Dan Henderson Hoping to Return to UFC, But Exploring All Options
Middleweight contender Dan Henderson responded Friday to a Yahoo! Sports report that he was close to finalizing a deal with Strikeforce, telling MMA Weekly that he hopes to return to the UFC but that he’s exploring all his options.
“I’m still hoping to come to terms with the UFC, until I heard this. And I will be exploring other options for sure, but I definitely need to make sure I get paid. I’ve never even seen an offer from [Strikeforce],” said Henderson, who is coming off a devastating knockout victory over Michael Bisping in July. “UFC’s got a business to run and I’m not doing charity work with this. I don’t believe that I’m asking for too much money, and I know for a fact that I’m taking less money than other fighters. I’m sure that I’ll find a job somewhere.”
Should he return to the UFC, Henderson is expected to square off against fellow contender Nate Marquardt or could get an immediate shot at the middleweight title currently held by Anderson Silva.
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Pay that man his money!!!!!
I’ve seen reports that Henderson is asking for a 7 figure signing bonus.
I think Henderson will get a lower offer from Strikeforce, and end up coming back to the UFC. I don’t see how Strikeforce can pay Henderson more than the UFC. He’s worth even less to them than he is to the UFC.
If anyone’s earned a 7 figure signing bonus (and not 7 figures per fight I assume), it’s Hendo. He’s paid his dues, and now his dues need to be paid.
I disagree with you on the Strikeforce thing though. Considering that they have no MW champ and are likely to become the biggest threat to Dana’s MMA monopoly in North America, now’s the time for a bold acquisition that could pay huge immediately. Dan’s ready to fight soon, hell he could even do the Nov. 7 show if the money was right. We could even see a Hendo vs Fedor fight down the line, now that would be huge! Also, picking up a UFC vet who wasn’t cut makes a big statement.
pay him and give him an ####### title shot arleady I don’t care if it is at 205 or 185 he is gettin screwed by the ufc big time if not he should go to strikeforce and beat mousasi for the title then come back Dana would love it!!!! sorry just my opinion I really like hendo and have been bitter ever sinse they cut his legs out and gave the shot to Vitor…I like vitor but Hendo has earned his shot and is a legend…the ufc makes plenty of money and Dan is a top 10 guy in the biz so give hime something!!! Throw the guy a bone here
I gotta agree with you on this one. I think the problem is that he’s a bigger name than a draw, which hurts his negotiations. I think he should be fighting for the title too, as I’ve stated in other posts that Belfort’s last loss was to Henderson, where Dan kicked his @ss. Plain and simple.
I don’t care what anyone says he’s ducking Marquardt. Think about it. If Hendo loses to Nate there goes his title shot, marketability, and so on. A loss would put him back down the ladder and he doesn’t have time to be making runs at the title he needs his shot now or he will be out of time. I mean come on he can’t beat Anderson anyway so just take what they are offering cause Strikeforce isn’t going to come close. I’m sure it’s some where close to where other top fighters are getting paid.
animosity…i agree 100%…Hendo is being a drama queen
I couldn’t disagree anymore with you two.
animosity you hit the nail on the head there imo 2.
ducking Nate?? Wow I see Hendo destroying Nate and also he gave Anderson a run for his money when they faught, I think that he like the coutures and liddels out there have been an absolute emperor of the sport in the last three years his only losses are to Rampage and Silva, I wouldn’t be so quick to put down someone like dan henderson my friend
agreed 100%
actually, i wouldn’t say he gave anderson a run for his money … he probably has been anderson’s biggest challenger in the ufc, but he didn’t give him a run for his money (the fight only went to the second round!)
to be honest, and i may be wrong, but i don’t remember anderson ever being in “trouble” since hes been in the ufc, maybe he’s lost 1 round .. be that, it was to dan henderson, but seriously… hes unstoppable
and ill just throw this in here …. IMO
I agree that hendo should have the first title shot. Dana promised it to him, so I don’t see how he can take it away. Its bs. There needs to be a unified rankings system in mma, that way the ufc would stop manipulating the sport and start making fights in terms of contention, not popularity.
The reason he hasn’t been given a title shot is because he isn’t signed yet. You don’t give an employee the keys to your business if he doesn’t work there anymore. I love Dan Henderson, and if he was signed he would have something to gripe about, but if you aren’t signed you have nothing to be upset about.This is just a smart business move by the UFC.
