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The Ultimate Fighter 10: Heavyweights — Episode 2 Recap

Posted by Kris Karkoski on Sep 24, 2009 at 12:10 am ET70 Comments

The Ultimate Fighter 10 CastOn the second episode of The Ultimate Fighter 10: Heavyweights, coach Quinton “Rampage” Jackson retains fight selection for the second-straight bout despite dropping the season’s opening matchup and chooses Team Rashad’s top-pick James McSweeny to take on former NFLer Wes Shivers.

Shivers attacks early with punches and gets McSweeny to the canvas, but McSweeny escapes back to his feet and goes to work with low kicks on his fatigued opponent. After wearing Shivers down with kicks and punches, McSweeny wobbles him with a combo late in the second and grabs a guillotine following a desperation takedown but is unable to finish Shivers off. A third round appears likely, but the judges have reached a decision and declare McSweeny the winner by majority decision, improving Team Rashad to 2-0 in the opening round.

The official result of the second opening round bout was:

  • James McSweeney def. Wes Shivers via majority decision (19-19, 20-18, 20-18)

The episode closes with Rashad Evans choosing Team Rampage’s Kimbo Slice to fight former IFL champ Roy Nelson in the next opening round bout.

Stay tuned to MMAFrenzy.com each Wednesday for a recap of The Ultimate Fighter 10 leading up to the December 5 TUF 10 Finale.

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  • chrisl says:

    The scoring made no sense to me at all, and I usually always defend the scoring. I just don’t see how the first round goes to McSweeney.

    • Justin says:

      Yeah, I would have gone draw as well.

      • chrisl says:

        you know watching it a second time I was actually more angry than the first time haha. Shivers gassed himself going for as much as he did but the first round he was chasing McSweeney the entire time. Every time Shivers got to the ground he was working.

        McSweeney was more technical/seasoned but he did not really use it. He ditched his leg kicks until it was clear shivers was too tired to check them properly(which shrivers drove me nuts but not checking) and if he commits correctly to the guillotine that fight is over then.

        If Shivers does not stand around like he did at the end he wins that fight easy in my book. Oh well they’re paid to judge not me…

      • fr702 says:

        Chrisl,

        It is simply this, neither of the two participants tongiht were top level guys and its interesting that everyone is gassing but I guess it is what it is, tho these gents have a helll of a story and passion for what they say they “want” they just don’t have the technical skill to employ what they desire… This was at most an amatuer bout by two big guys, thats my honest opinion..

      • Justin says:

        Spot on analysis by both of you.

  • Justin says:

    After this fight I’m thinking the show should have been “The Ultimate Fighter: Guys guaranteed to get tired in the first round, then dumb.”

    Kimbo vs. Roy next week will be massive, absolutely massive.

    • fr702 says:

      “biggest TUF fight ever” I kinda agree with that… Saying its going to be interesting is well a bit of an understatement, who would have thought that Justin would be excited for Kevin Ferguson v Roy Nelson :P there I going speaking for you again Justin sorry ;-)

      • Justin says:

        I am excited for it, now that Ferguson isn’t being billed as the “the next great….” and he’s decided to jump in the tank with the sharks and try to fight his way into the UFC, which actually has me pulling for him.

        I also have to say that based on what I’ve seen out of him, versus what I’ve seen from Roy, as a person, I like Kevin/Kimbo better.

      • BuzzBradski says:

        I definitely agree, Justin. Kimbo always strikes me as a decent dude that is a touch more down to earth that what you’d expect. I haven’t been impressed with Roy’s attitude at all and was happy to see Rashad and his guys rip into him a bit last night.

  • fr702 says:

    The first 1 or 2 *minutes was pretty cool, the first round was ok but towards the end of the 2nd I found it difficult to take either fighter seriously, not doubting their passion for the sport but honestly they both gave up on bringing the fight, ya they gassed and I got that but the fight was mehhh to say the least

  • bigchris2328 says:

    should be interesting next week to say the least. i wonder what the reaction of the others will be if/when kimbo ko’s roy. will they still be saying “fu<k him" and referring to him as a "sheep walking into a room full of wolves"?

