UFC 104 Results: Machida Retains Title With Controversial Win Over “Shogun,” Velasquez Dominates Rothwell
The “Machida Era” was extended in controversial fashion on Saturday, as light heavyweight champ Lyoto Machida was awarded a questionable unanimous decision win over Mauricio “Shogun” Rua in the main event of UFC 104 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles.
In a decision that was met with boos from the live crowd and claims of robbery and calls for an immediate rematch from online fans, the judges awarded Machida the victory with 48-47 scores despite Rua winning the bout on nearly every observer’s scorecard.
Rua’s strategy relied on damaging leg and body kicks that left Machida battered after the five-round technical showdown, while Machida connected less frequently with precision strikes. Despite more frequent and damaging blows, the decision was given to the reigning champ, who was defending the title for the first time since winning the belt from Rashad Evans in May.
Machida remains undefeated, improving to 16-0 in the victory with his eight-straight wins inside the Octagon tied for second-best in the promotion’s history, while Rua falls to 18-4 in defeat.
In the UFC 104 co-headliner, Cain Velasquez cemented his status as a top heavyweight contender with a dominating win over Ben Rothwell. After blitzing the IFL veteran for the entirety of the opening round, Velasquez picked up where he left off in the second, taking Rothwell to the ground and quickly finishing him with punches.
Velasquez, now 8-0 on his career with five-straight UFC wins, remains in line for a future title show, while Rothwell falls to 30-7 and will return to the Octagon in search of his first UFC win to get him back on track.
In other main card action, Gleison Tibau used dominant takedowns to pick up a decision over Josh Neer, Joe Stevenson forced Spencer Fisher to tap to a barrage of elbows, and Antony Johnson earned a 41-second knockout of Yoshiyuki Yoshida.
On the preliminary card, The Ultimate Fighter 8 winner Ryan Bader earned a unanimous decision over Eric Schafer, Pat Barry kicked off the Spike TV card with an impressive second-round TKO of Antoni Hardonk, Chael Sonnen dominated Yushin Okami en route to a unanimous decision win, and Jorge Rivera, Kyle Kingsbury, and Stefan Struve also earned wins.
The official results for UFC 104 were:
- Lyoto Machida (c) def. Mauricio “Shogun” Rua via unanimous decision (48-47, 48-47, 48-47)
UFC Light Heavyweight Championship - Cain Velasquez def. Ben Rothwell via TKO (strikes) — Round 2, 0:58
- Gleison Tibau def. Josh Neer via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 29-28)
- Joe Stevenson def. Spencer Fisher via submission (strikes) — Round 2, 4:03
- Anthony Johnson def. Yoshiyuki Yoshida via TKO (strikes) — Round 1, 0:41
- Ryan Bader def. Eric Schafer via unanimous decison (29-28, 29-28, 29-28)
- Patrick Barry def. Antoni Hardonk via TKO (strikes) — Round 2, 2:30
- Chael Sonnen def. Yushin Okami via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)
- Jorge Rivera def. Rob Kimmons via TKO (strikes) — Round 3, 1:53
- Kyle Kingsbury def. Razak Al-Hassan via split decision (28-29, 29-28, 29-28)
- Stefan Struve def. Chase Gormley via submission (triangle choke) — Round 1, 4:04
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Pictured: Lyoto Machida
Tags: Anthony Johnson, Antoni Hardonk, Ben Rothwell, Cain Velasquez, Chael Sonnen, Chase Gormley, Eric Schafer, Gleison Tibau, Joe Stevenson, Jorge Rivera, Josh Neer, Kyle Kingsbury, Lyoto Machida, Mauricio “Shogun” Rua, Patrick Barry, Razak Al-Hassan, Rob Kimmons, Ryan Bader, Spencer Fisher, Stefan Struve, Yoshiyuki Yoshida, Yushin Okami
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Machida won…he won round 1,2 and 3. He is the champ, and you need to beat the champ
shogun won end of story
Edited for personal attacks, content removed~ FR702
Guess what homeboy, Rua lost…if he is so good he would have finished the fight, he didnt…he lost deal with it
LOL @JR, man you say if shoguns so good he would of finished the fight? What about Machida,didnt impress as he took a beating for the first time. I hate shogun with a passion lol and I know he won tonight.
