Fedor Emelianenko, M-1 Global Ready To Negotiate With UFC
Though negotiations between Fedor Emelianenko and the UFC have apparently not begun yet, it appears both sides are willing to meet with hopes of bringing the top-ranked heavyweight into the Octagon.
M-1 Global President Vadim Finkelchtein believes that this weeks cancellation of Affliction: Trilogy could be used as an opportunity to jump start stagnant negotiations to bring Fedor to the UFC.
“This is the moment of truth that the UFC has talked about. Fedor and I are here in the States. If they want to come out and fly here, we are ready to conduct negotiations,” said Finkelchtein. “Of course it still doesn’t imply we are ready to accept any conditions they’ll throw at us. We want to talk to the UFC about having Fedor compete against some of their fighters, but only within the framework of co-promotional efforts with M-1 Global.”
As a guest on ESPN Radio 1100 on Friday, UFC President Dana White said he’s looking to make a deal happen with Fedor, who would immediately challenge for the heavyweight title in the UFC.
“My job is to put on the best fighters and to give you, the fans, the fights you want to see. I’ve been trying to get Fedor in the UFC. I want it because you want it. Believe me, I’m trying to make it happen. He’ll fight for the title first. What does he need, a tune-up fight or something?”
The UFC is planning a July 31 press conference to make several major announcements. Will the signing of the world’s top heavyweight in Fedor be among them?
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“This is the moment of truth that the UFC has talked about. Fedor and I are here in the States. If they want to come out and fly here, we are ready to conduct negotiations,” said Finkelchtein.
Piss off.
you piss off.
The UFC will never accept a co-promotional, but i hope they can sort this fight out if not for the fans for FEDOR to show if he is or is not the very best?
Sucks that these guys still want to make this thing co-promotional, but maybe they are starting to see the writing on the walls that the UFC is where they need to be.
if he did join UFC do you think he would get an automatic title shot? i hope hefaces couture first if couture beat NOG and he beats couture he faces lesnar so 2 matches with fedor fans have been waiting for.
that would be awesome to see him fight couture first, but I think that it would likely be the other way around. Fedor would have to fight and win against Lesnar with Randy winning against Big Nog for them to meet. I’d love to see it though, really I’d love to see anything happen at this point due to all the speculation…
I read that in Couture says that part of his new contract agreement with the UFC is that he gets the first fight against Fedor.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/219363-randy-couture-calls-dibs-on-fedor-emelianenko
i doubt that Fedor could win over Lesnar. Lesnar is simply too big for standard holds and chokes to work on him.
the only one to have a chance with him is someone of the same size.
Dana has said that Fedor would get an immediate title shot.
This is not about the UFC. This is about Fedor taking on all comers.
Watch Dana buy M-1, then fire Finkelchtein.
That would be AWESOME
Agreed.
Haha, that’d be hilarious!
i’m a big fedor fan but if he doesnt come to the UFC the i’ve lost a bit of respect for him. He should take that 3 fight contract and just fight.
I think he should get a title shot immediately. Lets see Fedor run through Lesner!!! then we’ll actually have a real Champion at the top of the HW divison. I hope this will happen, but I’m worried that the UFC brass has too much pride to be pushed around by Fedor and M1.
I hardly doubt anyone “runs” through Lesnar. Get real – It’s not a pride thing it’s a business thing. Why would the UFC even consider a co-promotion with M-1? If that’s what M-1 wants then they might as well not even waste their time because, IMO, the UFC will never go for it.
Ok well I was wating for someone to JOKE about “we don’t negotiate with terrorist” type bs, but alas that would be wrong
A co promotion with M~1 Global…. Um well let’s see that’s not going to happen, I highly doubt that… I also like how Finkie says, hey they can fly out here and talk with us.. Come on man how do u even believe that u have the power to demand shhiit… Have Fedor sign with UFC no co promotion bull, make sure he can compete in Sambo (which was the original reason they “didn’t” sign, now magically its co promotion or nothing eh) win or lose Fedor will make more “long term” money fighting with the UFC than anywhere else… Co promotion isn’t an option, the UFC doesn’t NEED Fedor imho, they’ve done pretty good without him, why give up monies and rights through a co~promotion? Business wise it doesn’t make sense
Are you guys joking ……..
Brock Lesnar is gonna fall against Fedor in under 4 minutes . If Dana was so sure that Fedor was an easy win he would have sent an assasin to take him out by now . It still wont happen .
sorry to disagree. da vanilla gorilla is too darn big for standard holds to work.
agreed that fedor is skilled and a pretty good striker.
however he is not super-strong.
i dont see fedor winning vs. Brock, as much as I’d like fedor to win
fedor vs lesnar would make me very happy but like every1 no’s fedor is a biatch an will not fight in the ufc!!!
fedor vs lesnar = lesnar via gnp/tko
fedor vs carwin = carwin via gnp/tko
fedor vs velasquez = velasquez via ud
fedor vs kongo = kongo via ko/punch
fedor vs mir = mir via sub/arm bar
fedor vs randy = randy gnp/tko
no wonder fedor doesn’t want to come fight in the ufc lil biatch
that is just naive, your talking about Fedor
kongo SUCKS! who has he ever beaten thats good? EVER?!
not sure those predictions would come true
georgeJohnBoy……. Kongo would not KO Fedor or even come close to it .
edit~FR702
man no offense but you don’t know what your talking about, kongo is actually terrible…
yes because he is soo terrible he made to the UFC?
fr… ur being very undude, loads of terrible people have MADE it to the ufc and subsequently kongo happens to be the only french fighter in the ufc at the moment… think about it
“undude”?
No Kongo isn’t the best in the world I give you that but he is better than most HW’s in the world at this moment… Hey you don’t like him cool no worries but it isn’t like the man is Zulu or something, hey even Tank Abbott had his day ya know
dude how good do you think his standup is? because he took hardonk down.
Petterson, I’m saying the guy has talent…. He isn’t a pushover, he is a tough guy forsure… His standup is decent, his ground game needs improvement forsure.. I know that Fedor would beat Chieck I have no issues with that, people complain way to much about the UFC HW division and talk shhhhh like they could take Kongo or something, again if you don’t like him fine that is how you get down I have no issues with that… Yet I tend to respect people’s talents if I like them or don’t thats all
man i no what ur saying but i don’t really think he has much talent, lets see:
he poked al-turk in the eye
took hardonk down because his standup was worse than hardonks
and he has a WAY worse ground game than cane
you could still be good and have a worse ground game than cane but he’s not really good anywere, see what i’m saying?
fedor has fought everyone and is still like 30-1-1.dude i know everyone wants to cheer for the americans but dude what r u smokin. randy c isnt even going to beat nog.and hes like 16-9 and has fought not even all the best like fedor.randy and kongo come on. cain v is not ready for fedor.lesner and carwin have the best chance just from size, but they wouldnt even win 3 out of ten against fedor. if im not wrong fedor only lost from a cut. he would never just give his leg like brock or nog or someone would of already ripped it off. was this post a joke.kongo knockin out fedor!!!!lol!!!!!!!hahahaha!!!!!!!!!go kenflo!!!!!!!!!!
