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	<title>Comments on: Kimbo, Rampage, and Evans Featured in &#8220;The Ultimate Fighter 10: Heavyweights&#8221; Teaser</title>
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		<title>By: Vinz_Clortho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinz_Clortho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting how when selling out the intergrity of MMA and the UFC people are really only concerned with the MONEY being made but UFC and co.  Interesting.  Sorry but $$ dosn&#039;t add any integrity to this move.

It&#039;s a blatant money grab by the UFC that will not really increase the sports popularity as people familiar with Kinbo are already familiar with MMA.

This is a stain on the sport.. hopefully he just gets his ass kicked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting how when selling out the intergrity of MMA and the UFC people are really only concerned with the MONEY being made but UFC and co.  Interesting.  Sorry but $$ dosn&#8217;t add any integrity to this move.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a blatant money grab by the UFC that will not really increase the sports popularity as people familiar with Kinbo are already familiar with MMA.</p>
<p>This is a stain on the sport.. hopefully he just gets his ass kicked.</p>
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		<title>By: zac</title>
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		<dc:creator>zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but Freak Show of EliteXC is the same as Freak Show of TUF in this case.  I agree that &quot;on TUF&quot; is different than &quot;in the UFC&quot; but at the same time....Junie Browning, his stupid little brother, JT Money, Kimbo, etc.

i think EliteXC was stupid for paying kimbo big $$$ to headline against losers, and i think Kimbo was not stupid for taking that kind of $$$.  I think Dana/TUF is stupid for putting Junie, his lil bro, JT Money, etc. on TUF and then paying Junie to compete in UFC when he lost on the show.  How can you call Kimbo/EliteXC freakshow and not call TUF seasons of late a freakshow?  it cant be just because they pay the fighters more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but Freak Show of EliteXC is the same as Freak Show of TUF in this case.  I agree that &#8220;on TUF&#8221; is different than &#8220;in the UFC&#8221; but at the same time&#8230;.Junie Browning, his stupid little brother, JT Money, Kimbo, etc.</p>
<p>i think EliteXC was stupid for paying kimbo big $$$ to headline against losers, and i think Kimbo was not stupid for taking that kind of $$$.  I think Dana/TUF is stupid for putting Junie, his lil bro, JT Money, etc. on TUF and then paying Junie to compete in UFC when he lost on the show.  How can you call Kimbo/EliteXC freakshow and not call TUF seasons of late a freakshow?  it cant be just because they pay the fighters more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in fact* not &quot;in face&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in fact* not &#8220;in face&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t misunderstand, neither I nor dbiz is lobbying for Kimbo &quot;belonging in the UFC&quot;, in face I&#039;m pretty sure that he and I both think that he doesn&#039;t and that that will be proved when he loses on TUF.  The biggest distinction I&#039;m trying to make, and it seems to be getting lost in translation somewhere, is there is a huge difference between &quot;in the UFC&quot; and &quot;on TUF&quot;.  That difference is almost as big as the difference between headlining EliteXC on CBS making 500k, and being on TUF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t misunderstand, neither I nor dbiz is lobbying for Kimbo &#8220;belonging in the UFC&#8221;, in face I&#8217;m pretty sure that he and I both think that he doesn&#8217;t and that that will be proved when he loses on TUF.  The biggest distinction I&#8217;m trying to make, and it seems to be getting lost in translation somewhere, is there is a huge difference between &#8220;in the UFC&#8221; and &#8220;on TUF&#8221;.  That difference is almost as big as the difference between headlining EliteXC on CBS making 500k, and being on TUF.</p>
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		<title>By: fr702</title>
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		<dc:creator>fr702</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAAHAHa Kevin Ferguson HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA nice stuff and the meanmug by Rashad is hilarious as well, thx for the comic relief been a helll of a day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAAHAHa Kevin Ferguson HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA nice stuff and the meanmug by Rashad is hilarious as well, thx for the comic relief been a helll of a day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dbiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the freakshow was the show.  that is the point.  ESPN bought into some Youtube hype and gave the guy 15 minutes without even really trying to give someone like GSP or Liddell, or Couture equal time.  The difference is, the three in the UFC were real, established fighters who had done something.

