Quick Hits: Anderson Silva Wants to Fight Frank Mir at Heavyweight, GSP Returns in January, Two UFC 103 Prelims Set For Spike TV, and More
Posted by Kris Karkoski on Aug 22, 2009 at 1:50 pm ET71 Comments
Spike TV announced on Friday that it will air Efrain Escudero vs. Cole Miller and Drew McFedries vs. Tomasz Drwal from the UFC 103 undercard during a live, one-hour, commercial-free broadcast beginning at 9pm ET on September 19 leading up to the UFC 103 pay-per-view.- Weigh-ins for WEC 43: Cerrone vs. Henderson will take place on Tuesday, September 1 at the Covelli Center in Youngstown, Ohio. The Versus-televised event, headlined by an interim lightweight title bout between Donald Cerrone and Ben Henderson, takes place on Wednesday, September 2 at the venue.
- Light heavyweight prospect Jon “Bones” Jones has begun training permanently at Team Jackson in Albuquerque, New Mexico, headed by top trainer Greg Jackson, a team that also includes Georges St-Pierre, Nate Marquart, and fellow 205-pounders Rashad Evans and Keith Jardine. [MMA Weekly]
- Frank Shamrock plans to return to action at a December Strikeforce event, though an opponent has not yet been determined for the fight. [MMA Weekly]
- Frank Fertitta Jr., the father of UFC owners Frank Fertitta III and Lorenzo Fertitta, passed away on Friday at the age of 71 following heart surgery. [Las Vegas Sun]
- “Countdown to UFC 102,” to official preview show for UFC 102: Couture vs. Nogueira, debuts on Thursday, August 27, on Spike TV at 11pm ET.
- UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva, fresh off his first-round knockout of Forrest Griffin at light heavyweight earlier this month, has approached the UFC about fighting at heavyweight, with Frank Mir on his list of preferred opponents. The UFC is said to be receptive of the idea. [SI.com]
- Undefeated middleweight prospect Zak Cummings will replace an injured Evangelista “Cyborg” Santos and take on Tim Kennedy in the main event of a September 25 Strikeforce Challengers card on Showtime.
- UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre is still recovering from a groin injury suffered in a July title defense over Thiago Alves and is likely to return to action in January, likely at UFC 108 on January 2 against Mike Swick or Martin Kampmann, pending the outcome of their fight next month at UFC 103. [Fanhouse]
- TUF 7 castmember Paul Bradley has signed with Strikeforce and will make his debut for the promotion in September. [MMAjunkie]
- Kenny Florian will fill in for Joe Rogan as color commentator at UFC Fight Night 19 on September 16 in Oklahoma City. The event is headlined by Nate Diaz vs. Melvin Guillar and Roger Huerta vs. Gray Maynard and airs live on Spike TV. [MMA Weekly]
- Houston Alexander vs. Sherman Pendergarst and Chad Reiner vs. Forrest Petz have been booked for Adrenaline MMA IV on September 18 at the Mid-America Center near Omaha, Nebraska, in Coucil Bluffs, Iowa. [MMAjunkie]
- In addition to approving instant replay, the Nevada State Athletic Commission has created the “BJ Penn rule,” which makes the application of foreign substances to a fighter’s body, commonly known as “greasing,” a foul and also approved five-round non-title fights.
Pictured: Anderson Silva
Tags: Anderson Silva, Chad Reiner, Cole Miller, Drew McFedries, Efrain Escudero, Forrest Petz, Frank Fertitta, Frank Mir, Georges St. Pierre, Houston Alexander, Joe Rogan, Jon jones, Kenny Florian, Lorenzo Fertitta, paul bradley, Sherman Pendergarst, Tomasz Drwal
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Anderson Silva needs to defend his belt or give it up if he wants to fight at 205 or Heavyweight, no fighter is that cool to the point where they are above the belt and above defemding the title, i think Silva has gotten so caught up in his own hype that he’s forgotten what it feels like to be hungry up-incoming contender who wants a shot at the title, he got his shot, now give the next guy his fair shot Anderson, you are not that cool, not even Liddell in his prime got full of himself to the point where he didn’t want to defend the title which is the duty of a champion period.
As for SIlva wanting Frank Mir, he’ll get his arm or knee broken. Frank Mir is now in great shape and tool punishment from biga$$ Brock Lesnar, i’m sure whatever Silva has to offer, Frank Mir will easily take him dow, over power him and apply a sub.
RIP Frank Fertitta Jr.
Awesome news that GSP is returning in January to either beat down Swick or Kampmann, now there is a true champion right there.
I love that Spike will be airing those pre-lims for free, awesome can’t wait.
I hope Henderson puts a hurtn’ on Cerrone, Cerrone reminds me of Keith Jardine, he thinks he’s waaayy better than what he actually is, Jamie Varner will beat you down again Cowboy, but too bad for you Henderson will do it first.
I’ve always been a Houston Alexander supporter win or lose because the guy has a big heart and he signed and autograph for me after beating don Jardine, it doesn’t get better than that.
Jon Jones training with Greg Jackson will only make him better, top notch training partners such as Nate Mardquart, GSP, etc…(not including Jardine or Evans)…
got to go you all have a great weekend my friends, catch you all monday on the early am….MK4, your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man..
