Josh Barnett’s Second Sample Also Positive For Steroid
A second urine sample submitted by Josh Barnett, who was to headline Affliction: Trilogy on August 1 against Fedor Emelianenko, has also tested positive for Drostanolone, the same anabolic steroid detected in his “A” sample which forced him off the card earlier this month and ultimately caused the event to be canceled and the promotion to be folded.
Barnett has maintained his innocence in stating that he never knowingly took steroids and has vowed to appeal the positive test, but had hopes that the “B” sample would clear him rather than confirm the original result.
Because the positive test occured in the process of approving his license to fight in California, the Calfifornia State Athletic Comission cannot asses him a suspension or fine, though he’ll likely need to clear a future drug screening before being allowed to fight again in the United States.
The former UFC heavyweight champion, who has tested positive for steroids on two previous occasions, must now go through the formal appeals process with the CSAC if he hopes to clear his name.
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what a douche!!!
he should not be allowed to fight again… make an example out of this guy to show other fighters who might htink of doping that it will ruin any chances of having a real carrer in MMA
I just can’t imagine he would of knowingly took drostanolone,and then submitted a test.I’m not saying he shouldn’t be held responsible after all it is his body and he should know what go’s in it.I just think fighters should do the research then selves rather that leave it up to a trainer or trust a training partner.I don’t even know if thats what happend in this case.But i can’t help but feel with the extensive testing going on today he would have been that STUPID.
Let’s be analytical for a second: you’re facing arguably the biggest fight in your career, with hundreds of thousands, if not millions on the line. Winning will virtually guarantee you a place in history, and the rematch will earn you more than most fighters make in a lifetime.
Do you honestly think for a second that he didn’t knowingly take this steroid? I’m not making an argument about Josh’s ethics, or PED ethics. Simply put- these guys who compete at the highest level, and with the opportunity that Fedor represents, have their entire lives carefully mapped out. Training, eating, sleeping, recovery, etc. Every single aspect is taken into consideration. So wouldn’t supplementation AND the possibility of drug use be considered?
This lawyer fed bullsh-t about the CSAC’s testing facilities, as well as the ‘unsterilized’ nature of the supplement industry is a ‘Clinton’ defense. “I smoked, but I didn’t inhale” was a bold faced lie, and has been popularized in the past decade to combat drug allegations. “I peed hot, but didn’t take the drug” is a cop-out and I’m tired of the DISHONESTY. Were he to be frank with us, I’d have no problem with his usage.
Frankly, the idea of PEDs as some kind of horrible, fight/game altering snake venom is pathetic. Nearly every area of sport has been influenced by technology- sports science/technology has revolutionized the player’s health, longevity, effectiveness, and productivity. However, the only area still bastardized is PED, or in a sense, bio-technology.
Every strength trainer out there who is honest with himself will tell you that no program EVER written will make a player a better athlete. This simply cannot be done. It will, however, better prepare him for the demands of his sport, and make him more effective on the field/in the cage/etc.
So why are PED’s regarded as the bane of the sports industry when there are so many other technologies out there aiding (supposedly) genetically and skillfully inferior athletes bridge the gap between “good” and “great”?
Did he do something illegal by the rules of the CSAC? Yes. Is he remotely ignorant of the fact he had PEDs in his body? No, I seriously doubt it. Should these PEDs truly be banned when there is a great deal of medical supervision and research surrounding their usage?
I believe it is time for a serious, well balanced discussion to take place. It’s sport technology’s natural evolution. Since the great war between the Soviet and US Olympic teams who developed a lot of the early forms of PEDs, it has been almost impossible to roll back. Try to find one single sport at the international or Olympic level that hasn’t truly benefited from sport technology. How can an organization legitimately hold up a banner that says all our athletes are “natural” competitors?
ya he didnt know when the trainer was stickin a needle in his ass for him….. come on dont kid yourself he knew he was hoping it was gonna be out of his system by the time he was tested but he got tested early.
