Mike Swick vs. Dan Hardy In The Works For Title Shot Against GSP
UFC welterweights Mike Swick and Dan Hardy got rumors swirling yesterday that they may be facing off against one another in the near future. Dan Hardy posted on his facebook page, “The universe is in my favour at the moment! MMA Fans prepare for some big news over the next few days!” Then Swick posted on his Twitter, “Hey guys, no I am not fighting Hughes or GSP next. I do have some really cool news but can’t say just yet… Stay tuned!”
The fact that the two posts were relatively close together in time, and talked about potential future match-ups led many to believe that a bout between the two was being organized. This morning, UFC President Dana White confirmed the bout to MMAFanhouse and added that the winner would be top contender to Georges St. Pierre’s championship.
As yet, White made no mention of when the potential bout would take place, but UFC 105 in November seems to be the likely candidate. Both fighters have spent time in training camps recently, and Hardy was already scheduled to be on the November 14 card in Manchester, England fighting Dong Hyun Kim. However, telegraph.co.uk reported that Kim suffered an injury which made Hardy available to face Swick.
Swick was last in action gaining a TKO victory over Ben Saunders at UFC 99 in Cologne, Germany. He had been scheduled to fight Martin Kampmann at UFC 103 in a battle for number one contendership, but suffered a concussion in training which prevented him from competing in the bout.
Hardy also last fought at UFC 99, where he earned a split decision victory over Marcus Davis. Hardy is now 3-0 in his UFC career, and is quickly growing in popularity. With a win over Swick in their upcoming bout, Hardy could really boost hist standings within the company.
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This is what happens when the UFC doesn’t do the rght thing which was reschedule Kampmann vs Swick.
Dan Hardy does not deserve a number 1 contenders fight with a decision win over Marcus Davis, Dan Hardy should be 2 big wins away from a title shot not 1 win which was a big win for him but i’m sorry a win over Marcus Davis is not that huge IMO. Hardy doesn’t deserve this BUT this is obviously like the Shogun at 205 situation where there is nobody else so hey Swick needs a win to justify a title shot so lets give him Hardy kind of thing.
It doesn’t matter anyway because Georges St. Pierre hasn’t used his Mortal Kombat Fatality in a while so it doesn’t matter who wins this fight, they are just fighting for the chance to be able to tell their grandchildren that they had the honor to get Mortal Kombat’t on by GSP.
I see Swick winning this fight simply becauase he’s taller faster and IMO more well rounded than Hardy. Hardy has decent Muay Thai and improved boxing with impressive ko power but this will be a big fight for him that he may not be ready for. If Hardy can get inside Mike Tyson style than he for sure has a chance to catch Swick but i don;t see that happening because Swick is way too fast and like i said before Swick’s punches carry a lot of speed but with ko power behind them and that’s going to be the difference in this fight. Swick can also take the fight to the ground and get the sub because the dude does have a decent underrated ground game. Dan Hardy i feel has the skills to get the upset but all factors considered i feel he will get caught by Swicks punches and he’ll begin to buckle.
Swiok via t(ko)
Not via Gunslinger’s fave finisher, the Swick-o-tine?
I agree Hardy needs some more wins before getting a shot at GSP but I don’ think the UFC has too many options for GSP right now. Unless they can get some outside talent GSP has pretty much cleaned out the WW division.
I also see Swick taking this fight. I’d like to see Hardy win but i think Swick has the goods in this one.
I totally agree with you Marvel. Hardy doesn’t deserve a shot for GSP. He’s got a lot to prove to the organization still and like you said, he still needs 2 big wins to get the title shot.
Like FightTrend said, GSP pretty much cleaned out the WW division.
What’s next for him? Gain some weights? I don’t see any other challenges.
how the he11 does either guy deserve to be the next beatdown victim of the greatness? when will fitch get his rematch, what more does he have to do? mk4, save the intelligent posts for the forum bro.
Fitch is getting another shot if he gets past Ricardo Almeida at 106 that well be his 3rd win then. I think that when he gets his rematch.
I still think that even if Fitch wins that fight, and Alves wins his that they will re-match eachother for another re-match with GSP. 170 seems to be all over the place right now.
fitch was the first guy since bj to bloody up gsp, and gsp even said after the fight that fitch was like the bad guy from terminator, he just wouldnt go away. what else does fitch have to do? its bs to fight 3 or 4 guys after you lose a title shot to get another one. fitch is clearly one of the top 3 170ers on earth, [gsp/alves the other two], and fitch has to basically clean out the welterweight division to get another title shot??? the man tied gracie’s record of consecutive wins in ufc history, and he still has to earn his right for another shot? and alves is going to have to do the same? the ufc is fu<king up big time with their announced/rumored matchups as of late, and espically with who gets the next title shots in every division. i could do a better job coming up with top contenders and title fights [as well as the big dogs that post on the forum]. heres a freebie
#1 contenders/title shot
fitch-alves
guy who gets next shot after the above winner
swick-kos [they dont want to fight each other? get out of the ufc or move up a weightclass, this whole i dont want to fight so and so is complete bull$hit. by your boy a few beers/shots after the fight and set him up with two very fine women and i guarantee all will be forgiven]
Come on Hardy .. wow the UFC is really trying to give Swick a title shot.