You got to be one of the biggest **** blocking haters on this site man. Why are always talking **** about Silva? Do you fight? If not you should just shut the f*** up and try to write a comment that’s more intelligent
well that is you opinion I’ve cleaned up your comment a bit to allow Marvel to respond, just for the knowledge of everyone here, PERSONAL ATTACKS are NOT welcome here @ the FrenZy
edit~FR702
Nelson,
dude….WTF???,
not that it’s any of your business, but i am a Silva fan, have been since his days in PRIDE. It’s simple man, i’m a big fan of the sport and want to see each title defended, i don’t like when guys begin to think that they are above the sport, and i feel that Silva flirts with that sometimes. YES he has cleaned out the division and bravo for that, that’s awesome for him, BUT if he doesn’t want to fight at 185 anymore, which it seems like he does not, THEN he should give up his belt and have the other 185-ers fight for it rather than to have to wait till Silva “FEELS LIKE DEFENDING IT”, he should just give the belt up, i just don’t think it’s fair to the other guys at 185 to have to wait to get their shot at the title while SIlva makes up his mind as to what division he wants to compete at. I’m sure if were a fighter who has worked his way up like Demian Maia, i’m sure if you were someone like him who is sooo deserving of a shot months agao, you would see my point of view.
As for you saying “Do you fight?”, i’ll have you know that i do train in Karate and Muay Thai, but that’s none of of your concern, when i speak here i speak as a fan of MMA, and as for me “always talking $hit”, maybe you should look at the archives of this site and research everything i have posted on because you will find that i have my opinion like everyone else here, and you would also realize that when i am wrong about something or when i “cross the line” , i am the first to own up to it and when i do “talk $hit” i immediately apologize to the staff here, soooo you are intitled to what you want to think of me, but i would say this, before you assume $hit about me and my $hit talking, don’t forget that this site allows people to voice their opinions which everyone does and if uyou disagree which you clearly do, well then we can discuss things as adults in a mature manner which you obviously need work on.
–fr702, dude thanks for allowing me to respond dude, CHEERS all and
-Nelson, dude you should become a memeber, it’s sounds like you have a lot on your mind, i’ll request you as a friend and we can squash this “beef” buddy. Have a good one,
MK4, MMA FRENZY’S friendly neighborhood spiderman
Silva didn’t claim he was bigger then the sport he just wants a challenge …He knows his next fight is at Middle Weight and so does everyone else. I for one am a big supporter of good fights and nothing in my mind would be more interesting then a fanastic striker moving to Heavy weight for some fun “can someone say Crocop” and I’m sure the UFC see’s this as a problem solved as well like “yes Silva has a few marketable fights at light heavy like Rampage and Machida “which sparkes peoples interest but think about Couture/Crocop/Dos Santos/Velaquez/Carwin/Lesnar/Mir way more Marketable fights at Heavy Weight and the P4P question could be answered if he steps in with Fedor as well. Silva just wants to see if his speed/skill can match the Heavy Weights Power/Strenght. It is a interesting question none the less
frank mir will get destroyed buy silva.
so anderson silva knocked out another clone of anderson silva at ufc 101?
Thats how badass he is man
fixed
Thanks for the heads up and for the fix.
HAHAHAHA that is crazy that Anderson wants to fight at heavywieght. Honestly and scary enough i think he could do it. Im scared to go against him.
Hmmm.
Apparently Anderson Silva is willing to fight anyone, at any weight, except for someone in his own division, like say Demian Maia, in defense of his MW title.
Not quite sure what to make of that, other than maybe Silva is drinking a bit too much of his own kool-aid. Maybe the UFC is “receptive” because they feel the Spider needs a HW reality check?
He11, if thats the case, throw his a$$ in with Lesnar and see how he likes spending 6 weeks in traction.
As for him going in with Frank Mir, all I can say is best of luck with that. If Mir comes into the fight in shape, Silva is going to get a lesson in BJJ like he hasn’t seen before in the UFC.
Also, there is a difference at having KO power at 185 or 205, and having the power to stun or even KO a HW. If memory serves, Mir weighed in at 245 for his fight with Lesnar, and that was a solid 245. Rumor has it that Silva’s walkaround number is maybe 220-225, and even if he firms it up to a tight 225, he’s going to give up 20 pounds or so to a guy with a FAR superior ground game.
And I’m assuming here that Mir is smart enough not to repeat Griffin’s mistakes and just walk right up to Silva in the cage and say, “thank you Sir, may I have another?”
Not the smartest move for Silva IMO, but hey, I didn’t think he could beat Forrest Griffin in 90 seconds either, so, y’know…
In other news…
- Jon Jones training with Greg Jackson is like a young talented new superhero getting to train with Batman. By this time next year, Jones may be blowing up Joe Silva’s voicemail asking for his opportunity…
- My condolences go out to the Fertita family at this sad time. We’ve all had deaths in the family, and they are never easy to deal with.
- NSAC is down with 5 round non-title fights?
I’m still not sure what to think of that.
What say the collective?
- “Frank Shamrock plans to return to action”…
Why bother? Little Sham threw away the Strikeforce 185 belt by half-a$$ing it against his boy Cung Le, and in the process screwed the fans, the rest of the 185 division, and the promotion by saddling them with a wannabe chop socky movie star instead of a fighting champion. If you’re not professionally fighting to be the best, then whats the damned point of fighting at all??
Smooth move, Ex-Lax…
- Is there a reason why the Littlest Ronin is subbing for Joe Rogan at UFN 19? Does Rogan have another “happy shiny jihad” to perform in Vegas or something?
Definition of classic: Mike Goldberg dropping in with, “Kenny, did you really just say that sh!t?”, after Florian delivers a bit of color commentary during the event…
And finally…
GSP, take all the time you need to heal up. Its not like there is a 170er on the planet that can come close to lifting your belt if you come to the cage in shape and focused. Let Mandy Moore work overtime with the massage oil, and come back when you’re ready to break a light sweat against either Swick or Kampmann, either of which will need to be bitten by a radioactive spider before the fight to have a chance at beating GSP [thats for my boy MK4]…
How bout Maia beats Nate then we will talk, you are acting like Anderson doesn’t want to fight or something, he has clearly ran through the MW division and if he wants to fight Mir than so be it.. People dislike dominance and wish for the dominant to fail just so someone can say told you so or I knew it… Same reason why people are all anti Penn, they wanted Kenny to win soooo bad and yet Penn again showed his dominance and now these same people are saying how Sanchez is going to roll through Penn just sooo when one day Penn loses they can pat themselves on the back cuz they were right..
