Quick Vids: The Mythical Buffer 360°…And More!
Though the main broadcast didn’t catch it, Bruce Buffer, pioneer of the infamous 180°” Buffer turn”, pulled off the rumored 360° during his Brock Lesnar introduction last night. Thankfully Joe Lauzon’s cell phone captured the epic spin in all of its fabled glory. Why this isn’t the big story coming out of UFC 100 I just can’t understand. Silly media.
Courtesy of the funny folks at lookoutwhale, a little treat for all you Bisping haters who no doubt relished every minute of Dan Henderson’s bone crushing knockout of “The Count” last evening. Enjoy, and thank me later.
Remember that time Brock Lesnar got all up in Frank Mir’s grill even after battering him worse than a filet-o-fish sandwich? Well here’s a short clip from the countdown show that might help explain why Lesnar just had to take things so personally. “Weights and my doubles’ all I need for MMA!” Classic.
Last up, TUF 10 coaches Rashad and Rampage get into a little tiff cageside during UFC 100. Legitimate beef or mere TUF hype? You make the call.
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I didn’t think he would actually do it! LOL
haha awesome
LOVE IT ! ! ! (all caps intentional – too bad there is no mention of his KO)
i forgot about that countdown thing frank’s partner did. maybe that will silence some of the people who are upset at brock’s actions towards mir after the fight. the bisping island vid is priceless, and i would love to see what they make now since he was brutalized. thanks for the vids eric
bigchris2328, I can’t help but notice you all over these boards defending Lesnar’s actions, or saying that Lesnar was justified in his behavior because Mir talked some $hit. If you’re just having some fun, it’s all good, but you know as well as I do that Lesnar’s behavior was way out of order, and impossible to reasonably defend or explain away. I’ve read your other stuff bigchris2328, and I know you aren’t the type of fan that puts showmanship over sportsmanship, or the spectacle over the sport.
Lets try to seperate being a Lesnar fan from whats good for the sport. Just because you wear a DeathClutch T-shirt doesn’t mean you have to be okay with the guy’s douchebaggery : )
There is a huge difference between, “you hit like a girl” or “you don’t know the difference between a kneebar and a candy bar”, and flipping off the arena and disrespecting a major sponsor, and busting out some half-a$$ed pro wrestling interview at the premiere event in the promtion’s history.
Also, let me say that I’m a Mir supporter. If Mir had beaten Lesnar again last night, and popped up and grabbed a microphone and talked about hopping on Lesnar’s Playboy MILF wife, or disrespected the fans, or embarrassed the promotion and the sport, I would be tearing him a new one today.
Should Mir have been a bit less of a d*ck to Lesnar these last 17 months?
Maybe so, but in revealing the sort of man Lesnar is, it’s sort of hard to condemn Mir too much.
I realize that Lesnar-mania is running wild today, and sweeping up a lot of people who got carried away by his impressive win over Mir, but please don’t take a position that’s unteneable because you’re glad Mir lost…
Completely agree. I’ve said my opinion in other threads but the above post sums it up.
You also made no secret going into this fight of your disdain for Lesnar, so one would expect you to be all over the opportunity he gave you to criticize his sportsmanship and character.
I’m gonna have to disagree here. I’m a Lesnar fan so of course that means I’m going to instantly be accused of bias, but so be it. Brock Lesnar is one of the greatest things to happen to this sport in the sense of getting mainstream attention. Before Brock’s outburst, when was the last time you saw ESPN cover a UFC event as a feature story? When had UFC been the first story in newspaper columns around the country? Why have UFC PPV buy rates gone up with such a spike after Brock debuted? Not everyone who watches MMA is a purist and honestly, there aren’t enough purists to make the UFC or MMA in general grow to the level of success that you all claim you want while condemning Brock for speeding up the process.
Was Brock out of line last night? Other than the shot at Bud Light, I’d say not really. He had just finished a 17 month quest of avenging his only loss. The build up was ridiculous as Mir kept talking all sorts of ****. When Brock dominated the fight (I think we can both agree on that) and won it, the entire arena booed him. He won it clean, with technique, totally neutralizing Mir for the very large majority of the fight. But that wasn’t good enough. Would that not piss you off too? Yes, he went back to WWE mode during the interview, but what’s wrong with him saying he’s going to sleep with his wife? I mean, if I had a Playboy wife, I’d be wanting to do the same thing. He did disrespect the fans, but the fans have disrespected him since he signed the contract to get into MMA in the first place. I watched the fight with about 10 of my friends and we all thought his post-fight antics were classic (although we agreed from a business stand point, the Bud Light shot wouldn’t stand). There have always been the “bad guys” in MMA and one thing Dana has learned is these guys sell PPV’s which is really the goal here, isn’t it? So long as Lesnar keeps winning and his personality makes everyone want to see him lose, his fights are going to continue to draw ratings and as a result expose other fighters to the mainstream fan who doesn’t check all these sites and couldn’t tell you a kimora from a triangle choke at this point.