I love how the issues of rankings comes up when it involves a fighetr like Hendo…i’ve been saying this forever and no-one listens unless it’s regarding a fighter they are obsessed with … if the ranking system was in place …there would be no more lob sided match-ups…there would be no more question of who’s had tougher competition because everyone would be working off the same ranking system, and if that WERE the case…it would go along the lines of 1 – Okami 2 – Marquart 3 – Belfort/Hendo …do the math
legitimate sports work off legitimate ranking systems…by numbers..EVERY sport…it doesn’t go by whats less “boring” … people may think Okami is boring, but in the cage against Anderson, might actually turn out to be a great fight. Regardless of the speculation as to the quality of that specific fight, they need to update this sh*t. Figure something out. Its getting ridiculous really, how a grown powerful company/business running a sport doesn’t have a way to determine rankings. Doesn’t really make sense. If the New Jersey Devils and the Minnesota Wild make it to the cup finals and that is BORING to the casual hockey fan…tough luck, the league doesnt dictate who plays who for the title. Depends on the numbers…simple. None of this jibber jabber would be goin on about who gets what where…
But MMA rankings, even if there were one uniform system in place, would be subjective, just like the bloody BCS. And even if we had the ranking system in place, and fights were booked off rankings, there would still be people on the internet itching and moaning about how the ranking system was broken and needed to be fixed. How the wrong people were getting ranked number one, and blah blah.
1 okami
2 nate
3 belfort/hendo?????????/?
seriously?? wow
@ Swank…clealry you did NOT read my entire post because if you did, the top 3 contenders i listed wouldnt be such a shock to you. Do the math, then come back and talk to me. I said WITH a legitimate ranking system, THEN the numbers would do all the talking. So what im saying is, if there WERE already a ranking system in place, and the records we are looking at were working off those ranking systems, then you just look at the NUMBERS which would go something like this : 1 – Okami 2- Marquart 3 – Belfort/Hendo (do the math then argue with me)…the PROBLEM with NO ranking system is, the LEVEL of competition each has faced. SURE Okami is 7-1 but he is “boring” and hasnt beat any “top level” guys is the argument fans like to give. Which goes back to my analogy on other sports and leagues. They dont dictate who plays who in finals. They have a season, whoever has most wins plays playoffs, whoever wins wins. Boring, exciting, defensive, offensive..doesnt matter. The better team wins.
@ Justin, i totally hear what your’e saying, MMA fans are spoiled and like to b*tch i agree, but it still would be the right thing to do. I think there are ways to make sure the ranking system is not just subjective, but actually legit, mathematically. It’s really not that hard. And also that way, the matchups are less lob-sided cuz everyone is working off the same ranking system. Just like any other sport. It can easily be done IMO. Its just a matter of time. It will happen sooner or later because there’s no way around it, unless the sport heads in the direction of boxing, which would make me cry. And if it’s to “hard” to do it internationally, then it should be ranked within EACH organization(should have their own ranking system mathematically)…and also, if fighters had a “fighters union” like every other sport, Hendo and many many many other fighters would never get screwed over like this. that is a matter of time too IMO. Fighters unions, every other sport has it.
Just my 7 cents
first of all teck i did read ur whole post and where u messed up is where u started ur statements by saying that DAN HENDERSON is a “drama queen” after that I could really care less about ur methods on who should be in the top three for the 185 pound div to be honest…anyone that thinks a guy like hendo is a drama queen after how bad he has been overlooked I don’t need to have a serious discussion with sorry man
Not going to get into all the details right now. But I wanted to touch on a few things. A ranking system for MMA would be much more like the BCS, which IS subjective, than the NFL, which is not. The reason is the diversity of opponents faced on a fighter’s record, and the length of time over which they were faced. If you weren’t being subjective, which is to say judging based on “strength of opponent” then 4-1 Brock Lesnar would be ranked under 6-0 Cain Velasquez, despite the fact that Lesnar has faces far stiffer competition, and has shown himself to be a far more dangerous fighter.
On the fighters union, I hope you’re wrong. I don’t want to see MMA lockouts like we’ve seen in hockey and baseball. Also, there is a big difference between the NFL and it’s one league, and MMA with multiple promotions in multiple countries. Of course, I have a personal aversion to unions, so I’m against them regardless of the industry, and I don’t like to see a business being told what to do by it’s employees, but I really don’t want to have to explain my stance on unions.