First time I have seen the UFC do something like this, every match should be scored fairly. The current champion should not get preferential scorring as machida did in this fight. Hands down Rua beat his ass!
The UFC doesn’t score, the judges provided by the ACs do.
haha homeboy huh u obviously dont no what your talking about i dont see anyone agreeing with you
Edited, content removed~ FR702
Shogun won. Lyoto knows. PERIOD!
That’s it! Frenzy friends, you won’t see me for some time, I need to get away to get over this sham that is Machida vs. Rua! The card was excellent, the Machida fight was awesome, but Machida din not win!
Im not saying this because I was rooting for Rua, it’s because Rua was more aggressive and did more damage. Machida did well, but the kicks he received stifled his game plan.
I can’t believe all refs scored the same!
UNBELIEVABLE!
your crazy matt shogun won that hands down thats some bs he lost!!!!
omg…..the refs and the judges should be brought backstage and be beat on by all the fighters on the card
HAhaha thatws funny it brought a smile too my face, and thats hard because right now i am pissssed! thanks tho, but shogun def should have won!
The only thing that makes any sense is if the judges awarded Machida heavily for stuffing takedowns?
all ya’all are wrong, that fight was boring as ****, 1st time i was sad that a fight wasnt 3 round since tim silva got fired, yea shogun probably deserved the win, but was hard enough watchin fights without joe rogan and his lover bill goldberg talkin 1 sided bout all the fighters, i watched the last 3 rounds on mute because couldnt stand them anymore, that main event was a joke might as well watch thiago vs silva for a 2nd time.. jesus
If you beleive Machida won Round 1, 2 and 3 then your an
idiot. SHOGUN GOT ROBBED!!!@jchol
True, Machida did an awesome job of that. Ok, im done now.
Matt are you serious??? really wow you must be as blind as the judges……
I think the main event was a great fight. It could have went either way. I do believe we did see the two best fighters at 205 tonight. I would have a hard time seeing any other fighter going the distance with either one of these guys.
Shogun won that fight pretty clearly in my mind, machida looked gassed in the later rounds and was taking alot of damage from those kicks. Pretty bad call on the judges part, also noticed the crowd was fairly weak even when the Buffer360 was announcing the main event.
Can I ask… Did anyone else put money on Shogun to win? I really have a feeling this fight was fixed.
Me and five others have just watched the disgrace that was the result of that fight. Everyone except for 3 people saw shogun win that fight!! Even the machida’s waiting for the result looked disappointed and the relief was there to see when he was handed that win! In no way did he earn it. Total disgrace
first off matt, what fight were you watching. im a big machida fan, and even i know he didnt win that fight. shogun beat him up all five rounds, machida maybe won the 3rd round but thats it. so like i said what fight were you watching
Shogun won that fight but sadly the judges thought otherwise. I think true MMA afficionados will agree that Shogun was the better fighter in that fight.
Shogun won that fight
Well the good news is that the judges for the Bisping-Hamill fight are off the hook for it being the worst decision ever…
Rutten v Randleman?
Fair point.
I am a purist who thinks in orer to be the champ, you have to beat the champ, but that was the worst call this side of Hamill-Bisping. Shogun clearly won rounds 2,4,and 5, and I also would have given him round 1. He inflicted more damage, was the aggressor, and clearly controlled the pace of the fight. Given the reaction of the crowd, it appears the only 3 people that thought Machida won that fight at the Staples Center were the judges.
The commentators focused too much on shogun lol even tho at times machida made some hits commentators would still talk about the kicks of shogun. im guessing they got too excited and was like “finally, machida getting hit woooooo”
I found that fight pure robbery of shogun. EVERYONE around the octagon scored that for Rua. Those 3 judges are going to get a lot of heat and an investigation should ensue. That was BULL! Observer’s everywhere saw Rua win that found Round for Round. At least 3,4,5 Were to RUA. Machida was damn near INJURED with that right knee. So much bull. Fixed is a close word for it. I can see MAYBE a DRAW MAYBE. 48-47 all 3 judges, NO WAY.