Fedor has not fought “everyone”, he should stick to his guns on the Sambo thing, but give up on the co~promotion thing and suck it up and join the UFC
Fedor hasn’t had a really tough fight since Pride folded (and don’t bring up “Big Butter” Sylvia or “Glass Chin” Arlovski….Mercer and Rogers took care of that). So in three years, he’s done NOTHING for the sport. Top p4p? Not even in my top 5. Top heavyweight? Maybe in 04-05-06. No one can seriously say that today.
The UFC has no reason to go after this now. Fedor pissed his chance away when Pride was bought up and now he isn’t relevant to the UFC. And I’m glad. Push your co-promotion requirement, M-1. It’s just more proof that Fedor has no say in his own career anymore.
Out of interest dbiz, who are your top 5 heavies?
I don’t think Cane would beat Fedor
Kongo well if it got on the ground he would lose to Fedor
Carwin ehhhhh that is interesting
Fedor beats Randy imho
Mir would be a good bout, if he finished Fedor Mir should immediatly retire
Lesnar has the power advantage I don’t know man he could possibly gnp Fedor once up against the cage ala Mir v Lesnar II
and if kongo-fedor stayed on the feet kongo might die, thats worse…
ya Fedor has better standup, always a chance he could get Matt Serra’d
possibly, i doubt it though
id said those are all about right, except i dont think kongo would really have a chance, and randy… ive just never really decided.
if fedor does sign though, theres defiantly a few of good fights to be had
hahaha. all men can beat fedor yeah this is mma. but historically no one has yet. Id still put my money on fedor beating all of those guys.
i disagree. carwins ground skills are not established, while fedor is a wiz.
the only one i’d agree is fedor vs lesnar. lesnar’s too big for fedor.
kongo? i dont know how good is his sprawl…
Vs. randy? I think that fedor’s punching is much better, and fedor would have no problem knocking him out. and on the ground fedor is AT LEAST AS GOOD AS RANDY IF NOT BETTER.
umm… last time i checked Fedor already beat Nog… twice and you should watch the pounding Fedor did to Nog’s face.
But if they acquire Fedor, the fans will have no one else to ask for! Sure, we’ll see dream matches like Fedor v. Lesnar, Fedor v. Couture. But there will be no one left for the fans to be like… we need Fighter X in the UFC!
I hope Fedor stays out of the UFC so we can keep talking about Fedor not joining the UFC.
Overheem, if he can stay on top of his game. Mousasi if he proves to be half decent at his new weight class(es). Aokie, Alvarez, Hansen, Nick Diaz, Jake Shields, Brett Rogers, Jeff Monson…. yeah there’s plenty of guys for the fans to say “we need Fighter X in the UFC!”
“but only within the framework of co-promotional efforts with M-1 Global.”
I am so tired off this back and forth cr*p that I really do not give a sh*t what Fedor does anymore. This whole Fedor in the UFC is never going to happen as much as I want and hope it to.
So let me get this straight.
Dana White, or Lo Fertita, is supposed to fly to Fedor for a meeting, instead of Fedor coming to them?
How the fu<k does that work exactly?
If I, or anyone else on planet Earth need a job, because my last gig has crapped out at the last minute, I don't ask my next perspective employer to meet me over at my house so I can ask him for a job, and cop an attitude about it, I go to him, humbly, with my hat in my hand as they used to say, and state my case respectfully.
ESPECIALLY if I'd spent the better part of the last 4 years on an extended easy working vacation, and had a lot to prove in terms of current occupational relevence.
As it relates specifically to Fedor, and getting a title shot IF, and thats a huge IF considering the reality disconnect between Fedor's management and Zuffa, IF Fedor signs to fight in the UFC, I would have to say he certainly DOES NOT merit an immediate title shot.
The best I can determine the last quality HW MMA opponent Fedor faced was Mirko CroCop, nearly 4 years ago. He did not in fact submit or T/KO Mirko, but rather went to a decision.
Mirko's UFC tenure has been pretty underwhelming, and he's been pretty much exposed as a one-dimensional fighter.
Why is it then that Fedor should merit an immediate UFC HW title shot, if he had to go to a decision against a .500 kickboxer [in the UFC] masquerading as an MMA fighter?
If the deal gets done before Randy Couture hits 50, then I'd suggest that the UFC put them in a bout. If Fedor beats Randy SOUNDLY, then maybe he should get to fight for the title. If he loses, or scores a split or faulty decision win, then Dana will have to reconsider Fedor's title path.
I consider this option EXTREMELY generous, in light of Fedor's recent opposition.
I apologize to Mirko's supporters for being so harsh, but this Fedor nonsense needs to stop, and stop immediately.
Either Fedor himself is delusional, or his manager is. Why in the world would the UFC co-promote an event with a completely made-up organization? Let's keep in mind here, we're not talking Strikeforce, Bellator, DREAM, or even something like the IFL if they were still in business.
M-1 Global is just Fedor's manager, and previously an equally odious individual named Monte Cox, using Fedor's name and money to put on events that generate minimal interest and funds.
Or maybe its just a language barrier issue. Maybe Fedor is simply unaware that this Finklestein is running his career into the ground by alienating the sport's premiere organization.
If so, that would be tragic, but there isn't much the UFC can do about it, other than maybe employing one of 10,000 Russian-speaking prostitutes working in and around LasVegas, and ask her to slowly and clearly explain to Fedor the terms they are offering him, even if she has to read it off of a sheet of paper.
Justipedia , bs/dbiz, or fr702 can of course correct me if I'm off-base, but I'm guestimating Zuffa is offering Fedor something like a 250/250 contract for 4 fights, with the understanding that if he wins he keeps his job, and if he doesn't he's free to go back to Bolgorod and prep for his next SAMBO tournament, or return to fighting in sideshows bouts for his manager or in Japan.
And of course thats a base salary. As we should all know by now, there is a huge difference between base salary and total payout.
Assuming I am right, Fedor's manager is waving off a $2 million dollar contract [or more, as I'm being conservative IMO] and the chance for his boy to actually PROVE he's the best MMA fighter in the world, instead of just letting MMA websites TELL him he is so they grant them an interview or a photo op.
I do think that Zuffa and Fedor's people should meet one last time, in Dana's office, and Vadim Finklestein should be given one final fair contract, and simply told that if Fedor doesn't sign it, he's never fighting in the UFC.
Ever. End of story. No more pressers, no more bogus announcements, no more word- or headgames.
Fedor is either in or he's out, and then they can all live with the consequnces of their decision.
And the rest of us can get back to MMA matters that actually matter, and the now-marginalized Fedor can slide farther and farther into obscurity and irrelevence.
Actually, now that I read back and think on it, bsbiz had it right from the get-go, with a lot less words than I used.