@ Swank, fair enough dude, to be honest with you i’m not terribly interested in your perspective on anything either. You can over-look my comments as i will yours, ( because anyone who is THAT obsessed with Henderson who won’t read anything beyond, “i agree with your statement ‘animosity’ ” has probably got some issues i’d rather not associate myself with, moving along…
@ Justin, you don’t have to give me your political views don’t worry, thats not what i was after( chances are we have opposing views anyways ), but i Do hear you on the fact that there definitely would be some bumps and issues along the way. And even if it may have to be somewhat subjective, it still would be better than the way it is now. Because as it stands now, it’s all subjective anyways( and based on profit before achievements ), at least if you’re doing it by numbers, it clears things up to a degree. As far as level of competition, i guess you missed what i was trying to say. – So this is the scenerio : If someone comes into the UFC ( each org. has its own system ), if Okami( we’ll use Okami just for this example) is 7-1 in the UFC, forget outside achievements, there is the UFC ranking, and their career(2 seperate issues), if Okami is 7-1, with the system in place, that would mean that his level of competition has escalated each fight. How you would determine that is the level of competition he is being set up with ( as far as record and win streak ) is escalating, mathematically. So each fight he has (considering he keeps winning), would be against a guy with a more IMPRESSIVE UFC record and win streak ( however way you wanna flip it and work that out, either win streak more important or overall UFC record, doesnt matter)
It’s not that difficult to figure something out based around that. Im not saying my idea is perfect or even half-way there. But to say it ABSOLUTELY wont work is a little narrow minded. Even get some tournaments going and sh*t. I don’t see why anyone would oppose such a thing? Wouldn’t it be more legit?
And also, you can NEVER know who has had the stiffer competition over who else in ANY sport(to the tee). As you are aware, in majour sport leagues, they have divisions. Some divisions are tougher than other divisions, but thats just the way it is. You can’t get too microscopic about it either. But i swear what i’m saying makes sense, just think about it. Anyways, im enjoying this debate.
tecktition,
hey man I did read all your points like I said my problem was with you saying that Dan was a dram queen….now I have posted here many times about how there needs to be a system I have complained about Rua getting the title shot and Vitor I do agree with most your points but my points are these
Dan Henderson- last three wins Bisbing, franklin, palhares b4 his two losses silva rampage….. were vanderlai silva and belfort
Okami- lister, tanner, mcdonald…with a loss to franklin
Nate- Maia “impresive” gouvia, kampman lost to leites, silva beat horn
so what I am saying and have been is I think just off of competition alone Hendo should be 1 Nate 2 and don’t know who three should be but not okami man….My liking Hendo as a fighter has nothing to do with me putting him as a number one contender his fighting ability and history in the “ring” and cage is why he is a number one…….
and the math ur talking sure okami is 7-1 but he lost to Franklin in which turn Hendo beat franklin so when the UFC is giving Okami better competition I.E Chael Sonnen and if he beats Sonnen I will be more willing to put him in a higher bracket.
@ swank, i appreciate the debate. Thats what these sites are all about at the end of the say regardless. I understand what your’e saying bro as far as stiffer competition. But i wish you would try to fully understand what i’m trying to say before replying. I even tried to clarify my point for Justin in the last post. I created a scenario, that goes by numbers. In that scenerio, i explain how if Okami is 7-1 ( just using Okami as an example, we can talk about Carwin or anyone, dont matter, Okami just an example), so if Okami is 7-1 in the UFC, that would mean that each fighter he has faced after a win, has been a tougher fight than his previous one. How you would determine the level of competition he is facing is either ( by his opponents overall UFC record(not CAREER record-2 seperate issues) , or the number of consecutive wins in the UFC/ either or works, doesnt matter). In that situation, it doesnt matter if Okami lost to Franklin but Hendo squeezed out a W. Because according to the way THIS FICTIONAL system works, it would mean that Okami faced Franklin accordingly and has faced 3 or 4 more TOUGHER guys after in order to reach 7-1. In my scenerio, a fighter wouldn’t fight top-level competition then downgrade a couple notches his next fight, which is how the UFC works right now. So going accordingly with the system that i’m laying out, THEN and only THEN would the numbers game work. Do you understand what i’m saying?? I really don’t think i’m making it THAt complicated. I dont get it…. I hope you understand what i’m tryin to say, i don’t wanna have to try and explain the numbers thing again, because i’m just repeating the same thing…. lol
