight
Do we discount Rogers’ destruction of former UFC HW champ Andrei Arlovski? Rogers tonight at least proved he’s worthy of the spotlight. As Fedor fan #1, I say much respect to Rogers.
However I do agree that Lesnar would have mauled the Fedor who showed up tonight. And I’m not saying he didn’t come in at 100%, I’m saying that Lesnar in Rogers’ place destroys Fedor. I’m torn between my two favorite fighters.
I wonder who has the bigger poster on your wall. or after this weekend if you now have more RVCA shirts than deathclutch ones.
The biggest poster on my wall is a signed print (as in painting, not a picture) of Wanderlei Silva, sitting front and center on my “wall of mma”. I got it in Vegas for UFC 91. Did you go?
However I will be blowing up that pic I took with Fedor.
And damn right I got an RVCA shirt. It’s all about supporting your favorite fighters. Don’t have do be a d0uche carls. Don’t be hating that my two favorite fighters are among the best in the world.
You should get out more Carls, enjoy some MMA live. You might be less bitter then.
however you may have been sarcastic or refering to the mmafreZy fact that I own a couple deathclutch shirts. I’ll let you clarify before I reserve further comments.
Yaaa im realy gonna have to start using more smiley faces cause no one seems to be getting my sarcasm.
By the way I went to 97 did you?
i didnt think the show was bad its not like it was ufc produced but then again it was not as low as say elite xc either i say it was good not bad. but its the fights i tune in for i dont think anything eles matters too much when it is free!
also, im not really sure what some people are talking about with the whole “the fedor i saw tonight”…i thought he looked like fedor, just my honest opinion, the only thing i thought was different was the fact that this was the first time he ever fought in a cage and he looked out of place when he was against it, and also it prevented him from getting the armbar…other than that, if you dont think he absolutely dominated brett rodgers(an obviously lesser opponent), you are crazy…all and all, cbs couldnt ask for much more out of a main event
You’re right. Fedor looked good, but not used to the cage and Lesnar trains exclusively for cage fighting. Fedor looked great, but when he was pushed against the cage it didn’t seem (at least from my viewpoint) he was comfortable.
yep, im assuming now that he has a relatively secure job with a promotion that doesnt appear to be going anywhere, he can start training exclusively in a cage, a really good wrestler could give him big problems against it
i dont think its far to even compair broke to fedor right now hes new to the sport and he’s still a green horn pluss brock got carwin and big nog to worry about first which i cant see him winning at all so hes not even a factor. but going by the brock his only hope to beat feor would be points or that ko thats all are we really going to think that his wrestling would stand against a world class sanbo fighter? ground game in skill wise is fedor bit its size thats the problem! but its no use in talking about a fight that will never happen unless ufc co-pro’s with strikeforce good luck fans on that dream.
are you high? or just new to the english language?
funny how nobody is going to moderate you when you make accusations and personal attacks
Well…they guy can’t write coherent sentences or spell simple things like sambo. I think FR asked a very fair question.
Troll.
maybe english isnt his first language and are you trying to call me a troll ?
I did ask two questions, but if I offended you with my questions I apologize imo there was no personal attack in these questions, and to answer your question…. JustinH other admin or the owner of the site Kris have every right to “moderate” me, trust me friend I’m not on a power trip….
Yeah, I would moderate him if it was necessary, but it’s not.
fair enough homie
cheers…..
No personal attacks.
Edited by Justin H
Co~signed by FR702
@ southcakalak –
I’ll be the first to admit that I’m no Fedor expert, or “Fedorologist”, but IMO Fedor just didn’t look as sharp as he did in previous fights, especially PRIDE fights.
Maybe it was the bloody nose, or maybe it was my personal shock of seeing Rogers make it thru round 1, or maybe as you say it was that Fedor seemed a half-step off when it came to dealing with the cage for the first time.
However I’ll gladly concede the point to those of you more familiar with the man.
And yeah, no two ways about it. Fedor had his way with Rogers, except for the nose thing, and maybe a little bit when he wound up pinned against the cage with like 275 pounds of Grim leaning on him.
@ eldiablo – I’m not saying that Rogers win over Arlovski should be “discounted”, but IMO at least part of that win comes from the fact that mentally AA is so far out of the game its almost criminal.