All I got to say is Daley’s getting Robbed. He deserved this match vs Swick.
Not only would Daley-Swick be a better fight, but Hardy’s SD win over Marcus Davis was pure bullsh!t IMO, not to take anything away from Hardy, who is a quality 170er.
This would constitute a string of recent opportunity robberies in the UFC, starting with Hendo and Marquardt and now Daley…
How is Daley getting robbed. He has one fight in the UFC and he should be fast tracked lik so many others everybody complains about. That’s very interesting. Hardy doesn’t deserve it but at least he has put the work in.
i agrre with love needs to fights someone like anthony johnson or alves b4 he gets the 1st contender rating
IMO Daley’s victory against Kampmann was pretty impressive and I would have been more than happy to see him fight Mike Swick instead of Dan Hardy… this fight sucks. Like everybody’s saying on this post’s comments, the UFC organisation seems to just say to Swick : “Here for you man, a title shot on the side”. **** that.
With Paul Daley i thought it was going to be one of those Anderson Silva things where Daley had an impressive debut against the potential number 1 contender and destroyed him, so i honestly though he would have gotten Swick for his next fight, but either way Georges St. Pierre is hungry to go Ryu and Ken on someone, maybe even give someone Akuma’s Raging Demon move
excpet on the Anderson debut Leben was NOT the potential number 1 contender, just clearing that up before i ge mobbed by the Frenzy
however at the time, had leben won he was going to be given the next title shot at rich. or so that was the rumor at the time. but you did get it right with comparing daley’s beating of kampmann. all i could say to justify it is that leben was clearly out and looked like an amateur against anderson, while daley’s stoppage was somewhat early if you ask the kampmann fans. i thought he was gone and out of it, but thats me.
This will be an entertaining fight, unfortunately the aftermath of which will lead to a slaughtering. Fitch aside there just isn’t anyone at welterweight who can put up a half decent performance vs GSP. There isn’t. I’d like to see Fitch get his rematch and think it is well deserved. Then I see no reason to not move GSP up to middleweight. Dana can try to play down the dream match up we are all waiting for by saying GSP is too small to fight Silva, but give me a break. GSP walks around at 185-190, he can surely fight anyone in that division, and most likely win. After a couple fights at 185 he will be adjusted to the extra weight and ready to wrestle down and ground and pound the crap out of Silva.
Wow! Dan Hardy? Mike swick is totally getting pampered by the UFC and it’s more than obvious that Dana White hella wants swick to eventually face GSP. I like dan hardy but he’s not ready for a shot and he doesn’t deserve one. Swick on the other hand is on “easy street” to a title shot but it really doesn’t matter who wins because GSP will absolutely destroy either guy.
Paul Daley vs Swick
That’s what should have happend. Maybe they’re saving Daley for Koscheck! That would be lovely! Hardy should have fought hughes. I can’t wait for the day the UFC implements rankings because no matter how many times we get this sort of news, i’m always upset! Always! Atleast my boy GSP has the crown!
Anderson Silva has 3 fights left so
Belfort 108
Marquardt/Henderson {if he gets past Belfort I have to add this in}
Then Lyoto or GSP
GSP got 2 matchs in line
Swick/Hardy
Fitch/Almeida
Then probably Silva
U must not be much of a GSP fan if you want him to fight A. Silva. GSP doesnt stand a slight chance in that match up. Thats the reason Dana wouldn’t be silly enough to make that match up.
Hey I’m Canadian GSP’s my boy
If GSP wants that fight I’m all for it, if he doesn’t want it thats cool too. I really don’t care who wins in Super Fights because I’m normally a fan of both and I mean I’m just interested in seeing them.
Bzul3,
I know I am getting off topic with this reply, but I am curious to hear your reasoning as to why GSP stands no chance vs Anderson Silva?
Personally, I think GSP matches up VERY well vs Anderson Silva and here is why.
Yes, we all know that A. Silva’s stand up is better than GSP’s. No denying that. But would GSP be dumb enough to try and stand with Silva? NO WAY IN HELL. One thing GSP has that’s far better than any other fighter I can think of, is a team and coach that devises the best strategies possible to defeat whatever opponent the UFC gives him. I think the flawless win over the much bigger Alves proved that. So what would the plan be to defeat the Brazilian?
We’ve seen in two performances, by Dan Henderson and Travis Leuter, that Silva is weakest with his wrestling and on the ground. I am not saying he’s bad. I’m saying his stand-up is so top notch that in comparison his ground game is not as good. This plays perfect into GSP’s strengths. GSP is THE BEST wrestler p4p in the UFC. He wrestles regularly in training camp with the 205lbers and does just fine.