Fedor and his manager can go pi$$ off…
A contract for Fedor from the UFC would probably be similar to Randy’s or Chucks, meaning about 250 guaranteed, 200 win bonus in disclosed money, plus percentage of PPV plus percentage of gate adding up to around 2-3 million per fight. They would also being offering 3-4 fights per year, which would mean 6-12 million per year. The lower end being what he made with Affliction. The UFC would probably allow him to continue to compete in SAMBO but not for other promotions. I don’t see where the harm is. I have to believe that in the past there has been some matter of things “getting lost in translation”, especially since Fedor and Dana have never personally met or spoken to one another.
Found my original comment regarding PPVs and though I could perhaps update it in light of the 1.5M PPV buys 100 got.
Original.
For those who may not like clicking, Randy’s contract allegedly had the following PPV percentage scale:
Up to 100k buys= Nothing
100k – 175k buy = 75k buys @ $1 = 75k
175k – 300k buys = 125k buys @ $1.50 = 187k
300k – 330k buys = 30k buys @ $2 = 60k
330k+ buys = (X-330k) @ $3
So let’s do some math on 1.5M buys.
Up to 100K + Nothing
100k – 175k = 75k
175k – 300k = 187k
300k – 330k = 60k
330k – 1.5M = 3,510,000
Total? $3,832,000
Now, I believe that the numbers may be different now, in light of the fact that more and more PPVs are being sold, but the fact remains that under no circumstances are the fighters not going to do very well.
Also note, that is over $2.50 of each $45 PPV to one fighter. For a Fedor-Brock or Fedor-Randy card, you are looking at $5 from your PPV landing in their pockets, directly.
Take out the cut for the cable company and the PPV distributor, and the UFC may not actually make that much off the actual PPVs that they put two mega stars on.
Jcohl…thank you for saving me all that time to type what you just said. I completely agree with you.
Fedor, fight some real competition. I’ll be the first to say sorry if you can run through the ufc, but until then…
Sorry .that was directed at Johnboy not george
JOHNBOY lol
you a fool!and have never seen mma anywhere but the ufc!!! come on guy Why do you think MOST FANS OF MMA WANT HIM IN THE UFC BECAUSE HE WOULD KILL THEM! WELL most of them! as he has done in the past and present! but there are real Fighter waiting for there shot! fighters in the ufc and all around the world know he’s the best! lol you really think ****ty Kongo would even make the 1 min mark with fedor! loledit~FR702
I completely agree with you obviously Johnboy must have never seen anything outside of the UFC and I’m not sure if he saw UFC 99 but Kongo had no ground game what so ever it was so bad it was embarrassing, and Velasquez had a great ground game but was hit a couple of times by Kongo and he looked like he had no chin. Watching that event alone should tell you that Fedor would easily beat both of them. As for Lesnar he maybe big and quick but so is Fedor and I think that Fedor has a better chance of submitting Lesnar before Lesnar has a chance to gnp/tko him. Honestly, as much as I don’t like him, the only person on johnboys list that probably stands going the distance with Fedor would be Frank Mir. But after his fight with Lesnar in 100 I could be wrong. Fedor is a machine and he has proved that over the years. This dude would wreck the Heavyweight division.
Fedor isnt big. Atleast not as far as the HW div goes.
Fedor hasn’t had a real fight since Pride folded. M-1 has made sure of that.
just the reaction i was looking for. but yeah ur right i haven’t seen much mma outside the ufc an why??? cos it sucks its like watching premiership football then watching sunday league football, hey i no fedor is one of the best but what i dont get is why he will not come to the ufc, all u fedor lovers need to wake up pull your selfs out of fedor arse have a wash and admit fedor would rather fight bums instead of top mma fighters! (and im not talking about back in pride im talkin in the last 3/4 years)
Im sorry mate, but you are wrong about the rest being Sunday League football. Mousasi is one example, Hansen, Aoki, there are quite a few fighters whose fights are great and who exist outside of the UFC. I still love the UFC, but you have to give credit to the talented fighters in other organisations. Just think of Aoki or Mousasi as Serie A or La Liga
awww football talk and I’ve been watching matches all day today, I love the game, Inter Milan v AC Milan was an entertaining game… Now Club America v Chelsea
Hope my Gunners can get their shhhit together
Gunners haven’t been good enough the last three years and then they lose one of their best players? Still not good enough for title. Will be fighting Everton, Villa, and maybe Man City for fourth.
Johnboy… You cracked me up fella.
“pull your selfs out of fedor arse have a wash and…” Have a wash? haha English humour at its best.
Regarding footie, I must be the only Englishman alive that hates that sport. Its so fake, the officiating is poor, the diving/cheating is dominating games and my country sucks at it!
You American boys should try watching Guinness Premiership Rugby Union! Now that’s a sport!!!!!
Fedor needs to bounce on M-1 and send em back to Mother Russia.
Its Fedor vs. Lesnar like true pride fc fashion! A small man vs. a giant monster! lol
but if you remember the only Pride belt that has not been unified with the ufc title is the HW… Fedor is the one who is Champ! he has to fight Lesnar first before anyone else does! those are just how things go! remember Hendo had to fight 2 champs back to back!
Gomi’s belts haven’t been unified
Fedor is just scared of the UFC. Thats all there is too it. Its excuse after excuse. If Fink sponored GSP and he was the only thing standing between him and fighting the top competition in the MMA world, GSP would head kick Fink and send him packin. They don’t want to be in the UFC. The chance is too high for Fedor to lose. Fedor hasnt fought any real comp in over 2 yrs, except Arlovski, and he was handin it to Fedor till Fedor through that blind hook. He wants nothing to do w/ the UFC.
Ok first thing first, ease up on JohnBoy, he stated his opinon and thats that, no personal attacks, awesome thx guys….
If Dana wants to know how a co~promotion with M~1 Global works out and the retarded demands they make, all he has to do is give a call to that Atencio fellow and ask him, and see how Affliction MMA/M~1Global productions are going for next saturday…. O what Affliction MMA no longer promotes MMA events you gotta be kidding me, Atencio should drop the dime on these guys and tell Dana how it worked out “co~promoting”
cheers for the back up fr, i just want fedor in the ufc where the REAL fighters are, people need to stop livein in the past yeah fedor is a great fighter but hes got some top guys he needs to come and beat b4 we can call him the best of all time
Lets be fair though FR ….. alot of the problem was simply burning the money .Rock bands performing … crazy payouts that would have been enough at half the amount given .Bad expensive plans all in all led to the end of AFFLICTION .
They should have concentrated on going places where the MMA is thin . Victoria BC has a brand new arena (could seat 7,500 for MMA show ) They would have gone APE-SH!T for a show and spent alot of money to see it . Plus 7500 tickets is more reasonable of a target to accomplish at any new MMA show than 20,000 . They have held tough man and Cage fights there before but just those small traveling shows who drum up local talent to fight their ringer gigs .