Now that he’s camping with Greg Jackson, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a resurgent Arlovski in 2010.
And was it my imagination, or was the second biggest crowd cheer of the night [Fedor's being first] for Big John McCarthy??
lmao at fedorologist, i honestly think that even the great fedor knew how big this fight was for him and he was a little more cautious…but i would give the cage the most points
Don’t forget Rogers was grabbing onto the cage for dear life, if Big John wasn’t doing his job of watching for low blows and other illegal shots then Rogers would have lost a point or two(he was already warned. That’s not a shot at Big John by the way, he has a lot to be watching at that posistion.
Personally, I thought Fedor looked more aggressive than he usually is. He was going after Rogers with a lot of aggression and over aggression can lead to mistakes sometimes, even by great fighters.
I think Fedor was so aggressive out of respect for Rogers’ power. Everyone knows Rogers has enough power that a few clean shots can finish anyone, and Fedor wanted to get the fight over before Rogers had the chance to land those shots.
Well even when he fought big daddy, Cro Cop, and even AA he had more hesitancy when attacking.
Believe me I’m glad he did for the reason you mentioned but it still surprised me!
1. Fedor lost the first round contrary to the report given here (he was mounteed and got pounded on for almost a minute and a half)
2. Very impressed by how humbled fedor still is
3. WHY THE HELL is frank shamrock comentating… he is wearing braces, def doesnt help the fact that he already looks like frankenstein just sayin
fedor was never mounted, rogers turned out of an armbar and was sitting on fedors stomach facing his feet for about 15 seconds but id harldy consider that mounted and pounded on for almsot a minute and a half…fedor controlled the round took rodgers down twice landed more clean effective strikes, and the only punch rodgers really landed on the feet was the opening jab…when he was over fedor on the ground 1 possibly 2 of those shots came anywhere close to being solid….Brett rogers impressed me, but he wasnt winning that fight when he got thumped
1. Fedor did not in fact lose the first round, he just won it somewhat less impressively than he has in some of his previous fights, due mostly to the bloody nose and his slight unfamiliarity with cage positioning.
2. Fedor is still HUMBLE, but to date has never been HUMBLED, which means something a bit different.
3. No argument there. Not only do the braces make LilShammy LOOK worse, they adversely effect his already semi-unintelligible utterings…
wow
What a great night of fights! I was rather happy with all 4 televised bouts! Not going to get into great detail, but this was by far the best FREE event I have seen on television in a long time. Good for Strikeforce for throwing together such a solid card. There were 5 fighters from tonight who I would absolutely love to see in action in the UFC one day. (In no particular order, Fedor, Rogers, Mousassi, Mayhem and Shields)
Fedor again proves without a shadow of a doubt that he is by far the best heavyweight in the world. His precision and timing when it comes to finishing fights is second to none. With that being said, ALL the respect in the world to Rogers for one hell of a fight against the last emperor.
In my opinion the UFC has the most elite fighters in the world in every weight class BUT the heavyweight division. Fedor and even Rogers would look great in the UFC if they could ever get them signed.
Great night for fight fans…. I hope UFC next weekend doesn’t disappoint, but I can all but guarantee it’s no where close in terms of entertainment value to what we witnessed tonight.
PS….. The sound quality sucked @$$!!!!
I’m glad Fedor knocked down Rogers and shut Dana White’s mouth up for talking smack..
after all this, people are still saying that Brock would destroy Fedor?? Get serious.. Brock is big and great at wrestling…so what? Thats nothing new under the sun to Fedor..Brock offers nothing on the table that Fedor cant handle and he’s proven it over and over again..If Fedor can take punishing hits from Rogers without being phased and also knock out that 245 pound beast to the mat with a single blow, Brock aint jack squat….
Not only is Fedor just absolutely amazing in everything he’s also great at adapting and such an intelligent technical fighter to find a weakness and utilize the cure for it so fast!..man I hope Fedor ends up in the UFC and tear down the walls on these fighters one by one until UFC has no one left to fight Fedor that they can only play re-runs for years…
Brock is 4 and 1 and was handed a undeserved title shot, not to mention he has a boring lay on you type style. Couture was able to neutralize him until the straight right caught him. Fedor has more well rounded game and would be able to test brocks chin. Don’t forget Mir had him rocked in the second fight before Brock took him down. Fedor has better punching power and bjj than Mir. Let’s just hope Brock gets past Carwin first, but it does not really matter because ufc will never get Fedor. White’s ego gets in the way if really wanted him he would have gone to the negotiations him self and not just some pencil pusher to try and land the fighter.