So how is putting Kimbo on the show not hypocrisy? Because that show is basically the bottom of the barrel in the UFC. It&#039;s where (theoretically) guys go to try and make some noise, not to toot their own horns and act like they are already a big thing.

I realize some of that is standard fighter bravado (see some of Kimbo&#039;s early statements, before the shaws bet the farm on him), but it can be taken to extremes, which is where the freakshow aspect begins, at least for me.

I considered the Brock situation bordering on freakshow.  The difference between him and Kimbo (for me) was the choice of opponents.  Tank Abbott or Frank Mir?  Which is more of a test?  James Thompson or Heath Herring?  Shamrock/Petruzelli or Randy Couture?  The difference is evident.  Brock was legitmate, although green.  Kimbo was sheltered to hide the fact that he was a disaster waiting to happen.

I give Kimbo a ton of credit for humbling himself and coming to fight for free when he is coming from 500k paydays.  Do I think he&#039;ll win the show? Dear god, no.  Do I think there is no downside for him, coming onto it?  Yup.  After all, the last time we saw him fight, he was dismantled by a backpedaling jab from a pink-haired light heavyweight.  One or two strong wins/performances, he may even land himself somewhere he can continue to fight.

As far as featuring him in the commercial goes...Yeah, that is a little over the top, except that he does need to grow the show. It&#039;s a flash point that may get new people to watch.  Then hopefully the real fighters will keep them watching.  After all, if you tune in FOR Kimbo and someone beats him...think you might want to see how THAT guy does?

I think Dana may be banking on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the freakshow was the show.  that is the point.  ESPN bought into some Youtube hype and gave the guy 15 minutes without even really trying to give someone like GSP or Liddell, or Couture equal time.  The difference is, the three in the UFC were real, established fighters who had done something.</p>
<p>So how is putting Kimbo on the show not hypocrisy? Because that show is basically the bottom of the barrel in the UFC. It&#8217;s where (theoretically) guys go to try and make some noise, not to toot their own horns and act like they are already a big thing.</p>
<p>I realize some of that is standard fighter bravado (see some of Kimbo&#8217;s early statements, before the shaws bet the farm on him), but it can be taken to extremes, which is where the freakshow aspect begins, at least for me.</p>
<p>I considered the Brock situation bordering on freakshow.  The difference between him and Kimbo (for me) was the choice of opponents.  Tank Abbott or Frank Mir?  Which is more of a test?  James Thompson or Heath Herring?  Shamrock/Petruzelli or Randy Couture?  The difference is evident.  Brock was legitmate, although green.  Kimbo was sheltered to hide the fact that he was a disaster waiting to happen.</p>
<p>I give Kimbo a ton of credit for humbling himself and coming to fight for free when he is coming from 500k paydays.  Do I think he&#8217;ll win the show? Dear god, no.  Do I think there is no downside for him, coming onto it?  Yup.  After all, the last time we saw him fight, he was dismantled by a backpedaling jab from a pink-haired light heavyweight.  One or two strong wins/performances, he may even land himself somewhere he can continue to fight.</p>
<p>As far as featuring him in the commercial goes&#8230;Yeah, that is a little over the top, except that he does need to grow the show. It&#8217;s a flash point that may get new people to watch.  Then hopefully the real fighters will keep them watching.  After all, if you tune in FOR Kimbo and someone beats him&#8230;think you might want to see how THAT guy does?</p>
<p>I think Dana may be banking on that.</p>
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		<title>By: jcohl</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcohl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add that in spite of my misgivings, I agree that this is an excellent opportunity for Kimbo to prove himself serious about MMA. Whether he&#039;s earned that opportunity is debateable, but whats done is done.
Regardless of who Kimbo draws in his first TUF fight, he&#039;s going to have his wind and his ground game tested, unless his opponent is an absolute dumb-ass. If anyone opts to stand with this one-dimensional guy and throw strikes, they deserve to get knocked out on national TV.
Imagine if Kimbo has used the time between when he got embarrassed on TV until he shows up at the TUF house to work on his cardio and takedown defense, and learn a little bit about the sport he&#039;s trying to make a living in?
I realize that there isn&#039;t enough time to school Kimbo in something intricate like BJJ, but there is enough time if he&#039;s motivated to pick up a bit of shoot-wrestling style stuffs, body positioning, and leg movements to avoid being taken to the ground and submitted too quickly or easily.
Also if his reported attitude changes and he starts listening to and learning from Bas Rutten, he might make it past the opening round of TUF fights.