  • miggy24 says:

    They both deserved to lose cant wait for kimbo vs. Roy

  • West3613 says:

    The fight definetly should have gone to a 3rd round. Shivers there gotta a work on the cardio just a little!! Mcsweeney did not look great either. Kimbo vs. Nelson is gonna be nice though, very interested to see if Kimbo can hang with Fat boy OH I mean Nelson. I find myself cheering for Rashad’s team but i’m goin for Kimbo next week.

  • Lex415 says:

    Im glad everyone else felt it should have gone a third round at least. Whew. Thought i’d be alone there. This fight was ok, but im hoping next week will be fireworks!

  • muaythai4life says:

    Dana was asked why he didn’t include heavyweights on TUF since Rashad’s season and he commented something to the affect that it’s really hard to find that many big guys that put on good fights. He pretty much said HW’s gas out and they make for bad TV, and he was right!

    I can’t believe the judges gave McSweeney R1. I can barely believe he got R2 but I could see the Guillotine winning that one for him, although supposedly they are suppose to break down the rounds into 5 1-minute periods on their score card. Shivers had a take-down, transitioned to mount, took his back. I mean he wasn’t smooth, he was simply massive, but he did work on the ground and was more effective there than McSweeney was standing. I can’t believe they gave him both rounds on two of the judges cards… That was crap.

    I also think Kimbo is going to get smoked. Rampage picked the biggest guys he could. Those that don’t gas out have no wrestling skills to speak of. Maybe it’s the embarrassing season of TUF that made Rampage retire and not Dana? lol.

  • JENKINS! says:

    Alright here we go gents, (just popped my knuckles)

    Tonights fight should definitely have gone to a 3rd round. It was a very close fight. Both guys didnt really show a great skill set. When the ref said the bout was over and that they had a decision, I immediately assumed Shivers won that fight. When they said McSweeney won, I was shocked.

    Now before i get into why Shivers should have won….lets think about the judging criteria…
    -Clean Strikes
    -Effective Grappling
    -Octagon Control
    -Effective Aggressiveness

    Reasons as to why the decision was bs IMO:
    - Shivers had…three takedowns I think? (Effective Grappling)
    - McSweeney had 0 takedowns (although he had one reversal after Shivers mounted him and took his back)
    - Shivers showed a great amount of control when on the ground AND when he pushed McSweeney up against the fence during the 1st round (Effective Grappling and Octagon Control)
    - Neither guy landed very clean strikes, however McSweeney did land quite a few more shots than Shivers did
    - Shivers still landed some good strikes, and a couple of kicks
    - Now the big factor I think was Effective Aggressiveness, McSweeney was more aggressive in the 2nd round, but even though he was aggressive, at times he was very lazy, as was Shivers. When Shivers would put his hands down and just rest during the 2nd round, McSweeney stood there for a while and rested instead of engaging (which is why Rashad was going absolutely insane, he was yelling so loud his voice squeaked to the pitch of a 1st grader)
    - Did McSweeney really do enough to overcome the 3 takedowns and the ground control Shivers showed? Not-IMO

    Effective Grappling – Shivers
    Clean Strikes – McSweeney
    Octagon Control – Shivers
    Aggression – Slight advantage to McSweeney
    Takedowns – Shivers
    Strikes on the ground – Shivers

    I rest my case.

    As for the Kimbo-Nelson fight. It should be great. I honestly think Kimbo can win this one. I think Nelson is going to come into that fight WAY too overconfident. Kimbo has shown to be a very hard worker and a fast learner and I think his team is going to support him greatly in that fight. Nelson is one hell of a fighter, but I just dont think he has the mentality, physique, or cardio to defeat Kimbo. At this point in the show, I think Kimbo has more motivation than anyone…
    And just for the record…I have NEVER been a Kimbo fan until this show began…

  • jcohl says:

    Wow.
    Not sure what else to say.
    My thoughts:
    Oddly two men without the cardio needed to go for 10 minutes looking for a job with a promotion wherein the fights are 15 minutes, or 25.
    Sadly two men without the necessary skillsets to capitalize when they have an advantage isn’t a good way to impress a prospective employer.
    And two men, regardless of the cageside scoring, should have probably gone to a third round, although I agree with Jenkins that Shivers did enough to win the fight.