Mir had Brock rocked? Oh right yeah that was just before Mir got taken down and then smashed.
Boring…Lay on you style…and 2 nice TKOs to show for it. Get out. Now.
Wow, you lived up to your name.
Fedor doesn’t have better” BJJ than Mir, his art of choice is called SAMBO. And White DID in fact go to the negotiations with Fedor himself, and it was Fedor’s managers’ (who want to “co-promote” and therefore receive half of the profits of any card that Fedor is a part of) egos that got in the way of Fedor getting signed with the UFC.
I was trying to let the BJJ comment slide for fear my head would explode while answering… thank you for saying it for me haha…
Strikeforce but together a great card of fights. But, there was one thing that was missing. A “Hype Man” to sell the next card. A Don King or Dana White, someone that could have told the world that they just witness the “greatest card of fighters ever assembled”. Someone that could have sold the Fedor vs. the champion Alistair Overeem in January. Someone that could have told the world that in the 60′s and 70′s the world had Muhammad Ali as the baddest man on the planet. But today, we have Fedor Emelianenko as truly the greatest MMA fighter of all-times and he is fighting for Strikeforce. You can search the world from Minnesota to China and not find a better fight in the world. Alistair Overeem should have been at ringside with a couple of closeup shots of his mug. He should have entered the ring after the fight taking trash about the fact that he is the Champion and not Fedor. “He would have knocked out both of these guys tonight.” Another reason you need a “Hype Man” is because Fedor doesn’t speak english. So you need someone to let the world know you are witnessing history with ever fight. With the next card that’s on Dec. 19, I would have started the debate that Cung Le is the greatest 185 lb. fighter in the world. He would knockout any American or Brazilian in the world. There is not another man in the world that has ever defeated him. Strikeforce is where you will see the ULTIMATE CHAMPIONS!
fedor looked great!
made rogers tired, then used his speed and rogers slow reaction time
coulda, woulda, shoulda on the pretend fight between brock and fedor… people are saying brock would “maul” fedor, beat him X out of ten times, and so on with speculation… opinions are fine but consider..
fedor overcomes opponents strengths that people assumes are disadvantages to him..
brett rogers’s size and power..
arlovski’s technical boxing..
sylvias’ size and reach..
matt lindland’s wrestling..
nogueira’s jits..
and coming back to win despite being randleplexed was incredibly impressive. you know kevin thought he had it in the bag after that..
whether its years of experience, great skill, coaching, timing, or just a crazy amount of heart this guy has, he just find a way every time..
i think its hard to say brock would dominate, but i understand the thinking, the guy is a real human athlete who happens to have a rare pairing of speed and power on top of elite ground game
are we really going to count fedor out though?
Drop the argument about Fedor beating a middleweight (Lindland). It carries no weight. Literally. Oh wow. A heavyweight beat a middleweight. Let’s throw a ticker tape parade for the predicted result of the century.
jeez… is matt lindland your life mentor or something? wait… or are you matt lindland?… a little sensitive on the comment, no?
So it’s okay for people to argue about the size advantage Brock usually enjoys, but in one of fights that Fedor had the size advantage you want to ignore it?
Rogers ia pretty close to a Brock.. I don’t think Brock would have any chance vs.. Fedor at this point in his life. The HEY LET’S RUSH IN TO TAKE HIM DOWN LET’S GO!!!!!!!! strat would not be good, Fedor would use Brocks forward momentum, throw him, land on top and end him. Either that or he would land 1 or 2 strikes while Brock rush’s in and end the fight by touching Brocks suspect chin with a ladytap.
Rushing at Fedor is a deathtrap. If Brock and Fedor fought I think it would be much the same as this. Being a Div I wrestler does not prepare you in any way for the subs that are going to get thrown at you be someone of Fedor’s calibre
Fedor can take punishment, I don’t think Brock would be able to knock him out. Brock would show a small weakness like leading his punch’s with his feet like rogers does and it will be all over in much the same manner.