GSP has every chance of taking down Anderson Silva and utilizing his ground game to nullify the stand-up game of Anderson Silva. GSP’s stand-up may not be as good but I also think he could hold his own long enough to get Silva to the ground where GSP has a slight advantage imho.
So would it be easy? No. But I think GSP has a very good shot at beating Anderson Silva at 185.
GSP wouldn’t last too long against Anderson Silva, honestly I don’t care about the takedowns (which The Greatness is the best at in all of MMA) see once GSP took Silva down GSP would be going for control and gnp which means movement on top and Silva has gotten out of everyones attempt to keep him on the ground, either by subbing his opponent (Henderson and Lutter) or by using switches (Nate and Leites)…
If standup is a given what then do you think the Greatness can do… Control Silva for 5 rounds, com’on lets get serious here..
Every discredits Silva’s ground game and yes he has been subb’d before and well ok Matt Serra made GSP tap due to strikes and people write that off like it never happend..
Anderson Silva is one of THREE people to ever sub Dan Henderson, the other two are known as Big NOG and LiL NOG ie BlackHouse.. Anderson Silva has four subbmission wins (Henderson,Lutter, Roan Caneiro and Israel Alberquerque) and has lost by sub twice (Ryo Chonan and Daiju Takase) so to say that he is a sucker on the ground is well, people just wishing that he gets got or sub’d so some folks can say “I told you so” {this isn’t directed specifically at you}
The Greatness himself has 4 wins via Sub (Matt Hughes 2x, Frank Trigg and Dave Strasser)and 1 loss via sub (Matt Hughes) tho I would like to point out that I personally believe that Serra’s (t)ko victory should be a sub due to strikes because GSP did tap, anywyas so with the wins via sub and losses via sub almost identical where is this “advantage” that GSP has on the ground?
Game plans haven’t work against Silva very often and to attack him recklessly is well amatuerish, I wouldn’t take GSP in this fight, I saw UFC 101 in person and immediately thought after the Silva bout that there is no chance GSP could get over on Silva not now, not in this stage of Anderson Silva’s career, and I’m going to keep to that thought..
Great points. I think it would be a very tough task for GSP but still feel he would fair well and could even pull off the upset by decision.
One thing you failed to mention though in regards to Dan Henderson was the first round control by Hendo once he had taken Silva to the ground. Yes, Silva did end up subing him in round 2 but that was due to some brutal stand up punches, kicks and mainly one big knee that left Hendo rocked and out of it on his feet. It was not due to a superior ground game. It was more due to the fact that Hendo has an iron jaw and can’t be knocked out.
That being said the first round was controlled by Henderson on the ground and Silva was unable to gain top position or get back to his feet before the round ended. Noted that he didn’t allow Dan to do much damage from the top position, he still lost the round on the judges score card. My point is, he was taken down by a better wrestler and spent half the round on his back unable to get back to his bread and butter. Could a beefed up GSP not do the same as Henderson did in round 1? Could he not do it for 5 rounds pulling out a decision? Only on way to find out.
I give Silva all the credit and respect in the world and admit he is arguably the best p4p fighter in the world. At this stage in his career I see three opponents who offer him a great challenge. Lyoto Machida, Dan Henderson rematch and GSP. Funny enough when all three of these fights have been presented or suggested to Anderson Silva, he has turned them all down or laughed at them. Doesn’t want to fight a friend, doesn’t think Henderson deserves a rematch and doesn’t see the point in fighting GSP. To me that is ducking the only real competition that threatens his status as the greatest fighter in the world.
Now Anderson is ducking? Um you are correct he won’t fight Lyoto, and well if you have issue with that then talk to Jackson subbmission fight team, AKA, ATT, Xtreme Couture, The Pit, BTT, Chute Box, Hammer House about that just to name a few… I wasn’t aware that Silva was offered a fight against GSP perhaps this is something MMAbay has randomly thrown out there or perhaps the SUN I’m not sure, I’m however pretty sure that Dana White said that the fight isn’t happening and if it were to happen GSP would need the better part of a year to “bulk up”, and that GSP and him had talked about it, I’m unaware of Silva ever being informed that he was to figth GSP….Silva’s manager stated to me and Eric in the Loews hotel lobby that he wanted to see the winner of Maia and Nate v Hendo for the #1 contender spot, soo this being before the Griffin Fight is seriously nothing New..
Again I will say that Anderson Silva works his jitz off of his back, it best suits him, and its how the NOG’s fight who gave him his BlackBelt and train Anderson Silva in BJJ, so having a opponent on top and eventually subbing him from your back is well their style, and doesn’t show any fault with Silva..
If you gave Hendo the first round of that fight so be it, who won round 2? I mean the fight… It seems as tho you are reaching for excuses or reasoning to not give Anderson Silva credit for being able to sub people and fight on the ground, he didn’t get his BJJ BlackBelt out of a cracker jack box or from a store online, he earned it… Just because he fights off of his back and that is his style doesn’t mean he has no skill…. Different camps employ different theroy’s on BJJ and his thought process is to work for subs off of his back and play more of a defensive game than lets say Damien Maia, who has a more offensive BJJ game..