    I’ve been to dozens of small shows and I’ve seen men do less than Shivers did tonight and get the nod. Sort of makes me wonder exactly what they were watching at the scorer’s table, because clearly as the scores reflect it wasn’t the fight.

    Also, I have to wonder how the ratings for this season will be effected if Nelson beats Kimbo next week. The show has already taken a hit in terms of relevence with the Rampage situation, and if Kimbo loses to a guy that the average fan, and Rampage, are clueless about, I see this being a long dull season of gassing fighters and meaningless smack talk between Rashad and BA Baracus 2.0…
    ;)

    • BuzzBradski says:

      That’s very true, with regards to the relevance of this season. I usually hit the sack at 10pm, and the only reason I’ve been staying up late on Wednesdays lately is to watch the Kimbo show. Without Kimbo, I’m pretty sure I’ll be in dreamland before two out of shape amateur-ish fighters step into the octagon.

      It’s not that I’m a huge fan of Kimbo, it’s just that he’s the only one on the show with a storyline/background that peaks my interests, and the fights, so far, do not make up for the lack of personalities. Specially last night. That was just hard to watch. Moreover, the decision was wrong.

  • Well I wanted to go on and on about that B.S. judging but it seems Jenkins beat me to the punch with that excellent fight breakdown. Nice dude, couldn’t agree with you more point for point.

    Jcohl me and my brother both said that if Kimbo loses were not going to be tuning in to this season much anymore unless we hear there was an amazing fight or someone shows anything resembling a top tier skillset. So far I’m loath to even call it a backyard skillset with what we’ve been treated to so far this season.

    LETS GO KIMBO LETS GO!
    (Some twisted lil part of me always wanted to post that and not be ridiculed for it. My how the times and attitudes have changed)

    • jcohl says:

      I agree.
      Who’da thunk a few months ago that I’d actually be pulling for a guy I used to call the HW Truckstop and Trailer Park champion over men who have more “legitimate” athletic credentials?
      ;)

  • Taff says:

    It might seem like a stupid question to you guys but was just wondering why it did nt go to the 3rd round, i ve only seen TUF season 1,2 and 3 and they were all 3 round fights regardless of who was winning the previous rounds. I ve been following the UFC for about 2 years now and i think it is a most excellent sport and orgnisation but obviously there s alot of stuff that i need bringing up to scratch on.

    • timcat says:

      2 round fights are cosidered exhibition contests, where if they were scheduled for 3 rounds they would have to post the results with the commission and everyone would know who won before it airs. These fights do not count on their record.

      • BuzzBradski says:

        The only time you’ll see a 3 rounder on this show is when each fighter wins one of the first two rounds, which is what a lot of people here thought happened last night.

  • rbl says:

    I thought it was a good decision, one takedown without any real submission attempts or ground and pound isn’t enough to win a round, especially if you gas immediately afterwards. McSweeny landed strikes and was never in any real danger on the ground.

  • timcat says:

    noxt week is gonna be huge. I agree with Justin, I am starting to gain a new respect for Kimbo. I hope he ko’s Nelson.