Hey at least the judges picked a fighter from the fight. They didn’t pick a fighter that wasn’t fighting so they did something right.
that made me laugh man lmao
thats what I think it was the hole stopping the takedown thing
the got Machida the win
Shogun won. Me and the 2 guys I was watching with also thought so. The funny thing was, we were talking about how some how this fight is gonna go to Machida by the judges being retards!
I know its late, and we’re all tired and/or drunk, but lets try to avoid libelous posts inferring any wrongdoing, aside from the horrendous decision.
Those sorts of posts put Kris in an awkward position, and we don’t want to make any extra work for our mod squad, do we?
@MR J
But really, when had Machida been hit like that? Never! This fight showed that Machida is beatable (regardless of the decision.) This fight showed alot.
I think of it as when Kimbo fought Roy Nelson. Everyone knew that Roy had to take Kimbo down to win, but no one REALLY knew how bad Kimbo sucked on the ground. Roy showed his weakness. Now, whoever Kimbo fights, best believe that will be the first thing they try!
So, im assuming whoever fights Machida next, will try to take a page out of Rua’s book and unleash some leg strikes. But Rua is on another level.
Great fight regardless.
*Rua is on another level of most fighters. (Didn’t mean Machida)
Rua may not have won the decision he earned, but he did shatter Machida’s myth of unbeatability…
In order to be a true champ you have to successfully defend your title and be convincing in doing so. Shogun was the better fighter, he proved that but the judges robbed him of his win.
Not that my opinion means anything, cause the being in life who gets the last word is GOD on judgment day, and I know his judgment will be just (unlike us humans) without partiality and without favourtism… But man where do these judges come from? and what were they basing their decisions from, octagon control – rua won that. what striking ? – cause rua won that as well, oh i get it Machida having bruised ribs, limping on one leg, and banged up from strikes *his face w/ visible signs of one taking damage)remember that elbow he took!!! is not good enough, all the champ has to do is stuff take downs, land a few strikes while taking punishment doing so and survive & he keeps his title, crazy man, it is clear that the judges were either from Salvador brazil, and or secret machida admirers. either way rua won, machida lost in my opinion 4 rounds to 1, the only round machida won was the third round and thats only because he stole the round with a flurry, but he took some licks even in his flurry, wonder why he didn’t finish rua if it was so devastating… but i get it the “the love of money is the root of all evil” and yet i see it again. Rua Shogun was robbed, plain and simple!!! machida lost and he and his camp knows it!!!!
WOW, thats where you are taking your opinion, that is pretty amazing good (troll?) job
WTF?
Saw this on Joe Rogan’s Twitter:
“Welcome To The Machida ERROR!”
thats not what he said, he said
just a setting it straight not an attack
I gets ya FR, now that I read it, it does look like I said Rogan wrote that. My bad, I posted that in the forums too.
There is no doubt that Shogun’s leg kicks were extremely effected, but unless you physically crack under them, they’re meant for wearing down your opponent more than finishing them. Perhaps the judges value strikes to the head over strikes to the body/legs. It’s clear in the fight that Machida’s the one who was trying to finish the fight, and believe it or not, he was the one who came closer of the two to doing so, on quite a few occasions.
I’m not saying that Machida should have won, but those of you saying that there is NO POSSIBLE WAY Machida could have won the fight by any means need to open your eyes.
@Gun
I hear what your saying. Machida wasn’t a cake-walk by any means. Rua had a tough task at hand and it showed. Machida took alot of damage and inflicted some at the same time, but only once in the third is where he had Rua in trouble. But even then, Rua countered with a right that quickly stopped the exchange.
Not hatin’ on you. Ohio is in the building!
Ok just finished watchin it for the 3rd time (this last time on my own). Machida landed a few more head strikes, but none were damaging. Nothing that really stumbled Shogun, even his flurry in round 3, nothing connected incredibly clean. Shogun was dominant with leg and body kicks, the swelling on Machidas left mid section and the swelling on top of his knees proved that. His knees were so swollen Machida did not get into his “karate” fighting stance in rounds 4 or 5. I had Shogun 4 to 1.