I would respond in more depth but “Fr702″ beat me to it. lol
@ fr702 – quit defending Anderson Silva and get back to the forum and post some more awesome vids please!
And Silva MAY be able to beat GSP, but I’ll have to see it to believe it. GSP is better coached and a far better wrestler.
And if BJ Penn, who is a far better BJJ guy than Silva couldn’t hook and submit GSP off of his back, then I don’t envision Silva doing it either.
IF Silva beats GSP he does it the same way he beats most everyone else, with a sniper strike on the KO button…
jcohl,
Phil Nurse
Silva is WAAYYYY bigger than Penn or even GSP
and I know you enjoyed the vids
I don’t understand what I am missing. Why don’t they have GSP and Silva fight at 178lbs. You can protect both belts you don’t have to give GSP “the better part of a year to bulk up” and there will be solid proof of who is the best. If I wasn’t happy with my job I would challenge Joe Silva for his.
I’m not going to say GSP is going to win vs Silva ,but I do believe he can cut tho Anderson’s guard as good or better then Lutter did. If he did get Silva to the ground .. he’ll have Silva in trouble a few times. Its very hard to hold GSP in your Guard ask{Fitch/Alves/Serra (the 2nd time lol)/Hughes /Sherk..and the list goes on}
Not taking anything away from Anderson .. but GSP is good from the top game.
i kinda agree with what your saying about gsp fighting “anybody in that division [middleweight]“, but im not sure if your aware that almost all those guys cut from 205+, anderson cuts down from 210-215, nate and dan are about 205, okami is rumored to cut from 220, they make weight and rehydrate and come fight night they are pushing close to 195-200. gsp would maybe be at 190 come fight night. not to mention the top middleweights are about 2-3 inches taller than him which give them more reach. i believe that 170 is the best weight for gsp, sure he can hang at 185, but i dont see him beating hendo, marquardt would probably fu<k up gsp [but i doubt greg would let them fight], okami would be too strong for gsp, vitor's hands and power would be too much [remember what serra did to gsp? vitor would do it with the first combo he lands], and anderson would pick apart gsp.
I think it’s a very interesting matchup and who knows, if Hardy beats Swick, it sets up a superfight for the title in the UK…..
Fitch is in the same category as Okami. On paper he might deserve the shot but who wants to see it….? It would be a low selling PPV, people want to see GSP up against some new meat.
Hardy and Swick are tall dangerous strikers with some good reach. In my opinion, the only guys with a chance.
GSP neutralizes anyones wrestling ( Koscheck, Hughes, Trigg..etc ), can neutralize anyones BJJ ( Fitch, Penn, Serra … )
If Swick catches GSP and swarms him, GSP tends to tap when he’s in the heat. He tapped when Hughes barely had time to extend his arm and he tapped to Serra’s barrage of punches when he knew the fight would be stopped shortly anyway.
so what your saying is this… screw the guy that deserves the title shot because it wont make enough money, and lets give the title shot to someone who could make more money even though they have yet to beat a top 5 guy or a contender? are you finkledinkle?
gsp tends to tap when the heat is on? hughes armbar barely extended gsp’s arm and he tap. have you ever had an armbar put on you? chances are no, and if you think it was weak maybe you should ask someone to put it on you. i wonder how long you will last. gsp did the smart thing because armbar’s in that position technically cant be broken. the only thing that will break is the actual arm.
gsp did tap against serra, but i highly doubt you saw it when the fight actually happened. i didnt and i was at the event with floor seats. you couldnt even tell when the replay was shown on the arena screen thingy.
if swick cathces him he will lose, if alves connects on gsp he will lose, if bj gets gsp in a submission hold he will lose, if gsp makes a mistake against fitch he will lose… these are all the scenarios that have been said in gsp’s last few fights. what happened? he was never in danger or put himself in a bad situation. if he decides to stand with swick [if the fight happens] gsp will pwn swick.
if i win the lottery i will buy a big house and a ferrari and buy a controlling intrest in the ufc to be a co-matchmaker with joe silva. but that wont happen.
Actually Leben was on a 6 fight win streak before he fought anderson so he was up there or there abouts. It doesn’t really matter who wins or even who gets Swick because GSP will destroy any of them. Personally I would like to see GSP move up to 185 and take on a tough wrestler like Roshalt or even Henderson to see if he is actually the best wrestler in the UFC
I like this username better by the way, lets keep it to one…
Well percentage wise on takedowns and ground control GSP is the best wrestler in all of MMA.. I do agree that GSP v Henderson would be something but people need to understand that well GSP might be too small for MW, helll even he has stated that, GSP should just sit on his throne and defend his title, he has defended it Three times since regaining it he should focus on just destroying the WW division.. The Greatness is on a 6 fight win streak, keep it going imo
Hendo might, and again I say MIGHT, be too much for GSP to handle, considering that Hendo is a 2 time Olympian…
If any ww wants a title shot, they need to beat Kos and either Alves or Fitch. Not, Kampman, not Hardy and not Swick. Dont F this up UFC.