As for Hendo, all i have to say is this. If you have mad love & respect for the dude, its perfectly fine, that is your prerogative. But the “level” of competition is debatble (Wins only count, losses don’t count) between Nate and Dan. We can leave out the fact that he LOST to Rampage and the Spider because how do losses(regardless of competition) help justify a title shot??? Nate has beat Horn, Gouvia, Kampman, Maia, and a razor thin loss/in reality a win against Leites, all since his only ONE loss in the UFC which was to the Spider. Dan’s wins over wanderlei and anything in Pride is irrelevant. Those are accomplishments in a different league at a MUCH different time in the MMA world + he ALREADY got his 2 titles for his pride wins. Comes to the UFC, has TWO opportunities to remain UFC champ and unify. He failed at keeping either. So Hendo comes into a title shot instantly to unify, LOSS to Rampage, then LOSS to Spider, loses both his belts. SPLITS Palhares in a snoozefest, SPLITS Franklin in controversial manner(imo Franklin won), then KO’s what looked like a high on heroin Bisping who Andy Wang couldve KO’d that night in the SECOND round. I’m sorry bro, but you can dissect that left right and center and i just don’t know how you feel that is IN ANY WAY impressive. I believe people who say Hendo should get his shot are DIE HARD Hendo fans who feel he is getting old and this may be his last chance. imo, Marquart’s list of victims impresses me a LOT more, and not to mention all were FINISHED either KO,TKO, or SUB, AND he has MORE wins in a row, AND i dont think Palhares and Bisping are STIFFER competition than Kampman, Horn, Leites, Gouveia, Maia. Seriously??? You’re going to tell me with a straight face that beating Palhares and Bisping and controversial win over Franklin is MORE impressive than KO’in Maia, Gouveia, Kampman, Horn ????? Seriously???? Hmmmm…if you do, then the debate must stop, cuz i wouldnt know where to go from there….. Hendo does not deserve a 3rd title shot in 6 fights…that sounds ridiculous considering he lost both those title shots. Not even Couture gets handed anything THAT easily……ok, maybe Couture does, but i still don’t agree with it. ps. i really hope you read everything beofre replying bro, because it seems like i keep having to repeat myself… good chattin with you
u got a good argument man and maybe my biast for hendo out ways the facts a little I will admit that….and who knows okami does have a win over slva =) either way u have valid points and respect what u r saying about how the system should be more or less didn’t like the dram queen statement, and It is just a personal thing that I think Hendo is the best opponent…..but u do have stong valid points teck and I will respect that
@ Swank … i appreciate that man , not too many people will sit behind their computers and admit that someone they’ve never met has a valid point. I respect that. And your bias for Hendo is all good, we all have our favourite fighters.
cj,
I think Dan definately won the first round and then got kinda comfortable which lead to him getting beat…thats why I personally think if they fought again it would definately not be the same scenario, Hendo is the type the corrects his mistakes and is a smart man in the cage out of every 185 pounder I have always given him the best shot at beating the spider….that said I think belfort will get destroyed and hopefully one day we see Silva Hendo 2 so I can be proven right
fair enough, you got reasons to back it up…
not saying i agree, but to each there own.
anyways more thoughts about the article, i say anderson drops the middleweight belt and finishes out his career at 205
let dan vs nate go at it to determine the championship, give vitor at least 1 more fight, id say maybe someone like yoshihiro, Okami or damn why not Wanderlei aha… then have the champ, winner of dan/nate vs winner of vitor and whomever
thoughts anyone????
Silva won’t fight Machida, so if Machida stays champ at 205, I want Silva to stay champ at 185. If he drops the belt, and then doesn’t fight for the 205 belt, he can go do his stupid boxing match against RJJ. As long as he is a champion, he can’t fight anywhere but the UFC, and I like that way.
I have the same perspective on that matter I’m on the same page here I don’t like interim titles but when Silva went to fight Griffin I said let Hendo and nate fight for the belt…then Vitor signed and it made it even more crazy, I would love to see Anderson stay at 205 tho I would like to see him fight Brandon Vera actually I think those two would match up well
The onlyreason I think hendo deserves a title shot is cuz no one elsein mw has done anything to deserve it. I think it will be a waste of time cuz I dont think dan has the tools to beat Silva (nor does anyone else that I know of) I hate to use this cliche but Hendo is an EXCELLENT checkers player, but he has no business playin chess with Silva. The only chance he has is to hold Silva down for 5 rds and i dont see that happening.
All of this in my very amature opinion
There is no way in hell that Strikeforce can pay Henderson the same money that the UFC can offer him. Unless the UFC really low balled him. Who knows? We shall see.
I respect ur opinion nick but takase and ryo chonan proved that no matter who u are u can get caught…someone will beat silva I gurantee it I don’t think it will be vitor I do think Hendo could do it but it’s the fight game Anderson’s pompass attitude will get him caught eventually I promise.
point taken Silvas cockiness does annoy me BUT I still have a hard time imagining Silva losing, unless maybe he fights Machida, which isn’t gonna happen but you’ve got good points
swankcm,
Do you even realize that silva’s losses to takase and chonan were about 5 years ago? Anderson is 10x better now than he was back then. If you were to put him in there again with chonan, i see no other outcome besides a KO victory for Anderson.