Personally I have a hard time taking someones who main asset is size over someone who is as highly skilled and decorated as Fedor. Me personally I LIKE TO THINK THE PERSON WITH THE TALENT WINS.
We can talk about it all day but… it dosn’t matter. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again UFC HW Div will NEVER BE LEGIT WITHOUT FEDOR.
All that aside Stikeforce/M1/CBS really did put on a great show (Frank Shamrock aside LOL) and represented MMA well in the mainstream. There was some great fights and a lot of diverse action showcasing all areas in MMA.
“I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again UFC HW Div will NEVER BE LEGIT WITHOUT FEDOR.”
And vice versa.
I’m happy for Rogers. Wouldn’t be surprised to seem him in the UFC soon. He’s a gamer and Dana would do well to bring him over. I thought Fedor looked like he always does; awaits his oportunity and goes after it. The thing that surprised me was that the fight didn’t end when Rogers was taken down in round one.
@Dbiz, your prior engagement was more exciting I just wish the final hadn’t been so close. I’ve got the fight on DVR if you want to watch it.
Can you guys imagine how good The Dream Catcher could be if he keeps progressing? The only things holding that guy back are lack of quality competition and a terrible nickname.
I already offered it to him at lunch and he is adamant in his desire to never watch an M-1 co-production. He flat out refuses.
You know all you fedor detractor’s or realist as you might call your self.I don’t see how this fight made you think lesnar would gnp fedor so easily.Aside from that one time rogers had fedor in trouble,fedor did a pretty good job throwing rogers around.Something nobody else has had success doing.I can’t help but go back to the couture lesnar fight in which lesar had trouble controlling randy.I think he would have just as much trouble controlling fedor.
I see your point but Randy is a bad example due to the styles difference.
Rematch???wasn’t like it was a close fight that went the distance.
I’M SURE ALL THE FEDORIANS IN FEDORIA WILL BE DANCING IN THE STREETS NOW THAT FEDOR HAS BEATEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST AND BEST HEAVY WEIGHTS SAM’S CLUB HAS EVER PRODUCED. HE WAS WORKING IN SAM’S A FEW MONTHS AGO!!!!!!!!!
Ok,and he probally didn’t even train for this fight or any of his other 11 wins on his UNDEFEATED record.He’s just a lucky bum.Is that what your saying?Or are you just trying to take something away from fedor?The fact of the matter is alot of fighters(well known fighters)still have other jobs because it takes a while to get that big payday in this sport.Just ask shane carwin.
BRETT HAS NOT FOUGHT ANYONE BUT ARLOSKI AND THAT COULD OF BEEN ONE OF THOSE RETARD MISTAKES. BUT FEDOR HAS MANAGED TO ONCE AGAIN CONVINCE SOME THAT FIGHTING SOMEONE WHO IS RELATIVELY NEW TO MMA MAKES HIM THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. BRETT DOESNT EVEN KNOW HOW TO TRAIN YET HE GASSED AFTER THE FIRST ROUND.
RJA,
Carwin still works his day job because he likes it, not because he needs the money.
And being an engineer isn’t a “job”, its a career…
Anybody else notice that Big John got the biggest reaction from the crowd last night.
I said the same thing haha
All the fights last night I thought sucked. The middleweight fight? WTF Henderson is going to own everyone. I would say Fedor would beat Lesnar now, not in a year or 2.
first of all im very impressed with fedor’s performance. So I guess he fights werdum now? As far as the whole fedor vs lesnar theory goes its a real no brainer folks….brock wouldnt be able to “donkey kong” fedor like he did mir and herring and I KNOW he wont stand with him like he did with couture so I would say fedor by armbar early in the first. Lesnar would be all to eagar to get the fight down where he could impose his will but fedor would armbar his silverback arm….probably the left one lol
Jawbreaker
Thats your opinion,and i’ll respect that.I just didn’t like the way that your implying that just because he worked at a steady job while fighting,he’s not a serious or legit fighter.Like i said before many fighters do that unless there like bj penn and never really had to work.