Doom how are things, been awhile…. Lets be real fair shall we, I do agree the crazy payouts to the “bignames” well has alot to do with the problems that the MMA portion of Affliction occured.. Todd Beard “former president” hasn’t help at all either, he’s one class A piece of sh!t.. Taking on M~1Global was not a smart decision, yet that is where Fedor’s managment hides the “extra money” they recieve for being a “co~promoter”…. Trust me Fedor makes wayyy more than 300,000 perfight {reported}, taking on GoldenBoy and M~1 Global as “partners” when Affliction was paying all the bills (salaries, cost of venue, CSAC cost, promoting the event etc) Affliction was paying for all that stuff and then at the end of the night they cut the profit 3 ways… That is not a smart business model, well actually that isn’t a business model at all that is just simply mad.. I could go on but I will stop here, good talking with ya DOOM
Plus they have hometown girl undefeated Sarah Kaufman who would no doubt fight
Kaufman is BAD, but she is in her contract with StrikeForce I do believe she just had it extended as well, but she would have been on “loan” probably
It would be a good place for Strikeforce to put on a show .It would sell out quickly .
That is a wonderful Idea, they were just in Kent, hhmmmmmm ya I like that Idea, is MMA sanctioned there?
Should be FR ….. They held Pride FC in Vancouver and thats just across the water . So since they are in the same province it is allowed in Victoria .
And the UFC is going to vancouver next year they annouced so …yeah its legal
its a really good Idea I think that StrikeForce having a card at that venue would be cool, especially if Kaufman were to be on it, but ya I like the idea..
Hey Fr the arena website for Victoria is http://www.sofmc.com or http://www.sofmc.ca
Holds 7000 for a hockey game so round 8000 or so for MMA or Boxing .
Some impressions from this news item and the subsequent comments are as follows:
1)when you need a job, you don’t cop an attitude and tell your perspective next employer to fly his a$$ over to your place for a sit-down.
REMEMBER, FEDOR NEEDS THE UFC FAR MORE THAN THE UFC NEEDS FEDOR.
2)I’m not sure if its a language barrier issue or what, but at some point I have to believe that Fedor isn’t being levelled with by his management. Their demands are way past unreasonable, and why in the world would the sport’s premiere MMA organization agree to co-promote with some pi$$-ant combat carnival like M-1 Global?
REMEMBER, M-1 GLOBAL ISN’T SO MUCH A REAL MMA ORGANIZATION AS IT IS FEDOR’S MANAGER PUTTING ON FIGHT CARDS AND UNDERWRITING THEM WITH FEDOR’S MONEY.
3)The Cult of Fedor nonsense needs to stop.
Seriously.
We’re trying to promote intelligent MMA-themed discourse here, so lets try to avoid the “Fedor is God”-type stuff, OK?
Objectively speaking, if Fedor couldn’t beat the one-dimensional Mirko CroCop in “under 4 minutes” as one poster put the timeframe, then how is he supposed to beat a larger, stronger opponent with superior wrestling ability like Brock Lesnar in the same timeframe?
Lesnar has regrettably rampaged thru the Ocatgon like a TRex, and Mirko has been a .500 kickboxer masquerading as an MMA fighter.
FIGHTING IN THE UFC, AND IN A CAGE, IS CLEARLY NOT THE SAME AS FIGHTING IN PRIDE, OR IN A BOXING OR PRO WRESTLING RING.
4)While it would be nice for Couture to get his long-desired shot at Fedor, it should probably come before Couture turns 50. At this current rate Couture will be collecting Social Security before Fedor mans up and signs to fight in the big show.
FEDOR’S “RELUCTANCE” TO FIGHT IN THE UFC IS STARTING TO MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE HE’S EITHER NOT IN CONTROL OF HIS OWN AFFAIRS, OR THAT HE ISN’T CONFIDENT THAT HIS JAPANESE SHOOT-FIGHTING SKILLSET WILL TRANSLATE WELL IN THE OCTAGON. NETIHER TRAIT MAKES HIM AN ATTRACTIVE ACQUISITION FOR THE UFC.
And finally, please, lets try to remember that while Fedor deserves all due respect for his military and firefighting service, his nation sport service to his home country, his many SAMBO world titles, and what he accomplished back in PRIDE, the last time Fedor took a tough fight was nearly 4 years ago, and that was against Mirko Cro Cop, and that went to a decision.
CroCop has looked pretty underhwhelming in the UFC, and while I readily admit that Fedor’s skillset will be far more successful in a cage than Mirko’s is, Fedor needs to prove himself in the UFC, maybe with a win or two against Randy Couture, as his contract stipulates, and maybe Frank Mir, before handing him a title shot.
Honestly, if Fedor stepped into the cage with Lesnar, say at the year end big card, without any sort of transition time, he’d more than likely get a serious reality check as well as catch one h*ll of a beating from Lesnar.
And Lord knows I’m no fan of the Next Big Thing, but to deny the obvious is just sort of stupid.
Yeah. What he said.
i don’t buy the fedor=god thing thank you for that.
but,
i won’t be shocked whomver wins fed or brk.
but,
fedor needs the ufc?
no. why?
he could retire today no prob.
points about his fight w. mirko under no elbows rules
(see CC vs GG)
have to be considered in proper context similar to what you said
sometimes being unstoppable in a couple of areas (see lesnar) gets the job done.
sometimes being brown belt at everything and using a mix to control the fight (see fedor), the octagon does favor brock here.
while i wont be shocked if brock trumps fedor i wont be shocked if fedor subs or outsmarts/outskills brock or out cardios him if it’s a fast fight for more than a couple of mins.
fedor has trained elbows before , and assuming he’s gonna fight caged brock like pride mirko is not worth debating.
i’d rather see them be ready and i’d like to see fedor get past someone first before trying brock out.
pointless to say but for that matter i’d prefer octagon, 10 min rnds, elbows, downed knees and soccer kicks.
fedor and brock might be better even than we know based on their previous fights too (see brock/mir one vs brock/mir 2 approach)
or see how fedor fights any of his fights totally different.
brocks advantages are obvious, fedors biggest advantage is that he is a chameleon and unlike even many top 3 fighters he doesn’t give away his strategy with stance and actions in the 1st minute or so.
machida is a karate based champ in the best weight division anywhere so dont think brock will get through fedor so easily
Beautiful, may I copy and paste that on every mma site?lol
FEDOR IS SCARED OF THE UFC”S FIGHTERS AND HE’S SCARED OF A CAGE. WHO NEEDS A CHICKEN?
FORGET Fedor and PISS OFF M-1 the UFC is fine without you…. LOOK FEDOR is great but i think he would get killed by BROCK…
FEDOR WAS GETTING HIS ASS KICKED BY Andrei Arlovski. FEDOR IS OVER RATED UNTIL HE FIGHTS IN THE UFC VS TOP FIGHTERS.
SO AGREE Jaw……
i agree to man i think carwin, mir , lesnar and maybe velasquez could take fedor
Fedor has destroyed andrei arlovski with a single right punch.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x857mb_fedor-vs-andrei-arlowski-affliction_sport
He has humiliated Tim Silvia
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x66r12_emilianenko-fedor-vs-tim-silvia_sport
He has defeated Semmy Schilt, Nogueira, Coleman, Randleman…
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8762652198751834650
Just to put your post into proper perspective, deuginthesky, Andrei Arlovski has lost to Tim Sylvia, TWICE. He has also lost to Pedro Rizzo and Ricco Rodriguez.