I personally say give the winner of Fitch v Alemdia the title shot..
To look at Swick’s record and well lets just say I’m not that “impressed” (but I never have been with Swick..
14~2~0 (9~1 in the UFC)
Notable wins include
Ben Saunders, Marcus Davis, David loiseau, Joe Riggs and Gideon Ray
Notable Losses are
Yushin Okami and Chris Leben
o and Paul Daley has never impressed me (yes I know he has power but)
22~8~2 (1~0 in the UFC)
Notable wins
Kampmann, John Alessio, Mark Weir, Bang Ludwig, Xavier Foupa-Pokam
Notable Losses
Nick Thompson, Jake Sheilds, Luiz Azeredo, Satoru Kitaoka
and well Dan Hardy the new great English hype
there is this
22~6~0 (2NC) {3~0 in the UFC}
Notable wins
Marcus Davis, Rory Markham, Gono
Notable losses
Yosiyuki Yoshida, David Baron
IMO these gents don’t deserve a shot at The Greatness, and well the UFC should throw in Thiago Alves in this mix and make a little tourney out of the four… all hard hitters (The Greatness’ kriptonite) and see what transpires…..
I would say that the guy who beats GSP is the guy who will go in there confident and focused on what he’s going to do to the champ and NOT what the champ is going to do to him. The guy who finally beats gsp is the guy who’s not going to give him so much respect that will throw him off their game. Examples, Matt Hughes and Matt Serra.
Thiago Alves didn’t engage GSP as much as he should because he was worried about the takedown.
But to give GSP credit, he can f*** you up standing or take you down and whoop on you. That’s what makes him great and that’s what makes him ellusive and hella hard to fight against.
But you can’t worry so much about that when fighting GSP. Either you go in there and fight your fight and try to stop him from fighting his,or you’ll be eating punches and you’ll be taken down untill the ref stops the fight.
I don’t think Swick, Hardy or anyone @ the moment poses a threat to GSP. It’s the 185 division all over again…
dan hardy would take him out on the feet for sure, hardy tko round 3, swick might be a little bit overrated
Swick is probably more than a “little bit overrated”, but in a stand-up fight against Hardy I like Swick’s handspeed and accuracy, plus he’s better coached and trains with higher level guys…
you know dan hardy trains with freddy roach, also just because swicks nickname is “quick” it doesn’t actually mean his hands are faster than other peoples, its a gimic
@ petterson – you go back and watch some of Swick’s fights and you’ll see how fast his hands are, my friend.
Yes, I agree that there is some gimmickry going on with his name, but the LAST thing a fighter should do is underestimate Swick’s handspeed and accuracy IMO…
Dont worry about petterson Jcohl hes got Swicks face imprinted on his toilet paper.
what does that even mean
If Hardy wins witch I doubt, It wouldn’t make sense to have him fight anywhere but the UK witch won’t happen since 105 is there. The only way either one would have a chance is if they put Swick/Hardy both against GSP. Honestly I believe Anderson should move up and stay there regardless if Lyoto is his BFF, then and only then GSP could also move up witch I think he should and more than likely continue his slaughtering of folks. Imagine the match-ups there would be for him at MW.
I really believe the ufc would benefit from a tournament for a shot at gsp…ill try to make something
Daley did diserve the title shot. He took the kampman fight on short notice and wreaked him, that alone says he sould have it. Swick and Hardy make an intresting fight but not for the #1 contender. I think Hardy will TKO Swick in the second round and then go to fight GSP and get taken down at will.
JAzz when you engage gsp you have to be hesitant because if you not and you over committ then you going to the floor.
I believe GSP style is the only style that is going to beat Silva. If you look at silvas record in the UFC the only round that was taken from him was from henderson and that was because he took silva to the ground and GNP him and handerson doesnt even use his wrestiling that much when he fights. Henderson likes to stand and bang because he knows he has Amazing chin and can that a kick/punch. GSP uses his wrestiling like no other in the UFC (except for maybe Lesnar) He will engage Andersone from the opening bell and not give anderson the 2 minutes he needs to gage the distance and will be on the floor with GSP cutting thru his gaurd like butter and GNP from side control. He may even want to do the up and down game like he did agaist serra just to exaust him. I dont think Silva has fought someone like GSP and wont be able to keep up. But thats my opinion.
well leading up to swick-killa b saunders, people were saying that killa b would be too much for swick and that swick’s hands werent enough… what happened? swick put him to sleep very quickly. same thing here, hardy got a gift with the decision over marcus davis, and swick will walk through hardy, maybe leading up to a fight with gsp, and then gsp will be called the AKA KILLA for taking out all 3 welterweight members of AKA.
damn tons of spelling errors… I know that that may discredit my opinion but im commenting while im at work, so im a little rushed
I’m more concerned about the concept of Daley getting the shot rather than grammar
I must be missing something. I don’t see how Daley deserves a title shot. I guess I forgot to buy my bandwagon ticket.
i’m @ work too brent so understand how you have to “rush”
Yeah dude, i’m not saying you have to overcomitt and go @ gsp hella aggressive. I’m just saying that while gsp nuetralized thiago alves and did whoop on him, i think thiago didn’t fight the way he normally does because he was too concerned about what gsp’s gameplan was.