Jenkins I do know it was five years ago I watched the fights, it wasn’t like takase beat up silva he was getting dominated “BAD” and out of no where causgt Silva in a heal hook, are you saying that couldn’t happen anymore? and chonan got him in a triangle are you saying Nate Marqs jitz can’t catch him? I realize he has looked unstoppable in the last four years but either way fighters..even the best eventually get caught, Matt Hughes looked unstoppable for a long time then got de throwned by a better fighter eventually the same will happen to Silva in my opinion
ptran,
I would hold off too he was promised the title shot after he beat bisbing then Nate won and he got promised the shot..it’s BS of course Dan is playing hard ball it’s not smart business by the ufc thats the problem “it’s bad business” they let Silva move up and have a pointless fight against griffin instead of giving Dan his much deserved title shot thats the problem….to be honest if I was Dan and had accomplished what I had I would say $$$$ you and go beat Mousasi for his belt!!!! I have always followed Dan so I am kinda biast whatever he does wehter it be bump to 205 or go to strikeforce he deserves a lot more respect than what has been given to him in my opinion
If he jumps to Strikeforce he will likely take a pay cut, and only have a handful of interesting fights. I’m not even sure Hendo can “beat Mousasi for his belt.” Mousasi is a bad dude, he hits hard and fast, and has a pretty decent ground game too.
Sure Dan could fight the Miller/Shields winner, but everyone knows he’s a class above them already, so what would that prove? The only interesting fights for Henderson in Strikeforce are Mousasi, and maybe some heavyweights, if he wanted to go that route.
“Interesting fights”
Hmmmmmmmm let’s see, If I can think of a few
Hendo v Jacare, or Mayhem or Shields or Le or Mousasi also with the FEG/Strikeforce realationship perhaps a Grand Prix could be in the mans future, I do believe that Strikeforce has some “intersting matchups”, and ya he probably will sign with the UFC and rightfully so but Strikeforce is a player in this game, we shall see how it all turns out!
I mentioned Mousasi.
Le isn’t a fighter anymore he’s an actor, and I’m really not interested in talk about Le vs. anyone until he decides to be a fighter again.
Jacare/Mayhem/Shields vs. Hendo… meh. The only thing intersting would be “How does Henderson beat them, Striking or GnP?” I don’t think any of them really pose a threat to Henderson.
In my eyes, there are far more interesting match ups for Henderson in the UFC than out of the UFC.
C’mon UFC, we want Hendo back!
Wow.
Seeing a lot of disrespect here for Hendo, talking about ducking an opponent and being a drama queen and other such nonsense, but I guess that says more about what sort of MMA fan you are, then it does about Hendo and the way he’s been handling these negotiations.
As far as rankings go, we’ve talked this to death on numerous occasions.
Rankings in the UFC would be meaningless, because everything in the UFC, and I mean everything, is decided by Dana White.
Joe Silva may be the matchmaker of record, but I haven’t seen a single instance since Zuffa took over the UFC where Dana wasn’t calling the shots.
If Dana wants to see 2 guys throwdown, it wouldn’t matter what any sort of rankings indicated, the fight would be signed and they would step into the Octagon, barring an unforseen injury.
And even if Dana verbally promises someone a title shot, like he did years ago to Pat Miletich, or months ago to Hendo and Marquardt, these things are granted ONLY if Dana feels like it.
Dana’s “word” is suspect, but then again it always has been. Just ask Pat Miletich, or read Jon Wertheim’s book “Blood in the Cage”.
Clearly Dana values Anderson Silva far more than he does Hendo and Marquardt, so he felt completely justified in sh!tting all over them after promising them 185 title shots.
Silva and his handlers balked at fighting re-matches, so Dana caved and gave them their way, probably because he thought it was good business.
If Dana had thought it would have been good business to strip Silva of the title and throw his a$$ out onto the street, he would have done just that, but thats so obviously a bad business move he opted to shaft his 2 top 185 contenders, probably because he knew he had Belfort in his back pocket.
There are also lingering rumors that Jon Fitch and Stephan Bonnar are contemplating moves to 185, so it isn’t like that division will have a shortage of “name” opponents if Hendo signs elsewhere.
Also, Marquardt is willing to sit tight and take whatever sh!t Dana and the UFC force-feeds him, because the money’s right and he has yet to win a major MMA title, King of Pancrase notwithstanding.
Hendo is in a different situation, both in terms of money and career path, so he has his handlers exploring other options.
I agree with Justin H that Hendo will be signed by the UFC, but only when Dana privately admits to Hendo that he publicly disrespected him, apologizes, and makes some sort of amends, probably with a fat signing bonus and a title shot at either 185 or 205.