I DON’T MEAN TO IMPLY THAT BECAUSE HE WORKED AT SAM’S IT MAKES HIM A JOKE, JUST THAT HE IS AN INFANT AS FAR AS HIS MMA CARRER GOES. I THINK AFTER FIVE MORE FIGHT HE WOULD UNDERSTAND THE AMOUNT OF TRAINING IT WOULD TAKE TO COMPETE AT THE TOP. IF THEY REMATCH AT THAT TIME I THINK IT WOULD BE A WAY DIFFRENT FIGHT. I JUST WISH FEDOR WOULD FIGHT TOP CONTENDERS BUT HE CAN’T OR WON’T BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL IN THE UFC.
Well i can’t sit here and say that rogers does or doesn’t train hard,but i do assume anyone with 10 carrer mma fights takes there fights and there training seriously.Judging by that standard brock shouldn’t even be in the ufc let alone a champion.Hopefully we’ll eventually see fedor/alistair that should silence some of the critisism of the lack of competition.If he wins,thats a big if.
RJA
WELL, AGREE TO DISAGREE.
Would Hendo fight Mussasi.. he corners him? I don’t know if Hendo is one of “those” guys but I would love to see master fight student :D
Umm… Hendo cornered Sokoudjou, not Mousasi.
I think I “naturally” don’t like Fedor because he had a chance to fight the best in the world and isn’t. Hype is a powerful thing. Does anyone have Rogers ahead of the UFC’s top five or six?? If Velasquez was in Strikeforce, I think he would tear through the division.
Anyway, I’m posting today to find out one thing from you guys…Am I supposed to still be impressed with Fedor and HONESTLY believe he has a shot against Brock? Does anyone else envision Lesnar going Tazmanian Devil on Fedor??
Thanks, guys…
garrule…….fedor and m-1 global couldnt come to terms with the ufc because they refuse to co-promote unlike strikeforce. Everyone has their opinions on how brock would donkey kong fedor or how fedor would maul and submit brock. Im gonna have to say that fedor would beat brock…badly and im a lesnar fan. Brock hasnt fought a complete MMA fighter yet. Mir is a BJJ wizard but he has improved his boxing enough to KO big nog but not enough to stand with brock. Fedor could stand with him….trade…and KO him if they slugged it out.
Brock beat Mir on the ground, in Mir’s strength, not his “weakness” of standing.
Um yah.. you probably should, he won the fight because he recognized that rogers telegraphed his punches with his feet. That is top shelf skill and another KO from someone much smaller with far less reach, being confident enough to drop under a shot, come over the top and deliver that much power shows amazing skill.
Most thought this would end on the ground via sub.. it didn’t. Fedor showed he can throw people around like it’s nothing using weight displacement that are much bigger then he is, like Brock, so if anything that fight showed probably exactly what would happen if Fedor fought Brock. Brock charges in, Fedor uses his momentum to throw him get on top and GnP.
Personally I don’t think Brock is technical enough to fight Fedor.. to answer your question he probably WOULD go tasmania devil on Fedor and that would be the end of Brock. Brock would give Fedor all the aggressive openings he would need to to end the fight quick.
The stronger and faster they are the more momentum Fedor has to use against them.
To this day I’m still trying to figure out the logic behind people that say that Brock Lesnar would destroy Fedor. You ask them why and they say the same old crap, “Oh because Brock Lesnar is great at wrestling and he’s bigger”…..
So effin what!!?? Do the homework. Fedor has already fought bigger and stronger opponents on many..i repeat many occasions. Fedor has already took massive hits to the face and been slammed which still didn’t phase him! He’s a machine! Fedor has already fought great wrestlers.
So really, what does Brock Lesnar truly offer to the table?
These guys make it sound that Brock Lesnar has a top secret weapon that Dana White doesn’t even know that will automatically beat Fedor..that’s hilarious! They spend too much time in the clouds and under Dana White’s UFC hypnosis. They should NOT be thinking what Brock can do to Fedor but what Fedor can do to Brock..
Fedor can knock down bigger and heavier opponents in a single blow as proven
Fedor is faster that Brock
Fedor can utilize all strikes such as kicking, punching, and kneeing powerfully
Fedor is an expert in take downs and has a great ground game with grappling and locks
Fedor is a master of ground and pound
Fedor is more intelligent by having the ability to find weaknesses fast and can adapt faster than any fighter I have ever seen.
Fedor has so much accuracy that Brock
Fedor has excellent conditioning
Fedor has more experience than Brock
There is nothing that Fedor doesn’t exel in, he’s literally the best all around fighter.
So in other words, what are they talking about??? Please enlighten me.