I can’t wait to see GSP fight whoever he’s gonna fight so when he’s about to win the ref will turn into Shang Sung and look at GSP and say”FINISH HIM”, then GSP will fire his Sub-Zero ice on his opponent and freeze his opponent then he’ll do a Jean Claude Van Damme 360 spin kick and destroy whoever he fights and then Shang Sung will say “St. Pierre wins, FLAWLESS VICTORY…FATALITY” GWUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“FLAWLESS VICTORY”
Thats my boy…
Is this some kind of joke? Before 103 was put on I had never heard of Swick being considered a top guy at 170. Just because a guy drops a weight class doesn’t make him a contender. I would have thought he would have had to beat someone in the top 5 to get a shot at GSP. Now your telling me that not only is Swick one win away from a title beating but so is Hardy? If I were Kos, Fitch, or even Sanchez I’d be pissed.
I’ll be the one to say it, would someone please put Randy out to pasture? Just because a guy can stand in the ring and not get beat up doesn’t make him a fighter. Rolling out these old ******** like Randy, Coleman, Chuck, Nog, Huges,….and trying to convince us that these guys are still for real is getting a little hard to sell. Who wouldn’t want to see Story vs Foster 2 or any of the young real contenders fight over watching some old guy that used to be tough before the sport really went professional, stand in the ring a lean agaist another old guy against the cage. Can you imagine what a real contender like Carwin would do to Randy? Younger, Bigger, Stronger, Faster, Huge KO Power, Undefeated vs Old as Dirt, Experiance. If you put Kos against any of these guys at any weight he’d **** em up and he’s not even the top young guy. I don’t know I was into the UFC way back for 1-12 and then came back with TUF 1, but I just don’t see the “greatness” of these old guys. And I don’t know way the UFC pushes them so hard. When Randy steps in the ring the only sure bet is it’s going to be a sleeper.
When am I going to see that young guy that beat down Bonner? I think his name was Jon Johns, any news? He looked like he had some huge talent to build on.
That is an interesting statement that you have made, and well lets see where this heads, keep the quasi fighter bashing to a minimum and well I’m just interested to see what road this travels down
Disrespecting men Randy Couture and BigNog sort of identitfies what kind of MMA fan you are.
‘Nuff said…
jay,
dude i can see your point on Nog,Liddell,Couture etc…,i can see your point on them being too old to compete, but as far as them being great there is no question, just on their accomplishments alone they are great. Sure this is a new era, but what if your boy Jon Jones had fought Couture or Liddell in their prime? Couture would have “Couture’d” Jones day in and out and Liddell without question would have put Jones to sleep. This is a new era and i get that an i agree that guys like Hughes,Liddell and especially Couture need to hang-em up and give the young guys their turn at building this era, but to bash them like that just makes you look like someone who doesn’t know that the he11 he’s talking about.
I agree completely with you on the 170 situation as it si, i actually called this whole thing happening when the UFC announced that Paul Daley would be Fighitng Martin Kampmann, i said that fight was a dangerous fight for the UFC for obvious reasons and now look at what’s going down, you have two undeserving guys fighting for the next title shot.
well mr jay i believ its safe to assume you dont like “old” mma fighters. as far as jon jones [not johns], he sure did look like he has some talent, but so did a guy name phil baroni, diego sanchez [although the jury is still out on him, but dropping to another weight class and basically being given a title shot is poo], among many other guys who look like they have talent, looking like you have it and actually putting it to use in mma is different. sure jones is young, but he hasnt beaten a top 10 guy, he hasnt faced an elite striker, nor an elite wrestler, nor a jitz ace. so he hasnt proved nothing.
couture is one of the very select few to hold title belts in two different weightclasses, almost all the others that have are near locks for a mma hall of fame if there was such a thing.
how is carwin a real contender? im a carwin fan/supporter, but how is a real contender? the only reason he is awarded a shot at mr deathclutch/ufc sponsor basher is because he is a near copy of him on paper with the only advantage being he has ko’d a guy with one punch.
randy may be 46 but the guy is still a top 5 heavyweight, he is competitive fighter, and is always in shape and has the cardio to go 5 5minute rounds, whereas some of the other heavyweights dont. when randy isnt competitive then we can “put him out to pasture”, but respect what the man has accomplished hes a army veteran [im not sure if you are a military man, but respect what he did and i wont even attempt to bash you for not showing him respect or other military men/women], he is a hall of famer, he is a multiple time champion, held titles in two different weightclasses, and at his age of 46 looks to be in better shape than guys half his age.
how is nog old? hes only 32-33… that makes him old? machida is 31, mir is about that age, so is brock, many of the big name mma guys are older than 29 [exception being gsp].
you sir NEED to do some research on mma and fighters before posting comments on here. and if doing research on them doesnt change your view on them, then i feel sorry for you, and the frenzy isnt the place for you. sherdog seems better suited for that type of view on mma.