Also, the only reason AA is still able to walk and chew gum at the same time is because Big John McCarthy thankfully stepped in and stopped Brett Rogers from treating him like a heavybag in full public view.
These are not exactly Hall of Fame candidates we’re talking about here.
Tim Sylvia, in spite of Fedor’s efforts, did a far better job of humiliating HIMSELF in a “contest” with a retired boxer named Ray Mercer than Fedor did of humiliating him, and frequently looked like he was about to cry when he was getting punished in the Octagon by Randy Couture, a much smaller and older man than himself.
As far as Nog, Coleman, and Randleman are concerned, aren’t those wins like 3 or 4 years old?
And Semmy Schlit?
Really?
That was 2002, so please, lets try to stay both relevent and current on this thing, ok?
If you’re a Fedor supporter thats fine and all, but I try to keep things grounded here at the frenzy for all concerned.
lol your awesome man, completely agree with everythin you’ve been sayin in this post
i think that ray mercer fight was probably the biggest upset and most disgraceful loss in tims carrer and he will always be seen as “pretty sad” because of it, arlovski is in a simaler situation but not nearly as extreme.
It has not been Fedor’s fault that he will not sign the completely one sided contracts he has been offered so far. The UFC is too used to pushing fighters around and playing school yard bully. That is fine with rookies but Fedor has Earned the right for the UFC to come to him and not the other way around. He has nothing to prove and has shown that he is willing to wait until the UFc desides to FINALLY create a decent contract/offer.
See Fedor’s quote from the interview below:
Fedor’s interview: “I never met Dana White, never spoke to him on the phone, never exchanged e-mails. However, I did read a lot on the Internet about what he said in regard to me and Vadim. I also read e-mails that he sent to Vadim; all of his correspondence was very upsetting. The contract that we were presented with by the UFC was simply impossible, couldn’t be signed, I couldn’t leave. If I won, I had to fight eight times in two years. If I lost one fight, then the UFC had the right to rip up the contract. At the conclusion of the contract, if I am undefeated, then it automatically extends for an as yet unspecified period of time, though for the same compensation. Basically I can’t leave undefeated. I can’t give interviews, appear in films or advertising. I don’t have the right to do anything without the UFC’s agreement. I could do nothing without the OK from the UFC. I didn’t have the right to compete in combat sambo competition. It’s my national sport. It’s the Russian sport, which I no longer have the right compete in. There were many such clauses; the contract was 18 pages in length. It was written in such a way that I had absolutely no rights while the UFC could at any moment, if something didn’t suit them, tear up the agreement. We worked with lawyers who told us that it was patently impossible to sign such a document.” -Fedor E.
Btw, I really doubt Brock or Randy could make it pasted big Nog without getting submitted (who Fedor has already beat twice).
Awww, John, and here I thought we’d gotten you all sorted out yesterday, but I suppose not.
First off, when we’re discussing things FACTUALLY, anecdotal testiimony by one of the principals of the discussion isn’t exactly proof positive. Maybe if you’d posted a link to the emails themselves, instead of another whining Fedor quote about how “Mr Dana is mean bald Amerikanski man”, you’d get more traction here at the frenzy.
Second, no contract is “one sided” when you’re talking about putting millions of dollars into a fighters hands for fighting.
If Fedor wins, he keeps his job. If he loses, he’s free to fu<k off back to Bolgorod and take his 34 man posse with him, OR, the promotion has the option to cut him some slack and let him try his hand again.
How is that unfair?
Not to mention we dispelled the SAMBO myth as a contract deterrent on multiple occasions, so please lets dispense with any more of that noise.
Third, I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but are you trying to say that neither Randy Couture or Brock Lesnar can defeat BigNog?
Well, Couture and Nog will settle that matter in protland at UFC 102, for which I will be in attendence.
As for Brock Lesnar, who 3 weeks ago handily defeated Frank Mir, who in turn had handily defeated BigNog at UFC 92, your logic, if there is any, escapes me.
Age may in fact finally catch up with Couture, but Lesnar would overwhelm BigNog the same way he did Frank Mir, considering as how they have very similiar skillsets and size.
If Mir couldn't hook and submit Lesnar a second time, then neither can BigNog.
Once again, John, I respectfully suggest you do your research before posting here at the frenzy. This is a big boy site, and not a fan boy site.
Unfortunately for you your obvious passion for the sport far outweighs your knowledge of it.
Just because Lesnar beat Mir and Mir beat BigNog, doesn’t mean that Lesnar can necessarily beat BigNog. You can’t apply transitivity here. BigNog could still beat Lesnar. It’s possible.
Moreover, I find your tone very condescending.
George, I’m far less interested in “tone” and concern myself primarily with facts.
Also George, you’re coming late to this particular party. Yesterday John posted some, lets call it eccentric to keep it polite, comments here, and was corrected on several points by posters who have a world of MMA knowledge.
I am not including myself in that group, however I did suggest that John check his facts before posting comments based on information that in some cases was flat-out wrong.
In my time here I do my level best to keep things rooted in whats actually happening, and what can actually be proven.
If you want to think its impossible to compare fighters, fighting styles, and performances against common opponents thats your right.
Meanwhile, the rest of us will get on with the business of discussing actual MMA matters if you don’t mind…
we’ll see about that buddy
You’ve posted this alleged interview with Fedor twice now, 1. I would personally like a link so I can go to the source site and see it for myself. 2. I sort of believe that, as OT1 states below, there is a possibility of Fedor’s management being less than honest about the contract stipulations. If it’s an 18 page contract, that’s a lot to have to translate form English to Russian, which can lose a lot in translation, and then for the lawyer to translate from “legalese” to plain Russian.
crazy americans…
Fedor’s interview: “I never met Dana White, never spoke to him on the phone, never exchanged e-mails. However, I did read a lot on the Internet about what he said in regard to me and Vadim. I also read e-mails that he sent to Vadim; all of his correspondence was very upsetting. The contract that we were presented with by the UFC was simply impossible, couldn’t be signed, I couldn’t leave. If I won, I had to fight eight times in two years. If I lost one fight, then the UFC had the right to rip up the contract. At the conclusion of the contract, if I am undefeated, then it automatically extends for an as yet unspecified period of time, though for the same compensation. Basically I can’t leave undefeated. I can’t give interviews, appear in films or advertising. I don’t have the right to do anything without the UFC’s agreement. I could do nothing without the OK from the UFC. I didn’t have the right to compete in combat sambo competition. It’s my national sport. It’s the Russian sport, which I no longer have the right compete in. There were many such clauses; the contract was 18 pages in length. It was written in such a way that I had absolutely no rights while the UFC could at any moment, if something didn’t suit them, tear up the agreement. We worked with lawyers who told us that it was patently impossible to sign such a document.” -Fedor E.
Btw, I really doubt Brock or Randy could make it pasted big Nog without getting submitted (who Fedor has already beat twice).
Link or GTFO.
Alright ppl have to learn to put themselves in Fedor’s shoes. Let’s not think about what we want for a second.
