Brock Lesnar: Shane Carwin is a Tough Guy, But Hasn’t Fought Anybody
Posted by Kris Karkoski on Oct 8, 2009 at 1:00 pm ET67 Comments
“He’s a tough guy. He’s undefeated, but some of the guys he’s beaten aren’t worthy of having on your record. He hasn’t fought anybody. He’s fought (Gabriel) Gonzaga, so I really think he’s 1-0. He’s a tough guy and a wrestler. But he’s a Division II national champion — enough said.”
UFC heavyweight champ Brock Lesnar on his upcoming opponent Shane Carwin in an interview with the Las Vegas Sun. Lesnar and Carwin are slated to square off on November 21 in the main event of UFC 106 in Las Vegas.
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He fought Gonzaga, and he is hit or miss at times. But I think he poses a chance against Brock. Small chance, but i’m not counting him out completely.
+1 I’m really hoping somebody embarasses lesnar soon.
I just rewatched Carwin/Gonz, and IMPO Carwin did not look that good. As GSP would say, “I was not impressed by his performance”. His head movement was almost nonexistence. GG threw two rights in a row and Carwin didn’t move. Its one thing taking a punch, but that was just dumb. GG took him down, and Lesnar TD > GG takedown. I see Lesnar/Carwin going the same way Lesner/Mir 2 went. Actually I think GG wins that fight 4 out of 5 times. On the other hand everyone has a punchers chance. Lesner beats Carwin 19 out of 20 times.
yea you’re probably rite but i can dream…
thank you bama…
Gonzaga had Carwin on his heels for the majority of the fight before landing that massive shot.
carwin will knock lesnar out in round one, im so sure, hhhmmmm…… here let me show youse something http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Shane-Carwin-14013
Yeah its his record, your point?
what are you talkin about? 11-0 and no ones ever gotten past half a round, 1 person got past 2 minutes!!!
I think what Justin is saying is that you aren’t making a point that Brock wasn’t saying… he’s 11-0 and his most notable wins other than Gonzaga are against Christian Wellisch and Rex Richards… not exactly a who’s who.
My point is, we all know Carwin’s record, but he hasn’t face anyone on Brock’s level. We’ll see how it goes on November 21, but I think we’ll see a lot of Carwin on his back.
I agree with you here, Justin…seeing carwin on his back alot, but I also think Brock hasn’t seen someone like Carwin either.
In terms of sheer size, he’s the most equal opponent Lesnar has faced, so it’s not completely out of the question that Shane can stuff a takedown or two. Or maybe even reverse/escape Lesnar’s signature smothering attack.
Based solely on my hatred for Lesnar, I’d like to see a blooded up Lesnar get KO’d in the second after Carwin laughs at him from the corners between rounds like Brock did to HH.
His longest fight went 2:11 so I spose we can bring his conditioning into question but who knows
Hmm. This might be the first ever UFC PPV I really look into seeing somehow. From everything i’ve read on Carwin, this fight seems about even. I really hope it turns out to be good, and Brock pulls it out.
I think you are the first person to ever say you WANT Lesnar to win.
i dont get how Brock with his decision wins and a loss on his record gets to talk crap about anybody elses record lol.
decision win… he’s only had one fight to go to decision. plus he holds the belt he can rip on someone’s record if he keeps backing it up.
Lesnar’s level of d-baggery isn’t the issue here, as its probably the one thing most of us can agree upon.
The frightening thing is the fact that this particular Vanilla Gorilla is gaining a more well-rounded skillset, by reportedly working with kickboxers and Thai boxers, and of course submission wrestling guru Erik Paulson over at Greg Nelson’s Minnesota MMA Academy.
What I’m really hoping for is at 106 for Lesnar to try and catch Carwin in a hold, and have Carwin growl thru his mouthpiece, “GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME, YOU DAMNED DIRTY APE!”…
ahahaha good one…
jcohl I get a feeling we’re going to find out how good Carwin’s guard is here. Plus you do raise a good point about Lesnar learning from some great trainers that are perfect for his style. There’s a reason that Frank Mir just sat in the 50-50 guard, the more he learns the nastier he will get.
