Report: Wanderlei Silva vs. Michael Bisping at UFC 105 (updated)
Update: Silva’s manager says a fight against Bisping has not yet been discussed, with Wanderlei preferring to fight next in February. [LINK]
A middleweight showdown between Wanderlei Silva and Michael Bisping is reportedly in the works to headline UFC 105, which takes place on November 14 in Manchester, England.
The rumored fight was first reported on Thursday by MMABay, which is one of the sponsors of The Wolfslair where Bisping trains, citing sources close to Silva’s camp in Las Vegas.
The former PRIDE champion Silva (32-10-1) has won just once in his last six fight and has a 1-3 UFC record since returning to the Octagon in late-2007. “The Axe Murderer” ended his PRIDE career with back-to-back losses to Mirko “Cro Cop” and Dan Henderson before returning to the UFC with a loss to Chuck Liddell. After a 38-second knockout of Keith Jardine, Silva has dropped two-straight to Quinton Jackson, and, most-recently in June, Rich Franklin. If confirmed, the fight would be Silva’s first at 185-pounds after previously fighting primarily in the 205-pound light heavyweight division.
Bisping (17-2) won 14-straight fights to begin his career, including UFC victories over Josh Haynes, Eric Schafer, Elvis Sinosic, and Matt Hamill, before suffering his first career loss to Rashad Evans in late-2007. The UK-star then dropped to middleweight, where he won three-straight over Charles McCarthy, Jason Day, and Chris Leben, before battling fellow-contender earlier this month at UFC 100, where he suffered a brutal second-round knockout loss.
UFC 105, which takes place at the MEN Arena in Manchester, is also slated to include UK fighters James Wilks and Ross Pearson, welterweight and lightweight winners on The Ultimate Fighter 9, as well as Terry Etim and is rumored to air for free in the US on Spike TV.
For the latest UFC 105 rumors check out the MMAFrenzy.com UFC rumors section.
[Pictured: Wanderlei Silva]
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Bisping really has a death wish doesn’t he?
Gotta give him cred for trying to step into the big leagues again, even if he is still playing T-ball.
hahahahahaha great
YES!!! thank you joe silva!!! here is a fight that everyone wants to see. little micheal bisping has got to be shaking in his dirty redcoat boots! i wonder how much sheet he will be talking after he gets knocked out this time?
I’m with you guys! Bisping definately has his work cut out for him in this fight. Now that wanderlei did his test cut in the franklin fight, i’m posotive he’ll be ready for
285185 come 105. The only think bisping will have going in this fight is the fact that he’s fighting at home other than that, wanderlei will hunt him down like hendo did and make it a long night for michael “down for the count” bisping. Damn i’m hella excited dude. Wanderlei’s hungry! He’s hungry for some victims and this fight will not go to decision. Thanks to joe silva for putting this one together.Edit~FR702
FR can i get you to edit my post from now on?
Nope
FR702
Michael Bisping is a
little bi*ch(come on Marvel), “i want to fight in front of my supporters, win then get a rematch with Dan Henderson”. Everytime someone like Bisping loses they always are quick to make excuses,”i wasn’t myself, i made a lot of mistakes….”, Bisping is not a true fighter, he only wants to fight in the UK and he only “performs well” when he has home field advantage, that’s kinda sad and he still considers himself to be one of the best?I honestly feel tha Wanderlei was robbed against Franklin, he did more damage and pushed the pace a lot more, Franklin fought waayy more cautious and never once tried to finish the fight….anyway i hope that Wanderlei can make it 2 for 2 with Bisping getiing ko’d, it would be awesome if Wanderlei gives an early Christmas gift and ko’s Bisping in his hometown, it can’t get better than that
Wanderlei has to win this fight. He already lost his aspirations for a run at the 205 title, but if he beats Bisping he can possibly get a top contender at 185 and have new life for a run at the
815185 title.I don’t think that Bisping is good enough or man enough to hang with what Wanderlei always brings to his fights. Wanderlei is going to come in hungry for a win and hungry to fu*k someone up. Bisping doesn’t have good enough stand-up to finish Wanderlei and sure as hell doesn’t have the killer instinct that Silva does. I see Bisping getting either ko’d, tko’d or just throwing in the towell. this fight will not go to decision, Wanderlei always comes in to get knocked out or to knock someone out and Bisping for damn sure isn’t going to score a ko.
Wanderlei by ko in the 1st or 2nd for sure.
edit~FR702
Yes! i can’t wait Wanderlei BY KO round 1.
marvel, i agree with you on the fight with wanderlei and rich franklin i was pretty sure wanderlei won that. i also think rich beat henderson in there fight to.
You sure talk a lot of mess about someone who could rape you in front of your mother and have her begging for more. He’s a bi*ch, really? Cuz I’m 99.33245% certain he would take you apart without breaking a sweat…
Regarding this fight… Everyone is so certain Wandy will skate through Bisping. Just like everyone was so certain he’d skate through Rampage again. And everyone was certain he’d have no problems with Liddell. Or Franklin.