He’s helping the sport quite a bit, even though a lot of the fans refuse to admit he’s a legit MMA fighter because of a WWE past. But so be it, Shamrock did ok with it and Lesnar’s doing even better.
Ha Ha Ha,that’s some funny chit.Thanks,I needed that.
After all of the drama last night, the Buffer 360 was a real bright spot. I’ve said it before, but the UFC should cut Buffer a bonus check for 360 of the Night…
jcohl, for the record i dont wear deathclutch shirts, never have never will. i primarily wear fishing shirts [the shirts have pictures of fish]. i am not a fan of brock’s by any stretch, however as someone pointed out on another thread why is it okay to trash talk leading up to a fight, yet you cant immediately after someone please explain that to me? mir crossed the line too many times imo, check the video above if you dont believe me, he did it for 16+ months. i am just trying to get other people to see that brock had a reason to get in mir’s face right after. now the flipping off the crowd wasnt right, nor was his post fight interview with rogan, nor was his pre-fight press conference where he tried to leave multiple times and dana had to put him in his place. like it or not he is the ufc’s hw champ. i like your idea of him being fined and i support it all the way jcohl, however it wont happen. brock has always been a douche imo, and like i said before he is now the undisputed douche of the ufc. remember tito used to do the flipping off thing as well, and kendall grove has done it too.
this victory over mir just inflates brock’s head even more, but dont worry carwin will take care of him, just wait.
Nate Diaz gave double fingers when he locked in a triangle choke on Kurt Pellegrino. Also, as far as I’m concerned, talking trash after you’ve lost (Nick Diaz) is worse than talking trash after you win, but I don’t like either.
I don’t like what Brock did, and I don’t think there is any justification for it, but he did apologize. Call me “naive”, but I believe in forgiving people. (Although, I also stand by the whole “Fool my once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me” philosphy.)
For the record bigchris2328, I was just goofing about the deathclutch t-shirt. I’m just trying to find something positive in this UFC 100 mess, aside from Buffer’s 360 and Hendo’s exposing of Bisping as overrated and underskilled.
And as far as the Lesnar thing goes, let me clairify something for everyone who reads my stuff. I’m not suggesting that Lesnar be fined, or castigated publicly, for his actions towards Frank Mir immediately after the fight ended. Was it in poor taste, and a bad example of sportsmanship? Yes, but so was Mir’s 16 month comedy routine about how Lesnar is as dumb as a box of rocks, hasn’t a clue about MMA, etc, and regardless of how factual it may have been and as entertaining as it was to SOME MMA fans.
I freely admit to being one of them.
My problem specifically with Lesnar stemming from UFC 100 is based on his pre-fight interview antics, his middle school temper tantrum during the Countdown to 100 interview wherein he claimed referee malfeasance was the factor in his loss to Mir, and Lesnar’s post-fight actions towards the fans, the UFC, and the sport in general.
As for Carwin being the solution to the Lesnar problem as you suggest bigchris2328, I’m not so sure. He’s talented in that Neanderthalic sort of way, but I’m not 100% convinced that fighting fire with fire is the way to go here. Although Mir went with a risky gameplan last night, and didn’t execute said gameplan very well, I still think a fighter with Mir’s size and skillset is what is needed to defeat Lesnar. Mir did it once, with a gameplan based on exploiting Lesnar’s inexperience and general lack of any sort of fighting skill other than “Brock smash!”.
During their second fight, Mir became enamored of his so-called stand-up, and IMO sort of forgot what allowed him to beat Lesnar the first time. If you watch Mir-Lesnar 1, you can clearly see in spite of the Lesnar-maniacs “version” of events that Mir stayed pretty much in control throughout the fight, constantly maneuvering for submissions, until he hooked Lesnar and forced him to tap.
And for those Lesnar apologists and defenders who like to say that Steve Mazagatti “saved” Mir in that fight, I suggest you watch the so-called irregular break carefully. Mir was in the process of locking in an armbar, something Lesnar hasn’t a clue about escaping, then or now. If you look at Mir’s face, he’s actually pi$$ed that Mazagatti called for a break, because Mir thought he was close to ending the fight. More than likely if Mazagatti hadn’t called for a break the only difference would have been Lesnar submitting to an armbar rather than a kneebar.