Hey Mr.sarcasm.I wasn’t saying he didn’t know he was getting a needle in his ass.I was just making the point that just maybe he might of been a bit oblivious to exactley what he was taking.Either way he should absolutley pay the consequense.And i think we can all agree josh is a pretty inteligent guy and it’s a bit surprising that he would jepordize the biggest moment of his life doing something so stupid.So i’m willing to at least here what he has to say before i sit here and tear him down like so many people have done.
In all fairness to RJA not all steroids are injected. In fact most aren’t, the fact that this steroid in particular is used for cutting weight(filling out and not bulking up is the main use) as well gives Barnett a tiny shred of deniability, since it could have been in a particular medication or a drug he got online. I don’t think Barnett is stupid, he’d know he was being tested since he’d had previous trouble with testing, CSAC is known for being extremely strict, and this was his third fight back in the states. So it’s not like he just got off a flight from Japan and forgot they were in his system. I don’t think he has a snowballs chance in he1l when he appeals his case but there is at least some shot here.
Also yes this was his biggest fight ever, so even if he did use don’t you think he would be smart enough to cover it up? Makes little sense that he’d be that dumb here. Though I could be wrong I do give him a tiny shred of credibility until his appeal is formally reviewed.
As I pointed out somewhere, the efficacy of this steroid when taken orally is under 1%. Needless to say, he didn’t take it orally. This particular steroid is injected into a muscle (typically butt, but could be somewhere else…).
Thats the breaks…. The fact of the matter is, he is still probably the only guy that can beat Fedor, and unless it happens in Japan, we will probably never see it. Sure, this sucks for him, but anyone who judges shold put themselves in his shoes. He’s just trying to get noticed, and if he took roids, it was for cosmetic (i don;t know if thats the word I’m looking for) reasons, because he didn’t have “the body of a champion”, supposedly they are weight cutting roids. And he definately isn’t 265, hes about 250lbs, so I just cant see why he would do this. I hope UFC will still sign him, as he is the #2 hvw in MMA, and that is a fact! Josh would probably fair better against Brock than Fedor would, just because of his size and wrestling ability. And all the Catch Wrestling Brock now employs was taught to him by Erik Paulson, who is Josh’s training partner. Hell, I bet Josh even got in on the lesnar training. People can say what they want, but steroids happen, and will always happen. If you get busted, you do the time for it, but by no means does this lessen his hvw standing, or make him less of a competitor. The UFC has brought in known steroid abusers before, during and after they test for it, I can only hope Josh gets another chance, because a heavyweight of his calliber, should be fighting and not on the sidelines. He has battled 90% of the top teir of heavyweights, and came on top to all but 3 men, and he has avenged every loss except the Cro Cop fights, but, I believe he would rock cro cop if they ever face off again. In My Opinion.
While I agree with you regarding both PED use in sports and Josh Barnett deserving another UFC opportunity down the road, submit24, I have to point out that Josh Barnett WOULD NOT in fact “fair better against Fedor”, and here is why.
And please bear in mind that I am a longtime Barnett supporter, and ardent Lesnar detractor, as some of my many lengthy posts here at the frenZy can verify.
However, in the cage against Fedor, Lesnar has situational and inherent advanatges in size, strength, aggressiveness, and college championship wrestling ability that Josh Barnett absolutely lacks.
Yes, Barnett has a decided advantage in catch-wrestling, but that in and of itself is not determinent enough to claim that Barnett would have a better shot of beating Fedor than Lesnar would.
And Lesnar is reportedly devoting all of his time to training MMA and catch-wrestling these days, and not splitting time between MMA and professional wrestling like Josh Barnett currently does.
Also, Lesnar’s last few fights have been against Mir twice and Randy Couture, and Fedor’s last 3 fights have been against some 7 foot mutant, Ray Mercer KO victim Tim Sylvia, and Brett Rogers KO victim Andrei Arlovski, so Fedor at the very least is rusty, and not facing the quality level of opposition that Lesnar has in the same timeframe.
As for these “rankings” that keep being thrown out there, I’ll just say this.
I personally am not impressed with or buying into rankings compiled and published by websites that are looking to keep Fedor and M-1 Global happy and extending staged interviews, and want to avoid calling a spade a spade, or Fedor a paper champion.