As fans, lets not make more if this than it really is, or embarrass ourselves with ridiculous posts. This is a p!ssing contest between 2 tough guys, one a fighter and one a promoter of fights.
Where Hendo fights next will tell you who won the contest…
thats pretty much what i was trying to say jchol not in so many words, I can’t articulate as well as some of you guys on here
Jcohl,
Just answer this for me if you would be so obliged?
How isn’t he ducking Nate? If memory serves me right Marquardt was PROMISED a shot too, correct?
Henderson has stated that it doesn’t matter if he fights Nate then Silva or Silva then Nate, either way he has to fight both of them. Obviously, he’s assuming he would beat both of them.
Just to add to what Justin H has already posted, I’ll say that Hendo isn’t dodging Marquardt the same way Anderson Silva isn’t dodging either of them.
Silva feels he has nothing to prove, and gains nothing by beating either of them again.
Hendo has already reached the zenith in both his amateur and professional careers, and is only interested in this point at fighting for gold, as he should be. He gains nothing by beating Nate Marquardt.
Simple situation:
Silva has gold, Marquardt has none.
Therefore Hendo wants to fight Silva.
Seems pretty obvious to me.
Also, I would be fine with Marquardt getting his title shot first, and then Hendo getting winner. I’m defnitely not trying to deny Marquardt his shot, which was also promised to him by Dana for shutting down Demian Maia.
I would even go as far to say that Marquardt beat the higher ranked 185er, and thereby is ENTITLED to his title shot first.
What I’m not OK with is Dana’s swerving of the situation, and trying to backpedal on his word. It makes all concerned loo like sh!t.
Finally, to all those who are going on about Hendo this and Hendo that, try looking at it from Nate Marquardt’s POV.
He was told by Dana White if he beat Demian Maia he would receive a title shot, and now he’s supposed to settle for a fight with Hendo?
WHY?
Where the fu<k is the logic in that?
The only people that sort of a$$-hatted thinking makes sense to is Vitor Belfort and his handlers, and Anderson Silva and his handlers.
When you support a Hendo-Marquardt fight, you are also supporting Dana's decision to fu<k over both men in favor of Vitor Belfort, who has never beaten a single 185er in the UFC. Neither Hendo nor Marquardt deserve getting publicly sh!t on by both Dana White and Anderson Silva, and everyone SHOULD know that.
Think about it and you'll see where I'm coming from…
I think some of you are reading way to much into this.He just simply wants a decent payday.He’s not getting any younger and knows this is probaly his last bid to sign a somewhat lucrative and lengthly contract.I don’t see him dodging anybody.I think he’s confident enough.I mean this is a guy who thinks he can beat the best P4P fighter in the world.His last concern is nate.it’s all about the money.
So, how come you rank Nate higher than hendo tech? Hendo holds wins over bisping and rich Franklin this year. Throw the bisping fight out, he still holds a victory over Franklin. Maia is great and all, but he is still green when it comes to the big time. I like marquardt, don’t get me wrong, but, competition wise, you’d have to take hendo over Nate. IMO. And belfort, well, hendo dispatched of him years ago, so that should count for something. But, let’s just take the past 2 years in consideration.
I feel like Hendo and Marquardt are just being arrogant in that they don’t feel like they should have to prove themselves anymore. In their minds they are the clear cut #1 contender.
I guess I shouldn’t really be including Nate I haven’t heard that he doesn’t wanna fight Hendo.
Regardless I really wanna see this fight
i dont think he should sign a deal with strike force because honestly no one in their middlewieght division except cung lee who happens to be retired at the moment stands a chance hendo is way to high class for these guys and the marquadt fight would just be hands down narly lolz
also i dont agree with throwing vitor in for a title shot so quickly just because he beat a washed up rich franklin i would love to see him fight okami
thoose are my thoughts on what ufc should do with their middlewieghts
Since when is Franklin “Washed Up”?
Sounds like a “Casual fan”
well look at it this way when was the last time you saw rich franklin acuatly win a fight without any doubt he coulda lost. he even almost lost to matt hammil who dont get me wrong is a good fighter but isnt at that class that rich franklin is at and yet he almost beat him but his enexperience is a big factor in why he lost. anyways i really like that belfort marquadt idea lolz but i really wanna see okami get a shot too dont count him out xD
Okami is a non-factor, since he hurt himself when offered title shots…twice. I wouldn’t offer him another since he is too injury-prone.
Dude no way in hell is Franklin washed up.
He gets KO’d by the Phenom and all of a sudden hes washed up?