D-Bags get to do all sorts of stuff us joe smoes can’t get away with!
but nobody likes them,they only act like they do to profit from there D-Bagness!
ding ding ding someone finally gets it…
Look at the names on Brock’s record. Mir, Couture, Herring…seriously? Those are 3 of the top 10 (arguably) HW in the world.
brock has won his fights from being Bigger and Stronger (not much tech imo) he is very quick too. Mr. Carwin has more power (fist) more exsperiance, and is there that much differance between div 1 and div 2 when its MMA not pinning shoulders on a mat? i give it 60% to Shane and 40% to lesnar. maybe its because i want to see brock asleep, and want to see the funny “bizbang” type youtupe vids after? i hope brock talks all kind of smack! i think he saw this coming before most of us knew who Shane Carwin was, and is worried about him more then anyone else?
IMO
We have previously covered how much technique Brock did in fact use to beat Mir.
windmiller, I’d respectfully suggest you check into names like Erik Paulson, and into a discipline called catch-wrestling, before you make the same mistake I did that Lesnar wins his fights on sheer brute size and strength alone…
The difference between D1 and D2 wrestlers is absolutely tremendous. D2 champs would struggle to survive the Big Ten tournament much less the D1 national tournament when the monsters of the midwest are there too. The only D2 school represented on the olympic team is Northern Michigan University and that’s because the USOEC is there.
dunno that shane’s got more power…did u see herrings orbital bone after lesnar rolled his ass with one of his softer punches?
I like Lesnar alot but honestly he has no room to talk. I know Randy and Mir are top of the line but no way was Randy gonna be able to compete with the size advantage and he is 1-1 against Mir. That said, I do believe Brock wins this fight.
Carwin definitely has a puncher’s chance, but Brock is right about the wrestling. I can’t think of any D2 champ who has went on to win D1.
Jake Roshalt
Rosholt was a 3x National Champion at Oklahoma State, the school that only holds 34 D1 Team National Championships.
i’m pretty sure rosholt was a 4x all-american and 3x national champ at OSU so if he used up all 4 yrs of eligiblity at OSU (Div I) then how did he win a D-2 national championship?
I’m kinda glad that Lesnar spoke up because Carwin has been talking crap for the longest time and like i said the dude has only beating Gonzaga which was impressive but Lesnar in just a few fights has already fought the cream of the crop in Frank Mir,Randy Couture and Heath Herring and has won decisively, imagine all the pressure he had with just one or 2 fights under his belt and the dude comes in and is now dominating the UFC’s best. Carwin still has to prove himself and even though i want Lesnar to win, i know that Carwin can ko Lesnar at any given time but if he can’t connect Lesnar will show him the difference between an NCAA Champion and a Division II Champion when Carwin gets “Mir’d”.
Punchers always have a chance and thats exactly what Carwin has, a punchers chance against Brock. Brock is right about his record and the competition he’s faced. Aside from beating a very inconsistent Gonzaga, his record is better suited for a contestant on TUF and not a match against the champ.
As much as I hate to say it: sometimes brute force out-weighs skill (as in Lesnar/Mir 2 & Lesnar/Couture). I don’t think Carwin can handle Brock’s natural brute-force. If Carwin doesn’t catch him with one of those sledge-hammers that he has as well I don’t think he can beat Brock. It’s gonna take a big guy with a very good ground game like Mir or Couture to topple Lesnar. I think Velasquez has the best chance but we’ll see how he does on the 24th…
Cain is way too small and his chin is somewhat suspect after the Kongo fight. The only reason why Cain got out of that fight with the ‘W’ is because of his wrestling, which is Brock’s strength.
At one point I thought that Gonzaga had the best chance at Brock b/c of his size & ground game & Carwin killed those thoughts. I remeber Gonzaga rocking Carwin & Cain’s wrestling is way better than Shane’s..but I guess he can’t beat Brock b/c he’s only a Junior College National Champ huh?
If you are suggesting that the only reason why I think that Cain will not be able to out wrestle Brock is because he was “only a JC national champ” then you are mistaken. I am a proponent for the statement “scholastic wrestling and MMA wrestling isn’t apples to apples” and I quite often use Munoz vs. Hamil as a prime example. The thing is Cain’s only chance to defeat Brock would be to out wrestle him and I really do not see that happening. Cain is a phenominal wrestler, don’t get me wrong, but his size is going to come into play against Brock. Now I do think that Shane will be able to negate Brock’s wrestling, because he is of almost equal size and agruably of equal skill in wrestling, and will be able to keep it stading. Also the fact that Shane has a bricks for fists and realistically needs only one clean shot to get the job done.
Brock is a crusher and destroyer of worlds. Carwin will be champion one day, but he’s not going to beat Lesnar.
Carwin’s record indicates he’s never gone to a second round, which makes it very difficult to properly gauge your cardio. Add in the fact that Carwin is coming off a long layoff after having his face broken by Gonzaga. If Lesnar gets on top of him, he’s gonna gas hard, and there goes his punching power.