O and Anderson trains with some pretty good BJJ blackbelts o and he is one himself oooo’sss nooo”’sss, and every fight starts on the feet.. I like how the guy has won 11 in a row (10 in the UFC) dominated everyone put in front of him (Hendo took him down and so did Lutter but who ended up tapping?) and people have to find something to shoot him down on, I remember when people use to appreciate fights and fighters and not be sooo upset by success, it just baffles me
Jon Jones with Jackson well that is cool, Jackson taking another top talent and well just conditioning him i guess you could put it that way..
Sad for the Ferttita family absolutly
Kenny Florini is subbing for Rogan due to the fact that Joe is filming a movie
This isn’t an attack towards you its just me venting I believe cheers my friend
Agreed on all points FR.
As for Anderson fighting at hw… I think he may be trying to make up for poor performances. I think its a good move. Certainly sparks interest as to what will happen. There’s no other real challenges for him at the other classes.
The bad news…the heavies are gonna have their work cut out for them. And before any of you smart guys chime in… it wasn’t so long ago when size didn’t matter and there wasn’t a weight class. Just ask the Gracies.
Looking forward to him dominating another weight class.
I totally agree with you FR. Why do people want to criticize Anderson for trying out new challenges? Trustme I love Maia as a fighter but just like u mentioned “the fight does start on the feet”. That can lead to being a very huge obstacle for him. I like and respect the idea of Silva testing the waters against Mir. He’s not too small nor is he too big. I think hes a little bit above the average size heavyweight. His stand up is fair, and his ground game is very good. I understand this. If he ko’s Mir then maybe he can move on to the Big Silver Back himself or even potentially set up a match with Fedor down the road.. Or if he wins by decision and doesnt cause too much damage(like his idol Roy Jones did during his brief venture up to heavyweight), he can pat himself on the back and just move back down. I understand and I have much respect for what Silva is doing. Lets stop knocking a true aspiring legend and lets just sit back and enjoy history in the making! We may not ever see it again.
I think if everyone became a fan of any one specific fighter soley based on their skill level in the cage then EVERYONE hands down would be huge Silva and Penn fans. Too bad a little thing called individuality intervenes there and people all have their own personal opinion. And for myself and others some of our opinions are also based on how a fighter conducts himself prefight, in interviews and after beating their opposition.
Both men you bring up FR702 have displayed since early on in their career certain characteristics that I’ve never been fond of. Both of those guys have rubbed me the wrong way just enough for me to never really be a fan of them. Doesn’t mean I’m a hater or that I’m oblivious to their miraculous skill, just means I’m not likely to be rooting or cheering for them at any point ever. Historically when a fighter gets so full of himself that he starts to take on this “unbeatable” persona, he ends up getting beaten,and usually beaten bad. Maybe Silva is that once in a lifetime exception, and we’ll never see the likes of him again. Meanwhile I’ll be a detractor waiting fight by fight for a loss to happen, not for the “I told you so” factor or hoping I get to give myself a warm fuzzy pat on the back…but because I simply don’t like Silva, and I’m allowed to not like the guy, his phenomenal skills don’t preclude me from doing so.
Natural,
By all means if you aren’t a fan of lets say Penn or Silva good on ya for that… I don’t believe that everyone HAS to like a specific fighter because they are good, or are a champion, I do understand that are all individuals and have the opportunity to form our own specific opinions (I’m not a tard ya know)
I’m just tired of seeing all over the webbie that people just want to disagree or say something harsh just to start some sort of argument on certain sites, it becomes a pain in the arse to read all this bs… I’ve have awesome debates over Penn and Silva or GSP aka The Greatness, I’ve stood behind Lesnar and disliked him as well, my thing I guess is that what people have tried to do is the worst form of trolling out there, I remember when trolls had skill and put forth an effort…
Anyways yes you have the right (clearly) to like or dislike anyfighter outthere, we all do, but Natural I know that you are capable of reconizing how skilled Penn and Anderson Silva are no matter if you like them or not.. I don’t like KOS but I do know that the kid is talented
*disclaimer, I by no means am callin Jcohl a troll (helll he is furthest thing from it) I respect his thought process and his comments*
Cool, cool. Mainly trying to distinguish myself from certain others who saw some of these champions rise to their full potential and then started mashing them.
There’s a difference between respect (which I give to any man who locks them self in a cage and fights for a living) and personal like. Anderson Silva seems to be actively pursuing only the hardest competition he can find (his unwillingness to fight Machida notwithstanding) and hes mainly doing it I think to make up for his last two MW opponents fear of engaging him, which was in no way his fault. So my respect for him grows as does my sweating in a good bashing at his expense. Paradoxical as it sounds its true and if he fights a guy who I think can beat him (there’s only a couple now after what he did to Forrest) I’ll call it, watch it and either eat some more crow or get my gloat on. If he loses to a MW I won’t have much to gloat on cuz I’ll be banking on Silva as the logical choice.
My hats off to the man for exploring deeper challenges and Ill tell ya what, if Demian Maia discovers he cant take Silva down and has no plan B, and if he runs around the cage or trys to pull guard by flopping on his back, he’s going to stall the MW division even more because Im sure Silva will redouble his efforts at higher weightclasses since his weightclass isnt even allowing him to perform in good fights.
You mean “Fedorism”.. thats what you’re referring to FR
And since weight was mentioned… Yes Anderson as I understand walks at 220ish. So to say he couldn’t handle himself is absurd. Couture fights at 225.
Weight and strength aren’t everything.