He loses twice to the p4p fighter in the world and hes washed up?
He beats Matt Hamill, Travis Lutter, and Wanderlei Silva, and hes washed up?
(he also beat Hendo, IMO)
So when fighters dont “actually win a fight without any doubt they coulda lost”, theyre washed up?
Interesting logic.
Check yourself man.
Rich Franklin is far from washed up. You put him in any other fight organization in the world, and he would dominate.
Dan Henderson deserves a shot at the title now, make vitor belfort fight Nate Marquardt, Henderson deserved the shot when he beat Rich Franklin then he beat Bisping. I think it’s Obvious Hendo deserves the shot first. Plus Henderson beat Belfort. I think any real fan wants to see Henderson get the shot first, all the wanna be fans want to see belfort get the shot first.
I’m right there with ya jeff
how is hendo getting screwed when he fought for both the 205 and 185 title and lost dont get me wrong hes a great fighter but he will not beat the dragon or the spider maybe he should try gsp for the 170 title just a thought
Good point manny.Probally to much of a weight cut,but that would be a fun wrestling match to watch.
Hendo has publicly commented that the 185 cut is getting tough to make as he appraoches 40, so I’m thinking that 170 is probably out of the question.
Although I agree that seeing how GSP’s wrestling measures against that of a 2 time Olympian would be worth the price of admission…
I wouldn’t go so far to saying hendo wouldn’t beat machida I think the match-up is actually pretty interesting
I meant stylistically wrestling.Not like WWE so nobody yell at me
I’ve said it before, this is 100% Dana’s mess to clean up, regardless what I think about Henderson. As a fan it would be a damn shame if Hendo walked, and would definitely be a loss for the ufc’s talent pool. Dan still has a couple of good fights left in him, even if I don’t think he’ll be champion again in either weight class.
185 is dead and stale due to Silva, hendo tried him to no avale. It’s sad how one of the best in the world has to look for a new job after ripping england’s best and the loser gets another fight right away to keep the British fans happy. Ufc is becoming all politics Catering to a invisible voting booth. Silva should fight heavyweights and move off 185 I mean if he were to win all three titles then only fight 1 or 2 times a year we would only get to see a few title defenses all year. I’m sure Brock would be able to lay on him like the boring fighter does but seriously unless he’s gonna fight 4 times a year I have to watch strikeforce to really see some great fights I’m becoming slightly frusterated with ufc. I also think that if u ever used steroids you should be banned from the sport.
Maybe your right about your ufc politcal conspiracy theory.But i don’t agree with a life time ban from the sport for steroid use.As it is MMA already has some of the toughest punishments for steroid use in sports.Yea there idiots for doing it.but everybody deserves atleast a second chance.I don’t believe in stripping them of there lively hoods for one srewup.
a lil off topic but, yea make it the typical 2 or 3 strikes and ur out
You mean the boring way he pounded out Mir? There was nothng boring about the fight, unless you are one of the d-bags in Affliction or Tapout shirts that boos in the sports bar as soon as a fight hits the ground. Get off the big boy site.
dbiz…take your own advice buddy…your posts are border line pathetic… no substance and a whole lotta trash comes from that brain of yours….get a clue…come up with something original…stop going around replying angrily at other peoples opinions you dumb sh*t…stop insulting people
I notice you have no rebuttal to my lower post about how a union will destroy MMA, complete with concrete examples. How about you address that before you call me pathetic? I put a lot of thought into my comments, which is why MOST of the time part-time fanbois can’t do anything but resort to personal attacks in response. Have a nice day. And good luck down there. You’ll need it.
Don’t know why it came up either nick.But i just felt compelled to respond.
any sport only exists to make money and to gamble on. Hendo is gonna go where he gets the biggest payday.
Dana/Joe Silva/Fertitas dont want rankings, as they wouldnt make nearly as much money having a main event with Okami vs whoever. I also believe that UFC is still more entertainment than sport at this phase. People arent truly ranked, matches are made by rep/draw rather than “who earned it” etc.
As for fighters union…I’m not sure that one is needed…yet. It sounds to me like the fighters have all their medical paid for if they are injured (not sure what happens if they are injured in practice, etc. If they dont want to fight or think they arent getting paid enough, they can fight somewhere else (although options are limited) or beat people down for a few fights and re-negotiate a contract. I do think if you look at the NFL, MBL, etc. that unions are a benefit despite how bad it sucks when there is a lockout. These guys can only fight or compete for so long and their career can be gone in an instant, so it would benefit all of them to take care of each other with union healthcare, etc.