This isn’t an opinion, it’s what the video of Mir-Lesnar 1 shows. Mir points this out in an interview for Countdown to 100, and neither Lesnar nor his trainers dispute it. How could they? It’s what actually happened.
Obviously Mir wasn’t going to hook Lesnar in another 90 second kneebar, but Mir should have been aware and formulated a better gameplan for the second fight. I also think that Lesnar showed more common sense in the opening round last night than he ever has in a fight before, clearly because the memory of that kneebar is still fresh in his mind. I know the fans booed when Lesnar VERY TENTATIVELY performed in Mir’s semi-guard, but do you honestly blame Lesnar?
I’ve been kneebarred a few times in shoot-wrestling practice years ago by a BJJ purple belt, and it sucks out loud to be on the receiving end. I can only imagine the pain when its slapped on in a fight by a world-class ground fighter like Mir.
Frank Mir had a lot of pressure on him last night. First he was dealing with an opponent who was larger and stronger. Second he knew his employers were pulling for said opponent to win, based on his drawing power and in spite of his douchebaggery. Third, Mir somehow was tasked by Lord knows how many MMA fans to try and rid the sport of a misfit like Lesnar, and I mean misfit in the truest sense of the word. Lesnar simply doesn’t belong in a sport based on skill and respect. He pretty much proved that last night.
Finally, Mir was trying to become the undisputed UFC HW champion again. A lot was riding on his shoulders, and this fight, not to mention the financial aspects. It only shows that Mir is human that he buckled under the strain.
I say to everyone respect Frank Mir.
I don’t see a lot of guys stepping up and wanting to get into the cage with Lesnar. Mir was our sport’s best hope for a return to normalcy within the UFC HW division. He tried but failed.
End of story.
Even though Lesnar has now dominated Mir (who you admit to be a fan of) you still can’t give him any credit for being a skilled fighter… I thought you were supposed to eat crow for Lesnar winning, not keep talking junk.
Maybe I’m thinking of someone else, or another fight, if so, my apologies. I’m looking back through past comments now to try to find it.
Justin – I passed on the crow about the same time Lesnar decided to chuck sportsmanship out the window and flipped me and about a million other MMA fans off last night, in addition to tarnishing the event with his childlike behavior.
I have posted on other threads the few good things that Lesnar did, including sticking to his gameplan and making the most out of his meager skill-set.
What else can be said for a man that behaves in such a way in a sport built around repsect and skill?
Criticizing his sportsmanship is one thing, but to continue to demean his skill is another. I don’t like Rashad Evans, but he is a good fighter, and I will give him credit for his skill. I think Nick Diaz is far worse for MMA than Brock Lesnar (I mean really, who gets in a fight in the hospital after you already lost your professional fight to the same man?), but I still give him credit for being a very skilled fighter. You have already shown from early in your time of posting here that you did not like Brock Lesnar. I think that you are using his unsportsmanlike conduct to further confirm your pre-existing disdain for the man, and as an excuse to continue to demean his fighting skill, which he has demonstrated by beating another top 5 heavyweight, and someone that you have said you are a fan of.
Justin – I completely agree with you about Nick Diaz being worse for MMA than Brock Lesnar, but dbiz asked me to leave off of commenting on Diaz because I was poaching in dbiz’s territory or something of that nature.
And for the record, my disdain for Brock Lesnar began during the hype for Mir-Lesnar 1, when he went on and on about “smashing up” an “old champion”, and then whined about getting caught in a kneebar in 90 seconds instead of being humble after the fact. That alone should have knocked some sense and respect into him for this great sport and its competitors, but then I had my opinions confirmed when he disrespected Heath Herring, a fighter I don’t think is very good but doesn’t deserve to be disrespected by a guy in his second pro third pro MMA fight.
Lesnar himself on multiple occasions has said he has no respect for any opponent, including Randy Couture.
Last night was just icing on the cake.
How can any self-respecting MMA fan support Brock Lesnar??
Regarding Lesnar’s in-cage performance, I would describe it as “effective” as opposed to “skilled”. Sad thing is, Lesnar is an accomplished college wrestler, and you couldn’t identify him as such by his performances.
He uses his superior strength and weight to great advantage.
If you want to consider that a martial art skill, I won’t quibble about the matter.