  • Taff says:

    Cheers for that info Timcat

  • EtherBunny says:

    Before TUF I really didn’t care too much for Kimbo, I didn’t hate him or anything because he wasn’t the one hyping himself up as the greatest fighter and blah blah blah, I just didn’t see what was so special and didn’t think that he had it in him to be a true MMArtist. Once he got on TUF I changed my opinion of him becasue it showed that he was willing to take the hard route to the UFC/ fame and not take the easy route (which would have been signing a huge contract for some promotion in Japan). With that being said, I hope he KTFO’s ‘Big Country’. Seriously, his head is as big as his gut. Now I don’t want to go off on a rant here but if I have to hear one more of his delusion of grandeur I might flip. “Two masters are coming together”, seriously? “Roy Nelson vs Kimbo Slice would be a headliner anywhere”, yeah but not because of your name. I hope and pray that Kimbo wins and Roy Nelson is humbled just a little bit and stopps running his mouth. That’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.

    • Justin says:

      Yeah, I was like “WTH?!” when Roy started talking about “Two masters.” His last fight was a KO loss to Arlovski, and if Roy were to win the show, he would get the prize for “biggest belly in the UFC since Tank Abbot”.

      I’m glad that Rashad’s assistant called him out and was like “Look, you just got knocked out by Arlovski, if you don’t want to get knocked out again, you should listen to us.”

      • Justin says:

        Sorry, that wasn’t his last fight, his last fight was a bogus decision loss to Jeff Monson.

      • fr702 says:

        Bogus I tells ya, I remeber watching that wonderful fight card Justin, that night was filled with crazy bad decisions both in the boxing area and MMA, just an awful night from the judges honestly

      • jcohl says:

        “Two masters…”
        I know we’re not supposed to fighter-bash here, but sometimes something unkind needs to be said, or posted.

        If you look over the list of names that Nelson’s beat and lost to, under NO reasonable circumstance can Roy Nelson be referred to as a “master”.
        Also, if you look back at some of Nelson’s fights, you don’t see a man who has rolled at Abu Dhabi, or was somehow awarded a blackbelt in BJJ by Renzo Gracie. This morning I was re-watching some of Nelson’s fights, and he sort of fights like he looks, sloppily, throwing big punches and leading with either his chin or his ample midsection.
        Specifically, against men like Brad Imes and Bryan Vitell, Nelson’s hands never get any higher than his “pecs”, and I’m being kind as describing them as such.
        Considering his training, and contrasting them with his performances, you almost see 2 different fighters, which is fairly disturbing if you’re Dana White and Nelson has come calling for work.
        White has to think, “if I sign this guy to a fight, will I see a Lion’s Den-trained striker and a Gracie BJJ blackbelt, or am I going to get someone who looks and more importantly fights like the toughest farmboy at the tractor pull?”

        And please, those trying to make a case for Nelson being something special, spare me the story of how Nelson outpointed Frank Mir back at Grapplers Quest SIX YEARS AGO.
        Re-watch their match and you’ll see that Nelson didn’t out-grapple Mir, he simply outlasted him because back in ‘03 Mir had sh!t-awful cardio, and Nelson had yet to develop a cheesesteak addiction.
        ;)
        If Nelson stepped into the cage with Mir today, he’d be fortunate to last 10 minutes, and we all know it.

        Finally, if the UFC considered Roy Nelson anywhere near the masters level, they wouldn’t be hyping Ben Rothwell as the “IFL’s top HW” in his upcoming match with Cain Velasquez.
        Personally I find that pretty disrespectful, considering as how Nelson was the IFL champion, but it goes to show how little regard the UFC has for “Big Country”…

      • fr702 says:

        Well Ben was suppose to fight for the IFL championship but then a contract dispute happend and well Roy Nelson (whom Rothwell had already defeated) got the shot to be da Champion… In my opinion and many others Ben Rothwell was the “legit” HW of the IFL and yes Roy is a good fighter making his way to the UFC, but when the UFC states IFL’s best HW I honestly believe that to be true…

        Rothwell is 30~6~0 with 17 (t)ko’s, 11 subs and only 2 decisions, and he has lost 3 times via (t)ko, once via sub and by 2 decisions…

        Rothwell went 9~0 in the IFL and Roy went 6~1 his lone loss coming from Ben Rothwell

        Little funny NOTE is that both Kevin Ferguson and Roy Nelson beat Bo Cantrell for their first professional MMA victory

    • bruceleroy says:

      I think this sums up a lot of people’s feelings (myself included)regarding Kimbo perfectly. Hard to believe he is now one of the most respected members of this season (I’m looking at you Rashad and Rampage).

