The Ultimate Fighter 10 – Episode 5 Recap
Posted by Kris Karkoski on Oct 15, 2009 at 12:19 am ET43 Comments
Team Rashad remained perfect on Wednesday’s episode of The Ultimate Fighter 10, improving to 5-0 as Justin Wren choked out veteran Wes Sims of Team Rampage with an arm triangle early in the opening round matchup.
Here’s how the teams stand following the latest bout:
TEAM RASHAD
- James McSweeney (1-0)
- Brendan Schaub (1-0)
- Justin Wren (1-0)
- John Madsen (1-0)
- Roy Nelson (1-0)
- Darrill Schoonover
- Matt Matrione
- Mike Wessel
TEAM RAMPAGE
- Kimbo Slice
Eliminated by Roy Nelson on Episode 3 - Abe Wagner
Eliminated by John Madsen on Episode 1 - Demico Rogers
Eliminated by Brendan Schaub on Episode 4 - Wes Sims
Eliminated by Justin Wren on Episode 5 - Scott Junk
- Wes Shivers
Eliminated by James McSweeny on Episode 2 - Marcus Jones
- Zak Jensen
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The Zak Jensesn thing was…umm… interesting. That guy lets himself get bullied too much.
I can’t believe Sims got arm-triangled like he’s some sort of noob. That was just embarrassing. I definitely think that the mindset of Rampage’s team is piss poor, and that contributed to both Rogers’ loss last week and Sims’ loss this week.
Dana White trying to tell us this will be the BEST season of the Ultimate Fighter EVER is nothing short of ridiculous. Maybe the biggest based on the size of these guys, but overall TUF 10 has stunk to high hell and back. Dana couldn’t be further from the truth. This is terrible stuff. There hasn’t been one single fight that’s been worth watching yet. One coach is completely useless as a coach and the other is boring as hell.
Couple that with Kimbo losing his first fight and Rampage retiring before his fight with Rashad. Why the hell are we watching this show? Oh yeah, they keep reminding us every week that Kimbo MIGHT get to fight again next week. It’s getting old. Kimbo will NOT fight again on the show.
I will keep watching but I just felt it necessary to express my concern. This is probably the second worst TUF ever, probably THE worst if it weren’t for Kimbo’s presence. No wonder they didn’t do heavyweights for so many years. Awful.
Kimbo’s presence doesn’t make it any less bad for me. The problem is, a couple of the fights so far have been squash matches (Nelson v. Kimbo, the first fight, and tonight’s… but who the heck saw that coming?!) The Shivers fight was the battle of the gassers, last weeks should have been better, but I just don’t think Rogers’ mind was in the right place going into that fight.
I like getting to watch MMA on TV every week like this, but I think they need to step back and give TUF a break and let the talent pool build itself back up again. And please do not do another season of Heavyweights, this is ridiculous.
I’m thinking that maybe they should do a TUF wherein the winner gets a title shot.
Seeing as how the 185 division has been “cleaned out”, maybe that would be a good place to start…
That would make for an interesting season, but Anderson Silva and Soares would say that the winner and possible opponent is undeserving and they wouldn’t fight.
they did that once and the guy wasn’t deserving considering the j-off missed weight for a TITLE FIGHT…
nice^^ stupid lutter.
My first thought was, “another week, another p!ss poor fight”.
My second thought was, “another week, another chance for Rampage Jackson to show the MMA world on national TV that he hasn’t a fu<king clue about how to train fighter, or for that matter even coach men engaging in sporting endeavors".
My third thought was, "Jesus Sims, I'm pretty sure the HammerHouse crew didn't appreciate your shout-out after getting hooked like a first-timer".
And my final thought was, "Well of course Dana White talked galactic amounts of sh!t for this season of TUF. What was he going to say?
Um, yeah, the guys we got mostly suck-a$$, Rashad totally out-coaches numb-nuts Rampage, and that fu<ktard Zak Jensen got caught tossing off in a communal shower?!"
on the aftermath(afta roy nelson vs kimbo) dana said the fights get betta and even he was unimpressed by the first 3 fights so idk. the past 2 fights have gotten a lil better atleast. still nothing to get all worked up about but i def thought the last 2 fights were taking steps in the right direction
Wow, the teasers are way better than the episodes!
In Dana’s defense on this show… He had to hype it up to promote it. That’s what he does. He has also stated many times that a heavy weight TUF would make for bad tv. It’s hard to find enough guys with talent to make it interesting, and they always gas early.