Lesnar is the new master of “gorilla-jitsu” or whatever you’d care to call it
obviously brock belongs in the sport.im no brock fan either, but the guy beat herring couture and now mir.those are some tough ****in fights.its not enough to have strength, you also need technique,and i believe brocks technique has improved dramatically.he also knows his strenghts and he plays to them very well.mir couldnt do anything against him on the ground.brock is an imature fighter, you can tell by the way he reacted towards mir.mir really got in his head.but other than that, i just wanna see the best fighters in the world.i dont care if they were fake wrestlers or if theyre cool or if theyre assholes.all i know is that brock lesnar is a good fighter and id like to see him fight again.a lot of guys have been disrespectful in the ufc before.a couple of guys have even put their opponents to sleep (babalu i think) just because of the trashtalking that happened before.brock is just gonna get better and better, like i said before, im not a fan, but im glad hes in the ufc.
just beautiful!
i like that “gorilla jitsu” but its “vanilla gorilla jitsu”. i still think carwin is the only one in the ufc who can nuetralize brock’s mian skill and technique which is to smother the opponent. also carwin has the one punch ko power. enough about brock, ive gotten my fill of it and am over it. lets move on to two more important issues from 100. what does gsp do now? move up to mw and become a contender? he said he fights for the challenge now, not to be the champion. is that hinting at moving up in weight to a new weight class? and 2, does hendo get the next shot that some believe is maia’s, or do we have hendo face gsp? I think the hendo-gsp fight is a huge draw/sell and would be good to watch. gsp wont have his way with hendo imo.
IMHO i dont believe gsp should move up he has plenty of contenders at the time for him to get ready for – martin kampmann,mike swick,dan hardy,jon fitch,condit,larson,rumble……..anderson silva vs gsp is a fight i dont want to see……anderson needs to focus on one division also….he has alot of contenders waiting for a shot including- hendo,maia/marquardt,okami and plenty more…..also if gsp wants a challenge have him coach season 11 of the ultimate fighter theres his challenge…….us vs canada the winner of swick/kampmann vs gsp on TUF as apposing coaches fighting at the end of the show for the title
On the Guerrilla jitsu thing… according to the graphic on the broadcast, “guerrilla jui-jitsu” is John Fitch’s style.
It looks like they’re going to have GSP defend against the Swick-Kampmann winner first, and maybe Anderson defend against Maiquarendo then go from there. I just finished watching a interview Hendo posted on his website and on there he said that if they don’t give him a fight with Anderson next he will ask for a top 5 205 guy.
haha Maiquarendo awesome
bigchris2328, Vanilla Gorilla Jitsu it is!
And I sure hope you’re right about Carwin. Seriously.
It’s one thing to sit thru a lengthy title reign like Anderson Silva’s, where he looks like Superman in one fight and Clark Kent in another, but always maintains his dignity and the dignity of the sport, however to sit thru months and months of Lesnar going thru opponents and then putting on a show before and afterwards is a bit much too take, regardless of how passionate an MMA enthusiast you are.
Moving on…
As for GSP, he’s sort of a man without a challenger IMO. I think Mike Swick is a good fighter, and even though I’m in the minority in that I think he can beat Martin Kampmann, going forward he honestly has no shot against a full-force Rush. Ditto with Kampmann. Good fighter, probably more well-rounded than Swick, but the only chance he has of beating GSP is if the champ comes in at anything less than 100%
I do worry a little when a champion starts saying things like, “I don’t fight for the belt, I fight for [fill in the blank]“.
If that’s GSP’s way of hinting that he wants a crack at some MWs, then thats fine. If he’s losing focus or passion for MMA however then thats a problem for us all. Sometimes we as fans forget [I know I have from time to time] that these guys have a life outside the cage. It’s always possible that a guy like GSP feels he has nothing left to prove, no one of merit left to defeat, and is getting a bit nonplussed with the whole thing.
Also, you never know whats going on behind the scenes with the UFC front office. Maybe the relationship is growing acrimonious, but I’m betting against it. I think GSP just wants “in” on the super-fight action, but you never know.
Personally I think that GSP, like BJ Penn and Anderson Silva, secretly harbors the desire to be like Hendo was in PRIDE, and carry 2 belts simultaneously, regardless of any public statements to the contrary. I don’t fault them for that, its natural when you’re at their level to keep reaching for the stars. I task the promotion and Dana White with keeping it all straight, and making sure the contenders in both affected weight classes still get their fair opportunities that they’ve earned inside the cage. What was done to Kenny Florian was a disgrace, as is whats being done to Demian Maia.