  • MMAFan says:

    All the adds for this episode showed Rampage throwing a temper tantrum and tearing a door apart. I wanted to see what the crybaby’s deal was, it was my only reason for watching last night. Guess Dana decided to re-edit the episode to tone down the Rampage vs. Evans hype since Rampage backed out?

  • DigYourOwnHole says:

    That fight was horrible. Again, I will point out Jackson’s “corner” gave very little to no useful advice. I did hear them telling Shivers to jab which was what I was yelling at the TV, but aside from that, all their yelling was worthless stuff like, “finish it” or “Come on Wes”. Meanwhile Rashad’s corner is yelling out stuff like “Watch for the right,” “Stand up,” and “grab his elbow”.

    I feel bad for Kimbo in this upcomming fight. He has a loosing corner and if memory serves me, he does listen to his corner. If I had to explain to someone outside the sport, I would say 30% of an average fight can be changed by a corner.

    I think Team Rashad made this match up for several reasons. I think even after their talk, they want to get rid of Roy. They have wanted to get rid of Kimbo from the start. This is win/win for them.

    I would like to hear some predictions…

    Although I am pulling for Kimbo, I think its a stacked deck. Roy is no joke. He lost via UD to both Ben Rothwell and Jeff Monson. He was KO’s by Arlovski. To lose to those guys is respectable. He doesnt have any big wins, but several lesser wins. Kimbo on the other hand lost to Seth Petruzelli and has no notable wins.

    Im going to go with UD Roy Nelson in the 2nd and there will be some point where we will all wonder why Roy didnt submit Kimbo.

    • BuzzBradski says:

      Good post Dig,
      I noticed the same thing while listening to the cornermen last night. I really think the ability to verbalize strategy is a huge component for a fight team. “Watch for ____”, “Find his Wrist”, “Two hands on one” are all great things to be hearing from your corner. But imagine standing there in the ring, exhausted, wondering how the hell you’re going to pull out a victory and all you hear from you’re corner is “C’mon” “C’mon!”. Honestly, I’d rather hear nothing if that is they best they can do.

      My prediction for Kimbo/Nelson, is a KO for Kimbo in the first 3 minutes. Nelson is far too confident and Kimbo is far too determined. That’s a bad mix for a guy that got KO’d by Arlovski.

  • MMAFan says:

    You are dead on Digyourownhole. Totally a win win for them no matter who wins. And I agree about Rampage’s inability to run a corner. Even if he thought well enough on his feet to offer good advice, he doesn’t verbalize it well enough for the fighter to follow the instructions. And if the fight goes past three minutes, that will make a difference.
    Unfortunately I don’t think the fight will go that long. I’m not impressed with Nelson’s chin from what I have seen from him and I think Slice will have the power to rock him early.

    Slice by KO in the first two minutes.

    • EtherBunny says:

      1) I think Rampage’s ability (or actually lack of) to run a corner is because Rampage is on TUF for one reason, Rampage. I don’t think he is there for the fighters and to help them and coach them and be their mentor. I think he is there so he can get some TV time and exposure. It’s sad but I’m starting to think that it’s true. I hope I’m wrong and I very well could be, but that’s the vibe that I’m getting.

      2) Both Roy and Kimbo have a suspect chin but I think Kimbo’s is a bit weaker since he got KO’d by a jab from the Silverback while he was moving backwards. On the other hand, I think Kimbo has a good amount of power in his hands. I think that this fight will be a toss up but I’m going to throw my hat in for Kimbo.