Its beyond absurd to say that Brock would beat Fedor.
i don’t doubt fedor would beat brock,
but try factoring in brocks strengths as well. how they could match up ?
your post would be more interesting, less slobbering fan like…
i could list 10 things mir is great at but he didnt get to use his strengths in brock 2 did he???
how exactly does one get out from under lesnar?
it would be insane not to consider his takedown prowess and only have the one plan to stand up…
;)
I agree with you hercules,as you see in my above comments,but just to play devils advocate,his athletisism,strength and abnormal speed for a guy his size is why they think he can beat fedor.IMO thats not enough.
Don’t forget Fedor also has not fallen into the trap most of the best fighters end up falling into. Once becoming dominant many fighters start looking to dominate fights but not finish them with the same fire they did when they are up-and-comers. Fedor has never lost that fire and always looks to finish his opponent and takes calculated risks to do it as opposed to always sticking to a safer gameplan.
His gameplan is to finish his opponent every time.
I need to add that Fedor absolutely needs new interpreter. The woman that translates for him makes a lot of mistakes and doe snot translate exactly what Fedor says and cannot translate the spirit of Fedor’s answers.
Me and my wife found her translation horrible.
Thanks God for Fedor’s win and hope he will get well as soon as possible.
I am Fedor’s loyal fan since PrideFC
mods, kindly ban CBrown
He’s on moderation, but thanks for bringing him to our attention. For future reference, sending one of us a message is usually more effective than a comment on a thread.
I obviously know that Fedor’s reasons were totally financial.
I personally think that Brock would prove to be too athletic for Fedor. If Brock were Fedor’s weight, it might be a different story. I’m not saying Brock is a better martial artist, just a freak of nature. If the stars align maybe someday we’ll get this fight!
mir is great but brocks new smothering technique is an innovation out of wrestling it’s his own unique contribution to mma. mir had no answer.
most of todays fighters look for subs or sweeps from the bottom by waiting for the opponent to posture up.
brock might not be as fast or as skilled or even hit as hard as fedor but fedor would have to find an answer for this new smothering technique to beat brock …
assuming brock were to actually get a takedown before getting decapitated by fedor. i could easily imagine either scenario playing out.
I won’t be surprised if defenses to smothering evolve. carwin’s trainers probably have software for it by now.
i’m happy to watch the ‘sold separately’ round robins for now though :
brock carwin nog GG dos santos cain kongo
fedor overeem rogers hopefully barnett werdum AA
actually that “smothering technique” was actually Mir holding a 50-50 guard and that came from Atos Jiu Jitsu Team… you grab that bottom position to stall and hope they make a mistake because no one is supposed to be able to finish from there…about that… ;)
By “no one is supposed to be able to finish”, I’m assuming that Atos means no one human, and not when a BJJ ace is facing some genetic throwback from the fu<king Ice Age…
;)
Atos didn’t plan on someone with 4x gloves throwing shots at your head…
Fedor can definitely go blow to blow standup against Brock. I’m pretty sure everyone agrees. Fedor already ate Brett Rogers heavy fist that knocked out champions for dinner and he was ready for desert. So saying that Brock could knock him out is out of the picture.
So the only option left is the ground
Now on the ground, Fedor is an expert on the ground. The only way to possibly beat Fedor is using his smothering tactics that made him victorious.
Good luck trying to smother Fedor. Even on the ground he is a dangerous man. I agree that Brock would have to first get passed Fedor’s fast, powerful, accurate hands made of Russian steel. The one hitter quitter.
Did you guys forget that Hong Man Choi the 7’2, 319 pound Korean Godzilla tried use that smothering tactic against Fedor and still was unsuccessful? Just watch that old fight and see for yourself.
Like I said earlier is that Fedor adapts faster than any opponent. He even said stated that before fighting Brett Rogers he watched all his fights and found a weakness and used that to his timing advantage which obviously worked.
Fedor is a genius and would definitely be prepared offensively and defensively if that opportunity with Brock came.
How in the world would Brock train against someone who is just great at everything???
Brock Lesnar has more speed, athleticism, functional strength, and wrestling ability in one hand than the mutant HMC has in his whole body. Comparing the two is almost criminal in its irrelevance.