Wow.
And Jesus.
How the He11 I’m put in this damned position I’ll never know, after my 101 posts tearing Brock Lesnar SEVERAL new poop chutes, but I’m sadly forced to agree with the Vanilla Gorilla on this thing.
Yes, Carwin has racked up an impressive string of wins against mid-level competition and one somewhat near-top level guy in Gonzaga, yes Carwin is an impressive physical specimen, every bit as much Neanderthal as Lesnar is, and yes he’s never seen the second round, and nearly knocked Gonzaga thru the time stream with a single punch, but he hasn’t faced Lesnar’s level of competition either in MMA or the NCAA, and he clearly lacks Lesnar’s aggressiveness and of course the UFC HW title.
Carwin has a puncher’s chance, and the old fight adage goes the bigger the puncher, the bigger the chance, but in MMA I don’t always like the puncher’s chance, mostly because its hard to throw that Sunday punch when you’re on your back, or run up into the cage, or constantly sprawling to keep your opponent off of your legs.
Right now the best chance anyone has of defeating Brock Lesnar is for Randy Couture to receive another injection of the Captain America super-soldier serum, or for Frank Mir to get a rubber re-match and come at Lesnar with a far smarter gameplan than he did at 100.
Velasquez, BigNog, Mirko, Kongo, Herring, Gonzaga, Duffee, and Dos Santos lack either the size, the experience, the takedown defense, or the wrestling/GnP package to last more than 10 minutes with Brock Lesnar, let alone make it 25 minutes.
Now you all have to excuse me, I have to go get some Neosporin for my fingertips, as they’ve begun to blister typing something positive about a fighter I have such a low tolerance and personal opinion of…
What has the UFC come to? First we’re rooting for Kimbo, next we’re defending Lesnar. I feel like I don’t even know you anymore UFC
Dude…Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is happening on the Frenzy… first FR is defending Kimbo and now jcohl has succumbed to the dark side for a second and sided with Brock… just have to relax and breathe…
I’d love to see someone really put Lesnar down. His ego has gotten bigger than any parts of his anatomy… and that is some big anatomy to compare an ego to!
Unfortunately, I don’t see anyone doing it any time soon. Especially someone unproven against top flight opponents.
Couldn’t the same be said for brock lesnar a while back??? he lost to frank mir.. beat herring… then got a title fight? maybe all carwin needs is someone like brock to push him..
Very good point
Yes that is a good point. I really thought Courture would be able to handle Lesnar. The difference at this point in time is that Lesnar is proven against Mir and Courture.
And please do not get me wrong… I REALLY hope Lesnar gets his eyes crossed and his jaw broken to shut him up for a few weeks. I haven’t hated a fighter as much as him since Ken Shamrock (but Rampage is moving up that list fast! LOL).
Dude it’s like this.
Carwin hasn’t had to deal with a fighter who’s bigger, more agile and athletic, and who will shoot AND take him down. Carwin hasn’t had to deal with the undisputed hw champion of the world brock lesnar. Lesnar’s GOING to take him down and he’s GOING to out wrestle him and he’s GOING to keep him there.
Carwin has shown awesome power in his hands and the ability to take a big shot and not completely buckle which would help him out were he fighting a striker. But brock’s game plan is as clear as gina carano is f**** hot! He’s going to tie him up, clinch and muscle him to the ground.
Unless carwin catches him with his huge shots which he has a great chance at doing, brock will “frank mir” him by the 2nd round and finish by ref stoppage.
We all know Carwins hands are lethal. He needs to base his camp around takedown defense for the most part. If he can control the frieght train power of lesnar he will pull it out. As for size, he might have 20 lbs. on him at fight night, but Lesnar is not that much bigger than him.
I’m assuming that Greg Jackson is working with Carwin to minimize Lesnar’s Neanderthalic attack and maximize the range and pace Carwin will need to tee off on Lesnar, and his admittedly average stand-up defense.
The problem is, regardless of Greg Jackson being the “Genghis Khan” of MMA, as our dear departed friend Mask used to say, there are only so many things you can gameplan, and then your guy has to step into the cage and do his thing.
I think that Lesnar’s agility and athleticism will probably be too tough for Carwin to handle, and Lesnar’s singlemindedness on the takedown and GnP is eventually going to prove too much for him.
Also, once Lesnar gets Carwin down, he’ll run the full spectrum of submission wrestling to keep him seatbelted on the mat, and eating forearms and elbows until its all said and done.