Amen.
see above
I know we’ve discussed this before, and at great length, both in the commentaries and in the forum, but the harsh truth is that whether it be Daley or Kampmann or Swick or Hardy or Koscheck or Alves or Fitch, all we’re really discussing here is who is going to be the SECOND best 170er in the UFC, and by extension, in the world.
None of these guys on their best day can beat GSP, and honestly most of them on some level should know it by now.
Yes, they should keep trying, and training, and re-tooling their skillsets, but at the end of the day GSP at 170 is like BJ Penn at 155, in that they can only beat themselves by fighting hurt, or half-a$$ing it in training camp, or making some sort of galactically stupid mental error or freak in-cage injury.
Otherwise, when you step in against men with the supermatural talent level of GSP, you’re going home with an “L”.
Period.
I agree dude. the only way GSP and Penn lose, is if they beat themselves.
Although GSP might be @ level or two above the ww’s, i’d still like to see top contenders fight him. Like JAY said. I’d like to see guys earn their way to the top and then fight the king of the division because you’ve earned it.
Swick or hardy sounds like a scene in the middle weight division.
Exactly.
I can’t agree more about the 170 contenders.
They should in no way, shape, or form just accept their secondary status. They should keep fighting and training and learning and polishing their skillsets because someday GSP is going to be hurt or sick or be going thru some harsh personal sh!t or maybe just age catches up with him and he gets caught and we have a new 170 king.
Honestly, the UFC needs to throw Anthony RUMBLE Johnson in the mix for the total shot. I don’t think GSP can get pass Silva let alone Anthony Johnson
here here!
you dont see how? this is how gsp gets past aj, he takes him down to the ground like he does everyone at 170 and destroys him like he does everybody. aj has questionable cardio, and has yet to prove himself against a top 10 welterweight.
[heres your comeback] aj is a dangerous striker…
[my comment to that], alves is a more complete and dangerous striker and i dont seem to remember alves landing a “strike” on gsp. gsp took him down [and i do believe alves carries more muscle and has more strength than aj]… just to inform you i am a fan of aj and alves.
Man you and Jcohl realy got to take out the trash tonight huh?
Good on ya guys.
@ max –
If you honestly don’t think GSP can get past Anthony Johnson then you SERIOUSLY need to hit up the tube of you and re-watch some of GSP’s greatest hits.
If they fought today, I’m not sure Johnson would make it out of the second round with GSP, let alone come anywhere near a win.
GSP has beaten better strikers [Alves], better BJJ guys [Penn, Serra], better well-rounded fighters [Fitch] and better wrestlers [Hughes, Koscheck] than Anthony Johnson.
Which is not to say that Rumble isn’t a quality 170er, he just isn’t at the GSP level of excellence.
No shame in that though, because no one else is, either.
Not to sound like a di<k, but maybe you want to rethink posting something like "GSP can't get past Anthony Johnson" here at the frenZy, where almost all of us know whats the what when it comes to GSP, or the Greatness, and the man I call the DNA of MMA.
Just some friendly advice…
I agree with Brent that Swick vs Hardy is an interesting match up but neither guy deserves a title shot.But like Jcohl says,all we’re doing is discussing who will be second best cause I don’t see any WW beating GSP right now.Maybe if Hardy beats Swick they can set up a Battle of the Brits with Hardy vs Daley.And I agree with max that they should start pushing Rumble into the mix,although I don’t think he’d stand much of a chance against GSP right now either.
I love how people keep pointing out how Hendo took the first round from Anderson by getting the takedown. It wasn’t decisive, it was pretty much lay and pray. So what happened in the 2nd round, when Anderson had enough of Hendo?
A side point, just because someone has never been knocked out, doesn’t mean that you can’t be knocked out.
I don’t even know where to begin. Neither guy can go 3 rounds with GSP. This is the best of the best at 170. It’s laughable. Nothing else to be said. The End.
PS:
Swick fights like he plays poker, very poorly. Full Tilt sign me up.
GSP vs Silva….please. I quote “A good big man will beat a good small man any day of the week”. Silva is bigger and faster, period. In that matchup I don’t see much success for GSP taking the fight to the ground. It would be exactly like Penn vs GSP.
bigchris,
funny dude you made me laugh
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I’m a big “Rumble” fan but the dude’s cardio IS questionable like bigchris said and if you don’t know how weak his ground game is ask rich clementi. GSP would take him down and leave him there while he break dances.
Swick imo is being babysat @ ww. I don’t understand. first of all he loses to josh burkman, and i’m sorry dudes but he lost that decision, then he decisions marcus davis, then he ko’s goulet who isn’t even top 15, then he tko’s “killa b” who isn’t even on the map, and then he “gets injured” but then is ready to fight a month later, calls out matt hughes, but instead gets hardy and thanks his lucky stars he didn’t get daley who just stepped up to replace him to do something swick wouldn’t have done and knock “the hitman” out.