This is tough to swallow as an MMA fan. I am a huge Machida fan and I was frustrated the entire fight. Shogun did something GREAT…he beat a guy who has never lost a round and he will never get credit for it. This is a true shame and I haven’t seen the post-fight presser but I hope Dana comes out and flat out says wut a bunch of BS that decision was.
if Machida won this fight then SO DID MARQUEZ when he fought floyd….this is a disgrace and the ufc prides it self on not have the same fixed fights boxing has! I hope shogun doesnt leave and go back to pride but if he does i definately will understand!!! and if DANA white says one dumb think in order to sell this bull**** decision then he should be fired from the UFC. HE better go in that press conference and man up saying “we f#*#ked up!” if i hear any bull**** from him i will most certainly puke
“Fixed fights?!”
“Dana fired from the UFC?”
Look, its late, and a lot of us have been drinking for hours, but lets not post anything in the heat of the moment we’ll regret in the morning…
first of all
your dumb, because dana and the ufc dont score the fightsyou idiot !…..also you must not know much because pride is dead! pride has been dead for years….also shogun wont leave the ufc its not there judges stupid….sorry for the bashing guys but this kid really grinds my gears……..also the only puking that is going on gareth is me puking when i saw your post because it was so wrong overall in every aspectEdited~ FR702
Gun, he’s probably either some middle schooler or super-casual fan that doesn’t realize that those PRIDE clip shows and DVDs are like 5 years old or more…
gun and jcohl, this gareth just sounds like some bad mouthing boxing loving troll IMO?
go back to pride???????????????? Are these people serious listen if u don’t watch mma on the regular go post on yahoo or somewhere else I didn’t post last night but I think that the decision was justified either way it has always been u have to decisively beat the champion to win the belt I don’t feel like shogun did that
WELOME TO THE MAcHIDA ERROR!!! lol
Plain and Simple, Shogun won. WTF?
this is why u dont gamble on sports!!! cuz even when u win lol YOU LOOSE…..for the guy out there that put his last thousand on SHOGUN (underdog) and watched him WIN, then feeling like “yes i can finally pay my bills and pay of some debt” then hearing that decision, that grounds to kill yourself.
MACHIDA should be a man and if not give the belt back!! atleast say he felt he lost the figt and would like another chance to prove himself
again dumby please stop posting stupid posts…..for one if someone has a thousand dollars left they shouldnt be gambling! or there stupid also!…if they have debt then you shouldnt be gambling stop making it sound like people are gonna be effected by this …wa! wa! wa! cry cry sob! bad choices by judges happen alot ….guess what mma fans will get over it….stop crying shogun fan boy
Gunslinger my friend, are you feeding the trolls tonight?
every champion has a bad moment this was machidas, gsps was the serror ko, andersons was the cote and leites fights, bj was against gsp every champion has something major happen and then they recover the same will happen here this will only help machida change his game for the better both machida and shogun will grow from this and mark my words they will fight again and when they do it will be an even better fight than this one was
yes jcohl i cant help myself i love going to the zoo and feeding animlas but i havent been there in a while so im substatuting it with feeding trolls
I can’t figure out which 3 rounds he won. Machida said it best himself after the fight when he said, “The 3 judges thought I won…”
This isn’t a matter of which rounds did Machida win, but rather HOW did he win them?
My guess would be by stuffing takedowns and at least giving the illusion that he was the aggressor during the fight.
Also, headkicks > legkicks…
Cmon dana wtf u know u might lose fans with this crap. Lyoto and his camp know they ****ing lost. Shogun gave a ****ing beating to Lyoto.
Shogun WON PERIOD.
I think Dana announced an immediate rematch by the sounds of the press conference? I could be wrong I just started watching but the reporters questions sound like it
did anyone else see dana go over to shogun and tell him that he won?
ya I saw that too, glad we’ll get a rematch
Watching Machida speak during the press conference makes me feel he will find a way to woop Shogun next time.
yeah but this was a bad decision victory for machida. no ones ever hit him like that
THIS GUY!!!! “Gareth”
let it go,
we all know Shogun won the fight
Alright, I was really going to try and avoid getting on the Frenzy tonight because Im still so incredibly pissed off about the way the judges scored that goddamn fight.