Yeah, he’s a good fighter, but he’s on a hell of a cold streak lately. Counting Bisping out because he got knocked out by a hell of a fighter is ridiculous. No one can give a reason for hating on Bisping besides “He talks too much s*it” or “He’s the British poster boy” or “He’s over-rated.” Incidentally, that last argument seems to be free game for any fighter one doesn’t like…
He’s beaten everyone put before him except Hendo and Rashad. Losses to the former UFC lhw champ and Den Henderson don’t make someome a bad fighter, so what is it with you people? I mean, Hell…usually losing 5 out 6 and in their 30s is enough for you people to call for a fighter to retire.
At least be consistent, you posers.
I respect your defence but you seriously have a temper on here and need to calm down man.
Well sparky, you are correct Bisping may end up winning this fight he definatly has the opportunity, but really when has Bisping been impressive? play the devils advocate I’m good with it, you do have a point…
dbiz,
it’s not worth commenting about you defending Bispig but i sure as hell can take you out with my eyes closed
dbiz,
everyone knows that the real first guy to beat Bisping is Matt Hamill. It’s not that we just hate Bisping, he talks crap about a lot of fighters who have a coomplished way more than he ever will, he walks around like if he’s already a 1st ballad Hall Of Famer, makes excuses every time he has lost and YES always wants things his way, he’s always demanding to fight in his hometown because he can only win when the crowd is on his side.
1) Ballot, not ballad. He ain’t singing his way in, no matter what.
2) You taking me out isn’t the issue, since I’m not calling anyone a bi*ch. Stay on point.
3) All fighters talk s*it about how they will win before every fight, and half of them don’t back it up. Bisping hasn’t backed it up twice. Wandy hasn’t backed it up 10 times. Both have managed to not back it up half the time by KO/tKO, half by decision. Just saying.
fr702,
dude my fault, honeslty, that’s not like me dude so i won’t do it again.
dbiz,
stay on topic??, your the one saying that Bisping “will rape me in front of my mom”, anyway yeah both Wanderlei and Bisping don’t back up the talk, but Wanderlei fights whoever wherever, Bisping doesn’t.
Guys have at it, I don’t mind you arguing.. No personal attacks, ease up on the bashing, prove points enjoy….
FR702
Bisping sux.He doesn’t have the power or the chin to hang w/ the top fighters and Henderson showed that. He lost to Hamill, the judges mad a mistake on that one. Henderson was his most legit fighter in his career. Rashad was still improving at the time they fought. If they were to fight now, haha, it would not be close at all. Ya Wandy is cold but he has been fighting legit fighters in that cold streak. Bisping wouldn’t be on a cold streak too if he fought the likes of Liddell, Rampage and Franklin. Quit jockin him and be realistic. Bisping doesnt have the chin or power to hang. He’s very technical, but if u can’t hurt ur opponent, it doesnt matter. Wandy via TKFO.edit~FR702
just an example of bashing
No point trying to defend Bisping here man, they’ll never give a decent reason for hating on him other than the ‘he’s a douche’ ‘he talks trash’, blah blah blah.
The Hamill thing is nearly two years old now, and he’s apologised for acting like a d*ck every time it’s brought up.
Not much else to go with other than the keyboard warriors are trying to bury the fact his Team won TUF 9.
bigmouth,
I don’t care for Bisping because he is simply overrated, I have always stated that I don’t think that he has a well rounded skill set, he is a TUF winner and that stands for something but he isn’t evolving what so ever.. I could care less that his “team” won TUF season 9 and did so in good fashion, but that isn’t an attack on the Brits or Bisping.. Does he act like a “douche” ya perhaps but he is a young and cocky guy and well he mouths off a bit, I do think that he should have had a bit more more respect for Hendo but that isn’t who he is so be it… What more can I say I don’t hate the guy just think that he should work on his game and then talk some shhhhit… And people still talking about Hamill v Bisping as a bad call is ok in my book even the Brits that come to the site said it was a bad call…. Hey I can bring up on how I feel LiL Nog got jobbed against Shogun if you want…
back to the fight:
I’m not taking anything away from Bisping(even though it sounds like that), he has improved his game,has gotten in better physical form, but he hasn’t faced elite competitin until Henderson. I’m not sure he will show Wanderlei something he hasn’t seen before, Wanderlei has lots of experience in not only fighting elite world class competition, but has been in the main even fights most of his career and i feel that will play a factor when he fights Bisping. Bisping will be in front of his people so he’ll be comfortable, but he’s not so good when someone is pushing the pace on him. To be fair it wouldn’t be easy for any fighter at 185 to go from fighting someone like Chris Leben to fighting Dan Henderson, especially in a huge event like UFC 100.
Wanderlei must be hungry to beat someone down after dropping two fights. If you look at his history he always comes back strong when his back is against the wall. One advantage that Bisping will have is Wanderlei’s weak chin and his recklesness, Bisping is more of a technical fighter than Wanderlei and should use that to his advantage because he’s going to need all the help he can get when Wanderlei attacks with those bombs he throws. I still see Wanderlei taking this one, even though Wanderlei has a weak chin, Bisping still doesn’t have knock out power.