Just when I couldn’t hate Rampage anymore he does more stuff that makes me despise him at new levels. “I’m not a coach, I’m a fighter”. What the hell is that? His job on TUF IS to be a coach. If he didn’t want to coach he shouldn’t have agreed to it in the first place!
I’ll keep watching hoping for that one good fight, but ain’t getting my hopes up.
I still don’t understand how they can charge either $250 or $500 for the Finale especially with the Houston Alexander Kimbo hype for Memphis. BTW memphis needs that fight….
The last couple minutes where Rashad talked to Rampage’s team was the only worthwhile part of the show. It seems like Rashad was honestly there to ask them to be honorable and go in the ring and get their fighters after the fights. It did turn into some trash talking, but it started out pretty honest.
My opinion of Rampage and his coaches can sink no lower.
Is it just me or are Rampage’s “coaches” just there to be on his jock? The one guy, Im going to call Toadie, just follows Rampage around and says “Yeah, your right rampage.” If he has some buck teeth or mutant size, he would be ripped right out of a comic book.
I want to throw things at the TV. No, Rampage, you are not right. The reason you dont understand why you are losing is because you clearly don’t understand the sport. You are 100% out coached by the other team. If the teams were swaped from day 1, I dont doubt that Rashad would still win every fight.
Rampage, I hope you never return to this sport. I hope somehow you make it in the movie business. I will buy a ticket to the A Team just to support your non-return to the UFC. Rashad would decimate you in the ring. Stop using Dana White as your roll on deodorant and keep it moving, kick rocks, and don’t let the door hit ya.
A-FRIGGEN-MEN!!!!!!!!!
whatever you think about rampage, while i agree he is not a good coach, to say he clearly doesnt understand the sport is asinine
DigYourOwnHole is what you are doing saying rampage don’t understand the sport. yea he is a crap coach but imo an amazing fighter when his head is screwed on!
I do not make the argument that he can not fight. I argue that he doesnt understand the sport.
Please tell me why you do believe he does understand the sport. If he understood the sport, couldnt he at least coach a little? His fight IQ is abismal.
Being good at it doesnt mean he understands the intricacies. He is boggled by why they are loosing. Are you? Is anyone else aside from Toadie? Rashad even told Rampage to his face why he was losing and Rampage really had no answer.
Someone who fights please jump in here and save me. Many fighters are GOOD at fighting but really know very little about it. It comes natural and they can implement training but if you engage in conversation about fighting, they drop the ball. These people have bery low fight IQ’s.
The reverse is also true. Many corners are HORRIBLE fighters but they can analyize a fight in an instant and give relevant instructions to a fighter in the ring. These people have very high fight IQ’s.
The two things, while related, have little to do with each other. Sure you can have both or neither and many have only 1 of these skills.
Yea I’m pretty sure Dana was lying tryin to get ratings for an obviously below par season
Dana spends so much time being outspoken and honest on everything that when he leads us to believe its the best season yet, it comes of so blatant a lie thats easy to see. i understand the importance of the TUF series to the ufc and spike, and i know the season is not over, but GEEZ, give me something PLEASE. lets assign coaches to TUF that can bring sound coaching and leadership and put that ahead of whatever grudges and trash talking are the flavor of the day.
seems to me worked fine in the earlier seasons…
I totally agree. I loved Liddel and Couture in season one. They put everything they had into coaching and were professionals the entire time. I’d say the same about Tito. Basing the coaching on a rivalry between two fighters is getting tired. Bring on some guys that know how to coach!
This show has honestly taken away some of my fan-ness from Rampage. The dude $ucks a$$ as a coach in it’s plain and simple fu*ked up that he leaves his fighters hanging like that. Those guys are there to get better and to benefit from guys like Evans and Rampage who have already been to the big show, they are not there to not learn, they want to learn and want to get better but Rampage and his shhity coaches are fu*king that up for them.
Rampage is acting like a 5 year old kid who has a grudge with another 5 year old kid, instead of trying to really help his fighters and make them better MMA fighters he’s way too foucused on his beef with Rashad and i will not be surprised when Eashad’s team sweeps all the fights and Rampage will be the person to blame
I really think it should have been like other seasons where they had to fight to get on the show…It seperates the fighters who come prepared to the never will be’s….I personally think the UFC should continue this and I love the idea of having a 185 ultimate fighter with the winner getting the title shot
I think part of the difficulty in doing that this season was finding enough fighters to do it. Finding top flight heavy weights is a very tough task, and Dana may have simply not been able to find 32 guys to do that with. From the looks so far it was hard enough to find 16!