As far as cross-class fights go, BJ Penn crashed and burned, and I’m not really liking Anderson Silva’s chances against Forrest Griffin. Even if the Spider does get past Forrest, who has proven to be an up and down fighter, his outlook is pretty bleak. At LHW he’s going to be facing stronger opponents who hit much harder than he’s used to, and BJ Penn proved against GSP that size, and its advantages, most definitely matters. For example, Quinton Jackson would “rampage” thru Anderson Silva in something like 2 rounds.
I have a lot of respect for GSP, and don’t want to see his “excellent adventure” end the way Penn’s did, and the way I think Silva’s is going to.
If anyone is going to pull off “the Hendo” in the UFC, I’d like it to be GSP, who I consider the archetypical MMA fighter.
As for Hendo, he finds himself in a decent position. The UFC hyped, some would say over-hyped,[myself being one of them] Michael Bisping’s relative fighting skill level. Bisping is what I think of when I hear that a Euro-style kickboxer is transitioning to MMA. Decent fundamentals and cardio, above average striking, and a below average submissions game, and next to zero wrestling. Against Hendo, Bisping found himself in a bout against the exact wrong sort of opponent for his particular skill-set, and it showed.
They like to say in the UFC that “styles make fights”, which I agree with, and would add that in some cases styles break fighters. I think Bisping-Hendo was a clear example of that.
And for those that might think I’m “hating” on Bisping, or not being objective in my breakdown of their fight because I’m a Hendo fan, let me add that Matt Hamill could have exposed Bisping as a one-dimensional fighter a year ago if he’d been better coached and had a better gameplan. As it stands many felt Hamill won the fight as is, and it sent a clear signal to Bisping to clear out of the LHW division before he got grounded and pounded out by someone with more experience than Hamill.
Regardless, I think Bisping would make a great first opponent for a transitioning GSP. Not a housewrecker, as my grandfather used to say, but definitely skilled enough to challange GSP at 185.
Hendo, IMO, deserves a shot at Spider Silva. I know that people will come down on both sides of this thing, but as much as Demian Maia deserves and has earned the next title shot, I just don’t think he’s going to get it.
Why you might say?
Ask Thales Leites, he knows why. ‘Nuff said.
That being understood, I think Hendo should get another shot at Anderson Silva. Personally I don’t think the Hendo we saw at UFC 82 was anywhere close to 100%. I’m not sure what the deal was, but Hendo looked listless and unfocused. Maybe he had personal or physical issues, but as good as Anderson Silva is he isn’t good enough to “voodoo” someone into a bad performance from the start. It almost looked like Hendo showed up, cleared a round, and decided he’d had enough and tapped, so to speak.
I’ve seen a lot of Hendo fights, and consider myself a supporter of his,as I am a lot of Team Quest fighters. I never saw him look so flat in my life as he did against Silva.
Losing to Rampage in the way Hendo did was commendable and understandable. Losing to the Spider in the manner he did is almost inexcusable and confusing as H&ll to his fans and I’m guessing to some extent Dana White and Joe Silva.
And bigchris2328, I completely agree with you that Hendo-GSP would be a huge draw, but I honestly think Hendo would be a bit too much for GSP in his first MW bout. I wouldn’t want to see GSP in with a 185 placeholder either, so I think Bisping is just about the right place for him to start.
gsp will destroy bisping, bisping is a top 10 fighter at mw at best. you pointed out his weaknesses jcohl. if you look at the list of possible contenders for gsp, only fitch and thiago are the biggest threats. gsp outclasses everyone in that division including my two boys fitch and the pitbull. however fitch and alves showed alot in the first fight and never backed down from gsp, and thiago actually handled gsp well when he was on his back. he is not used to being on his back and gsp wasnt able to transistion to mount easily like he did against bj. if gsp desires to hold two belts like hendo did in pride, his best bet will be if he drops to lw. he can make the drop. he would fare well against the top 4 at mw, however i dont see him making a clean sweep of them, he might decision marquardt and hendo, anderson will beat gsp like gsp beat bj, and given the chance maia will sub gsp imo.
anderson on the other hand can do well at 205, but shogun could beat him, forrest has a dammn good chance at beating anderson, i think forrest is a 2-1 underdog at the moment which isnt bad, rampage has the chin to withstand any shot anderson throws at him and has the takedown ability and GnP to beat anderson, and machida-anderson is 90% not likely to happen. rashad has that one punch ko power that gives him a chance against anybody outside of rampage, but machida embarrased rashad, and anderson is more elusive imo then machida.
also jchol hit the nail on the head about gsp, i dont think he feels challenged at all, and might become complacent to just chill. he is in his prime which is very scary, and wants a challenge. the challenge should be a move to the mw division to take on the best mw’s in the ufc imo.