If Lesnar pins Fedor to the mat, or against the cage, he’s going to get pounded on like a railroad spike until the round ends or the ref waves Lesnar off.
And Lesnar wouldn’t need luck smothering Fedor. He will outweigh him by fight night by 50 pounds of solid muscle, and is the superior wrestler.
Fedor’s best chance of beating Lesnar in this theoretical throwdown is to keep the fight standing, try to pick his shots, and if and when he rocks Lesnar, hook him in a submission.
Or are we supposed to believe that Fedor is somehow going to outwrestle a MUCH larger and stronger [former] NCAA Div.1 champion who’s entire MMA gameplan is designed to drag opponents to the mat and silverback them??
i wouldn’t compare those two gorilla’s
tit for tat anyway..
however,
but to dismiss any comparitive aspects is missing the reality of MMA.
brock proved that if you are dominant in one area you can trump the fact that you are outclassed in others.
chrisl makes about key point mir’s guard.
in a weird way when you have a technique under your belt you can sometimes become less able to be in the moment and come up with something – and fast. mir in a way was (in that fight) a slave to his own technique. not to take away from brock’s awesome new technique but as brock likes to put it ‘the fight was given away not won’
rogers has a good sense of how to avoid subs and takedown. i doubt brock’d keep him there like the mir 2
i won’t offer any cocky assurances what might happen if fedor was nder brocks side control – but i wouldn’t be surprised at either fighters abilities.
still hoping it’ll happen
HMC is also a K-1 kickboxer trying to smother, not a D-1 wrestler.
I have to admit, I love watching Brock fight, so I guess I’m a fan…
But reading you guys bash him is hilarious. I don’t think I’ve ever actually LOLed before…like, actually laughed out load to something I’ve read…but jchol’s “facing some genetic throwback from the fu<king Ice Age…" line did it.
I just really started watching Fedor, I just usually watch UFC and that’s it and just started watching other mma event etc…… To be honest I can’t really say who would win between him and Brock but I will have to say that I’m not ready to jump all over Brocks balls for just about 6 fights in the ufc…
jcoh, I certainly agree with you on some points…on “some” points so let me explain. Forget Hong Man Choi for a second and let’s talk about Brock.
Out of 4 fights, Lesnar used his smothering techniques and size advantage (what your basing your argument on).
So what were the result?
1. VS Mir 1: Mir submitted him. Fedor is as good as Mir if not better on the ground.
2. VS Couture. Couture was able to neutralize his wrestling. He managed to overcome Brock’s smothering technique. Couture ONLY loss by a shoulder to the face, never from Brock’s wrestling. In fact Couture injured Brock but cutting him. I guarantee you if it was Fedor that connected, Brock would be lights out.
3. VS Herring: Heath Herring was being ripped apart but managed to survive Brock’s smothering technique all the way until the end of 3 rounds! I mean 3 rounds of Brock’s wrestling and still NOT get TKOed!! This just shows that it is possible to survive that. Fedor can certainly take more punishing hits that Herring can.
4. VS Mir 2. Brocks technique actually was successful.
So, 1 out of 4??? You’re basing that likelihood of your scenario from that?????
I just proved to you that Brock’s technique is survivable and can be neutralized. These are facts not opinions and the videos speak for themselves. Anyone in MMA can win and yes, disappointments can happen to anyone. However, I still believe that logically Fedor would win.
Keyword: logically
Don’t forget Fedor has fought bigger, faster, stronger, and better strikers than he has. Have you forgot that he defeated Kevin Randleman a two time Division I NCAA Champion in wrestlin and former heavyweight champion in UFC??
This thread should have probably already died, but seeing as how you tried breathing a last spark of life into it, I’ll do you the courtesy of a response, but a response that for me is uncharacteristically succinct.
The frenZy’s resident SAMBO expert, chrisl, stated the case far better than I ever could when he insightfully pointed out that there exists no SAMBO technique, or I’ll add any other martial art move or sport combat mechanic, for getting a raging 300 pound Neanderthal who also happens to be a former NCAA Div.1 All-American and national wrestling champion off of you from the crucifix position.
Fedor has shown a willingness to go to the ground, and Lesnar’s entire gameplan is geared towards him taking down his opponent ALREADY IN either the crucifix are the half guard. Either of those positions is horrendous for any MMA fighter, let alone a fighter outweighed by 50 pounds of muscle.