If people want to buy into some website’s claim or so-called journalist’s opinion that Fedor is the nest HW in the world, or the best p4p MMA fighter, thats their call.
I tend to believe what I see with my eyes, and what I see is Fedor taking easy fights against soft competition the last 4 years, and the 4 years before that he made his rep on open weight opponents, guys no one has ever heard of or from since, or men like Mirko CroCop and Heath Herring, who have proven themselves to be .500 fighters at best in the UFC.
Fedor was definitely the best Japanese-style shoot-fighter in PRIDE 5 years ago, but from where I stand that doesn’t automatically make him the nest MMA fighter, HW or otherwise, on the planet TODAY until he proves it.
Josh Barnett is flat out hella fierce as an MMA fighter, but until he gets himself sorted out, knocks off that New Japan Pro Wrestling crap, and signs a contract with a respectable MMA promotion like Strikeforce or the UFC, and mixes it up with someone like Alistair Overeem, or Brock Lesnar, he’ll continue being the baddest man in Erik Paulson’s Fullerton gym, and a FORMER contending MMA HW.
Josh Barnett MAY in fact be the number 2 MMA HW in the world, just as Fedor theoretically MAY be the best MMA HW in the world, but thats the sort of thing a man has to prove periodically, and not in a professional wrestling ring like Barnett, or in laughable sideshow bouts with has-beens and never-will-bes staged by a steaming pile like M-1 Global, like Fedor has chosen to do the last 49 months…
Perfectly put….couldn’t agree more. Either Fedor retires relatively young and/or just does sambo, or you have to be willing to beat the best challengers. It’s such a cop out when they say “he doesn’t care about his legacy”. That’s bs; it’s his legacy which makes him the top paid fighter. Even though Fedor knocked out AA, he REALLY looked rusty/slow.
On a side note, I actually happen to think that Lesnar is good for mma. Why? Because it forces fresh thinking and evolution. As in, “How do we beat this guy?”
Maybe there should be a cage match WWE style where Josh Barnett, James Irvin, Chris Leben, Stephen Bonnar, Sean Sherk, etc., etc. all wrestle to see who is really innocent. The ones that survive are burned at the stake, due to being guilty, and the ones that die where probably innocent.
well, i’m actually kina happy he took steroids because of him affliction is gone and it looks like most of there good fighters are going to ufc.
A-men to that! sucks for bigger affliction fans.
ye but bigger affliction fans suck
Well, as a longtime Barnett supporter and former student of catch-wrestling, I was hoping that this was some sort of mistake, or clerical error, or lab foul-up.
Subjectively speaking, of course.
After all, who wants to see the poster boy of a discipline they’ve been involved with for years be branded a “juicer”?
Aspersions are now cast on all of Barnett’s successes in the sport, and the validity and relevence of his skillset will be questioned as well.
In short, how many fights did Barnett win by being a practitioner of catch-wrestling, and how many did he win thanks to PEDs?
Does this catch-wrestling stuff work without PEDs?
And on and on it will go.
Again.
Objectively I try to extend a square deal to all fighters and situations, but when you get a second test for PEDs come back positive, AGAIN, you’re sort of convicted, so to speak.
I guess being stripped of the UFC HW title didn’t leave a big enough impression on Barnett to try and keep track of what pills he was popping, or what filled the syringes he was shooting.
Unreal.
While its possible that Barnett was unaware that there could be a testing problem with something possibly proscribed by an overseas or stateside physician of questionable judgement and/or morality, its equally possible that Barnett isn’t levelling with the MMA community, or himself, and so we lose Barnett for another year, this time to a suspension that could have been avoided and should have been unnecessary.
And he adds yet another black mark against his name and his MMA accomplishments.
Good thing he has professional wrestling to fall back on, as that quasi-regulated industry doesn’t seem to be as harsh towards PED users as MMA and the state boards are.
Or you can just buy into the former UFC HW champion conspiracy theory, in that its all downhill after losing the title, and that Barnett is both blameless and faultless for his current predicament.