      • jcohl says:

        I think you’re sort of on the right track here, ether.
        Rampage seems, and again I say seems, to be more into TUF for the publicity than he is for any legitimate desire to coach MMA to UFC hopefuls and wannabes.
        The same was said about Tito Ortiz, but in his defense he did work hard with his team, and they did show improvement, and guys like Kendall Grove, Matt Hamill and Michael Bisping have done fairly well for themselves since TUF.
        Not to mention Ortiz actually won his TUF, something it appears that Rampage will fail to do, again.
        ;)

        Personally I like Rampage Jackson.
        I feel that he’s always delivered, win or lose, when he fights, is always entertaining, and gets the utmost out of a somewhat limited [in terms of technical training] skillset.
        I just think that coaching isn’t his thing, ESPECIALLY against someone like Rashad Evans, who comes from a tradition of athletic coaching starting at Michigan State and currently with Greg Jackson.
        Maybe Rampage will turn this around and make the season competative, and hopefully starting with Kimbo Slice knocking some common sense and humility in Roy “Big Ego” Nelson…

  • Dirty says:

    Roy can hang with some of the best in the world and i just don’t see Kimbo being able to pull this one off unless he catches him on the feet. Once Roy takes him down, Kimbo’s gonna be in trouble. If Thompson had him stuck on the ground, Roy is gonna hurt him. Hopefully all the sweeps and escapes they’ve been working will pay off for Kimbo and he can keep it standing.

  • Kimbo vs Roy Fosters/Bud-Light/Coors-Light/Heineken/Budweiser/Corona/Smirnoff/Long Island Ice Tea/Jose Cuervo/Tequila Casadores Nelson next week!!

    “the difference between me and the other guys is that i’m a professional”, Nelson say that and he can’t check his ego at the door, that’s why he’s been dubbed “uncoachable” because he thinks he’s special and above the other guys, next week he’ll get “Kimbo’d” and he’ll be humbled like he should be.

    As for the fight, man i can’t believe how fast Wes got tired and the other guy who is Rashad’s first pick, the dude also needs some serious work all around because some other guy would have jumped all over the dude and finished him, the dude was super tired and Mcsweeny didn’t engage, he could have earned that bonus but he lacked the will to do so, but props on the win though.

    I think that Rampage is having a negative effect on his team being that the dude only cares about beating Evans and no about bettering his fighters. He needs to develop a training system that workd for all his guys because Evans is kicking his a$$ in the coaching department. Can’t wait for next week it’s gonna be super entertaining

  • Bill says:

    Definitely agree that Shivers should have won that fight or at least should have gone to a third round. I think Rashad picked Roy cuz he definitely wants to bring down Big Country’s high on himself and picked Kimbo cuz he doesn’t respect him plus since Rampage went after Rashads first pick, I think Rashad is just returning the favor.

    From what we’ve seen from Kimbo so far it looks like he’s taking direction well and learning quickly. I think Kimbo is gonna use his speed and wait till Roy gases out a little before he knocks him out. I would love to see Kimbo shut this guy up but you can’t overlook experience so it should be interesting. Im picking Kimbo next week with a KO in Round 2.

  • I think Rashad making Roy fight is just somewhat letting him know that he is just another guy on the team, nobody cares about your IFL days and your IFL title. I think that Nelson has been greatly humbled and that for some crazy reason he was expecting special treatment and an easy road to the contract but i feel just being there and having guys like Evans and his assistant coaches, that has brought Nelson back to earth and made him realize that he is not as cool as he thought.

    Next weeks fight will be super huge i think, two very known names on TUF, it’s almost as if were watchng a “comebacke” show but i’m rooting for Kimbo to put a hurtin on Nelson, although i honestly feel that Nelson will take the fight to the ground and try to win there which he most likely will but if it stays standing Kimbo will score a ko or ref stoppage.

    Rampage needs to let his other coaches take over because the guys on his team are not learning nor benefitting from him at all and that;s why his first two guys kinda were lost in their fights and didn’t know what to do due to a lack of proper coaching and proper corner-men instructions, i don’t like Evans at all and never will but a least the dude is giving it a decent shot at coaching.