If this happens he will dominate. Now that I think about it…
This allows Machida to hold 205 and Anderson to hold 2 belts…Hmmm
Not a chance. You’re actually going to tell me that Anderson Silva could out-muscle and out-wrestle a Heavyweight? Anyone who has any sense of gameplan (Lesnar, Mir, Couture, Carwin, etc…) will take him down and just absolutely grind him to a halt. Done deal. Standing, Silva has a great chance. But like I said, anyone worth his dough will take him right to the ground.
I never said “out muscle and out wrestle”. But, since you brought it up. “This isn’t checkers, It’s a chess.” And, I’ll admit I’ve wanted nothing more for him to have that bubble popped. But the fact of the matter is, right now anyway, there’s no one to beat him.
Also, have you noticed what has happened to every fighter that has come in with a “game plan”? He destroys them. Stand up, picks them apart. Ground, he submits. Do we need another “don’t under estimate Anderson Silva discussion?”
Its like me continuously arguing in favor of Bisping…sooner or later it just doesn’t make any sense.
id much rather see anderson-brock just for the fact that i like neither fighter and i would be ecstatic to see either one lose. however on the flipside i would have to hear either of the fighters supporters on here blast away on how great they are by beating the other guy. a lose-lose for me either way. i still want to see anderson-rampage, but oh well. and if anderson does use the mir fight as a springboard to a fedor fight, i called it a few weeks ago. not to mention i called the frank shamrock-fedor fight. with franky coming back its gaining steam.
“ON AUGUST 8, 2009 ANDERSON SILVA MADE FORREST GRIFFIN LOOK LIKE AN AMATEUR, AND ON AUGUST 8, 2009 GUNSLINGER MADE BIGCHRIS 2328 LOOK LIKE A CASUAL FAN ”
anderson silva reminds me of tito ortiz scared of chuck liddell saying he doesnt want to fight him cause they are friends when everyone knows scared if silva wants to fight the best machida is right there at lh but oh wait their friends sure make excuses silva
Just a curious observation… why is it a lot of people clamoring for a true ranking system to establish a real #1 contender also want Anderson to come and defend his title before one is actually established… I mean Hendo has beaten better fights but Maia is undefeated. Sure Hendo had a chance(and didn’t exactly get killed) and lost but Demian’s most notable victories are um Sonnen and Quarry. So let Demian FIRST get past a more seasoned and better striker in Marquardt before complaining about what Anderson wants to do in the mean time.
Now do I think Anderson would do well at Heavy? Tough to say, he’d be the most technical striker there and would cause problems for anyone and his BJJ would at least be able to net a lot of stalemates if he did get taken down. That said, I think he and Mir would be a good fight.
As for the rest. Sad new for the Fertitta’s my condolences to them.
I love the broadcasting of the undercard, that will make life awesome.
Just a few things I’d like to add here…
@ fr702 – no worries, my friend. I didn’t interpret your response as any sort of personal attack, and I definitely didn’t think you were lumping me in with the trolls. In fact, I tend to support your position that a lot of people like posting sh!t here without thinking it thru, or doing their research, just to get a rise out of the collective. I consider that bad form, and generally try to ignore people like that.
However if on a particular issue or fighter you have a different opinion than myself, then its all good in the frenZy-hood.
@ naturaldizaster – while I don’t consider myself an Anderson Silva support, nor a detractor, I am starting to think that he’s getting a little full of himself, which is definitely rubbing me the wrong way, but may be understandable considering his run in the UFC.
Yes, he’s had amazing showings, and some lackluster ones, but in total they’ve all been wins, most of the championship variety and for almost everyone winning is the bottom line.
@ bigchris2328, or Spider – I’m starting to think you might be right on this Fedor-Frank Shamrock thing. Look at it from Lil’Sham’s point of view for a sec for those of you who think this idea is way off-point. If someone is going to step in and play tomato can for Faux-dor to kick, and get hella paid for it, then why not him?
CLEARLY Shamrock’s love of the sport has dwindled, when you factor in his weak performance against Cung Le, and his sense of sportsmanship has always been spotty at best. Also, Shamrock is much more of a shoot-fighter than a true mixed martial artist, so at this point in his fading career what does it hurt for him to sign on as a MW for an a$$-kicking by the man almost everyone STILL considers the number one HW MMA fighter in the world??
And it certainly isn’t like Fedor and the rest of the cast of Eastern Promises over at M-1 Global have any problem throwing a beating to an aging MW if the price is right, so I’ll stay tuned for continuing developments out of the Strikeforce Alliance.
@ junior – just to be clarify, I wasn’t saying so much that Anderson Silva was “afraid” of Demian Maia, on a man-toman level, as I was saying that Silva’s reluctant to take on a far less famous fighter than himself who has a far superior ground game. Although my compadre fr702 is 100% right when he mentions that Silva rocks his own BJJ blackbelt, I’m less convinced that Silva’s skills will match up favorably at all against a mat master like Maia. If they do ever fight, and it does go to the ground for any prolonged period of time, it’ll be all over except for the tapping.
@ bzul3 – As it relates to Silva’s “legacy”, Forrest Griffin has a “name”, just as Frank Mir does. Maia, for all his skill, not so much in the fame game, even in MMA circles, unless you’re a hardcore enthusiast. If you figure that Silva has a handful of top flight appearances left in him, he’ll want to make them count, and count against the biggest names in our sport, of which Demian Maia is not yet one of.
I’d be fine with “sitting back and enjoying the Spider Show” as Silva’s adventuring thru the weight classes if he’d drop his MW title, and allow the hardworking contenders like Maia [and others] to pursue their own MMA championship destinies.
And its not “knocking a legend” when someone points out that the guy hasn’t defended his title in awhile, and clearly has no plans to do so in the near-future, it’s the truth.