Talking about being consistent.. you’re the same guy that rags on Fedor for “not having fought anyone” yet he has only a single loss?
Common man.. your looking goofy here
Vinz_Clortho,
dude where do you get your info from? I never rag on Fedor, i’m one of the few guys that defends him, look back and do some research before you talk.
Not to put anyone on “blast” but I believe that VinZ was talking to DbiZ, yet I could be totally wrong..
Vinz_Clortho,
my mistake
HOLY EFF! Be careful of what you wish for Bisping. This is going to be straight up brutal. Good night Micheal Bisping.
Well this crazy, mind you it is “reported by mmabay” sooo ya there is that.. Anyways lets not forget that one of my favorite fighters of all time Wanderlei Silva likes to well bring violence and Bisping doesn’t doo well against powerful right hooks… Bisping can win this bout and I would assume that he asked for this thinking he would get one over on the Brazilian catch him “weak” from cutting the weight.. I hope that Bisping knows what he is getting himself into, Wanderlei might be on the down swing of his career but he might very well murder Michael..
Like Yogi Berra used to say, “It’s like deja vu all over again!” I guess we’ll see if he learned anything from the Henderson fight.
Hell, after Wandy kills him they should rematch him with hendo again. That way we won’t have to listen to bisping’s bs anymore.
i still would have liked to see Micheal vs Patrick but this will be awesome too
hes really going to need the sub titles after this one
LMAO! Hilarious
Michael Bisping is just too feather fisted for The Axe Murderer. However, I think he has a chance, maybe. Silva’s whiskers have been tested before and they didn’t hold up too well. I’m not saying Bisping will knock him out. That will never happen but maybe, just maybe, Bisping has just enough power to keep Silva honest. That’s probably just wishful thinking. Silva by decision.
Let’s be realistic here. Wanderlei got knocked out by three of the hardest strikes in MMA: a Crocop head-kick, a nasty spinning backfist and then left hook/right jackhammer right on the button from Hendo, and then a perfectly placed left hook from Rampage who hits with over 2,000 lbs. of force (thank you sports science). I don’t care who you are, you’re going down from any and all of those. Chuck has some great power as does Franklin, and they couldn’t put him away. Therefore I don’t think Silva has a suspect chin. I don’t think Bisping has a chance of knocking him out with his hands. However there are more ways to win a fight then standing up. Maybe Bisping will try and win the fight on the ground. Oh wait, Wanderlei is a Gracie BJJ blackbelt. Sorry Mike, not your night.
Great post mike. Im with all the way, and wouldnt be surprised if he tryed taking Wandy down. He11 he tried taking Henderson down. I realy hope Bisping doesnt try to run for three rounds and win on points. I think he should try and use angles, and more powerful strikes to hurt Wandy. He is fast. In the end I see him gettig cought by one of those windmill punches and getting crushed. Then again thats exactly what I thought was gonna happen to Franklin.
Man, i find it funny that Bisping only wants to fight in the UK, obviously because that’s the only place where he’ll be cheered by the crowd and maybe that’s the only place where he can win?? i know that the UFC booked him because he’s the poster boy for the UK, but if he gets ko’d by Silva which he most likely will, they’ll need to find a new poster boy who doesn’t care where he fights cuz i’m sure Wanderlei would have loved to fight in Brazil after getting ko’d by Rampage.
Dana wants Bisping to fight in the UK just as much as he does man.
Its not like there in a meeting where Mike pleading to fight across the pond and Dana is like “well ok i guess”.
I cann’t wait to hear the sh!t bisping is going to talk in this fight, because Wanderlei isn’t having none of it. He’ll throwdown with bisping anywhere. ok lets get KO’ed by Henderson and think you have a chance vs Wanderlei in the standup
Why not? Wandy has been KTFO’d a lot more than Bisping has. I’m not going to call him “glass chinned,” but his resume supports that title a hell of a lot more than Bisping’s does.
the only reason for that is bisping’s constant running in the ring.. hes not the aggresor… and never will be he likes to throw those weak counter punches off his back leg. That does nothing.. he might stun silva but i feel silva will back him into a corner and just start swinging while bisping runs.. then he will get caught and we will all laugh in his face again..
Wanderlei has only been KO’s 3 times and TKO’d once and they were all to extremely powerful strikers. I don’t think that either of them have a “glass chin”. Bisping has been KO’d once by Hendo (he has a hella strong right and most people would have been KO;d in that right hook connected) and Wandy has been KO’d by Rampage, Hendo and CroCop and TKO’d by Vitor Belfort, all four are known for power in their strikes. From what I have seen so far from Bisping I just don’t think that he has enough power to KO Wanderlei and if you can’t put him to sleep then you are in for a long night. I see Wandy pushing the pace the whole fight and eventually catching Bisping.
“But that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.”