The man has had a great run, he could have retired years ago as easily as he could today. Lets say you went out to get a new job as say a welder. You’ve welded all your life and have always had freedom to do what you wanted. Now you apply for this job that says you can’t do anything for hobbies, and you cannot leave their buisness untill they see fit. Would kinda suck wouldn’t it. On the other hand you can get a job elsewhere that dosen’t pay as much (even though money is not a big issue) but you go in and do your thing and then your done.
Fedor has already expressed that he does not have an interest in going down as “the best in the world”. He’s never considered himself to be the best. All this has been things ppl have labeled him. He did not choose it. So now we want Fedor to go to the UFC so WE can prove to OURSELVES that he is/is not the best. Fedor on the other hand dosen’t care. All he wants is to be remembered as “a nice guy”.
Some ppl want to be the best and thats fine. Fedor does this because of his love for the sport and he can use his talent to make money.
I would love to see Fedor in the UFC but I understand why he would not want to sign the contract. I also relize that Fedor’s mangement are asking for some things that the UFC would be stupid to agree to.
Some of you come off as being very uneducated on the matter and MMA as a whole. I’m sure fedor doesn’t go to bed at night upset that ppl are saying he is afaird of the UFC.
Well said Kyle
i agree with what ur saying i think the ufc should send their fighter to him they are basicly trying to rent fedor for their own entertainment but fedor still shouldnt act like hes better
imo fedor shouldnt get an immediate title shot if he does come over. give him carwin. why, because carwin is similar to brock in every aspect, except carwin has one punch ko power. while fedor may be more talented than brock, mir was as well. what did brock do? he took mir down and destroyed his face. you fedor lovers actually think the smaller fedor is going to stop brock’s takedowns? seriously. thats like saying a kitty cat will stop a 18 wheeler going 65. it aint gonna happpen. be real guys. also i am no way a brock supporter, i am a carwin supporter.
who the helll does Finkelchtein think he is? why should dana and co go to fedor’s place of choosing? the UFC is doing fine without him/M-1, last time i checked the UFC hasnt cancelled a show. fedor’s management is the reason he wont be in the ufc. and i agree with a previous post [jcohl] i believe said it, the ufc should give fedor a contract offer, and he is either going to sign or he doesnt. its his last chance. im tired of this fedor crapp. the ufc’s heavyweight division is starting to take off, and there is loads of talent out there that would provide for better matchups than some guy who arm-bars grizzly bears, and is drago’s[from one of the rocky movies] big brother.
If I could take one dude and put him in his prime days against Lesnar it would be Mark Kerr .
Nice call!
m-1 and Vladim seems to be like a bunch of whiners scared to lose relevance in the world – enough with the BS already, give up Fedor before he becomes a an ornament and a footnote in history – a nobody, just because the M-1 boys have their heads up ther asses.
It’s now or never and no it is not you but the UFC who holds the cards – the fans can wait for someone else.
well maybe I was wrong
Thanks Kyle and George, Well put!
And That is a hellish one sided contract. No interviews, no advertising (which can pay better than the UFC if he becomes a big thing here in the US), if he goes undefeated (which he has show he might do) he has to sign up for another term auto with no re-negotiations of pay. The UFC needs a Union like other sports(!) because only a no name or an idiot or someone who feels they NEED the UFC would sign something like that. Honestly. Kyle is right, in fedor’s shoes he would love to fight current UFC ppl (he has beat 6-7 former champs many of which are brocks age, younger, or just a few older and many of which are now finding themselves back in the UFC fights) he just needs the UFC to give a little which I really beleive is something they are not used to doing (their exclusivity and circus antics is what has made them so powerful).
I love fights and I respect fighters so I like to see them treated well (many many conplain about the UFC) and I wish the UFC would just put fedor in there b/c he it would not take much on their part in my opinion. What it would take is the UFC to make some concessions that I think they would really like to avoid so other fighters do not start demanding them (slipperly slop when you run a growing corperation).
Kyle said it best, if you have not read it already go back up there and read his post. And jcol you post like your a pretty insecure person but if it gets your rocks off to respond like your talking to kids go ahead, I know I’ve got a pair and don’t really care (especially as you make little sense – mir beat nog when he was very sick right before, mir also beat brock, nog is better [in my opinion ppl] at submissions than mir and [again my opion] nog has shown he can take a beating while waiting for those match ending holds [look at nog vs fedor fights] I think nog has a better chin than mir and I don’t think brock can slip holds from nog like fedor does. But jcol, we’ll let the randy – nog fight settle part of this if you don’t mind [randy is likely better against nogs style than brock's style is anyhow].
john – I’m always happy to let the fighters settle their matters n the ring. I’ve previously stated that if BigNog returns to full health, he’ll most likely beat Couture. After all, age catches up with al of us, even the Natural.
However if BigNog’s lackluster performance against Frank Mir was not just illnes, but also simply a matter of BigNog having been in too many wars and having taken too many beatings, win or lose, the look for Couture to Captain America his way to another win.
And John, one of the guidelines of this forum is to avoid personal attacks, so I’ll be more than happy to let your less relevent and off-topic comments slide.
And in the future, I’m going to let you do what Brock Lesnar now does.
He makes my points for me better than I ever could. Some of the positions you take in your posts are puzzling, and then you re-iterate those positions even when you’ve been informed of the facts by posters who know what they are talking about.
Remember, even opinions have to be based on something concrete and factual, and not, “well Fedor said…”
This is an open forum, so please feel free to continue illustrating your unfamilirity with MMA in general and the UFC in particular as you see fit.
“Moreover, I find your tone very condescending.” – george
I never made any personal attacks, I just made an obsevation about your style like the above poster. It seems like anyone who does not see things your way is not educated enough to comment or a “big boy” (as you ‘nicely’ lol put it. You talked down to a poster above my 1st one and then jumped on mine addressing me “personally”. I understand insecurity as it seem the other posters do as well so if you wanna look that way, fine by me
How-ever my point of this post, which pesonally is addressed to yours was to me is PLEASE be a big boy and don’t try and play the “victem” card while talking down to others you know nothing about. If I am an MMA genius then it would be silly to address mine an others posts that way; if I’m an MMA noob then posts to me should be informative not condescending. So either way, practise at communication can go a long way. As stated earlier it your toine does not bother me (although trying to then play the victem after starting on my with such a tone and whine about personal attacks does
it is very un-”big boy” like.
Anyhow as I’ve been baited off topic I’ll cease posting on this thread as well and let you have the last word and mods do as they wish. Sorry to any folks bothered by my side rant, I’ll self punish myself my exiting the tread so more productive banter can continue.
parting words:
And I don’t think Fedor has any reason to lie or mislead in his above quote on the contract negotiations (nor has White to my knowledge ever denied any of the above points spoecifically when asked). Fedor talks pretty strait no matter what his “handlers” are like. And my occupation has my messing with contracts all the time, I’d love to use ones as onesided as Fedor described so I do not blame the UFC if they can or have gotten away with such in the past. My whole point is don’t blame fedor’s side as being difficult or scared for not moving on contracts like that. I would never touch such a contract if his shoes for a big check while the UFC makes a bigger check and has you ‘by the balls’. Peace jcol, cya around.