And as for anyone that starts calling for Anderson Silva to get a shot at Brock Lesnar, all I’ll say is that if you really are a Silva supporter, the LAST thing you should want is a technical striker like Silva to be locked into the cage with a Neanderthal like Lesnar. Silva could and in all likelihood would get hurt, maybe badly, and that wouldn’t be a good thing for the UFC in particular and the sport in general…
I definately understand your points jcohl, and I would agree that its simply time for him to vacate his belt. I really dont see any point in him staying at MW (Although I must admit I am big fan of Franklin and Maia and it best serves their careers for him to just move up as well).
Totally agree.I have no problem with fighting in different weight classes,just not when they hold a belt.It’s not fair for the contenders to have to wait,or fight other contenders and risk a loss/injury and fall out of contention.If Anderson really wants to challenge in other weight classes he should give up the belt.I guess there’s also the issue of picking off contenders in the other weight classes as well,but then again it’s their choice to take the fight.
Mir is alright fighting someone, Anderson is fighting Henderson for the title next so how does Anderson have no intention of defending his title? As far as Maia goes its not Anderson who picks his fights I think your getting him confused with another Silva and his name is Joe “UFC match maker” ,I do think tho if Maia beats Marquardt he deserves next title shot over Henderson, but like I said if Maia gets past Marquardt. This is a real test for Maia and if he beats him with a finish I’ll be very inpressed.
I guess you’ve missed the many stories and quotes where he and his management say that Hendo doesn’t deserve another shot and he’d prefer not to do it – he’d now rather fight Frank Mir at HW.
Sure, the UFC can tell him who is up next but when you publically say that he doesn’t deserve it, you’re pissing in your boss’s face. Add to that, he can always find some way to delay the fight in hopes of Hendo losing and you have all the makings of not wanting to defend it.
Fighting is a business. Lobbying against a planned future opponent is the same as saying “I don’t want to fight him.” In th business world, that means one of two things: 1) It’s not worth my time, or 2) I’m afraid that won’t work out in my favor.
Is Hendo worth Silva’s time, or not?
I have to say I’m with Silva I think that Henderson isn’t the next inline for a Title shot which I believe Maia or Marquardt should be the next inline.. Henderson should be the one fighting Belfort{henderson at the time right now doesn’t deserve a shot and should fight Belfort for it} for the Next title shot after Silva’s next title defence. Henderson had a split decision over Franklin at 205.. Knockout of a Bisping who has done nothing at Middle weight but fight No bodies, his biggest win in my opinion was over Palhares which was a unanimous decision … Maia 5subs + win over Marquardt puts him over Henderson as number 1 contender …Marquardt won 3 of last 4 with wins over Horn / Kampmann / Gouveia / + a win over Maia puts him up at number 1 contender over Henderson ,and his only lose coming to Leites which he won 2 rounds out of the 3 round fight.{but 2 points off because of fouls}
Just a thought!! Spider Vs Leites was a bust, the last thing you want is spider vs Maia, hit me and I will lay there, Maialast 5 wins in ufc have been by sumission, spider knows he can knock him out, I think it would be spiderLeites2…If Nate beats Maia, yes its been 2 years since the first fight, Do you think Nate has a chance.??????
I’d bet the fight never happens because if Mir loses it would really lower his demand. Seems like a tough fight to agree on.
This fight is a big fight for Silva the Main Guy that everyone says can beat Silva is a…Big guy with very good ground skills and strenght enough to get the fight to the ground… I believe Silva just called out 1 of his biggest tests.
The issue isn’t whether Mir is a big test, it’s that ONCE AGAIN Silva won’t be defending his belt. IF he wants all these out of weight class challenges, he should give up the belt and take these other fights. I don’t think he should be able to tie the belt up with weight class bouncing.
I’m not saying Silva shouldn’t defend the belt what I’m saying is Mir would be a good test for when he has some spare time “after” he cleans out the middle weight division again ..this is where I’m coming from. I understand what you think I was say because I didn’t explain myself good enough in my last post ,but this should help you understand what I was trying to say tho.
jcohl,
“And it certainly isn’t like Fedor and the rest of the cast of Eastern Promises over at M-1 Global have any problem throwing a beating to an aging MW if the price is right, so I’ll stay tuned for continuing developments out of the Strikeforce Alliance.”
–that is a masterpiece my friend, one of your best posts here ever, thanks for the laugh, awesome dude. “Eastern Promises”, dude that’s genious, i laughed for about 10 min non stop.
Spike TV – Cool deal, I like that they’re doing this, and think that they should continue to do this.
WEC – I kinda like Henderson and hope he gets his shot, I’m not really a fan of either Ceronne or Varner so… whatever.
Jones – Going to Jackson’s camp can do nothing but make him better, I think that was a smart move on his part.
Lil Shamm – Eh, whatever, maybe he should consider fighting to win, not fighting to put on a show.
Sad for the Fertittas.
Silva – I think Mir would submit him. Mir is bigger and stronger and has a good aggressive ground game, where as Silva’s ground game is defensive. I’m not really a fan of Silva as a person, at one point I thought he was humble, boy has he proved me wrong. I’ve pulled against him every time he’s fought an American, but against Cote and Leites I just wanted him to quickly dispatch them, once it became obvious they weren’t any competition. I can’t deny his skill, and enjoy watching him fight, but in some ways he’s trying to turn this into the Anderson Silva show, like Dana accused Tito of doing for himself.
GSP – Good for him he’ll be back
NSAC – I like the new rules, I just hope the 5 round rule doesn’t get abused.
nice to see that someone agrees with me and jcohl on the whole Anderson Silva thing.
Maybe I am bias as a Canadian, but I thought Cote was a good match as he took some clean shots off him and was still standing without being rocked. Once again I might be bias.