Ether – that’s why I didn’t say he had a glass chin, just that his resume would support such a statement more than Bisping’s. Perhaps this stat is a little more telling. Silva is 2-6 in the UFC all-time. Might not be, though. And one fight won’t tell us the story either.
I kind of hate the threads. It’s all “I think” and “Historically” in all of these arguments. I acknowledge that, everyone else speaks like their words are gospel. I just do it more haughtily.
+100 for using the word “Haughty”. Seriously one of my favorite words ever.
dbiz-Are you serious dude?Comparing Bisping’ resume to Wanderlei’.Could you see Bisping fighting any of the people that have ko/tko’d Wanderlei?Actually,we seen what happened against Hendo.Do you think it would be any different against Rampage,Cro-Cop,or Belfort?And how about if Wandy fought the comp Bisping has?
I’m sick of you illiterate wannabes piling on some simple quote because you can’t be bothered to USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS.
Let me put a quote out there for you, and you tell me what it means.
“Wandy has been KTFO’d a lot more than Bisping has. I’m not going to call him “glass chinned,” but his resume supports that title a hell of a lot more than Bisping’s does.”
So, let’s analyze this statement objectively, completely forgetting that this, despite recent postings by certain cretins, has not in fact been renamed “wehatebispingfrenzy.com.”
Wandy has been KTFO’d a lot more than Bisping has. – This is a fact. There is nothing to read into.
I’m not going to call him “glass chinned,” – I’m not going to call him glass-chinned.
but his resume supports that title a hell of a lot more than Bisping’s does.” – See the first point. It’s simple fact.
What is with you people? 5 KOs/tKOs vs 1. That’s all I said. To read any deeper than that is to use that armchair philosophy degree you got in an online class from STF U. There’s nothing more to read there.
But, in case you’re among the EXCEPTIONALLY gifted here…I said it again ONE HOUR 28 MINUTES LATER. “Ether – that’s why I didn’t say he had a glass chin, just that his resume would support such a statement more than Bisping’s.”
5 > 1. For those who didn’t take the online math class, that means 5 is greater than 1. Which also means 5 is more than 1. THAT IS ALL I SAID SO GET OFF MY F*CKING BACK!
SOOOOOooooo what your saying Dbiz is
that wandy is glass chinned and 5 is less than 1???
And why yes I do have an PHD in Armchair Philosophy by way of online!!
Sooorrrryy man I couldn’t help it!! It was out there too easy!!
Relax man don’t let’em get under your skin so easy.
dbiz – I’m sorry to see you getting bent out of shape over this Bisping thing, not that I blame you for a second.
Apparently the Count hasn’t made many friends here at the frenzy with some of his recent comments and actions.
I can understand taking a fighter to task for unsportsmanlike conduct, but there seems to be some inexplicable hatred for the man, with dbiz seeming like the sole voice of reason in a madhouse of vitriolic verbiage..
I point this out because I have been accused, in some cases by members of the frenzied I really respect, as having some sort of inexplicable “baseless” hatred for Brock Lesnar for repeatedly and accurately pointing out his failures and shortcomings as both a sportsman and a champion, and not buying into the hype of his defenders and apologists. I found myself in a similiar position, of being the seemingly only person not suddenly enamored of a fighter I see as not right for out sport on a personal level.
Different circumstances, but basically the same situation.
Perhaps this rash of Bisping-bashing is in the same vein as my so-called “Brock-bashing”, in that the MMA fan community at large see Bisping as somehow unworthy of his promotional status, overly regarded by the UFC, and deserving of derision due to his perceived douchebaggery.
Or maybe dbiz is right, and there has been a shocking drop in poster retraint, and now all bets are off regarding a fighter someone dislikes.
All I’m saying is that I know what its like for everyone to tell you you’re wrong when you know you’re right, and have [and take the time to post] the facts to support your position, sort of like dbiz has.
It’s no fun getting beat up 9 ways to Sunday and having a mountain of opposition pile on your back both here in the commentaries and in the forum section when you’re doing whats right by the sport.
For my part I apologize if I’ve done or said anything to add to your grief on this matter, dbiz.
Peace.
Actually to be honest I think they crowds reaction to Wanderlei might be just as big if not bigger than the response hometown poster boy Bisping gets. Let’s face it, Wanderlei is loved worldwide. Especially over seas.
This match up to me will go one of two ways. Either a) Bisping will run around for 3 rounds throwing love taps to Wanderlei’s face while doing everything in his power to avoid exchanges and clinches, in hopes of out pointing Wandy on the judges score cards. Hopefully it goes the route of b) Bisping running around while being stalked by the Axe Murder only to eventually be caught and put to sleep in more brutal knockout fashion.
In the initial post you talk about all of Wanderlei’s recent losses and poor record. Sure on paper it might seem like Bisping has the advantage, but PLEASE. WHO THE **** has Michael Bisping fought? The only real fights he’s ever had are with the two guys who beat him. Rashad and Hendo. Everyone else was hand picked to make him look good. Yea, Wandy lost 5 of his last 6 fights. To the following guys. Cro-Cop, Henderson, Liddell, Rampage and Franklin. Those are 5 of the best fighters in the business. Not to mention Wanderlei has something the Count doesn’t. A win over Henderson and heart.