It sounds like nonsense, until you ask guys like Ricco Rodriguez, Pedro Rizzo, Andrei Arlovski, Tim Sylvia, and of course Barnett himself if they think that the belt is cursed…
ya i was really looking forward to barnett fighting fedor i hoped barnett would win. but glad it help UFC
Just so you guys are aware …. this type of steroid is ingested in pill form not injected .And second, it only takes 10 days to clear your system so you can almost bank on there being some of our favorites doing the same and we just have not caught them yet . wonder how a surprise testing would fair in the UFC ???
FYI, Dr Doom, the UFC has a pretty good track record to date with random testing, so you might want to keep that in mind before hitting the promotion’s fighters with implied accusations and undue suspiscions…
Out of competition is handled by the state athletic commissions in which the bout is to be held at. Trust me the UFC guys get the same treatment.
Since I am apparently the only one who does more than ten seconds of research on this site:
According to mesomorphosis.com (a steroid promoting site), Masteron (dromostanolone propionate or drostanolone propionate) is injected intramuscularly. It has an effective life in the body of 2-3 days and a testing life (the amount of time it can be detected in urine) of around 10 days. It is NOT taken orally. It does not have the chemical structure to be effectively taken up by the digestive system and used.
There is an androgenic agent that is taken orally. Proviron (Mesterolone) does many of the same things that Masteron does. In fact, in the third paragraph, it is specifically quoted as “being some sort of ‘Oral Masteron.’” They both operate quite similarly, but one big difference is the testing life: 5 to 6 weeks for Proviron as opposed to ten days for masteron. Proviron also must be taken every day since it has an effective life in the body of only 12 hours.
Hope that keeps the facts straight on this little issue.
Well everything got kind of double posted. Sorry about that. It will eventually show up.
Once again, it appears that I am just about the only person who cares to do any kind of research/fact-checking before I go spouting off about stuff…
The steroid that Barnett tested positive for, Dromostanolone Propionate or Drostanolone Propionate (trade name Masteron), is not, in fact, taken orally. It is administered via intramuscular injection. It is quite effective at allowing athletes to add strength while not bulking up and adding weight. This makes it ideal for athletes in the phase of their training where they are trying to make weight. It is suggestetd that it be injected every couple or three days and the detection limit is between ten days and three weeks.
The drug you are thinking of is Mesterolone (trade name Proviron). In fact, in the third paragraph of the linked article, Mesterolone is quoted as “being some sort of ‘Oral Masteron.’” This drug is not as preferred because the detection time is five to six weeks.
PEOPLE, PLEASE AT LEAST DO A MINUTE OF RESEARCH BEFORE JUST THROWING STUFF OUT THERE. It took me literally a minute to open up a couple tabs and google stuff.
@ bsbiz – first, let me say thanks for posting the particulars regarding Barnett’s PED of choice.
Second – let me assure you that you are most definitely NOT “the only one who does more than ten seconds of research in this site”.
While I understand and sometimes share your frustration and in some cases irritation with posters who seem to post factlessly, I do try my best to include as much relevent material and information as I can.
If you’ve read any of my stuff here or over in the forum area, you’ll see what I mean about my doing due diligence to the subject matter before posting.
And I do in fact “do a minute of research before just throwing stuff out there”…
To the best of my knowledge, you are not one of the people I’m referring to. *coughcough*Sr.doom*coughcough*
……….. and all the baseball players were innocent to right ? Steroids are in most sports and to think that Barnett and only a select few have done so is rediculous . You can only develope a body to a certain extent before the need of “other ” things . And with the physiques of some of these guys out there its hard to believe that they are just all naturally built .Its not EVERYONE but there are more than we think .
And as for any organization or professional league to do their own testing is absurd . Look at how many people got positive test results in the 2003 MLB ….. and only now do you find out they were guilty .Wow thanks for jumping on that one Bud Seilig
As I said above combat sports are different since they’re sanctioned by state athletic commissions. The UFC could do testing if they wanted to and hand out in-house suspensions but they would only be enforceable inside the UFC if not reported to the AC’s.
Josh Barnett is a TOOL….
best thing for barnett is to move to UFC! lets get another good fighter but no steriods mister!
Barnett ain’t coming, home skillet. Dana wouldn’t touch him for anything.