I do gotta agree with you on the humble part. I think he once was, but heads can grow quickly, especially since no one but Hendo has really put him in danger.
With that said, I really would like to see a Silva/Henderson 2. Since losing to Silva, the only two time tile holer EVER in MMA has gone undefeated, how is he not worthy? I understand the Maia/Mardquart thing, but come on. If you feel that strong, dismantle him and move on. I was in Columbus that night, and trust me when I say the crowd was in shock half way through round 2 as 3 minutes prior the arena was convinced Hendo had his number and the fight was in the bag. Man, how time can chance perception.
Change perception, not chance. Sorry, its been a night with a few shots with the boys, should have edited before posting! Cheers!
We all read a few weeks back that a member of the spiders camp had approached dana about anderson giving up his belt.
We also read that anderson had denied this claim.
However, it is obvious they are at least toying with the idea. Probably more than just toying with idea if they are discussing it with dana.
Perhaps Anderson is waiting to see if Mir will accept the fight before announcing his retirement from 185.
I’m getting tired of hearing about “Mr.Invulnerabilty” if he wants to start calling out ex champs let him fight someone who offers an exciting match up. Let him Fight Randy or maybe even Cain Velazquez, I mean really, let’s defend your belt so that people don’t think the belt is an entire joke. If you don’t want to fight at that weight then don’t, give up the belt and fight at another weight class. You know what I’d like to see is Silva vs GSP. Let’s have it and get it over with. If it takes Georges 8 months to a year to get ready and put some weight on, then so be it. I’ve had enough of the Silva parade. If he beats GSP, give him the tilte, the money, whatever he wants but get him out of the sport and onto something new, I heard he’s thinking of boxing, send him down there where the ego’s are a match to his own. He’s making the sport into a joke by doing this all the time, and I don’t mean by winning, I mean by calling everyone out in whatever weight class.
Just my opinion
@natsdad… i like your enthusiasm about your dislike for anderson. i really do, but please dont bring up the anderson-gsp fight. gsp is great no doubt. but we dont know if he is great at only 170 or if he can be great at 185 as well. have gsp earn his title shot at 185. give him hendo or the maia-marquardt winner[i doubt he would fight marquardt seeing how they train together, but that would be an awesome fight imo]. and then if he wins give him a title shot. gsp will be giving up about 20-30 pounds to anderson come fight night,[almost any mw], so we dont know if his takedowns will work against someone that big. sure he took down alves[who would be a small mw imo], but he was stuffed on two takedown attempts before he tore his groin, and alves was able to not let gsp mount him as well, not to mention alves was able to get dominant positions a few times. imagine a guy who is 10-15 pounds heavier and stronger… not good for gsp. hes giving up close to 6 inches of reach, 4 inches of height, and like i said 20-30 pounds against anderson. its not good for him. i am no way a silva fan. cant stand the arrogance and disrespect he gives other fighters. however i recognize the skill and talent he has.
jon jones training full time at greg jackson’s just edged them to the #1 training camp imo. it was a tie between them and ATT imo. ATT is loaded with talent, and while greg’s has less fighters, they have more talent. jones could start getting top guys within a year, and maybe get his title shot within the next two… just saying. imagine if they are able to get anthony rumble johnson as well. what an unbelievable team they would have going.
“ON AUGUST 8, 2009 ANDERSON SILVA MADE FORREST GRIFFIN LOOK LIKE AN AMATEUR, AND ON AUGUST 8, 2009 GUNSLINGER MADE BIGCHRIS 2328 LOOK LIKE A CASUAL FAN ”
anderson silva, frank mir… that is my fight…it doesnt enter my mind….doesn’t enter…my..mind
Fellas what up!
OK Anderson Silva: How has he become arrogant or thinks himself bigger than the sport or that this is the Anderson Silva show???
Dude’s I understand some of you just Dislike the Man. And you all as already been stated have a right to your own opinions but again it is yours, not necessarily the truth.
I see I guy at the top of his game WILLLING to fight the BEST fights out there in the UFC. He’s not afraid of any one but WILLLING to fight top comp., IN ANY WEIGHT CLASS. And wants to fight what like every 3-6 months!!!
HELLO not only is that awesome but AMAZING! Outside of B.J. Penn he is the only one willing to do it in ANY weight class, to prove he is P4P the greatest. Why hate on a guy for that??
Everyone {mostly everyone} considered Fedor so great but the guy rarely fights and he is still loved and adored but Anderson who cleaned out an entire weight class and just moved up in weight twice and just destroyed one of the so called top 205ers in 1 rd is overrated and is to cocky and Arrogant??? Huh are you serious??? If it was Forrest doing it or Chuck Liddell most would say he was Awesome and wouldn’t hate on them at all. Only because you like them and are willing to make excuses for them.
“Well Anderson is afraid and wont fight Lyoto” SOO WHAT he doesn’t want to fight Machida, that is his friend and team mate and he stated already {before he wont the title} he wanted Machida to win the 205 belt. Why mess up his friends dream when he can achieve his own dream and more by keeping his belt and whooping up on 205ers and HW’s??? Is Jon Fitch afraid of Koscheck??? NOOOOOO there from the same camp is Wandy afraid and running from Shogun??? NOOOOOOO
Puzzles me when people root for a guy like Forrest who showed how much class he has when he loses and doesn’t have the skill Anderson has in his left pinkie toe but hate guys like B.J. Penn and Anderson who at least want the Big name fights and challenges.
Really Damian Maia oooohhhhh how exciting is that fight!?!? LOOK at all the people lined up to buy that fight!! C’mon man please, aint no body dying to see that fight. Plus he still has to get past Nate!!