Wanderlei always fights the best. It’s about time he gets to fight an over rated, white as a band-aid, arrogant little ****. =)
You lot really are stupid. Yes Bisping was convincingly beaten by Henderson at UFC 100 but I dont see him making excuses. He is just saying what he did wrong during the fight! All the “trash talk” before the fight was part of what made UFC 100 un-missable and anyway was it really that bad or are you just very sensitive little souls! I think Bisping is exactly the kind of character UFC needs. Dan Henderson doesnt need his right hand to put me to sleep, he just needs to tell me about his day!! yawn.
Bisping was convincingly KTFO by Henderson…. He was told to stop circling left by his corner and he chose to ignore them and got brutalized for it, no excuses by anyone need be made.
Stu,
Bisping is making excuses…”i wasn’t myself”, ” i made misakes”, those sound like excuses to me man. Yes everyone talks trash before fights, but Bisping took talked trash about the USA which made it personal for Henderson being that Henderson competed in the Olympics representing USA, YES i’ll give it to you that Henderson isn’t exactly the most entertaining guy but he never talked trash about the UK. AND i agree that Bisping is a “character” that the UFC “needs”, he’s the kind of guy that people love to hate, but as far as Bisping the fighter, he hasn’t proven to be a top contender at all, i mean at all at 185, he hasn’t ran through guys like Demian Maia has.
Maybe Bisping should go down to WW I personally think he has no chance at Mw and I’m sure some will argue otherwise. Let’s face it, in his last fight against the only real threat he’s faced since Shad he got well you seen it. He doesn’t have the power the strike with anyone in the top of his division. I don’t no what the hell I was thinking I actually picked Bisping to beat Henderson WOW was I wrong. He made me look pretty foolish I’m glad I didn’t bet on the fight. After he gets destroyed By Wandi = move down in weight lil dude. I have nothing against Bisping I like him as a fighter. IN your best interest DON”T TAKE THIS FIGHT
I honestly do not believe that he could ever make WW and if he could I don’t think that he would have the strength/ endurance to be competitive.
Go to WW? You know he started at lhw, right? After that statement, you don’t deserve an opinion.
Not only that, but I’m getting tired of the suggested “solution” that a fighter drop a weight-class when he loses.
No offense Turk.
If a guy loses because he’s getting ragdolled in a fight, thats one thing to MAYBE consider. Bisping just flat out got knocked out. Not that I don’t think that Hendo could have thrown Bisping around the cage if he chose to go that route, but I think he plain and simple wanted to close Bisping’s eyes along with his mouth at UFC 100.
I’m not a Bisping supporter, but he lost because his opponent was BETTER, not bigger. Bisping is a natural MW, he just isn’t a well-rounded MW. Yet. Maybe if he spent some time training with Dean Lister or someone like that, he wouldn’t need to be so one-dimensional in the cage, and thus so predictable.
If Bisping wants to avoid getting Hendo’ed in his next fight, he should work on his defense, work on listening to his corner’s instructions, and maybe, just maybe, find out what this “ground game” thing that all the MMA kids are talking about these days is worth checking into…
There is fighters out there that have dropped from LHW to WW dbiz. Some arn’t to bad either. Time for you to engage google learning abilities.
Riggs went from HW to WW I believe
…and I’m sure Riggs is enjoying his time in Strikeforce. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
hey i just went to mma weekly they just interviewed kimo leopoldo he isnt dead he is still live and well?
wtf? why would somebody start a rumor that someone died?
He is a self proclaimed “Troll”. I could think of other things to call him. But whose fault is it really? TMZ’s for confirming the rumor wihtout actually confirming it? Everyone else for believing it with out doing our own research?
Old news homie. Here’s the guy that did it. Funny thing, he got nabbed Sunday morning for passing out drunk in his car in a parking lot. Sounds like a winner to me.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0722091tulsa1.html
it that a mug shot of this no life mo fo? or just a pic?
That would be his mug shot. The guy is a ru-tard.
Bisping just isn’t at an elite level imo, and honestly ya he might get a decision v Wanderlei but the chances that Wanderlei gets a (t)ko or something must be higher..
In a few years persay Bisping might be contending or hell even be champion but not anytime soon… As far as him fighting in the UK, that is a wise business decision by ZUFFA plain and simple, Its Manchester kinda where the guy is from, wouldn’t you want to fight in your hometown?
I suppose that he would have that playing towards his advantage in theory, but putting myself in his shoes that would be alot more pressure, especially fighting against wandy and coming off of a devistating car wreck KO. every time i think of wandy all that i see is him mounted on jardine with a rape choke in his left hand and knocking him unconsious with his right. this could very well happen to Bisping.
By the way fr702, did you happen to see the “Skin Industries” add in the new fight magazine with Nate on the cover?