SHOGUN RUA WON THAT FIGHT.
You can analyze it all you want, but Shogun was more aggressive, he landed more strikes, he did decent in the clinch. There wasnt much grappling to be scored besides Machida’s takedown defense…So all that leaves is striking, octagon control, and aggression. Plain and simple, Shogun won in all three of those categories. He has Machida backing up half the time, and by the end of the fight, all you had to do was look at Machida and you KNEW that he lost. Shogun got robbed.
Effective Grappling – Machida for his takedown defense
Aggression – Shogun Rua
Striking – Shogun Rua (close….but shogun was more consistent and effective)
Octagon Control – Shogun Rua (he was slightly more aggressive and he has Machida backing up quite a few times)
Need I say more?
Rua won rounds 1 and 2, no doubt about it. Round 3 went to Machida. Round 4 was pretty even, but i guess some people could give it to Machida. Shogun won round 5. There is NO WAY IN F****** H3LL that Machida won that, especially unanimously. Pardon me language, and if Im bashing or anything, but come on guys, I know theres more than a few people on here that agree with me.
Machida is an amazing fighter, and I see him beating pretty much anyone other than Shogun or Anderson(even tho they will never fight eachother).
If you consider takedown defense the most important aspect of a championship fight then yeah, Machida did win. Except wait, takedown defense is not the best way to score points. Both fighters did a great job, but Shogun was better tonight.
But Shogun showed weakness in Machida tonight, he exposed him, and he did it to perfection. He out pointed the Dragon, and HE WON THAT FIGHT. HANDS DOWN. Not an opinion…a fact. Shogun Rua should be the UFC Light Heavyweight Champion of the World right now.
I am disgusted. Sorry if I said anything to offend anyone or any of the Moderators, but I just cant see how they awarded Machida the Unanimous Victory.
Rematch much? I say h3ll yeah
I completely agree with JENKINS! Shogun won that fight. My words to describe whoever (if anyone did, that is) fixed that fight. Because it just seems to the majority of viewers that SHOGUN won… Too bad something fishy seems to have transpired.
Anyway… regardless of who won… the fight was pretty, pretty, pretty good. So, we all win, even though we also all sort of got robbed (I feel that way) too.
Exactly. Thank you. And to the people who said the main event was boring. When you have two guys who have that kind of striking ability, obviously theyre going to pick their shots and take it slow…but there was so much suspense in that fight and everytime one of them threw a punch or kick, I was on the edge of my seat. I thought it was highly entertaining.
I really hope Shogun gets a rematch.
He just silenced all his critics IMO
OH AND….The whole night as Im sittin there with my homies and my girl, I have a group of Loud, Drunk, Casual fans yelling and saying the stupidest stuff. Its so frustrating to sit through that many fights while listening to someone talk about MMA like they know everything about it.
Somebody shoot me with a tranquilizer before i lose my mindddd
i loved the fight so much everyone in my house thought it was boring but every little move that ment somethin i jumped out of my seat i had the fight
rua
1,4,5 won hands down i literaly almst cried
i wanna see rua vs silva later in the future
What a BS decision Shogun 100% won that fight
I feel your pain
Machida landed some good punches why does know one give him recogniction for it. Rewatch the fight machida won
Who’d ya think’s hurting more this morning?
Shogun looked good – Machida didn’t.
Who looked more tired or demoralised?
Sure Shogun did’t manage to take Machida down – so he used his kicks to stifle Machida and wear him down.
I’ve never watched these fighters before – I’m no UFC expert, but hey: they say you can put lipstick on a pig….
Shogun should be given the belt AND get compensation ($$$) for having to go through this.
They are talking about a rematch? I’m pretty sure Machida has to EARN the rematch first. I don’t think Dan Hendersons comming back if this is how he sees the championship fights are dealt with.