Agreed…for a fan to deny “fighters union” it’s purely out of selfishness. Cuz there MAY be a lock-out?! There may be an earth-quake today…there may be an injury to someone, there may be negotiations taking place between the ATHLETES and the promoters..the fighters MAY start playing hard-ball with the promoters. Hey man, i’m all for it. If having a union for the athletes means that their health is up to par like regular majour league athletes, their pay is up to par with other athletes and they are getting opportunities they deserve, why would i deny them that? For the possibility that the organization might try to screw them at some point and they would have to take a stand? Hmmm… It’s the athletes who put on the show, who risk their lives and health, and who have the SKILLS…not the ’suite’ behind the scenes who has the funding to promote it. I could care less if that dude is making a smaller portion. All he’s doing is giving these dudes a venue to fight. Its about the athletes, the people who fans look up to, idolize , posterize etc….Ive yet to see a poster of the Fertitas hanging off of anyones wall…gotta keep sh*t within context…a union would be a good thing, happier fighters = better competition/performances…and it would just be the right thing to do, if it WASNT the right thing to do, other majour orgs wouldn’t be doing it.
How about because if there is a fighters’ union, payroll will spiral out of control and we’ll get down to one PPV every few months? Great for the sport, right?
Baseball players make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars because baseball is a multi-BILLION (per year) dollar sport. Same with football. MMA isn’t even a billion-a-year sport yet. What will happen, if a fighters union is formed, is a CUT for most fighters, since the UFC may be hard-pressed to afford rapidly piralling salaries. And don’t forget that with a union, Kalib Starnes couldn’t be cut by the UFC…
As far as the “suite” behind the scenes (and I think you mean SUIT)…your example doesn’t fly in line with other sports. In other sports, each TEAM has an owner, and there are dozens of them. In MMA in North America, there are 2 big ones. A union can’t gain traction when there is nowhere else to peddle the goods. Your idea is an epic fail..on so many levels.
the only problem with this analysis is…since the inception of players unions in NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc. None of those leagues have ever been threatened with Bankruptcy. Unions dont break businesses, crappy management breaks businesses. The UFC isnt the multi-billion dollar industry that those four sports mentioned above are – yet…and MMA may never reach that level…but arguing that just because there is a union it means the failure of a company is a very marginal arguement.
The leagues haven’t faced bankruptcy, but individual teams certainly have.
I cant believe some of the stuff people say on here.
Like theres the posts that make so much sense, and get a clear point across, but then theres some that make no point, and they just look stupid in the process.
First, people need to stop going on and on about Hendo vs Spider 2, because its obviously not going to happen for a long time.
Second, the way Vitor Belfort manhandled Rich Franklin, he did enough to get a title shot. He won convincingly.
Third, Anderson Silva was the one who presented the idea of Hendo vs. Nate for the #1 contender spot. Which I think is a good matchup. They both have great striking and wrestling. And theyre both very strong for 185′ers.
Fourth, Dana White had said for a long time, if he could sign Vitor Belfort, he would want to see him fight Anderson for the title. So, what Dana wants, he gets. (in most cases anyways)
Fifth, someone on here said that Rich Franklin is “washed up”. That might be the most ridiculous thing ive heard in a while. The man is far from washed up.
He gets KO’d by the Phenom and all of a sudden hes washed up?
He loses twice to the p4p fighter in the world and hes washed up?
He beats Matt Hamill, Travis Lutter, and Wanderlei Silva, and hes washed up?
ANYWAYS…I think its only a matter of time till Hendo re-signs with the UFC.
Enough said.
I must have missed the rich franklin,washed up comment and i’m not gonna read through 75 comments to see who said it.But thank you for noticing jenkins.I’m glad someone lashed back at such a ridiculous statement.
I agree with Jenkins! when he says he “can’t believe some of the stuff people say on here”.
I don’t know what was more “laugh out loud” ridiculous, posts disrespecting Hendo, the post referring to Rich Franklin as “washed up”, or the post where someone decided it was a good idea to disrespect one of our sharpest posters, dbiz.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for a healthy exchange of MMA opinions, but those opinions should be based on some level of fact, and not garbage like calling someone “a dumb sh!t”, because you lack the knowledge to meet them on an even playing field.
I’ve previously caught some personal attacks, and I’ll post now what I posted then, is that you reveal a lot more of yourself, and your MMA knowledge, or lack thereof, when you personally attack another poster, or try and disrespect a poster who has repeatedly demonstrated superior MMA knowledge, and in some cases basic command of spelling and grammar, than your own…
Danas a jerk……hendo should get his shot…he earned it….let vitor fight nate for the next title shots number 1 contender……..just my 2 cents…..
Keep it clean. -Justin