Unless Carwin can catch Lesnar early, and often, he’s going to wind up with a lot worse than a broken nose after 106…
Seems we have identical posts jcohl
smart minds think alike dude
Also, after the poor game plan Rashad had against Machida, Jackson has lost some of his coaching mystique in my eyes.
yeah he tried to somewhat defend himself after the rashad fight. “before you can do certain things you have to establish certain others but machida is a master @ his own game and well that’s the way it goes sometimes”-greg jackson
Grege Jackson will be 0-3 ater Lesnar goes “Zangief” from Street Fighter on Carwin then takes Carwin down and goes “Jason Vorhees” on Carwins face leaving Carwin looking like Freddy Kruger via what Joe Rogan called “lunch boxes” that Lesnar has in his hands.
The only way for Carwin to win is to swing for the fences and score a lucky ko like he did in the Gonzaga fight in which everyone will think Greg Jackson is Master Yoda when in reality he is not but anyway i see Brock Lesnar turining Green and becoming the Incredible Hulk then breaking Carwin in half FATALITY style then giving Carwin a 200+ punch/hammer fist combo which will really leave Carwin looking like a 28 Days Larer Zombie/Freddy Kruger but he will be ugly
throwing around someone the same size as you can get tiring enough. yall act like carwins just gonna LET him do whatever he wants.. yes lesnar has better wrestling, all carwin needs to do is stuff him once and hit him in the chin one good solid time.. easier said than done tho
and if i had to put money on it i would bet carwin is stronger than lesnar. upper body wise
brock is the man. Nobody will beat him. the most domiate mma fighter in history. He will destroy carwin in 1st round. He is the best fighter to watch in and off the octagon. The only person who would put up a good fight is kurt angle and dana wont sign him. but angle would be the greatest mma fighter of all time besides brock. HE WON THE GOLD METAL WITH A FRICKEN BROKEN NECK!
That’s nothing. I can go out and buy gold metal for $1050.45 an ounce.
Now a gold MEDAL would be a more difficult task.
put the bong down before posting… Anderson is the most dominant now, Wandi and Fedor in their PRIDE glory days were the most dominant then.
Angle cannot fight because he is taking HGH(legally and a fact too) and would not pass an Pre-fight screening due to that “fricken broken neck”
i agree A.silva is the most dominate in 185 without question. and i think we can almost say the same for 205.. when you can dominate 2 weight classes like he does/or will.. without question who the p4p fighter is
Lasnar all the way!! he’s gonna be champ for a while.. just like the spider, gsp and machida
I think we all know who’s the better wrestler.We can all agree that lesnar the better athlete and most of are pretty sure that lesnar’s more likely to win.But we also know that lesnar hasn’t faced anyone that hits as hard as carwin.So hopefully shane clips him coming in and sends him home to sulk over a few coors lights.
I did laugh when I read this, but it is to be expected and he does have a point. Brock is ever improving and will only get better. I am scared to see how good he will be in this fight….Especially after reading who his sparring partner might be….
Did anyone else read the story or rather rumour that a certain Fedor character and Brock Lesnar may have an unsactioned ’sparring fight’??
And it would all be filmed for us to see the proof.
I would love Shane to win but Lesnar will come in fitter than him and have the better executable plan.
No, I haven’t head or read that Fedor and the Vanilla Gorilla were going to roll.
If you get a chance, I’m sure the frenZied would appreciate if you could post a link or something.
Thanks, friend…
That story was later found to be false, that website was hacked and someone was creating and posting false stories.
Much obliged for the clarification, sir.
No problem. You have to be careful what you read on the interwebbies, it’s kind of like the bathroom wall, anyone can write on it.
Well if Brock thinks Carwins 1-0 that’s cool because 1-1 was good enough to get Brock a title shot
It crawls under my skin that a fighter being 3-1 in the UFC, only having fought 4 fighters takes the opportunity to dog another fighters accomplishments. Especially an 11-0 fighter.
So as with Kimbo I will take a stance on Brock. Brock I tried to like you. I did. Just can’t justify it to myself anymore to waste the energy on liking someone that is an XXXXXL D-Bag.
So, I suppose you can take the man out of the WWE/WWF/Trailer Park, but you can’t…well, you get the point.
brock needs to stick to a gameplan -although he’s a very focussed athlete he’s not able to fight different ways.
If the fight goes all over Brock’s inferior intelligence may play a factor as Carwin ‘the engineer’ will figure out how to win quicker when it goes into the unjnown, unprepared territory