No I haven’t but I will check it out, thx
I really hate Bisping’s attitude but gotta give him credit for having the balls to get back in there with Wandi.
Here is a little more info on the Wanderlei v Bisping possibilites
Wanderlei Silva’s manager has dismissed reports that the Brazilian is signed to fight Michael Bisping at UFC 105.
He contacted the Fighters Only Las Vegas office today with an official statement on the matter in which he said “the rumors about Wanderlei fighting Michael Bisping at UFC 105 in Manchester or at any point are simply that, rumors.”
“For some publication to say they have been given an exclusive statement on this from Team Wand is not truthful,” he added in a swipe at the blog that reported the fight earlier today claiming to have heard it from a member of Wanderlei‘s team.
“This fight has not been discussed or offered to us by the UFC. Wand’s preference is to fight in February. He wants to take time off to heal his body and mind, and with his new gym in Las Vegas, he has business affairs and a growing team to attend to”
hmmm, so this must have been started the same way the rumor about Kimo? what can you believe on the internet nowadays?
Thanks for the update FR702,
wow dude maybe we sholdn’t take things so seriously untill they are confirmed. Still, i’m excited about the possibilitie of this match taking place. Bisping wanted a “top mw” and he got “the axe murderer”. This could be a great fight for wanderlei’s “status” @ mw.
no offense to any other sites out there, I have ones that I trust and I have ones that well not so much… So I was looking to prove this wrong if you will… We shall see how it all turns out but that is what I found…
If you and everyone else are saying that bisping is overrated, how does beating him to anything for Wandy’s status except break his losing streak?
Maybe we should all just wait until fr702 or one of the other frenzied moderating fellowship confirms a story for us…
Well I for one say for UFC 105 should be
Dbiz vs MK4 II TITLE {WAR OF WORDS TYPED}
It’ll be better than the Rich/Hendo rematch!
Their first match up above was awesome and I feel there is some left over issues that need to be resolved!!!
They have legitimate beef!! I’ll pay for that card all day!!
There’s no more beef. I can’t take it anymore.
I used to be a big bisping fan…but ever since TUF UK VS USA…i found myself disliking him a bit…
I hope silva wins…I think silva will win…
But I can imagine silva being over aggressive and ultimately being layed out by bisping…I hope it doesn’t happen but it is a possibility…
If silva does win…who is his next opponent???
What you guys think???
He won’t fight Maia, a fourth fight with Hendo is a hard sell, and Palharres is injured. Gotta be Okami, UFC seem to not want to give him in title shot, and can’t hold it off any longer. If Wandy beats Bisping, like the Axe Murderer of old, then I’d think they’d match him with Okami, so a win can fast track him to a grudge match with Silva, title or no title, as I’d like Maia to be champ by then.
dbiz,
How is it you think you know every thing? I’m sure if bisping wanted to move down he could. Just sit in your mom’’s house and keep typing bud. I’m sure I know more than you stud. Why is it you only post something in response to someone thinking their mind and find a way to say I’m rite and your wrong grow up dude.
You think Bisping could drop to WW. I don’t need to think I know everything, I just know I know more than you. “Maybe anderson silva should drop to lightweight and wipe that grin of BJ Penn’s face!” Nurr.
dbiz, a question if I may:
Is it safe to assume that you’re a detractor of those you determine have unintelligently criticized Michael Bisping in the commentaries, or are you a Bisping supporter?
Just curious here…
Actually, I try to not let my own fanboi-isms color my dialogue. I’m not particularly a Bisping supporter. I just don’t like stupid, uninsightful comments cluttering up my internet. Things like “Bisping sucks. HE doesn’t deserve ______ because I said so” do absolutely nothing to foster intelligent duiscussion.
The fact is, if Chuck had the last 5 fights that Wandy did, we’d be calling for him to retire. Oh wait…
See? Wandy has been brutalized more than Chuck lately but because he’s from Pride, clearly supporting him means you’re a true MMA fan. Or it means you’re just going to pile on the latest fad. Looking at the people who have been jumping all over Bisping for ACTUALLY WANTING A REAL FIGHT… It’s a no-brainer who has taken up residence here. It’s a sad day when I can go to surepup for intelligent conversation and here for “Fanboi Flamewars: This Time It’s Retarded.”
Understood dbiz.
Thanks for the clarification.
here is another source :
http://mmajunkie.com/news/15605/michael-bisping-vs-wanderlei-silva-in-the-works-for-main-event-of-ufc-105-in-november.mma
BE has the same update I put soooo there ya go on that there buddy
Bisping is going to going to go to sleep again………
damn I can’t type today…going to go to sleep again
well i see what bisping has done here, and i for one thinks its a great match up for the count, all he has to do is stay away from the big right mmmmmmmmm on second thought pritty stupid fight to take haha im a bisping fan and i can see how bisping could win this fight but after that knockout loss to fight some1 with the same sort of power i think is a dumb move,
i love how the axe murderer has won just one fight in his last 6, but still gets so much respect, its awesome… he deserves every bit of it too, i agree with what alot of people say, they think hes got a suspect chin, he doesnt though, rampage, hendo, cro cop, i would love to see anybody take a shot from those guys, most likely u wont be waking up for a while. i like bisbing but he’ll never be a champion, he’ll just be a top 5 contender always i think, he’ll look to upset alot of people by beating silva, but i cant see him in anyway beating him, silva brings size, extreme intensity and the best killer instinct in the game,and massive KO power, i think bisbing will get KO’d in the second, i think bisbing we’ll be doing alot of running in the first, but will pay for it in the second.