1. In Lesnar’s first UFC fight against Frank Mir, a former UFC HW champion, he executed his “crucifix takedown”, AKA “silverback’ing” sloppily, and thereby got caught by a BJJ ace.
2. In Lesnar’s second UFC fight, he was repeatedly told by his corner to NOT use his trademark silverback technique against Herring, a fighter who at the time of their fight had TWELVE TIMES the MMA experience that Lesnar had, and also because he hadn’t yet developed any skills with which to defend himself from submissions, nor any specific ground striking other than “Hulk smash!”.
Therefore Lesnar simply pummeled Herring until the fight was over.
And as it turned out, said pummeling contributed to the temporary halting of Herring’s career, as he hasn’t fought since, and has announced no plans to fight since withdrawing from the Velasquez fight at UFC 99 and making movies.
3. In Lesnar’s third UFC fight, and fourth overall, in which he won the UFC HW title from a Hall of Famer in Randy Couture, he didn’t need to resort to trying to ground and outwrestle one of the very few men in the sport with wrestling skills superior to his own, because he had a tremendous age, size, and strength advantage. He simply mauled Couture much in the way a grizzly bear mauls some dumb-a$$ camper who decides its cool or smart to sleep in the woods with a cooler full of steaks, and won the title.
4. In Lesnar’s fourth UFC fight, and first since fully commiting to training with Erik Paulson in catch-wrestling and Shooto Lockflow submissions and sub defense, he debuted his refined silverback technique against a Frank Mir who was in the best shape of his career, and at the peak of his MMA skillset.
And we all saw how that worked out at 100.
So, Hercules, while I appreciate your energy and effort, the reality is that Lesnar has used his now-fully developed silverback technique exactly once, and against one of this sport’s top ground fighters, and pounded him bloody and senseless in under 8 minutes.
Therefore the success rate of his silverback technique is 100% effective, and was proven against a former UFC HW champion and one of the top BJJ men in the sport.
We’ll have to wait until Lesnar recovers from mono to see if his technique will be needed, or be successful against Shane Carwin. I’ve already gone on record here at the frenZy by posting that Lesnar will most likely beat Carwin in under 10 minutes, probably by ref stoppage, and leave Carwin looking like the victim of a Jason Voorhees attack.
Some agree with me, while many do not.
Fedor, for all the reasons I’ve posted, would IMO fare no better.
Again, some agree with me, while many do not. A recent frenZy poll shows that 60% of you think Fedor could beat Lesnar, while 40% of us know better.
;)
I hope this satisfies your need for me to clarify or otherwise justify my Lesnar-Fedor position…
Should’ve used APA format with that long essay you wrote…just kidding…when you say 40% know better, I hope you weren’t one of those guys that thought Machida was going to destroy Shogun too…because 90% “knew better”…
You noticed what you said about Lesnar fighting Randy? He wouldn’t fight someone superior in wrestling. Don’t you think Lesnar knows that about Fedor? Fedor excels on the ground. That is his second home. He can triangle choke, leg log, arm bar, crucifix almost anyone. He is far better that Mir is on the ground. Lesnar didn’t have a choice against a champion like Randy to take the fight to the mat so he was forced to fight standing up…but if he fought standup against Fedor, its Lesnar that’s going to get is skull caved in and I think everyone on this forum can attest to that if their minds are in terms with reality. Saying otherwise is absurd.
While its too early to determine what Lesnar can do because he hasn’t fought that many fights yet, its easier to determine what Fedor can do.
Bottom line here: It was already proven that Lesnar can get submitted on the ground (he’s not invincible as you think)
It was already proven that not ALL of Lesnar’s fights end on the ground.
It was already proven that if Lesnar took the fight on the ground his opponent could survive Lesnar’s powerful punches and last till the end without a TKO.
If Mir can submit Lesnar you don’t think Fedor has a chance?
If Randy can stay off the ground and land a few punches at Lesnar to cut his eye open you don’t think Fedor can do more especially what one punch did to Brett Rogers?
If Herring can take all of Brock’s punches and last 3 rounds you don’t think Fedor can?
I’m being realistic here. I talk about what Lesnar DID not what you think he can do. Lesnar has NEVER fought anyone like Fedor. I guess time will only tell and I’m pretty much done talking about this