OK guys I respect your arguments and as always there are two sides to every story… I’m not going to edit your comments (as of now) but please as always NO PERSONAL ATTACKS and by all means guys feel free to continue this pretty good debate, most points have been made intelligently good times gents…
FR702
Apologies on my part for allowing things to get out of hand.
In the future I’ll afford John the same latutide as I afford everyone else, regardless of position or factuality.
It was so much to read through but pretty much every thing has almost been said. Thats what happens when you post late after working I guess.
I too assumed that Fedor wasn’t fairly told all the details by his company/Mobb/Friends/Lawyers/30 some odd crew/M-1 mgt…. {Sorta like Rampage mgt told him the UFC didn’t want him when he fought in that other org. before coming to UFC}
But if Fedor did read over the contract and didn’t like the terms hey maybe that’s – that.
If both party’s can come to different terms hey who knows.
As far as Fedor getting an Immediate title shot. Hey Dan Henderson did twice. Sooooo hey. Sorry for not knowing but has FEDOR ever fought in a Octagon before??????
As far as Fedor Crushing everyone I doubt that seriously. Times have changed. UFC has different rules and a different set of fighters who aren’t {are not} so one dimensional.
THE Kongo issue… He had 3 weeks or so to prepare for that Cain Velasquez fight. He did however beat the H3ll outta Mirco cro cop, Sooooo it aint like this guy is a push over by far! ANNDDDD fought his last 3 fights all in a 6 months time period!!!! So basicly he fought 4 times in less than a year!!!! Dude does not suck at all. Yes he is beatable but so is FEDOR! oh my god i said it aaaa forgive me I HAVE SINNED!!
LASTLY what is up with all the insults and anger here lately????? Good grief, why get mad or angry over a fighter who doesn’t even know your name?? Or wants too??? True we all get UP and HYPE over sports but dont insult people over a fighter especially over the computer screen.. UNREAL.. Instead do two things
1. State your point and move on
OR
2. Start a fight club underground and tell us all where to met up and
we all settle our personal beef’s ehh! Ex. Me and Jazzok,MK4 have
Avator beef {must be settled immediately!!} Me and Fr702 got some
serious Dugeon family & Outcast catching up to do!!! and so on.
trying to keep it light hearted fella’s thats all i’m doing. This site is far to respectable and cool!
This site is far too respectable and cool for POINTLESS {PERSONAL ATTACKS}
OT1,
Look at this guy…. Have you memberized yourself yet?
I don’t have any D&D to F~ing talk with you not anymore especially after last time I know you remember…!! di*k but anyways the personal attacks have been watched over by the posters recently soo we are good on that, but honestly I don’t get the reason of even doing it…. I can’t believe that you read all that stuff, good on ya
I read it all too :/
What up Fr and J-dawg
Yeah my eyes hurt from reading it all honestly!
And no I have yet to memberize my self I’m sorry I’m lazy and I will honestly do it tomorrow!!
OK OT1 and the org that your looking for that ZUFFA bought to aquire Quinton “Rampage” Jackson and Lyoto “The Dragon” Machida was called World Fighting Alliance (WFA) just a heads up my man
dude!! want this deal too happen already!! i know fedor would kill lesnar
Why does everyone say fedor hasn’t fought anyone recently? Brock has a much less impressive resume. He’s 1-1 against Frank Mir. Sorry, but because the dude coached on the reality show and beat Big Nog, that doesn’t mean he’s great. He still got beat by Vera in 1:09, and Vera gains weight to fight at 205. Let’s see, he beat Randy, great MMAer, but a little washed up. He couldn’t finish Sylvia in 25 minutes, who is your sole argument for why Fedor sucks. At least Fedor finished him. Let’s see, Brock has also fought Heath Herring, good fighter, but he’s not on the level that you are trying so hard to place Brock on. Fedor may not walk through Brock, but I believe the UFC diehards that seem to eat-sleep-and-dream about how big Brock Lesnar is and how wonderful a saint he is, well, he would/will be finished again if fedor comes to the UFC. I’m hot wings and that’s what I think.
Umm…Mir snapped Sylvia’s arm in half less than a minute into the first round. Brock has never fought Sylvia. Oh, I get it, you meant Randy and you’re trying to pick the weak points of someone’s career…
Let’s look at Fedor’s:
1. Was losing to Lindland, a middleweight, until he grabbed the ropes to avoid the slam.
2. Decisioned Cro Cop
3. Decisioned Babalu, a middleweight/light heavyweight
4. Hong Man Choi (who was rocked by a Canseco overhand right) and Zuluzinho – Nuff Said
5. Took 10 minutes to defeat the same Heath Herring you slammed in your post
Not looking so “clearly” number 1 to me, champ.
I’d much rather have dbiz handling the Fedor and Fedor supporter situations than myself.
When I try to be nice, and explain certain things, I get some kid telling me about how he’s “got a pair” and so on.
When dbiz corrects someone, they tend to stay corrected.
Respect.
Thanks for the input. it really helps. Ok a little sarcasm. All I’m trying to say is that neither of these fighters have been tested recently in a way that should lead people to believe they are in fact unbeatable. Fedor hasn’t fought the stiffest competition recently and contrary to what you may think, neither has Brock Lesnar. You think he would destroy Fedor, and I think otherwise. Until Fedor signs withe the UFC, these claims are just speculation and personal opinion. So, as much as you value my opinion, I do the same for yours.
Dana should do whatever it takes to get fedor in the octagon. It’s like having kobe bryant or sidney crosby play in some bush league instead of the NBA or NHL. If the UFC is playing the role of the #1 MMA association, then he needs to bring the #1 MMA fighters to the table.
UFC will have to drown Fedor with cash
if they want an exclusive contract
one thing ive noticed with all this M-1 debate and fedor is this. maybe fedor’s management [M-1, frankenstien] are kind of pulling a don king on fedor. maybe fedor doesnt understand everything that is going on and maybe his management is taking 75% of his money he makes or something. i know he could care less according to quotes people have put that he said, but still. thats the one main reason i think his management is demanding so much, maybe all their demands are for themselves. its really sad but thats what don king has done to his fighters. he made more than they did. at least according to multiple reports i read when i followed boxing many moons ago.
If Fedor gets a special contract, UFC is setting a precedent for future negotiations that will hurt their business. Nevertheless, the UFC contracts are ‘oppressive,’ but starting with what is best for your group and working to a middle ground is part of any negotiation. If Fedor cracks the UFC contract template, it may hurt their business to have him, not help.
99% of us want to see Fedor fight in the UFC win or lose, but Fedor is not getting younger and his skills/speed will not last this needs to happen soon. I’m sure many of us want the fight to see if he is the best, and put the debate to rest.
Dana’s reasoning for signing Fedor are sincere and legitimate (fans want it); whether he believes Fedor will win or not, he knows it will be a big draw. Fedor must fight for the belt in his first fight, because otherwise they would significantly hurt their big PPV opportunity.