  • DigYourOwnHole says:

    Rampage his little education (I think he was a CC dropout) while Rashad has a degree (not sure if its BA or BS) in Psychology from Michigan. I think Rashad just has a better toolbox to coach.

    I kind of hope that even if Kimbo does lose, they might give him another opportunity to prove himself. This deck is stacked against him in my opinion.

    • MMAFan says:

      Kimbo is popular and well known enough that we’ll see him again win or lose unless he puts in a really horrible showing. He is in a tough spot because his fame preceeded his MMA development. If you think of him as a rookie fighter, which in terms of MMA he is, then he has tons of tools to develop with. From the snippets in this week’s show it looks like he it working hard and improving the areas that he is weak in, even with a piss poor coach like Jackson. Even with a loss next week, give him a couple undercard fights to develop his ground game and he could move up the ranks quite well.

  • bruceleroy says:

    Did anyone notice that Wes tried to get a kimura when he had Mcsweeny on the mat? It only lasted a second, and I wasn’t sure if it was intentional or not. But I remember thinking, holy crap, this 280lb beast is gonna get a sub!

  • MMAFan says:

    I don’t think he was going for a kimura, I think he was just pinning his arm down to open up some room for punches. Hard to tell what is in a fighter’s head sometimes though.

    • DigYourOwnHole says:

      Looked like a Kimura to me. You might be thinking of another time when he was just pinning his arm down. He had position on it twice but once he actually tried to lock it up.

      I thought he was gonna get that kimura also, I should have rewound it and watched it closer. I was just disgusted with the fight overall and didnt feel like seeing what I might have missed the first time.

      • MMAFan says:

        Could be. Was such a boring fight after the first 2 min that I wasn’t paying that close of attention.

  • oldman420 says:

    Could nobody in Rashads corner see that Wes was the perfect sucker for a head kick KO. Every time Mcsweeny threw a feign and switched his feet to throw a leg kick wes would reach down. I would have told him to do the same thing twice to the leg then on the third go high. Guarenteed it would have worked.

    Too bad these guys didn’t come in shape to the show. Just goes to show you that even a pro football player like wes shivers doesn’t have the cardio to go into deep waters like mma fighter do pretty much every match. Just really makes you appreciate what kind of athletes mma fighters are.

    • bruceleroy says:

      I thought I heard someone on Rashad’s team yelling to Wes about head kicks. You’re right though, he was wide open for that. Although I’m sure a guy that is 6′7 doesn’t face head kicks very often…

  • micjasbro says:

    I don’t think Kimbo will win, but you will definitely see him on the finale.

    • fr702 says:

      O forsure he is going to be on the Finale, no doubt in my mind, now is he going to be offered more fights in the UFC after the finale is the question I believe… I’m assuming ofcourse that Kevin Ferguson doesn’t make it to the TUF “title” fight

      • micjasbro says:

        It will be the most watched finale, then he’ll move on to do huge numbers for the PPVs. win or lose people will tune in to see how he does.

      • DigYourOwnHole says:

        I guess I kind of hope you are rightbut I dont agree. It would make good TV if he did and it would be good for the sport so I will enjoy eating my words if you are right.

        Im still going with Roy the mullet boy by UD.

        I wonder which side of the fence Dana fell on? Does he now like Kimbo because he is on his show, making him money or does he still clown him and think Kimbo needs to prove himself?

    • MMAFan says:

      I could see Slice becoming a modern day Tank Abbott. Pure brawler that will test anyone and be a gatekeeper in the heavyweight division.

      • bruceleroy says:

        If he picked the right camp and picked up some wrestling skills and takedown defense (like his coaches on TUF are trying to do now) I could see him doing even better. I don’t see him ever getting a black belt in BJJ, but if he could learn to properly defend against it he would do alright. How scary would it be though if he learned some wrestling and GnP skills? KO power and ability to take you and beat you down on the mat would make a nice future for him, and he seems like he’s willing to learn the new skills necessary (which is why he is know getting some respect from many mma fans) to do this.

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