Bisping*
thats a good point i think he doserves respect i personally think that he beat rich franklin. i bet he does better in middle weight
Yeah, I thought he beat Franklin too. I’m not too sure about Franklin having a bright future at 205. We shall see.
Bisping will be better then he was ay UFC 100. I wonder if Bisping tries to take the fight to the ground. You might not be able to take Hendo down but wandy he might.
I sure hope he is better than what we saw at UFC 100 or he will have a very long night ahead of him…or maybe a very quick night, depending on the outcome. And Bisping isn’t exactly known for his ground game so even if he were able to get Wandy down the only thing that would transpire is him sitting in Wandy’s gaurd until the ref stands them up.
EtherBunny, the next takedown or submission we see Michael Bisping attempt will probably be his first…
theres a typo i noticed on the article above that kris wrote. hasnt wandy only loss once to rampage? i thought they fought 3 times, [twice in pride, wandy won both with muay thai knees] and rampage ko’d him in the octagon in 07, right?
wandy should walk through bisping, yea he may have won only once in his last 6 fights or so, but look at the beasts he faced. i think bisping is overrated because he was spoonfed opponents, got a gift from the judges against hamill, lost to rashad. yet if he beat hendo he wouldve gotten a title shot. i thought title shots were earned. [dont go into the brock didnt earn his title shot, thats a topic for another day] when has bisping showed he is a well rounded fighter? i have yet to see it.
if this fight goes to a decision, sad to say bisping more than likely gets a decision from the judges, being that the fight is in his backyard.
“Silva has dropped two-straight to Quinton Jackson, and, most-recently in June, Rich Franklin. ”
The two fights that Kris was talking about were to 1) Rampage and 2)Rich Franklin. Not both to Rampage.
Hard to say about this one, I dont dislike Bisping but like others I dont feel he has earned the right to be the braggard he is. Technically he is sound and could prove problems for Silva which I think could lead to him winning on decision.
It will for sure be his make or break in deference to how he fares after being brutally ko’d and having to eat a slice of humble pie. Whose to say how that psychology plays out in his mind which really is the decision maker in MMA. You could posit that healing psychologically is the most difficult part after a loss and some fighters never come full circle.
Like others, I do believe Silva is on the downswing but if given an inch it will be lights out for Bisping. Yet, I have a feeling that Bisping will have little desire to go toe to toe and instead will be happy to win on points which as I said earlier is something he is quite capable of doing.
MMA is a funny thing because I have never thought of Bisping as championship material, not because of a like or dislike but rather because he is missing the intangible qualities that make a champion. Those qualities from a fans perspective are debatable but when you look at the champs past and present can anyone honestly see Bisping sharing that same stage?
It would also be tragic for him if like Henderson this is the fighter that Silva needs to get amped up again.
Prediction–Silva tko 2nd round.
recent opponents are the top
liddell jackson franklin jardine henderson bisping
hmmm.
one of these names doesn’t belong.
maybe it’s time he had an easy opponent.
even prior to this list there is mirko hunt arona and on and on.
what a dude.
this one could be the end of bisping in the ufc
You donut.
Lay off the bug juice and think about the last line you typed. “this one could be the end of bisping in the ufc”. Please tell me that you don’t really think that. Please tell me that the wind shifted just right and the fumes from a nuclear waste site drifted in and disrupted your brainwaves. Whatever the excuse, just tell me that you don’t honestly think that.
Bisping will not be cut after losses to two top quality middleweights. He is the face of UFC Europe, for better or worse. He may not be the best fighter in the organization, but he’s still a quality fighter. He’s young enough to continue to evolve and come back and test himself against top quality people.
On the other hand, as much as I don’t like him, he’s showing a giant pair of cojones to want to step in against a bad mofo like Wandy. Don’t know if he’ll fare well, but at least he’s going for it.
edit~FR702
Sorry Guys but Dbiz is right…..
I gotta aggree.. I dont really see why so much hate for bisping the guy rep’s where he is from and talks smack and he can contrary to what some say can fight.
Dbiz pointed out a good point, in that he is young enough to still learn grow and develop into a not just good but GREAT fighter. So he got beat {KTFO} by a great fighter in dan henderson, IMO there is no shame in that. Matter of fact he can learn alot from this loss and come back better {circleing right}
I like the dude but I was rooting for Dan but I still believe the guy is an okay guy. He just got KO”d hard and Air BOMB’ed but he got up licked his wounds and said I want more.