Damn how is hardy even up there. Fitch should get rematch and its should be alves koscheck rematch after that to see who gets next title shot
Hardy is most likely getting opportunities beyond his current station the same way Bisping is.
As part of the UFC/UK expansion plan, which explains why TUF 9 was the TUF that no one was calling for.
In order to promote MMA and the UFC in the UK, Dana White has cirrectly susses out that having some of the home guys in the limelight will go a long way.
And to date it’s been working.
Although IMO it would have been better for Daley and Hardy to fight on some UK card with the winner getting the opportunity to have his a$$ handed to him by GSP at some later date…
Yea lets just keep watching the same fights over and over again…
or we could have the complete destruction of guys that dont deserve title shots, havent beaten a top 3-5 guy in their division, and are ducking fighting their “sparring partner”.
^^^that works doesnt it Bzul3?
not to personally attack you, but have you accomplished everything you set out to do the first time? or did it take time or more chances???
^^^example… have you slept with every girl you went out on a date with on the first night? [without force and/or the use of drugs or alcohol?] chances are no, i believe none of us have. its taken more than one date… well look at getting the welterweight title in the same light. gsp is the prude thats being hard to get. eventually someone will get it. the 205 title was easy for about a year, [it went with different guys every chance it got] until the dragon came around. now it seems like its not going to be so easy. [he does have to defend it, but its not pertinent to this analogy].
^^^weird comparision, but it works.
I see ur point.
Chris you are in a league of your own today. did you have a night with stanton or something. Il need an autograph when you get a chance.
Anthony is the biggest WW in the UFC The guy MORE explosive, BIGGER, stronger, and MORE athletic than GSP. Come on guys, you know Anthony could knock out GSP
Ok, I’ve met AJ and he is one of the nicest fighters I’ve met and I would be considered a fan of his, and you’re correct he is huge for a WW he cuts from approx 202 down to 170, yet when I met him he said he was 193…. Anyways I get it you are a huge fan of AJ’s hey I don’t blame you, but is AJ ready for GSP, not rightnow imo, out of the 8 comments you have made under this account 7 have be about AJ being the next best thing (persay) and I don’t doubt that, I personally don’t think he is “ready” rightnow…
to true
if you feel he is more explosive, bigger, stronger, and more athletic then gsp, have him fight alves. alves is considered by many to be the biggest and strongest welterweight in the ufc.
by the way theres a difference between being stronger, and actually using that strength so its able to help in mma. i believe its called functional strength. alves was stronger than gsp, yet gsp took him down at will. so where was the strength advantage? if he was so strong then he would/shouldve been able to toss gsp to the side.
aj needs to work on his cardio and wrestling and is 2 years or more away from being ready for gsp. add to the fact that he has yet to beat a top 10 welterweight.
i feel everyone in the division is 2 fights away from a title shot with an exeption of swick but all in all theirs not even an oponent for him right now that can be thrown in #1 contender fight.
im likeing the way the divisions starting to look thought.
anthony johnson, jon fitch, alves, hardy, dailey,condit, almadiea, koschek, ellenberger,
however i think anthony johnson has the only chance to dethroneing gsp
Im beginnng to notice how every other thread on the frenzy ends up turning into a discussion about The Spider. Its getting a little ridiculous IMO.
Swick vs Hardy is honestly a pretty good matchup to me. I mean, Swick vs. Fitch or Swick vs. Alves would be better. But we all know that the AKA guys wont fight eachother. And I highly doubt that Swick would want to wait longer and longer for his next fight so he pretty much had no other choice but to take this fight. Plus, he will probably get a title shot after this fight. Unless if Dana decides to pull a “Hendo” again and guarantee a title shot, then not give it to him. Which could very well happen to Swick if he wins this one.
Anyways, Swick should win this fight IMO. The guy has phenomenal speed, and he has amazing takedown defense. I think Hardy might have more punch power, and I believe he could stand and bang with Swick. Hardy has great boxing, I mean cmon the guy trains boxing with Freddy Roach. However, even if he did stand and bang with Swick, I think Swick would land more strikes and win a decision. Then you think, what if Hardy tries to take Swick down? Well, Swick is damn hard to takedown. This is going to be a very tough test for Dan Hardy. But who knows, we’ll see. I cant wait.
One thing i dont like about the UFC is if you fight for the title and lose your totally out of the picture completley
If you ask me to name the best 3 Welterweights in the world its GSP , Alves and Fitch just because GSP beat them once doesnt mean he would beat them again (even though i think he would) its pointless getting average / good fighters like Hardy swick and Kampmann title fights just because GSP has already beat the above 3
Lets have some rematches i would rather watch GSP vs Alves again than GSP vs Hardy
Don’t worry if Hardy wins White won’t give him a title shot. We know how that goes
Seriously tho hopefully Swick wins I would love to see his striking+takedown defense vs. GSP. I think it would be an interesting fight.