Most of all this UFC/Strikeforce/Elite/M-1/whatever mma organizations is a business plan and simple.. And as a Business they want to guess what make MONEY…. They are willing to put a belt on hold and allow a fighter to move up and down if it means making them more MONEY… So my point is dont hate on A. Silva who recognizes this and wants to make more MONEY and is playing the same game the Ufc is playing. DONT HATE THE PLAYER HATE THE GAME!!
While we have a guy like Anderson Silva, enjoy his reign, trust me no one is undefeatable and one day he will lose but that doesn’t mean he is less great just that he is a man like the rest of us!! Just an extremely skilled talented one is all…
i agree man, as far as i’m concerned if you complain about anderson there’s something wrong with you. is everyone an idiot?anderson silva vs brock lesnar… that would be meantle i would love to see anderson knock out that idiot, and lets be honest who here wouldnt?
While I appreciate you understanding my points petterson.,
I must also point out that there is a such thing as a technical mismatch!! Which is why weight class were invented in the first place.
Ex. Brandon Vera, Rashad Evans fought at HW, But it serves them better to fight at LHW so guys much larger and Heavyer cant just lay on top of them and they cant get up due to the massive girth!! Because that is not a skill rather it is weight that is winning. Not to take anything away from the HW’s. but sometimes weight is an important factor and a damning one too!
Anderson fighting Brock would be such a case IMO a technical mismatch. If it was purely a standup contest OH YEAH Brock would Lose ALL DAY!! But being it is MMA, Brock would simply imply the masterful performance he had against Frank Mir, hold him down allow 280 pds of muscled girth to lay on top of him and pound him unconscience!!
I do feel ya though but again my boy MK4 and Justin and J-cool have great points they just aren’t crazy about A. Silva and it’s cool they AINT idoits by fair, just have their own oppinions and their own Favorite fighters is all.
Or, if we complain about A. Silva, we want him to defend his belt and stop hopping weight classes like Tito’s woman jumps….
Nah, that’s too easy.
Dang, dbiz, ease up on Jenna Jameson…after all, she’s a new mommy…
So many rips could come off this one post it must make dbiz’s head explode…
Would I like to see Anderson Silva knock out Brock Lesnar?
Of course I would.
He11 petterson, I’d pay good money to see YOU knock out Brock Lesnar, but objectively I see Silva having only a somewhat better chance of KTFO’ing the Vanilla Gorilla then you or I would.
Even taking into account Silva’s Matrix-like performances in the Octagon, I can’t make this clear enough:
There is a HUGE difference between brutalizing Rich Franklin at 185 with a Thai boxing clinch, and trying it on Brock Lesnar who by fight night will weigh in close to 285.
There is a HUGE difference between humbling with precision striking a minimalist [at best] wrestler like Forrest Griffin at 205 , who basically walked right up to Silva and asked for an early night, and trying to humble with that same precision striking a Neanderthalic Brock Lesnar, who is a former NCAA Division 1 wrestling champion and fast-developing catch-wrestler under Erik Paulson. Lesnar will come in low and hard, take Silva to the ground, and work him like a $50 hooker until the ref stops the fight or the clock ends the round.
And if an in-shape 245 pound ground-master like Frank Mir wasn’t able to free himself from being seatbelt’ed and smothered on the mat at 100 by Lesnar, what makes you think that Anderson Silva would be able to, who MIGHT weigh 225-230 on fight night?
Also petterson, and I say this in no way, shape, or form to disrespect you, but without knowing what your competitive level in martial arts and/or an associated combat sport may be, I can only guess that you’ve never been on the mat, or in the ring or cage, with a guy that outweights you by 60 pounds of solid muscle. And a vicious guy at that, who wants nothing more than to tear your head off and sh!t down your neck in front of 15,000+ booing fans so that he can flip them off, and catch a ride back to his compound in the woods and climb back onto his MILF-tastic piece of a$$ wife.
Trust me, regardless of how impressive Royce Gracie’s early UFC performances were against bigger men, in modern-day MMA a 60 pound weight advantage, coupled with a ferocious ground game and pi$$-poor attitude like Lesnar has, does not make for a great fight to either watch or be in, unless you’re Brock Lesnar.
I’m neither a Silva supporter or detractor, but I have a WORLD of respect for what the man has accomplished for the most part in MMA, but I have ZERO desire to see Lesnar turn one of the shining MW stars in the history of our sport into a semi-conscious smear on the mat just so that Dana White and Zuffa can bag 2 million PPV buys…
OT1 man i kina know what youre sayin but not really ye see i know brock can smother graet fighters who are much smaller than him but anderson isn’t really a normal fighter forest was a fair bit bigger than him and although he’s a standup fighter it just didn’t seem to matter to anderson, i see anderson just avoiding lesnars takdowns and catching him with a couple of hard shots that would drop lesnar, we saw lesnar rocked against mir so his chin obviously isnt that good. i would be so confident anderson would knock him out.
jcohl i see were your coming from man, all your points would be valid if anderson was a normal fighter but lets be honest you saw what he did to forest and lesnar just doesnt have the skill to beat anderson regardles of how big he is, he couldn’t get him to the ground he’d just get cought with a meantle punch that would k.o him.
i’ve rolled with people twice my wieght who easily escaped all my submission atempts put i’m not anderson man, anderson’s just, meantle.
than again if i caught lesnar with one of my big left hooks…yes i think i’m onto something…
Lesnar’s chin isn’t good because he got rocked by Mir? So Fedor isn’t a good striker? Mir managed to do what Fedor never could…finish Nogueira with strikes.
I think a lot of people make the assumption that Mir isn’t rocking some power behind his punches. Thanks for joining that list.
man beleive me thats not what i mean i’ve talked to mir before, i’m a huge mir fan, i actually think mir could take fedor i’m just saying obviously lesnars chin isn’t iron because he stood with mir for about ten seconds and got rocked.