WHO DONT WONT TO FIGHT IN THIER HOME TOWN!!! That’s great IMO…
And I know Dana White loves that Idea for the poster boy of the WHOLE BRIT NATION…. It’s a great Idea.
Actually, that was bsbiz, forgetting to change the email on the comment form.
I do apologize dbiz and BsbiZ I messed up and that was my bad peace
No probs, homie.
Glad that’s sorted, I wondered what happened there. On the bs v. d biz thing.
That’s what happens when you use a foreign computer. Gah.
wwell if wand does the predictaable thing he’ll be very far from contention and if he has to fight hamill he wont even be second tier. but this the ufc. sorry ‘quality fighter’ doesn’t cut it.
Not to call him out or anything, but the most startling comment I read, oher than the Bisping getting cut if he loses to Wand thing, was when Stash said that Bisping was technically sound, which isn’t really accurate.
Bisping is technically sound ON HIS FEET, like a lot of Euro fighters who are influenced by all that Dutch kickboxing. From what I can tell Bisping’s wrestling and submission games are all but non-existent. Against Matt Hamill Bisping got the decision, but no one aside from the 2 judges that scored for him, really thinks he won that fight, do they?
If Hamill had taken Bisping down more, instead of trying to trade strikes with him, he may have gotten a ref stoppage with a concerted g-n-p. The few times Hamill did take Bisping down, the Count looked like he wanted no part of the ground.
Also, even if Hendo hadn’t KTFO’ed Bisping, how long would he have stayed on his feet in the cage with a 2 time Olympian?
While Bisping certainly isn’t as bad as all that, and has great standing within the UFC as the MMA UK poster boy, he really needs to develop a well-rounded skillset, instead of just relying on his championship level kickboxing.
What’s Bisping going to do against someone with a serious ground game?
I’d like to see him in the cage with someone like Chael Sonnen. Thats 15 minutes of Bisping’s life he never gets back while he’s trying to keep Sonnen off of his legs, and/or trying to survive repeated g-n-p’ings against the cage. Even if Bisping somehow pulled out a weird decision, does he really want to take beatings of that nature?
Or what about the last man Sonnen beat, Dan Miller?
Bisping would be put in a position where he would have to hop on his bicycle for 15 minutes and hit and run, because the moment Miller locks up with him and they hit the mat, Bisping’s glaring lack of submission training will be exposed.
I don’t think any true sportsman or fighter wants to win decisions in that way, and I credit Bisping with more integrity than that.
It’ll only get worse as his career progresses. Guys like Nate Marquardt and Demian Maia would have Bisping on the mat and finished in less time that it took me to write this and less time than it takes most of you to read it.
The UFC can only spoon-feed him stand-up only opponents like Josh Haynes, Charles McCarthy, and Chris Leben for so long. Against anyone with ground skill [Evans, Hamill, Hendo], Bisping has looked just awful.
Bisping has a world of potential. dbiz and OT1 make excellent points to not confuse Bisping on occasion being a di<k with Bisping not being a good MW.
I would add to their comments that Bisping should consider leaving the WolfsLair, and spend some time with a camp that can show him some things on the ground, either wrestling or BJJ or hopefully both…
Maybe a second KO in a row is what Bisping needs.Like Hendo said,he needs to know his place and learn some humility.I never had a problem with Bisping until after the Hamill fight,and not because of the horrible decision.It was the way he started talking crap to Hamill after the fight.I mean it’s bad enough that he came across like he actually won the fight,but to say ‘now we know who the real TUF winner is’ and ‘you should go back to wrestling’ really made him look like a total d-bag.Don’t know if this fight will actually happen but I wouldn’t mind watching him get KO’d by Wandy.
My apologies
I should have stated “technically sound on his feet”, and, I do think he has a world of potential but realizing it is something else. See how he rebounds with his next couple of fights and perhaps a different camp is something to think about. I can think of a few other fighters who could benefit from the same.
Apologies again if it sounded like I was giving offense or calling you out on your opinion.
It seems to me that the worst thing Bisping did was talk trash about the USA. If you forget about the one negative comment he made about “yanks” everything else was just publicity. I have seen him talk very positively about the USA on numerous occasions so I dont think one comment whilst on a TV show while he is competing against an American team should be taken so seriously. I’m from the UK, in fact not far from the wolfslair, so obviously I’m a Bisping fan but I really think he is a nice guy who loves to talk!
Only way to learn is through dialogue and debate, no need for the apologies.
Can I ask a quick question? With the trash talk Bisping has done, with comments about the USA (and the rest of the world knows how important patriotism is to the Americans), do most Frenzy posters hate ALL British fighters now or just Bisping?
I am a big fan of Wilks. Will he be a better poster boy, having lived in America for quite a long time? I’m sure he wouldn’t make any dodgy comments having been privately educated.
Hope you guys don’t hate us Brits!
Bisping has been a real catalyist lately in promoting UFC in the UK. Lets hope we start producing some high end fighters, there is alot of up and coming talent in the country at the moment.