The o guy is trolling so hard right now. I really hope Dana gets an investigation on those judges done so he can show that this stuff does not belong in the ufc or mma. He should try and save the face of the ufc events even though the judges are from the athletic commission because people WILL associate crooked judges with whatever company is putting on the show.
I genuinely do not know which fight you were watching? Rua controlled machida all night. The one effective piece of offense that mattered was his flurry in the third, and if you rewatch it he only connects with a small of amount of those punches with minimal power, and backed off when rua connected with a crisp right hand, compare that to his flurry against rashad and the difference was massive, he simply could not properly connect on him!! The only damage he dealt was reddening rua’s ribs and a bruised temple! Then you look at rua, that man methodically took away machida’s karate with his gameplan, destroy his legs! He shut the apparant elusive style down, and yes he missed on some takedowns but he always followed up with a clinch and some knees or some punches, he never ran away once because he couldn’t do it, he stayed aggressive! And at the end of the fifth did machida look like he thought he had won, he didn’t chase down rua or try to finish because he knew he couldn’t, the man had already given up because he knew he lost and that is not the right attitude of a champ and he is not the champ in 99% of people’s minds! So take your lips of machida’s ass, watch the fight again and face the truth
i think the biggest thing in the fight was a sense of disappointment in the quality of mashida’s fight. even if he “won” the fight, which i guess being the champ and not being knocked out, he did he didnt win in his usual fashion. shogun kicked the crap out of him and made him look ordinary. i am a really big mashida fan couldnt wait to see him destroy shogun. didnt happen, not even a bit. very sad actually. he is human like the rest of us.
has to be hands down the worst decision in UFC history!
UFC will probably lose a lot of casual fans because of this. This fight was HUGE, and at least 3 casuals when I go to watch said stuff like “MMA’s fixed”, “This is no different from wrestling”, “$%$ #$#$%#$ $%#$%# stupid fight”, “I’m not wasting my time watching this anymore”.
The pre fight stuff made Machida out to be superhuman, the fight exposed him, and the decision unexplicably favored him. Kind of hard not to blame the casuals for distrusting MMA after this one.
Thankfully their next “ppv” is free on Spike and the one after that is Lesnar vs Carwin.
i watched the fight 3 times now and when i was messed up i thought oh no my boy lost his belt. but i watched it again last night and saw lyoto was the only person putting more then 1 punch at a time and he was hittin him with the first punch and then gettin blocked for3,4, and 5but you still have to give him the first strike. then i watched it a 3rd time 20 min ago totally sober. if you count rua only landed 3 strikes and 2 were leg kicks in round 4!!! machida only landed 5 straight punches and a couple of kicks, but you could give machida 2,3,4 and maybe1. the thing is machida was trying to end it with his combo straight punches and rua knew he wasnt going to ko him so he went with leg kicks to out point him. and truthfully he did more noticeable damage but at no time did he have lyoto about to quit or even dizzy alittle. i veiw this more of a tito forrest or a tito rashad dec. not as bad as hammil bisbing at all.not worried we will see it again. i bet then shogun actually tries to knock him out then!!!!
Rogan pointed out :
SHOGUNS right hand was the hardest strike that in machida’s best flurry (end of 3rd round).
in terms of inflicting significant damage shogun won every round.
this isn’t olympic boxing.
I’M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE FACT THAT THIS WAS THE HIGHEST LEVEL MODERN EVOLVED MMA I’VE EVER SEEN. despite the unpopular dec.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF POSTERS THE COMMENTATORS, DANA, EVERYONE BUT THE REFS GIVE IT TO SHOGUN.
ON THE FLIP SIDE WE GET A REMATCH NOW FOR SURE – LUCKY FANS
shogun won that fight fair in square…and he was robbed out of what should be his LHW title. Even dana white admits in his opinion shogun was the victor. Anybody with a working brain and a smidgen of mma knowledge knows that shogun won that fight. All I have to say is the rematch better come fast
Machida ven said after the fight “anytime the UFC wants I will try to beat him” he sounded right off the hop like he didn’t think he won.
Machida style by default makes decision dangerous for him because he is rarely the aggressor.