Petterson aka Megatron
I absolutely love A. Silva buttttt and I really hate to say this but if as my boy MK4 always reminds me and the collective here, that
“TRAVIS F’KING LUTTER” can take down A. Silva multiple times Imagine a pure beast in Brock Leasnar a Wrestling Super Star who specializes in takedowns and slams would easily take my boy down And keep him there.
I understand you believe Andersons skills are too superior to get taken down but that is not true my decepticon friend!!
He was taken down by Travis Lutter, and Rich Franklin (2nd fight) Dan Henderson and I believe Nate Marquart did it too i forget.
oh my poor freind…. anderson is invincible, those people didn’t finish him on the ground, anderson will not lose he just wouldn’t let brock take him down if he could finish it. see?
While I don’t have any problems with the idea of Silva dropping his belt to continue fighting at other weight classes, I do want to ask those who advocate such a course one question, just to play the other side. For the sake of the discussion, let’s say Silva announces tomorrow he’s dropping his belt and the UFC makes the Marquardt/Maia fight a championship fight for the MW title. Regardless of who wins, let’s just say it’s Demian Maia, will anyone other than the casual fan consider that guy the MW champ just because he has the belt? I don’t think fans will. Everyone will know that Maia won it without having to defeat Silva to get it. For me, it would feel more like an interim champion situation until Silva decided he wants the belt back and comes back down to 185 to fight Maia or whoever has it. I believe at this stage of his career, after all the wins, Silva will be generally regarded as the BEST middleweight fighter, with or without the belt, until someone beats him or he retires/quits. Bottom line, whether it’s right or wrong, I feel that whoever wins the belt, should Silva vacate it, would be fighting an uphill battle for legitimacy….especially if Silva continued to have success fighting in the heavier weight classes.
he would get submitted by mir.
The basics are
1. Not everyone is going to be satisfied for one reason or another.
2. If he holds a belt, he keeps a belt until a worthy fighter comes a long. Until then, at least he’s looking for challenging fights. It would be ridiculous to take a belt away. Then you’d complain he needs to go back to that weight class to see who the “real” champ is.
3. You’re going to get to watch him fight no matter what. If he has the stones to step in with a bigger, stronger fighter, more power to him. You’ll bet against him and we’ll see what happens.
4. For those at 185 waiting in line to fight him… What are you waiting for really? Systematic and thorough dismantling of another 185er.
Is there any way to register on here? It won’t let me for some reason. Sorry to be off topic.
in the top left corner you should see sign up dude
Hey, I’ve said my peace on any sort of Anderson Silva-Brock Lesnar match.
I guess we’ll have to see how Silva does against Frank Mir, and if he can Forrest Griffin him, then maybe he deserves a shot at Lesnar.
And if Silva puts Lesnar down, I’ll be buying drinks for all my frenZied friends at the closest hotel bar in the city the event is held in, most likely Vegas.
However, if we’re treated to the unpleasant sight of Anderson Silva getting ragdolled and silverback’ed by Lesnar, and then have to endure more of his unsportsmanlike conduct while Silva is helped to the locker room, please don’t say that I didn’t warn you all…
would you buy me a bottle of cristal jcohl?
Man if that happened I would pay the thousands of pounds it would cost to fly over from England to Las Vegas just to see Silva put Lesnar down and then to enjoy your offer of a drink
Unfortunately, that will clearly not happen. And I don’t mean that you wont be buying the drinks…
I’ll take you up on that and you wont have to buy me an expensive drink, I’ll take Alize or Patron or better yet I’d buy you one If A. Silva KO’s Lesnar!!
Atlanta represented well with Alize and Patron… the ole Spondivits special! haha
Just as an FYI to you all, I’ve been saving a 30 year old bottle of Ballantine’s Scotch that my grandfather gave me shortly before he passed away for that “special occasion”.
My crew were sweating like hookers in church hoping that Mir would hook and submit Lesnar a second time, just like they were hoping that Couture was going to take Lesnar to school in their bout, so that I would crack open the Ballantine’s and share the wealth.
Sadly, to date, the bottle remains closed and the seal intact.
Of course if Anderson Silva, or Shane Carwin, manage to KTFO a certain Vanilla Gorilla, I’ll be popping that top quicker than a stripper snagging a $50 tip near closing time…
well my freind i can almost garuntee you that scotch will be opened soon than because carwin will k.o. brock. hurray!
I am sure that when giving Hendo a title shot the guys over at UFC headquarters take into account his fighting record when with Pride. Which makes sense, just becuase those fights a happened outside the UFC dosn’t mean he hasn’t beaten a who’s who’s list of top MW’s and LHW’s.
UFC fanboys may want to check Hendo’s record before you say Maia’s is more important. No I don’t not want to wiki it and cut and paste it.
Hendo’s RECENT fight history is not nearly as impressive, and to some that means a lot. In fact, it is no more impressive than Maia’s…
That said, he gave Silva this most trouble in the cage, so I have no problems with the rematch. Saying that victories from 5 years ago should matter now, though, is ridiculous. 5 years ago, Silva was a good fighter but not at the level he is now.
So dbiz, if you’re saying that its ridiculous that fights from 5 years ago matter now, how do you explain how everyone and our own fr702 continue to rank Fedor as the number one MMA HW in the world?
Not sure if wins over Rich Franklin, Palhares, and Bisping aren’t a lil more impressive than wins over Sonnen, Quarry, and MacDonald… just saying. I do agree about that rematch though, I still wouldn’t mind seeing Maia and Hendo myself though(all moot if Marquardt continues to show improvement like he has and beats Maia), I think that’d really be an interesting match-up myself.
I agree on the 5 years ago thought though. I mean 5 years ago Anderson was getting ready to make Mr. Murray consider a change of profession. How’d that work out for ole Lightning…
Does anyone seriously think that Maia could even touch Anderson …honestly…..