I have noticed when I cull together all of the links on this subject graciously provided by others that Dana White almost on the surface is sending a mixed message regarding Kimbo Slice. Sometimes he&#039;s bad-mouthing him, and other times he&#039;s helping him out with a spot on TUF, although most likely he envisions helping the UFC out by cashing in on Kimbo&#039;s marginal popularity. Interesting and conflicting stuff.

In closing I&#039;d add that this is also a good opportunity for some MMA unknown to make a name for himself by seriously injuring Kimbo, particularly on the ground in a leglock or armbar. As previously stated I don&#039;t think Kimbo belongs in the UFC, dissenting opinions not withstanding, but I never want to see any fighter hurt intentionally so another fighter can gain some notoriety.
I hope the ref and the UFC staff take that into account while these guys are training and fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that in spite of my misgivings, I agree that this is an excellent opportunity for Kimbo to prove himself serious about MMA. Whether he&#8217;s earned that opportunity is debateable, but whats done is done.<br />
Regardless of who Kimbo draws in his first TUF fight, he&#8217;s going to have his wind and his ground game tested, unless his opponent is an absolute dumb-ass. If anyone opts to stand with this one-dimensional guy and throw strikes, they deserve to get knocked out on national TV.<br />
Imagine if Kimbo has used the time between when he got embarrassed on TV until he shows up at the TUF house to work on his cardio and takedown defense, and learn a little bit about the sport he&#8217;s trying to make a living in?<br />
I realize that there isn&#8217;t enough time to school Kimbo in something intricate like BJJ, but there is enough time if he&#8217;s motivated to pick up a bit of shoot-wrestling style stuffs, body positioning, and leg movements to avoid being taken to the ground and submitted too quickly or easily.<br />
Also if his reported attitude changes and he starts listening to and learning from Bas Rutten, he might make it past the opening round of TUF fights.</p>
<p>I have noticed when I cull together all of the links on this subject graciously provided by others that Dana White almost on the surface is sending a mixed message regarding Kimbo Slice. Sometimes he&#8217;s bad-mouthing him, and other times he&#8217;s helping him out with a spot on TUF, although most likely he envisions helping the UFC out by cashing in on Kimbo&#8217;s marginal popularity. Interesting and conflicting stuff.</p>
<p>In closing I&#8217;d add that this is also a good opportunity for some MMA unknown to make a name for himself by seriously injuring Kimbo, particularly on the ground in a leglock or armbar. As previously stated I don&#8217;t think Kimbo belongs in the UFC, dissenting opinions not withstanding, but I never want to see any fighter hurt intentionally so another fighter can gain some notoriety.<br />
I hope the ref and the UFC staff take that into account while these guys are training and fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: zac</title>
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		<dc:creator>zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i get what your saying...and i think Roy Nelson is going to walk thru everyone on the next TUF, but i also dont understand how he calls it a Freak Show when shaw puts it on CBS, yet its not a Freak Show when he puts it on TUF...?

Just because it was big and in the spotlight on CBS vs. Spike TV, that makes it a Freak Show? 