What happened was Kimbo called up and said “I hear if I goin on TUF, I can get into the UFC, where do I sign?” Then, dollar signs flashed in Dana’s eyes and his grudge with Kimbo went by the wayside. From that point on, the decisions did not improve and thus we have what we have.
I can understand you guys points that Page aint a good coach. Look at it in this sense. Have you ever HATED a person? Do you think you could get work done properly when your enemy
is always in your face talkin trash? I don’t believe Rampage is a coach, but a fighter like he said maybe he shouldn’t have taken the job but if I were Rampage I would have already dropped Rashad on his face. When you have hatred for someone as much as these two do nothing good can come from the situation. Rampage will come back and smash some fools and we will be hearing you guys the same one’s who have talked so much $hit about Page say, dam I guess I was wrong about Rampage.
If he comes back and “smashes some fools” that won’t all of a sudden make him a great coach, which is the main complaint about him right now.
Well siad J. Even if he comes back and wins the title again, it doesn’t mean I’ll like him or think he is a good coach. It will just mean he is still a world class fighter, which I haven’t heard anyone deny.
I have 2 main complaints. That is one. The other is his lack of sportsmanship.
The lack of sportsmanship is what really sticks in my craw.
Same here. There is competitiveness which I like and respect. And there is taking it way too far.
Justin H,
I feel ya on that, what I meant was people’s opinion’s would change if he won a few fights. You know how people like to beat ya when your down and praise ya when your on top.
I get what you’re saying on that.
Ok honestly, could care less about the Rampage as a coach situation. He’s always been adamant about not being an actual coach. I am more disappointed in the actual coaches that are there. I mean clearly there is a rather large disconnect with the guys. Granted I believe that it is hard to teach exclusively heavyweights unless you are a heavyweight or have been one at a time. The class is just a different beast all together. I would’ve liked better coaches for the heavyweights because I think it would have better benefited these fighters, I mean if they’d had Nog-Couture or even Carwin-Lesnar(don’t laugh at Lesnar either, the guy has good coaches and if you’ve seen him in his amateur wrestling days he’s a team guy). I think it actually would have been more than “lets see if Rampage and Evans have to be separated or if Kimbo gets another fight.”
On the fight though…um yeah didn’t expect that to happen like it did. I knew of Wren beforehand and knew he was talented but Sims has a lot of experience. Clearly though he didn’t respect Wren enough. I thought it was rather sad too that Wren technically did not have the choke fully locked(if it’d been locked correctly you lose consciousness far quicker) and Wes could have worked for an escape but never did. Never been a fan of guys giving up and Sims lost a lot of respect for that(not that he had a lot to begin with).
Hats off to Wren though he wasn’t intimidated and took it to a fighter that on paper he should have not been ready for. Look forward to seeing this kid tested.
i hate to repeatedly beat a drum but on the aftamath show for this week sims said he was pretty much out from the start of the choke.
That’s a rough position for anyone and you do black out quick there(been there a lot from wrestling and grappling) but I’m sorry from a medical perspective if you are out from a choke you can’t hold your arm up. Your body goes limp from a choke because your brain is deprived of oxygen, and nerve conduction begins to shut down(starting with motor). That’s just like when people scream they can’t breathe, if you really couldn’t breathe you couldn’t scream you can’t expel what isn’t there.
Sims straight up quit, saying he was out from the beginning is just an excuse unless he was knocked out from something else before the choke. What he says after is irrelevant in my eyes because no one wants to admit they quit(for reasons other than pride in a show setting like that).
all i can say is watch the aftermath show. i believe he was out almost immediatly into the choke. he may have woken up once or twice because the choke wasnt in properly as u said but i still say he was out almost right away.
honestly Huerta, I watched it over again and like you said he could have been in and out. However, Sims isn’t all there and he’s been finished there a few times. I think he panicked once he was there and that made him go out quicker. As I am sure you’d agree with me the hardest part about grappling is realizing you are ok in bad positions. I mean he was subbed by a former K-1 kickboxer.
actually I am wrong with the being finished there several times… but it is a position he has struggled with..