If Lesner and others can make 3Mil + a fight, then Fedor can make a significant amount of money too. The advertising … is all stuff that can be worked out, however there is no clear party who needs a deal done more that than the other party, so when you ignore all of the posturing by both parties and look at the core ‘deal breakers,’ this is still only 50-50 to happen.
I hope they prove me wrong.
Nice post, the thing is that this is simply a business decision at this point, and I believe that Fedor will be allowed to fight competetive Sambo within his own country, yet the kick in the arse is that M~1 Global wishes to co~promote with the UFC or they have no chance of signing Fedor.. Are these Finkie’s wishes or the 50% owner of M~1 Global Fedor’s wishes? Seeing how M~1 Global is a seperate entity from the fighter known as Fedor, who wants a contract from the UFC Fedor or M~1 Global, IF Fedor wishes to fight in the UFC than he should be sitting down for a negotiations not his company M~1 Global, I have no doubt that Dana and the Brothers Fertitta would pay Fedor 3+million a fight but I highly doubt that they will give away part of their company’s profit margin to another org that just so happens to be back financially by Fedor and ran by Vladim, just doesn’t make any business logic imo….
I dont think it cracks a contract template by signing Fedor to non-exclusive.
All Dana would have to say is: “Fight 32 times against top level competition (sobral, nog, crocop, hunt, etc) and don’t get ko, tko, subbed in any of your fights and I’ll give you a Fedor contract.”
Maybe 1 or 2 people in the next 20 years do that well…
fedor vs lesnar = fedor via kneebar (after training in siberia with zangief to get an equal sized sparring partner)
Onlytrue1,
Wat up dude! I’m sure after thiago puts it on keith, our avatar beef will be squashed!
Everything has already been said. Fedor wants to keep competing and i seriously can’t think of a place that will satisfy his hunger as a fighter and hunger to be the best figher other than the ufc. We’ll see what happens dude.
Jazz!!!
Yeah man thiaNO {thiago} gonna get beat by keith the gate keeper jardine baby! WATCH!! WATCH!!Picture it, See it, Know it, Believe it!!
We gotta discuss who the changed avatars will be! I actually forgot how 2 change it! But i doubt i need to anyway!!!!
I believe the only guys to still have their orginal avatars since i’ve been posting here is Me & Fr702 i think!
Honestly alot of these posts are really sad. There is so much speculation going on and everyone is cutting down eachothers throats. I respect the fact that the UFC is the best organization out there, but people also need to respect the fact that Fedor is one of (if not, then the) the best heavyweights on the planet. I really dig this site, but it seems too many people here are UFC fans first, MMA second. They’re just the organization, not the sport.
Hello Figs good to see you, hope all is well!!
I think Fedor is a top competitor, but he hasn’t faced anyone recently to live up to that billing. I also think he’s running out of quality competition outside of the UFC. Not that the UFC have all the best, Rogers and Overheem are both looking like top fighters these days as well, but outside of that I have my questions (excepting of course Barnett… but it looks like that’s never going to happen).
I think it’s quite hard for North Americans to understand Fedor. He’s Russian, and of course in the States, booing, cussing and bullying gets the job done, most of the time, and when it doesn’t – money does. Russians aren’t like that. We’re not really into peer pressure and we don’t much need anyone’s advice.
If Fedor wasn’t that good, no one would be talking about him now, and there would not be so many News articles in google about him. He is good, is he the best? Now, yes. Tomorrow maybe now, maybe he will lose. That’s ok. However there is no need to be jaelous and bitter.
Royce Gracie was great too, in his time, virtually unbeatable. Everyone loses, but fighters must command respect of fans and not be called bad names etc,. Of course when you compare Brock to Fedor, Brock has no class and no manners and honestly, he’s not very sportmanlike, but he’s a fighter, I respect that. Fedor on the hand, has manners, is not cocky, and doesn’t give a crap about showing off.
I think that most complaints about Fedor are not necessarily with Fedor himself, and certainly not his character (manners, honesty sportsmanship). The most common complaints I see are that he has not faced top competition, and the people that make up his management are a bit questionable.
From what I’ve seen of Fedor as a person, I like him, and what I’ve seen of him fighting, he is very good. I just want his management to slow their role a bit and do right by Fedor’s legacy. If he never fights for the UFC that will put a huge question mark on his career, the “what if…?” factor. He will go down as one of the best, but there will always be people to question that for his not fighting in the UFC. If he fights in the UFC and continues to dominate into retirement, IMO there can be no questions about his legacy.
I dont see how there could be a huge question mark. He’s beaten big names. Just because he hasnt beaten flavor-of-the-month in UFC, you cant deny the talent that he’s beaten in the past.
I wish somebody would put their money where their mouth is and show us the contract. I’d love to see if Fedor / Vadim are being untruthful and the contract is legit…or if Dana is seriously trying to lock Fedor in to the worst possible contract.
I tend to believe Fedor…look what happened to Fitch when he wouldnt allow his likeness to be used in the UFC game…all of a sudden he went from losing to GSP for the title to being in the undercards. Dana White is good at business, but i have no doubt that he is at least Satan’s 2nd cousin.
*about Fitch
Zac go back and look at that card please seriously do it… The reason why Fith/Gono fight was on the undercard was simply because their fight was going to a decision (had it written all over it) Lyoto suprised everyone by ko’ing Thiago but most people thought that would go to a decision too… You have to have enough time alotted for a PPV and if you add up the fights that went to decision and the time, there was no room for his fight to be on the “main card”, which was stacked…. So in turn his fight became the “swing” bout, his “punishment” for not wanting to sign the contract and listening to Zinkin Entertainment (instead of seeing the contract himself) was his arse got fired… The HE reviewed the contract and o my signed it and all is well…
gotta go
The question mark comes from the fact that some of the “big names” he beat in Pride haven’t done so well in the UFC, and there are several good fighters in the UFC he would have never faced. (Randy, Brock, Carwin, Mir).
In regards to who’s being difficult, etc., in this contract negotiation process, Aleksander Emelianenko was asked in an interview with a Russian website about the dealings with the UFC and had this to say, “You can deal with UFC, I know that they have flexible contract system. All these talks about “strict” contract terms with signing with UFC, come ONLY from Vadim Finkelstein, who wants to push his owns business projects through Fedor’s fights.”
While that is an interesting quote from one of Fedor’s cloest relatives, i still consider it a “He said, she said” type of situation.
the best way to expose a liar is to show what was presented.
i feel bad for whoever beats fedor. the russian mob might try to kill them. no wonder fedor is undefeated. ha i figured out the secret of the century…..[this is a joke, dont take it personally people!]
I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE RUSSIAN MOB…
ok I’ve stayed out of this topic for the most part because while I am a Fedor fan I am also a realistic Fedor fan. So pretty much I get it like tito’s wife used to(from both sides). I will say this though just reading the article and thinking of a movie quote from earlier gave me the perfect way to sum up how I feel about Fedor ever appearing in the UFC regardless of who is the bigger ahole in the negotiations…
“I’ll believe [that] when me sh1t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.”