I dont think Kimbo will do well...Bas even said that he is difficult to coach because after a certain point he thinks he knows everything and stops listening.  I hope he does well because as a person i think he has a lot of character, and he has a Rampage-like sense of humor which i also like.  I just dont like it when Dana talks smack about Kimbo...his promoters for putting him on cards, etc...then signing him for a season of TUF and featuring him on a commercial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i get what your saying&#8230;and i think Roy Nelson is going to walk thru everyone on the next TUF, but i also dont understand how he calls it a Freak Show when shaw puts it on CBS, yet its not a Freak Show when he puts it on TUF&#8230;?</p>
<p>Just because it was big and in the spotlight on CBS vs. Spike TV, that makes it a Freak Show? </p>
<p>I dont think Kimbo will do well&#8230;Bas even said that he is difficult to coach because after a certain point he thinks he knows everything and stops listening.  I hope he does well because as a person i think he has a lot of character, and he has a Rampage-like sense of humor which i also like.  I just dont like it when Dana talks smack about Kimbo&#8230;his promoters for putting him on cards, etc&#8230;then signing him for a season of TUF and featuring him on a commercial.</p>
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		<title>By: dbiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana said (and this a paraphrase) that the only way Kimbo would ever be in the UFC is if he fought his way in through TUF.  Now he&#039;s going to try.

He wasn&#039;t calling Kimbo&#039;s foray into MMA a freak show, he was calling the hype that the Shaws built up the freak show.  He was unproven and his skills (even with Bas&#039;s teaching) were subpar, and because of EXC&#039;s hype he was portrayed as the best in MMA.  That was the freak show.

You&#039;re probably going to bag on me for using this example, but it is appropriate.  If Kimbo had gone the Lashley route, starting in small, regional shows, actually working on his record and improving, we wouldn&#039;t be having this discussion.  We are only having it because an unscrupulous promoter decided to make him out as a god when he was really a dog.

He&#039;s been out of action and possibly training for nearly a year now.  He wants a chance to show that he&#039;s improved as a fighter and he&#039;s willing to do it unpaid.  Why rag on that?

It costs Dana nothing to fill that spot with him.  Sure, it could blow up big for Dana.  It could also show Kimbo as the nobody that Dana referred to him as.  Ultimately, though, it&#039;s no different than putting Roy Nelson on the show.


If I&#039;m the opposing coach, I throw Roy Nelson at him first.  See how good his chin is, how good his ground game is, how good his conditioning is.  Worst case, one of the &quot;freak shows&quot; wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana said (and this a paraphrase) that the only way Kimbo would ever be in the UFC is if he fought his way in through TUF.  Now he&#8217;s going to try.</p>
<p>He wasn&#8217;t calling Kimbo&#8217;s foray into MMA a freak show, he was calling the hype that the Shaws built up the freak show.  He was unproven and his skills (even with Bas&#8217;s teaching) were subpar, and because of EXC&#8217;s hype he was portrayed as the best in MMA.  That was the freak show.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re probably going to bag on me for using this example, but it is appropriate.  If Kimbo had gone the Lashley route, starting in small, regional shows, actually working on his record and improving, we wouldn&#8217;t be having this discussion.  We are only having it because an unscrupulous promoter decided to make him out as a god when he was really a dog.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s been out of action and possibly training for nearly a year now.  He wants a chance to show that he&#8217;s improved as a fighter and he&#8217;s willing to do it unpaid.  Why rag on that?</p>
<p>It costs Dana nothing to fill that spot with him.  Sure, it could blow up big for Dana.  It could also show Kimbo as the nobody that Dana referred to him as.  Ultimately, though, it&#8217;s no different than putting Roy Nelson on the show.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m the opposing coach, I throw Roy Nelson at him first.  See how good his chin is, how good his ground game is, how good his conditioning is.  Worst case, one of the &#8220;freak shows&#8221; wins.</p>
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		<title>By: dbiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm...I doubt Fedor would sign up to fight unpaid on TUF since he won&#039;t sign up to fight in the UFC.  Nice straw man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm&#8230;I doubt Fedor would sign up to fight unpaid on TUF since he won&#8217;t sign up to fight in the UFC.  Nice straw man.</p>
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