Rashad comes from a camp where the guys are just as good (if not better) and that pushes him and trains him to be better so inpart he does the same with the guys on the show and Rashad IMO has always been like a Rich Franklin type fighter and what I mean by that is a very educated fighter. He Views the sport as a Sport in which to evolve and grow and disect your opponent mentally and physically. Smart guy with great coaches. Which is why I always tried to defend him and never Understood the hate A LOT OF YOU {NOW LOVERS OF RASHAD} had for him.
Rampage on the other end camp has a bunch of yes men and guys that look up to HIM and admire and are in Awe of him and are not as good or better than he is in any way. True we all know he NEVER was a good coach IF ANY thing a great team mate {in training camp} and sparing partner and World Class Fighter. But to have that coach mentality is different. He is a different guy than Rashad or Couture, He can be taught be not teach what he knows and when loses he get fustrated and does not know how to express it properly besides that … I think he came on the show
1. for fun
2. favor to dana & company. {especialy when he said he never wanted to do the coaching thing again after his last Tuff show.
Obviously the guy got other stuff like the Movie deal and people whispering in his ear constantly in his head cause he has been very distracted and distant from the guys the show and all.
Whereas Rashad looked at it as a challenge and a way to get into Rampages head…
I love Rampage and yeah he could do alot more for a guy who just lost he just needs someone to tell him that he respects.NOT have guys walking around him kissing his butt 24/7 loving the fact they are finally on the camera themselves. I hope Rampage get it together and Maybe like all of us he will learn from his mistakes and grow as a fighter and man. When he decided to change camps I was praying it was with team Jackson but instead Wolfslair.
I love Rashad always have and now yall see why.
To say that Rampage knows nothing about the sport is absurd. Most of the greats in their respective sports can’t teach. They can only do. A great example of this would be micheal jordan. While he was a great player, in fact the greatest player of all time, he couldn’t teach the sport. Same goes for Rampage. He is a tremendous fighter, who does know the in and out of the sport. Just cuz he can’t teach doesn’t make him any less of a fighter
Where did you get that about Michael Jordan? He was a great leader on his team and ran a summer camp teaching basketball to youths. My best friend attended it and said Michael was a great coach. His only criticism was that he was a bit too competitive.
If you think Rampage has a high fight IQ, Ill let you keep on believing that. I think you are missing my point though.
On the Rampage coaching thing, I think it would be more accurate to say that Rampage knows nothing about COACHING MMA, or TRAINING MMA FIGHTERS, as opposed to a blanket, “he don’t know sh!t about the sport”
Also, yeah, the biggest TUF offenders are guys like Tiki Ghosn, who has been around this sport long enough to know whats the what, and to pick up the slack when his main man slips up.
JOINING the guy [Rampage] for a fu<king lunchbreak when he has a fighter [Demico Rogers] due up in the cage presently isn't doing him any favors as a coach, or getting his back as a friend.
If Rampage needs to get his grub on that badly, then Ghosn should say, "Hey boss, go grab your chow, I'll hang back and prep Demico. Oh, and yeah, bring me a 2 piece and a biscuit".
What Ghosn SHOULD NOT do is add to Rampage's malfeasance as a TUF coach, which is what he has been doing to date.
Same sitch with leaving their fighters hanging in the cage.
If Rampage is too emotional to step into the cage and help one of his guys that just got choked out or knocked out to their feet, and back to the locker room, then Ghosn, or even Blackledge, needs to step up and do the coach thing.
Finally, having done a bit of submission wrestling in my time, Sims Aftermath account of events comes across like a box of dogsh!t, plain and simple. Justin Wren looks to me like a 205er BEFORE his weight cut, and for an experienced guy like Wes Sims to go out like a first-timer seems a little too unbelievable to me, unless he came straight from the bar stool to the TUF tryout.
The man IMO most likely came on the show to get some publicity, and maybe try and earn a spot with some other promotion doing those sideshow super mutant tournaments overseas somewhere.
I understand that this TUF was primarily engineered as a promotional vehicle for the Rashad-Rampage fight which is currently OFF, and for Kimbo Slice, but at some point Dana needed to take a long hard look at some of these guys and say, even to himself, "really? Abe Wagner? Wes Sims, AGAIN?! What is TUF, some halfway house for failed NFLers, UFC cast-offs, and other half-trained MMA guys not ready for prime time?"
And I realize that TUF is not the UFC, but rather its proving ground.
However, after seeing some of this season's performances, it seems like Dana and the boys dropped the ball on this one, big time…
DARRILL SCHOONOVER!!!
Your point?