Never before have I seen one guy without a single mark on him and the other guy that is totally beat down get the decision.
MK4 I hope you didn’t pay anybody money for loosing bets dude
Penn-GSP 1.
What a disgrace to the sport! You all can say to me what you want but this fight was FIXED!
Shogun DOMINANTLY won each and ever round. It’s not like anyone could have said it was a close fight it wasn’t. There should be no rematch RUA WON. If this trend continues with these BU!!Sh!T refs it’s going to make our sport less creditable. If Rua would have been crowned like he should have there would be a lot of broke people today that bet their house on Machida winning. I knew he {Machida} would get beat. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MACHIDA ERA EVERONE??????
Animosity , thats not how it works ..
Here’s an example I bet 1000 on a fighter who has a 1 in 10 chance .the payout is 10,000 … but if I bet on the favorite who is 10 to 1 I get 1100 . So odds are if there was any extra activity it was for the money bet on RUA and not for the $$ on the “sure thing ” …..
PEOPLE! Stop saying these fights are fixed. It’s not happening. I wanted Rua to win, but he lost. What can we do? Nothing!
He didn’t lose that’s the whole problem I have with this. There is no way no matter witch guy YOU wanted to win can say Machida won, NO EFFING WAY This is the biggest joke I’ve ever seen in sports history. These guys gives their lives to this sport and to get your belt STOLEN away in such a shameful way is unbelievably unfair and wrong.
The decision is done therefore
a rematch is the best recourse.
what’s a better recourse
i dont think it was fixed.
but the argument the claim raises is good.
we dont need to shut up everyone who does think it was fixed !
sometimes these forms get a bit like ms manners columns.
let a healthy argument ensue and maybe it’ll raise good points and lead to better judging in the future – it is as I think Dana said, still a young sport and even baseball and such still have bad decisions.
tennis now makes use of technology, replays and such.
I was wondering if the judges are too close and couldnt see the lower view too well. on screen the damage of the leg kicks was painful to watch?!?!??!?
@Russian
It’s not that we don’t want to start debates, that’s what the forums are for. But the point is, it’s been discussed numerous times on this site, it’s just played out and ridiculous.
fair enough but that decision happened yesterday and UFC Brass aren’t happy with it
Agreed.
Machida clearly won.. Shogun got some better strikes in but all he was doing was kicking
there is also this thought toooo
FightMetric from UFC 104 Main Event
Here’s how it happened, and I am not placing any judgment on the method of scoring used by those particular judges:
Over 2/3 of Rua’s strikes landed were leg kicks. Well over half of Machida’s were head and body strikes. Someone (maybe jcohl) said it up here: head strikes > leg strikes and body strikes > leg strikes WITH THOSE JUDGES.
Right or wrong, there is some method to those judges’ madness and it goes back to the fact that most judges were originally in boxing. Fix that and the rest will follow.
“All he was doing was kicking?!”
Yeah, as in kicking the living sh!t out of Machida for 4 of the 5 rounds of their fight…
That was the first time you made me laugh in a long time, too funny jcohl
fr702
Nice find
arandelel
Learn your sport a lil better before you make such a foolish statement please.
O, it looks like your being pretty biased toward Machida, no doubt. dude you keep saying that the stats say machida had more hits in, but you have no proof? here i can give you some proof, Rua got more hits off http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html
just about everyone who watched the fight knows Rua won it, sure it might not have been by alot but hand down he did win it, judges scored it wrong.
and oh well, **** happens we will just have to wait to see on the re-match
Man, did you see how they calculate their fight statistics on FightMetric? Crazy formula, I don’t get it!
it’sFight Metric’s really cool trivia but ….
does the stats on brock’s mma career mean he is anything less than really effin dangerous? Nope.
most of the universe is NOT whole numbers, nor is it even fractional numbers – apparently they say the universe is made up of irrational numbers.
all to say
stats shmats..
the only way to judge is to have really keen experienced eyes on it, cause you have to watch and just know who is controlling for real – not defer to some stat saying how often they landed or how much time they took the centre of the oct.
more like …
‘i could see that machida was hit, hurt and rendered less effective
gut intuition, not rocket science